BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: artbrooks
Date: 19 Oct 13 - 11:02 PM

Money is printed by the US Department of the Treasury, not by the Federal Reserve.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Oct 13 - 11:21 PM

President George Washington signed the act into law.

Look it up!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Oct 13 - 11:40 PM

I'm talking about the entire concept of a Federal Reserve System, not merely modifications within relatively recent history. The Federal Reserve System is a pretty old idea, going back to the beginning of the country.

Too subtle for the village idiot. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Oct 13 - 12:18 AM

Ok..... I looked it up...

"The Federal Reserve System (also known as the Federal Reserve, and informally as the Fed) is the central banking system of the United States. It was created on December 23, 1913, with the enactment of the Federal Reserve Act, largely in response to a series of financial panics, particularly a severe panic in 1907.[2][3][4][5][6][7] Over time, the roles and responsibilities of the Federal Reserve System have expanded and its structure has evolved.[3][8] Events such as the Great Depression were major factors leading to changes in the system.[9]

The U.S. Congress established three key objectives for monetary policy in the Federal Reserve Act: Maximum employment, stable prices, and moderate long-term interest rates.[10] The first two objectives are sometimes referred to as the Federal Reserve's dual mandate.[11] Its duties have expanded over the years, and today, according to official Federal Reserve documentation, include conducting the nation's monetary policy, supervising and regulating banking institutions, maintaining the stability of the financial system and providing financial services to depository institutions, the U.S. government, and foreign official institutions.[12] The Fed also conducts research into the economy and releases numerous publications, such as the Beige Book.

The Federal Reserve System's structure is composed of the presidentially appointed Board of Governors (or Federal Reserve Board), the Federal Open Market Committee (FOMC), twelve regional Federal Reserve Banks located in major cities throughout the nation, numerous privately owned U.S. member banks and various advisory councils.[13][14][15] The FOMC is the committee responsible for setting monetary policy and consists of all seven members of the Board of Governors and the twelve regional bank presidents, though only five bank presidents vote at any given time (the president of the New York Fed and four others who rotate through one-year terms). The Federal Reserve System has both private and public components, and was designed to serve the interests of both the general public and private bankers. The result is a structure that is considered unique among central banks. It is also unusual in that an entity outside of the central bank, namely the United States Department of the Treasury, creates the currency used.[16] According to the Board of Governors, the Federal Reserve System "is considered an independent central bank because its monetary policy decisions do not have to be approved by the President or anyone else in the executive or legislative branches of government, it does not receive funding appropriated by the Congress, and the terms of the members of the Board of Governors span multiple presidential and congressional terms."[17]

The authority of the Federal Reserve System is derived from statutes enacted by the U.S. Congress and the System is subject to congressional oversight. The members of the Board of Governors, including its chairman and vice-chairman, are chosen by the President and confirmed by the Senate. The government also exercises some control over the Federal Reserve by appointing and setting the salaries of the system's highest-level employees. Nationally chartered commercial banks are required to hold stock in the Federal Reserve Bank of their region; this entitles them to elect some of the members of the board of the regional Federal Reserve Bank. Thus the Federal Reserve system has both public and private aspects.[18][19][20][21] The U.S. Government receives all of the system's annual profits, after a statutory dividend of 6% on member banks' capital investment is paid, and an account surplus is maintained. In 2010, the Federal Reserve made a profit of $82 billion and transferred $79 billion to the U.S. Treasury.[22] This was followed at the end of 2011 with a transfer of $77 billion in profits to the U.S. Treasury Department.[23]"

Now you can put your tri-cornered tinfoil back on!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Oct 13 - 12:45 AM

The WHOLE story:

The History of the Federal Reserve System

Many people are surprised to learn that the Federal Reserve System is not the first U.S. central bank. Congress made two unsuccessful attempts at central banking before the Federal Reserve was established.

The System's earliest precursor, the First Bank of the United States, was established by Congress in 1791 on a 20-year charter, with the mandate to "manage the government's money and to regulate the nation's credit." The Bank acted as the government's fiscal agent, marketing its securities, holding its revenues, and paying its debts.

