BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 11:41 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 11:40 PM

ObamaCare's Troubles Are Only Beginning

The White House is claiming that the Healthcare.gov website is mostly fixed, that the millions of Americans whose health plans were canceled thanks to government rules may be able to keep them for another year, and that in any event these people will get better plans through ObamaCare exchanges. Whatever the truth of these assertions, those who expect better days ahead for the Affordable Care Act are in for a rude awakening. The shocks—economic and political—will get much worse next year and beyond. Here's why:

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304403804579260603531505102

And GfS is right about Obamacare being on Obama and his party. They controlled the whole process, and it's their baby. It was an engineered disaster, too--America's health care system got worse and the insurance companies got more money. Thank you, President Obama.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 09:38 PM

How come I don't know anyone who is having any trouble with the new system? I also know a few people who will be paying less for health insurance because they found out that their previous insurance company was ripping them off.

Thank you, President Obama.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 07:41 PM

Oh, and Pee Ess....they even give you the opportunity to post all your personal info online for their hacker friends....must be a pay-off to than wing of the 'organization.....

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 07:39 PM

"The battle for single-payer health care is not over, but due to President Obama, progress has been made."

Yeah he got a few of his assigned crony insurance CEO's hopes up, for the time being....
They got a law that the government forces people to buy their 'insurance'..for more money, got the people to pay for shit they don't want, use or need....raised the prices by an average of 42%, increased the deductibles to and average of $6800/year, so the threshold is real high...keeping the insurers from having to pay much, if any for the average 'customer'...increases the co-payments to big pharma...and fines you penalties if you don't pay up!...Shit, and then they got you to thank him for it...and defend it all too boot!!


Ever heard of the 'protection racket'???????????????
It's big in Chicago...........

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 01:37 PM

Yes. It wasn't what he wanted, but it was a step in the right direction and better than nothing.

The battle for single-payer health care is not over, but due to President Obama, progress has been made.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 01:15 PM

...and you think that would have survived a Presidential veto??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 01:00 PM

When the MODIFIED, COMPROMISED version was passed by Congress.

IF anyone is cobbling the facts, it's YOU!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Dec 13 - 11:23 AM

I think you are the one screwed up here....when Obamacare passed, the Democrats had a clear majority in BOTH houses of Congress. No Republicans could block it, nor no Republicans voted for it, but it still passed because there were not enough Republican votes to block it at all. What are you talking about???
There were however two Democrat holdouts toward the end, that finally voted FOR it...if they got waivers for their states....which, BTW, were reneged on.....but the 'Republican obstruction' talking point was just that...a talking point....it never happened.....or they would have done it.
Go back and check your news source.....unless this is just another one of your attempts to re-write history, to fit the talking point(read: propaganda)

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 05:19 PM

That's not what happened, you moron!

I SAID, that Obama would have preferred a single-payer plan, but he know he'd never get it through Congress. So he had to come up with something he thought he might get through, but it, too, ran into a wall.

What finally came through is a very screwed-up version of what Obama wanted, but it's better than no plan at all.

You ARE a total butthead!! Over and out!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 04:52 PM

Firth: "It helps if you pay attention, Goofup."

Back to you!....Nobody could have obstructed it...it was passed by both houses DEMOCRATICALLY held!

(now who is the idiot?)

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 02:36 PM

Firth: "I do like the single-payer plan. But President Obama knew darned well that he would run into a Right-Wing stone wall if he tried to get it through. So he tried to put together a compromise plan that he hoped might pass."

Well now, you know that that is not true. When Obamacare passed, the Democrats has the majority in the House and Senate, and they passed it. Who was going to 'obstruct' it??...All the Democrats that voted for it???

So that bit of 'talking point' rhetoric is rubbish....try again.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 02:01 PM

No, still have a whole bunch of names for you. You are an IDIOT!

How does that grab you?


I do like the single-payer plan. But President Obama knew darned well that he would run into a Right-Wing stone wall if he tried to get it through. So he tried to put together a compromise plan that he hoped might pass.

But, no!

It seems that anything Obama attempts is going to be opposed by the same obstructionists, who don't give a bloody damn about the American people, they just want to scuttle anything Obama attempts.