The federal government maintained partial control of the Bank, but it was led primarily by private investors. The Bank's main office was located in Philadelphia and its branches were concentrated in large northeastern cities.

The Bank successfully carried out its mandate, but met with considerable opposition. Some Americans feared the Bank because of its size. Some believed it was dominated by narrowly defined private interests. And some criticized its geographic concentration. Congress narrowly defeated the re-chartering of the Bank in 1811.

A number of problems quickly surfaced when the U.S. economy operated without a central bank:
1.◾There was no agency to regulate banking and credit.
2.◾Many private banks began issuing their own currency, but the value of these notes was not strictly controlled, nor was this money uniformly accepted.
3.◾The availability of currency varied widely by region.
4.◾The government lacked a reliable mechanism for marketing its securities and a reliable institution to provide it with banking services.

Four years of bank runs and other economic disruptions convinced Congress that the country needed a central bank, and the Second Bank of the United States was chartered in 1816. Much like its predecessor, the Second Bank was predominantly private ownership and its governance was geographically centralized. Many Americans also viewed this Bank, in the words of then-President Andrew Jackson, as "a concentration of power in the hands of a few men irresponsible to the people." When its charter expired in 1836, the Second Bank of the United States ceased its role as America's central bank.

Again, the country was plagued with a hodgepodge of private currencies issued by commercial banks. Although Congress passed a number of acts aimed at restoring balance to the nation's financial system, the U.S. economy suffered the shocks of bank panics and failures. Following a severe bank panic in 1907, Congress created the National Monetary Commission to study the nation's money and banking system and to recommend changes.

After much debate, Congress passed the Federal Reserve Act, which President Woodrow Wilson signed into law in December 1913. The act established the Federal Reserve Banks, whose purpose would be to furnish an elastic currency for the country and to establish more effective banking supervision. The System was specifically designed to be insulated from short-term political pressures, to be a partnership of public and private control, and to represent regional economies and various sectors of the economy.

End of discussion.Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Oct 13 - 01:00 AM

End of discussion????

No..the Federal Reserve System is NOT the same as the original bank..as your post clearly shows.. It was a concoction made up by and for the bankers under the guise of 'stabilizing' the monetary system, for a 'slight fee' I may add. They also refuse to be audited, as I posted the actual videos of the hearings, to Bobert, about two years ago...and guess what?..at the time the Democrats were leading the charge, along with Ron Paul.

Yes, we USED to have a central bank..but it was NOT the 'Federal Reserve' nor the 'Federal Reserve System'.

You should think of retiring from the 'political activist' career, and go into bond trading and stocks....you could make a fortune from getting Stetson and Alcoa to merge, so you could sell stocks to all the other 'clients' who believe your spin doctoring!

GfS

P.S. Do you think spin doctoring could be covered by Obamacare????

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Oct 13 - 01:07 AM

I'm going to stop wasting my time trying to educate YOU and spend more time on political activism.

You'ld better stay out of the political activism part of it. With your lack of knowledge and no sense of history, you'ld just screw things up.

Nighty night.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Oct 13 - 01:18 AM

Firth: "With your lack of knowledge and no sense of history, you'ld just screw things up."

Yeah, TRUTH tends to do that to you!!

GfS

P.S. You've seemed to have a history problematic with the origins of things...and if you don't like them, you just adopt a notion that either appeals to you, or you just make up!
Anything else come to mind????

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 20 Oct 13 - 06:48 AM

""Americans are less educated now, and most don't see the danger of centralized banking.""

Us Brits have had a central bank for nearly 320 years, and it took your decentralised pirates, playing fast and loose with your economy, for their personal gain, to plunge the US, UK and most of the world into the worst recession for 84 years.

Now, you were saying?

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Oct 13 - 06:14 PM

Well Don, I think you are wonderfully correct!...Don't leave out the fact that the Bank of London was/is complicit as well.

As you may have surmised by past posts of mine, my contention is those same bankers have control of our media and most our politicians, both parties, as well....

It's their 'job' to keep the populace ignorant to what they've been up to, and doing.

They do that through the media, and both political parties....
....and some of their, 'causes to be concerned about' are PURE nonsense!

...(but the goal is to keep the people emotionally charged over things that they control)

You see it all over here as well......

Have you ever been so 'emotionally charged' that you couldn't think straight?

I bet you know 'others' that have....

(It's 'always' THOSE 'other guys')......

GfS

P.S. Don't gulp so loud..I could hear you from here!

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Oct 13 - 07:46 PM

Less Ludwig von Mises.

More John Maynard Kenyes.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 20 Oct 13 - 09:23 PM

Revealed: How GPs are paid £50 bonus to put elderly on 'death lists'

GPs paid to draw up 'end-of-life advanced care plans'

Documents seen by Mail on Sunday say 'key objective' is 'reducing healthcare costs'

Every death outside of hospital saves the NHS almost £1,000

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2468112/Revealed-How-GPs-paid-50-bonus-elderly-death-lists.html

This shit system is the template for Obamacare.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Oct 13 - 09:48 PM

Perhaps someone from the U.K. can verify this, but I take it, from the above example, that the Mail is the British equivalent of out "National Enquirer," a tabloid for sale at supermarket checkout stands, with such headlines as "Oprah Winfrey has alien baby!!" and "bin Laden alive and living at the White House!"

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Oct 13 - 09:50 PM

Less wishful thinking (delusional), turned political...

More straightforward fact in spite of political.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Oct 13 - 06:52 PM

Straight scoop:   CLICKY.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Oct 13 - 07:07 PM

MORE STRAIGHT SCOOP.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 21 Oct 13 - 08:02 PM

Obama had a pep rally for Obamacare in the rose garden today. Bunch of people behind him, and one nearly passed out. There's the future of health care in America. Obama will keep his golf courses open during the faked "shutdowns" and tell us we're fine while we drop like flies.

And then there's this:

Top Senate Democrat backs Medicare, Social Security cuts

The number two Democrat in the US Senate called Sunday for urgent action to reduce future federal spending on Social Security and Medicare. "If we don't focus on health care and dealing with the entitlements," Senator Dick Durbin warned, "the baby boom generation is going to blow away our future."

Durbin appeared on Fox News Sunday to deliver his right-wing message, blaming the mounting federal deficit on the older generation of working people, not on the impact of the Wall Street financial crash, tax cuts for the wealthy, or the vast cost of American imperialism's wars.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/10/21/budg-o21.html

So, is that the position of the Democratic party now, that our economic problems are on account of the babyboomers? Fuckers have barely started retiring. Obama will DOUBLE the debt that we had when he came into office (that's double the debt the entire country accumulated in our entire history), and there's plenty of money to funnel to the banks, but there's none to fund Medicare and Social Security? Since when did the Koch brothers start calling the shots for the Democratic party?

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 03:26 AM

> Perhaps someone from the U.K. can verify this, but I take it, from the above example, that the Mail is the British equivalent of out
> "National Enquirer," a tabloid for sale at supermarket checkout stands, with such headlines as "Oprah Winfrey has alien baby!!" and
> "bin Laden alive and living at the White House!"

Pretty much - Yes. Editoral staff known to be on extremity of right wing of just about main stream politics and um .. to have no real concern or consideration for the realities or practicalities of what they propose (hey - it sells copy!)

Known as 'Daily Fail' for getting stuff spectacularly wrong and for both the highly inventive use of and complete disregard of real statistics. comments pages on their articles are frequently used as a viewing pen for total loons. Tea Party would very much see it as their spiritual home

Seeing articles used as references makes us giggle .. and despair.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 09:57 AM

as a state worker I can join the union and my health care is similiar to that of the federal employees...

so instead of reading bs from fear mongers, why not check out comments made to the ARRP site such as this one:

I'm a retired Postal Worker and I am under the Federal Employee Health Benefit program also. This is almost exactly what President Obama was trying to get for all Americans but was prevented from doing so by the Republicans. The government negotiates with many insurance companies on coverage and rates. Then the people have the choice to pick a coverage plan or rate that best suits them. The government pays a portion and the individual pays a portion. I go to my regular doctor, my regular hospital, specialists referred by my doctor, have prescription benefits, etc. All by choosing from many insurance companies. Also I am not punished for "pre-existing" conditions. And every year, I can change plans if I choose without any penalty. This is what every American should have. This is what President Obama wants for the American people.