In case it hasn't occurred to you, these same Philistines would have done the same thing to Dennis Kucinich.

It helps if you pay attention, Goofup.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 11:15 AM

No response, Don? Ran out of names to call?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 07:26 PM

I thought you liked the single payer plan.....Obamacare is not a single payer plan...

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 04:34 PM

Good! That should be quite soon, now!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 04:26 PM

Okay...as soon as 'my Obamacare' kicks in!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 01:21 PM

Go play on the freeway, Goofup.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 01:58 AM

Why not??..You do!....but you got him one better......you can talk out of both sides of your mouth while talking out you ass at the same time.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 01:28 AM

Following Politfact "Lie of the Year" award, a reader comments:

"Why would a president, or anyone for that matter, lie about something that is prescribed by law? They would not. Obama was mistaken, or perhaps guilty of not qualifying his remarks, regarding the grandfather clause of Obamacare. A mistake is not a lie and for that Politifact should set their own pants on fire."

Agreed!

Interesting to note that when I cited Snopes to refute Songwronger's claim that Obama plotted to set off several nuclear bombs over the U.S. and convince the American public that the resultant power failure due to the electromagnetic pulse (EMP) knocking out the electrical grid was caused by a change in magnetic fields on the sun, Songwronger attacked the fact-checking cites as all biased and Liberal.

Could it be that Songwronger is talking out of both sides of his mouth?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Sawzaw
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 01:03 AM

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-12/vermont-s-obamacare-problem.html

Almost 10 percent of the population of Vermont needs to sign up for insurance in the first three weeks of December, just to avoid losing coverage. Fortunately, Vermont is a small state, so that's a small number -- fewer than 60,000 people. The bad news is that Vermont's exchanges haven't been working too well. The governor has belatedly unveiled contingency plans: Individuals can extend their 2013 coverage for three months, and small businesses can sign up directly with a carrier. So hopefully, most people won't actually lose coverage. Nonetheless, for the state of Vermont, 2.5 percent of its population signed up represents a disastrous failure, not a roaring success. That figure means the state hasn't even managed to sign up the people who already had insurance, much less cover anyone new. And if it can't get things working better by March, when those temporary renewals expire, then Green Mountain Care will have resulted in a net loss of insurance coverage for the state.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/03/study-obamacare-spikes-young-peoples-health-insurance-costs/

A healthy 30-year-old would see his health insurance costs rise in all 50 states and the District of Columbia.

Premium increases vary by state. The biggest increase is in Vermont, where young people will face a $332, or 600 percent, increase in insurance costs.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 13 Dec 13 - 10:32 PM

Politifact awards 'Lie of the Year' to Obama

The fact-checking Web site Politifact has named President Obama's claim that people could keep their health insurance plans if they liked them its "Lie of the Year."

Obama in recent years has repeated some variation of the following phrase: "If you like your health-care plan, you can keep it." The problem was, it wasn't true...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/12/12/politifact-awards-lie-of-the-year-to-obama/

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Nov 13 - 07:30 PM

Obamacare Then, the Affordable Care Act Now

Great video. About a minute long. Compilation of clips, Obama and lots of other Democrats calling his insurance scam "Obamacare," then the Big Lie, then the effort to re-cast the fiasco as "the Affordable Care Act." Obama was downright tickled to have the thing named after him, but then he had to go and lie.

Look at the whore Pelosi call it Obamacare before she says she's always called it the Affordable Care Act.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 21 Nov 13 - 11:10 AM

"A true reform of the health care system in the US would provide universal access to high-quality medical care. It would train thousands of new doctors, nurses and other health care professionals. It would dedicate billions of dollars to research into the prevention and eradication of disease. It would improve the quality of life and extend life expectancy in line with the advances in medical technology."

Find one Repug senator or Congressman who would vote FOR that.

OBAMA WOULD, and most Democrat senators or Congressmen, only they wouldn't get it past the Republican stone wall. So the had to take ROMNEYCARE, and lump it. So you got ROMNEYCARE,.....Live with it!