The President wants the same coverage as the members of Congress enjoy... I don't see any of the Tea Party rejecting their health coverage... that is supposedly so bad for the nation. Hypocrites to the bitter end.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 10:15 AM

here is a website that does a comparison between what is "good enough" for the average Amercian, as opposed to Congress who is supposed to work for all Americans... the guys that pay their saleries and perks - other than what seems to come from special interests who need to remain anomymous.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 10:32 AM

and now... the link...

http://www.bankrate.com/finance/retirement/retirement-benefits-congress-vs-you.aspx

new computer is taking some getting used to... lol techno-klutz

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 02:19 PM

Thanks, GUEST, for verifying my impression of the Daily Mail.

Almost all of Songwronger's "sources" are of about the same general quality and veracity.

Pehaps he should seriously contemplate a remark made by Abraham Lincoln:

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt!"

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 03:11 PM

Don, it's no use... trying to open a closed mind is often a waste of effort.

Yesterday I was at my chiropractor & the receptionist there is in 100% agreement with the 'wronger. She even went so far as to disparage democracy... it obviously let her down by "allowing" the election of our President.

It would problably take a burning bush or other "miracle" to penetrate that kind of entrenched attitude - can't call it thinking, because they do not want to be distracted from their opinions by anything like even handed examination. They seek only affirmation of their dogmatic stance.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 03:43 PM

"Obama had a pep rally for Obamacare in the rose garden today. Bunch of people behind him, and one nearly passed out. "

Right... and she admits she was pregnant .....and dehydrated **due to her own worry about not needed to pee during the ceremony!**

Did YOU see the video of Obama helping her.

She is fine... and it had **NOTHING** to due with ObamaCare.


Don't you have anything to do beyond writing talking points for Louie Gohmert?

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 04:08 PM

Agreed, sciencegeek.

The only reason I answer someone like Songwronger is not necessarily to answer him. But he seems to operate on the Hitlerian idea that "If you repeat a lie big enough and often enough, people will begin to believe it." By rebutting him by exposing the spurious nature of his sources, I hope to show what Songwronger and his cohorts (like Goofball) are up to, and not to be naïve enough to fall for it.

I have a relative who listens to Rush Limbaugh and Fox News and swallows their garbage whole. With him, I just avoid any kind of political discussion. He's hopeless!!

And a friend of ours who lives down the street who is absolutely convinced that President Obama is spying on her. She's see "drones" hovering outside her window (I've noticed that she goes absolutely cock-eyed about this in seasons when hummingbirds abound, and she does have a garden outside her window). It occurs to me that it would be a total waste of time, money, and resources to keep her under surveillance because, other than being totally crackers, she's essentially harmless. I don't argue with her either, because it would be fruitless and she'd just start to suspect me of being in on Obama's plot to spy on her.

No, Songwronger, Goofball, and a couple of others are too far down the road to conspiracy theories based on their own paranoia and bigotry to save, so no point in even trying.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 07:32 PM

So the Daily Mail is not to be trusted? What about the story below, from the Daily Mail? Lots of names, places and dates that can be verified from other sources. Is the story bullshit?:

Bombshell: Federal judge suddenly green-lights lawsuit that could stop Obamacare in its tracks

•Small-business plaintiffs say the government is treating all 50 states the same even though Congress allowed them to opt out – and 36 did

•The IRS is granting insurance subsidies to taxpayers in the 'refusenik' states, even though the text of the Obamacare law doesn't allow it

•A federal judge denied the government's motion to dismiss the case on Tuesday

•He also refused, however, to issue an injunction barring the Obama administration from implementing the law while the case moves forward

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2471978/Bombshell-Federal-judge-suddenly-green-lights-lawsuit-stop-Obamacare-tracks.html

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 08:38 PM

The Daily Mail is about as trustworthy as the National Enquirer. And Songwronger, if you believe anything written by David Martosko, then I have this bridge I'd like to sell you. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 09:41 PM

So the federal judge DIDN'T do this? The story is made up? Please explain how it's not true.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 22 Oct 13 - 10:56 PM

"He (the judge) also refused, however, to issue an injunction barring the Obama administration from implementing the law while the case moves forward."

The game isn't over 'til it's over. Ho hum. Much Ado about Nothing.

By the way, that's a federal judge, NOT a Supreme Court judge.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 23 Oct 13 - 12:19 AM

Yes. That's what the headline says, a federal judge. Your powers of observation amaze me, Holmes. When you eliminate the dog that didn't bark, no matter how unlikely, the obvious must be the answer.

And we all know how the supreme court will rule on any Obamacrap case. Chief Justice Roberts already squeezed the thing out on the country with his insane and illegal "It's not a penalty, it's a tax" decision. He's going to hang beside Obama and the rest when we have our Nuremburg trials. Roberts literally fled to Malta after issuing the Obamacare decision. He expected the noose back then.

Obamacare is a banking scam, and all 3 branches of our federal government have sold out to the banks.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 23 Oct 13 - 02:48 AM

Firth: "The Daily Mail is about as trustworthy as the National Enquirer. And Songwronger, if you believe anything written by David Martosko, then I have this bridge I'd like to sell you. . . ."

Are you STILL trying to sell that bridge????

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Brian Peters
Date: 23 Oct 13 - 06:49 AM

The Daily Mail?! (retires to wipe away tears of mirth)

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Oct 13 - 04:33 PM

""Well Don, I think you are wonderfully correct!...Don't leave out the fact that the Bank of London was/is complicit as well.""

It's the Bank of England Goofus, and if you knew anything about it, you would know that it was the investment side of the commercial banks which were involved.

Whatever, it was the piratical stupidity of the largest US banks which started the dominoes falling.

Pehaps, if the US had a central bank, that might not have happened.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 23 Oct 13 - 04:51 PM

""Perhaps someone from the U.K. can verify this, but I take it, from the above example, that the Mail is the British equivalent of out "National Enquirer," a tabloid for sale at supermarket checkout stands, with such headlines as "Oprah Winfrey has alien baby!!" and "bin Laden alive and living at the White House!""

To say that the Daily Mail is a scurrilous rag, which is ignored by almost everyone with an IQ exceeding his/her collar size, would amount to flattery.

The only thing which would justify its purchase would be perforations and the printed legend on the edges "Now wash you hands"

The item referred to, is in truth a highly desirable accedence to the wishes of the terminally ill and their families, not to be forced to remain in hospital and undergo heroic intervention to prolongue life without quality of life.

They are not chosen by doctors for "death lists, but supported in their desire to die in their own homes with dignity.

Shitstirrer has got it arse about face as usual.

And Obamacare is nothing like the NHS. It is however the best that the likes of Shitstirrer and his Tea Party heroes would allow.

If it were like the NHS, Americans would be paying one tenth of their current medical costs.

Don T

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Oct 13 - 05:11 PM

And in terms of health care, the U.S. would be joining the rest of the civilized world.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Brian Peters
Date: 23 Oct 13 - 08:01 PM

'Scurrilous rag' isn't far off IMO, but be aware that the Mail is one of our most successesful papers, and is considered in some quarters a respectable publication. Also be aware, however, that it's standard daily fare is scaremongering about immigrants and foreigners in general, climate change denial, etc., and that it's own readers overwhelmingly considered a recent smear campaign against the dead father of the leader of the parliamentray opposition to have been in poor taste. Not that ,the Mail apologized.   It makes no secret of its rightwing bias, regularly peddles bogus data, and is certainly not a quotable source of reliable information.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 23 Oct 13 - 11:24 PM

Got that, Songwronger?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 24 Oct 13 - 06:24 PM

https://data.healthcare.gov/dataset/QHP-Individual-Medical-Landscape/ba45-xusy

That's the only state by state breakdown I've seen. It shows the premiums but not the co-pays and deductibles.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Elmore
Date: 24 Oct 13 - 07:15 PM

What's all the fuss about? President Clinton will fix this when she takes office, preferably with a single payer clause to remove the profit motive from health care which is every person's right.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Oct 13 - 07:40 PM

That chart, which is about as useful as tits on a boar, doesn't even show Washington State.