As for the Pavlich dame, she seems to be earning very nicely out of anti Obama books she wrote, so an extra lie about him is just more bucks in the bank.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 20 Nov 13 - 09:52 PM

From the World Socialist Website:

Obamacare exposed: The gutting of health care for workers

The Affordable Care Act (ACA), Barack Obama's signature domestic policy, is being exposed on a daily basis as a counter-reform aimed at a restructuring of the US health care system in the interests of big business. The president's repeated claim that the law will provide access to affordable, quality health care for the American people is a calculated lie.

A true reform of the health care system in the US would provide universal access to high-quality medical care. It would train thousands of new doctors, nurses and other health care professionals. It would dedicate billions of dollars to research into the prevention and eradication of disease. It would improve the quality of life and extend life expectancy in line with the advances in medical technology.

The health care overhaul commonly known as Obamacare will do none of these things. It will do the exact opposite by deepening the class divide when it comes to the provision of health care in America. The ACA will cut costs dramatically for employers and the government while reducing and rationing medical services for millions of ordinary people—while boosting the profits of the health care industry....

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/11/20/pers-n20.html


A google search of "Obama Pathological Liar." Articles from just the last couple of weeks:

SCARY: Serial Liar Obama Does Not Believe He Misled On O-Care ...

Pathological liar: Obama denies his repeated 'you can keep it ...

The Perpetual, Pathological Lying of Barack Obama : Freedom ...

Obama's Tsunami of Lies - Canada Free Press

How Obama went from bulls–t to dishonesty | New York Post ...

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 16 Nov 13 - 10:42 AM

"Obama just played his 150th round of golf while president."

About once a fortnight!

Is a president not allowed a break once a fortnight.

You are coming over as a rabid lunatic!

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: sciencegeek
Date: 16 Nov 13 - 08:10 AM

let's address these points:

1.You don't HAVE to have a health care plan under Obamacare. You can opt out and pay the penalty.

RESPONSE - If you do not choose a plan, and could afford a plan, you are charged a fee through your income taxes. There is an entire page of exemptions to this rule. http://www.healthinsurancegov.com/exemptions

Reasoning behind this clause - When someone without health coverage gets urgent—often expensive—medical care but doesn't pay the bill, everyone else ends up paying the price.

That's why the health care law requires all people WHO CAN AFFORD IT to take responsibility for their own health insurance by getting coverage or paying a fee.

People without health coverage who pay the penalty will also have to pay the entire cost of all their medical care. They won't be protected from the kind of very high medical bills that can sometimes lead to bankruptcy. It protects the rest of us from deadbeats.

2. Tens of millions of young just won't carry insurance.
RESPONSE - Yeah, because until they turn 27 they can be covered under their PARENT"S PLAN. Which they (the parents) will have.

3. And millions of elderly will be able to carry only the most basic coverage, with stiff out of pocket costs each year. They will be bankrupted.

RESPONSE - once they turn 65 they qualify for Medicare and it would not be that hard to lower the age limit to 62.

Also, the lower income elderly qualify for assistance in paying the insurance bill.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Nov 13 - 10:19 PM

Songwronger, my wife and I have very good health care coverage at a quite modest cost. The premiums are nothing we can handle easily, and we are not wealthy.

I have already checked and we will be able to keep it—as is—under the ACA.

What planet are you on, anyway?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 15 Nov 13 - 08:10 PM

You don't HAVE to have a health care plan under Obamacare. You can opt out and pay the penalty. Tens of millions of young just won't carry insurance. And millions of elderly will be able to carry only the most basic coverage, with stiff out of pocket costs each year. They will be bankrupted.

Obama just played his 150th round of golf while president. Do you think he gives a damn about your health? Obamacare is about shoveling money to Wall Street and genocide.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Nov 13 - 08:09 PM

Millions of Americans will be killed off ...

Fuck off, lunatic.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 15 Nov 13 - 06:51 PM

""No, this is the greatest lie in the history of American politics. Millions of Americans will be killed off due to lack of medical treatment because of Obama's lies about Obamacare.""

Absolute crap! Under Bush 47 million citizens had no health care other than ER. Didn't hear a peep from you then.

If just ten thousand more have health care than when Obama was first elected, it'll be ten thousand more than the Repugs have managed, and they still intend to take the country to default in the new year, and return the figure to 47 million again.

Impressive!.........NOT!

T

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Nov 13 - 06:35 PM

My my, how he does go on!

By the way, what ever happened to those food riots that were supposed to have happened on the first of this month?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 15 Nov 13 - 06:24 PM

Obama Issues Veto Threat for "Keep Your Plan" Legislation

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 15 Nov 13 - 06:21 PM

No, this is the greatest lie in the history of American politics. Millions of Americans will be killed off due to lack of medical treatment because of Obama's lies about Obamacare. This is flat-out genocide against the American people, whom he hates. This is the most massive lie ever told by a president (public lie, at least). This is WMD times ten. Watergate times a million.

A recap and an update:

Obamacare passed and Obama signed it.

Obama then spent three months narrowing the definition of the term "grandfather clause" contained in the law. At the end of three months, it was narrowed to the point where over 100 million Americans stood to lose their insurance.

Obama began pushing Obamacare. He stated hundreds of times that "If you like the insurance plan you have, you can keep the plan you have."

Now it's been revealed that you can't keep your plan. In 3 weeks or so over 5 million Americans have had their insurance policies cancelled.

Obama tried to do damage control and lied about his lie. He said he made it clear that everyone's plan would have to meet certain criteria. He never. Liar, liar. He won a Pinnochio award and a Pants of Fire award from different organizations.

Then he apologized. He said he was "sorry" that we don't approve of his lies.

And now, he has issued a veto threat against the Keep Your Plan Act. Congress wants to make sure Americans can keep their insurance plans if they like them (something Obama said was OK, period), so now they're set to vote on a bill that would allow us to keep our plans. AND OBAMA SAYS HE WILL VETO IT!

That's right--Obama is now saying he will veto a law that is designed to make him keep his word.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 15 Nov 13 - 03:23 PM

Well, Don... you get an A for effort...

but since the buzz word for Nobody is "the President lied", I have to ask... where was he when weapons of mass destruction was bandied about and used to justify the debacle in Iraq?? ... and not just in the USA. That's the more egregious lie in my book, and we have a body count in the tens of thousands directly tied to that lie.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Nov 13 - 03:13 PM

[One more attempt, sciencegeek, to get through to—well—Nobody.]

Because, Nobody, the American political system is not anywhere near as simple and "cut-and-dried" as you seem to think it is.

If President Obama had put forth a single-payer plan in the first place, ALL of the Republicans and, unfortunately, a substantial number of Democrats would have voted it down. The epithet, "Socialize Medicine" would have been the war-cry of the plan's opponents—as has been the case any time a similar plan has been put forward (and I can remember several attempts over the past decades)—and this would have sufficiently intimidated many Democrats into voting against it, fearful of what many of their constituents would think of their voting for ANY "Socialist" measure, just to keep themselves "safe" for the next election.

I did NOT say (as Nobody claims it did) that single-payer health care was the "goal" of the ACA. I said that it was a step in the right direction. To get to a single payer plan would require much, much more work than is involved in just the ACA.

Learn to read more carefully and be a lot more precise, Nobody.

Yes, I agree that someone is being fooled here. You are fool yourself into believing you know more about the subtleties and the ins-and-outs of the labyrinth of American politics than you think you do.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Nobody in Particular
Date: 15 Nov 13 - 01:19 PM

I'm sorry. I posted the last post and left out a comment to 'Guest'. You said, "1. The Affordable Care Act (there's no such thing as Obamacare) is a Democrat Bill, so they do know what's in it. Not what they wanted in it, but all they could get when they cannot get a majority against the 40% of Repubs. The stupid reasoning behind US so-called democracy alows a 40% tail to wag the 60% dog."

You've either distorted the facts or re-wrote a bit of history here. With all due respect, when the bill was passed by both Houses of Congress, there was a Democratic majority in both. The rolls have now changed since the last election, due in part to the public's re-action to 'Obama Care' but your 60/40 analogy just simply was not the case when this was voted on. That being the case, why in the world didn't they vote for a single payer plan ORIGINALLY as Mr. Firth suggests was the goal of the 'plan' all along??
As so far as the Democrats all knew what was in it, No they didn't, rather only what they were told. Are you ignoring Speaker Pelosi's now famous comment right before the vote was passed? "We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it."