My wife and I are already covered. Medicare Advantage, which we've had for some time. Very nominal premium. I'll keep checking, but I'm told that we don't have to do anything.

Yeah. Hilary will get this thing sorted out. Bill had her put together a health care plan while he was in office, and she put forth a darned good one.

But, of course, the Republicans shat all over it.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 24 Oct 13 - 09:23 PM

People like you keep shit sandwiches on Obama's bill of fare, Firth:

"[T]he cancellation notices, which began arriving in August, have shocked many consumers in light of President Barack Obama's promise that people could keep their plans if they liked them," according to Kaiser Health News reporters Anna Gorman and Julie Appleby.

"Florida Blue, for example, is terminating about 300,000 policies, about 80 percent of its individual policies in the state. Kaiser Permanente in California has sent notices to 160,000 people – about half of its individual business in the state. Insurer Highmark in Pittsburgh is dropping about 20 percent of its individual market customers, while Independence Blue Cross, the major insurer in Philadelphia, is dropping about 45 percent," Kaiser reports. "Blue Shield of California sent roughly 119,000 cancellation notices out in mid-September, about 60 percent of its individual business. About two-thirds of those policyholders will see rate increases in their new policies, said spokesman Steve Shivinsky."

President Obama and top Democrats promised that costs would go down for everyone.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/millions-americans-are-losing-their-health-plans-because-obamacare_764602.html

I bet you take a side order of jism with your sandwiches, Firth. I also bet that your health insurance coverage will have tripled in cost by this time next year.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Oct 13 - 10:26 PM

Another of Songwronger's conservative (Right Wing) sources of "information":    CLICKY.

Well, Songwronger, I notice that you have a whole string of degrees. B.S., M.S., and PhD.

Now, we all know what B.S. stands for. M.S. stands for More of Same and PhD stands for Piled higher and Deeper.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Oct 13 - 12:55 AM

He's still looking for more buyers for that bridge....so blame the source...maybe he'll get enough that he could auction it to them!
Hey Firth, the story is beginning to be carried by a LOT of YOU favorite brain-dead sources to.....it's getting too big to hide...
Sorry it's not working out...
OK..now you can start calling us names...cuz' that's all you got!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Oct 13 - 01:02 AM

From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Oct 13 - 12:55 AM

Clarification:

He's still looking for more buyers for that bridge....so blame the source...maybe he'll get enough buyers that he could auction it to them!
Hey Firth, the story is beginning to be carried by a LOT of YOUR favorite brain-dead sources too.....it's getting too big to hide...
Sorry it's not working out...
OK..now you can start calling us names...cuz' that's all you got!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Oct 13 - 01:28 AM

(I think I hear my neighbor's stupid little Yorkshire terrier yapping his head off again.)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Oct 13 - 01:33 AM

Good!..Maybe she'll give you the latest news!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Oct 13 - 01:38 AM

Sounds like 'political activists' spouting 'equal rights' based on bad science....well at least that describes 'yapping'...

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Oct 13 - 01:58 AM

Go to bed and rest up, Goofball. You're dizzy from sniffing Songwronger's butt.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 25 Oct 13 - 02:39 AM

Where did you get THAT one??..from your friends????
Seems that they are pretty delirious for doing it...and you call it love!!!???!!!

But that's ol' Donald!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 25 Oct 13 - 02:27 PM

No, I figure that those genes you're so afraid of will cause you to lapse from time to time. You're obviously madly in love with Songwronger.

Don't you feel sort of constrained in that closet?

Don Firth