'Guest', don't get upset, but you stand corrected.

Somebody is conning somebody here, and somebody is being fooled, wouldn't you agree, Mr Firth?

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Nobody in Particular
Date: 15 Nov 13 - 12:44 PM

Anybody who lies, distorts, misinforms, twists, spins, manipulates and then resorts to defaming other's character by name calling, slanderous remarks, and false accusations, ALWAYS LOSES because it is just a matter of time before the truth comes out and when it does the foolish behaviour of the one who employs such tactics is revealed for what it is, and when that is revealed then the employer of such tactics is also revealed as a fool!

That was simple. That was so simple that even a simpleton could understand it. Were you able to get it?

Meanwhile after reviewing this thread I still did not criticise the bill but merely voice disapproval of the lies surrounding it. Lies that you not only approve of but have repeated. This is foolishness. Only a fool would disagree.

Wouldn't you be shocked if the Republicans offering a 'fix' decide to enter a bill for a single payer plan? Though I don't think so much that they would, it would not surprise me.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 15 Nov 13 - 08:40 AM

tsk, tsk.... now, Don, remember about scratching....

it may feel good for the moment, but hinders rather than helps. Ignore the idiotic posts and concentrate on providing accurate & helpful information.

When my dad's drinking rendered his grey cells to "mush", he was equally irrational and his arguments - what he called being the devil's advocate- were disjointed rants. His best rejoinder was - don't interrupt me with facts. He no longer could care about reality, only what he wanted to believe.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Nov 13 - 06:57 AM

""Are you referring to the Congress who was in the majority of both Houses who voted on a bill along partisan lines that they didn't even bother to read? In that case, you are absolutely correct! If the Republicans do that(and they do) don't you scream bloody murder? (as you should). You really do need to apply the same standards to both sides, as I mentioned before.""

1. The Affordable Care Act (there's no such thing as Obamacare) is a Democrat Bill, so they do know what's in it. Not what they wanted in it, but all they could get when they cannot get a majority against the 40% of Repubs. The stupid reasoning behind US so-called democracy alows a 40% tail to wag the 60% dog.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Nov 13 - 07:58 PM

You are the liar here, Nobody. I'm fed up with your vicious attacks and massive hypocracy--criticizing others for not being civil. Look in the mirror!

What Greg said just above applies to you as well. Piss off!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Nobody in Particular
Date: 14 Nov 13 - 07:44 PM

Now Mr. Firth is saying I misread him. Another bold face lie! Here is what you said, "Nobody, you obviously deliberately misread what I wrote. I did NOT say that the ACA was a single payer health plan."

What you also said was, "Civilized countries have single payer health care systems. This is what President Obama was--is--trying to achieve, but is being stonewalled by a bunch of Fascists calling themselves "Republicans."

What I said in response to that was,"Mr. Firth has presented yet another crate. The ACA is NOT being presented as a 'single payer plan'. So that introduction of yet another plan is just more of the same misrepresentation that we are talking about. Are you all incapable of sticking to the subject with any continuity?"

Care to lie some more?

The rest of the posts are just more examples of what I already describe before when I said, "Now to all those on here who are vacantly repeating the President's 'assurances', you DO NOT know what is in the box(bill). You are just vacantly repeating what you've heard under the assumptions that it is consistent with a political ideal you MAY(?) have. You DON'T KNOW, and it has been withheld from you to know for sure!
Yet with such self assuredness you babble on and demean those who beg to differ.
In some cases, even condescendingly 'Pontificate' down your noses, when you don't even really know."

You lose


Again!

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Nov 13 - 07:01 PM

Piss off, ShitWringer.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Songwronger
Date: 14 Nov 13 - 06:16 PM

<.b>
Editorial Attacks America's 'Immaturity' for Anger Over Obamacare's Lies

...In a profound scolding, Cohen diagnoses America's "immaturity" as demonstrated by the backlash against President Barack Obama over to his oft-repeated and false claim that every American who was happy with their health insurance would be able to keep their health insurance.

This was never true. The president and his staff were aware this was not true as early as February, 2010. Some media outlets reported that, for millions of Americans, they would not be able to keep their insurance plans. But, for Cohen, it was a noble lie – one that Americans should accept. He contends that a "schizophrenic" public welcomes the radical reforms contained within the Affordable Care Act but selfishly balks at the prospect of breaking a few eggs to achieve this virtuous end....

http://patriotupdate.com/2013/11/editorial-attacks-americas-immaturity-anger-obamacares-lies/

So Cohen admits Obama lies, then blames US for not being more "mature" about the whole thing. Obama HAS to kill millions (sorry, break a few eggs) to help us in our woeful schizophrenia.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Nov 13 - 05:46 PM

All too true, Greg.

Among other "reforms" that Reagan made was that he cut funds for mental health, resulting in the closing of a lot of mental hospitals. This released a bunch of people onto the streets who simply were not able to care for themselves, and many of them seemed to have just disappeared.

My theory is that many of them joined the Republican Party and many of the more extreme cases formed the Tea Party.

And obviously, a few of them are posting here on Mudcat. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Nov 13 - 04:10 PM

Don & Geek, yer overlooking one essential point. Or pernt, as my Brooklyn grandmother would have said.

Your trying to engage in rational discussions with morons - the various morons here, and the millions of Moron-Americans who have no conception of what the ACA is, or what it does, and hate it anyway. All you need do is listen to the rabid bloviation on Faux "News"[sic] to readily see these ignorant assholes haven't the faintest grasp of fact.

A large proportion of the U.S - since Reagan began cutting education funds & the ensuing additional cuts since - - really HAS become Dumbfuckistan; facts and reality are irrelevant.

See Also Charles Pierce: Idiot America: How Stupidity Became a Virtue in the Land of the Free.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Nov 13 - 03:42 PM

Cross posted.

And right again, sciencegeek!!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Nov 13 - 03:25 PM

Right, sciencegeek. It's a waste of time to try to argue reality with people who's mind is locked in a single mindset.

Sort of like trying to argue sense to a couple marble statues of Beavis and Butthead.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 14 Nov 13 - 03:13 PM

found some interesting comments on the CNN website:

He should have gotten the insurance companies to offer identical policies with waivers on ACA constraints to those affected for perpetuity, and if these policies screwed the holders, so be it. Let the market deal with these people.
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They already have that option.. and MOST folks with insurance and in companies with less than 50 employees should not be NOT. What is not being addressed with all the hype going on is that the insurance companies are using ACA as an excuse to do what they have always done... make as much profit as LEGALLY possible while maximizing shareholder value on the backs on Americans.
I've said this before.. the system IS broken. The intent of ACA was good, the rollout horrendous. The GOP and TOP have made ACA their singular focus since it's inception – 42 failed (symbolic) attempts at repeal + a SCOTUS failure. They have spread as much misinformation about it as possible, blocked and tried to derail it's implementation at every turn, even shutting down the Federal Govt over it.
Why?
Those who believe in some altruistic empirical level that the GOP believes ACA is bad for America and it's economy needs to take a GOOD look at the fiscal and economic state of the USA when that same party handed the reins over to Obama. The only thing they are concerned with is getting back to power. They, nor the insurance companies have your interests at heart. If they did, we would have a bi-partisan working law in place. The right has nothing left to offer America at this point, except candidates rushing to out-conservative themselves. Look at the GOP's approval ratings. Most Americans are moderates and being ultra-conservative doesn't cut it for most of us.

Succeed or fail, at least the ACA was an attempt to provide affordable healthcare for all.

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 14 Nov 13 - 02:32 PM

nice one, Don

I suggest that those of us with a modicum of civility and interest in an improved healthcare system limit our posts to ones that actually provide concrete information and resist the urge to response to others. Yeah, I know... like a poison ivy rash (though crotch rot was my first thought - LOL), the urge to scratch is great. But we do know that scratching will only make things worse.

Like that dumb joke, why do you keep hitting your head on the wall? Because it feels so good when I stop.