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Lyr Req: Loch Lomond - in Irish

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GUEST,Guest 03 Nov 13 - 12:47 AM
Joe Offer 03 Nov 13 - 01:20 AM
doc.tom 03 Nov 13 - 08:07 AM
Jack Campin 03 Nov 13 - 08:29 AM
MartinRyan 03 Nov 13 - 08:57 AM
Leadfingers 03 Nov 13 - 11:30 AM
MartinRyan 03 Nov 13 - 03:52 PM
McGrath of Harlow 03 Nov 13 - 04:06 PM
Joe Offer 03 Nov 13 - 05:12 PM
GUEST,gutcher 03 Nov 13 - 06:44 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: loch lomond
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 03 Nov 13 - 12:47 AM

Looking for the lyrics of this well known song, only I need the words in Irish. I heard it is baeutiful in the Gaelic Language. ?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Loch Lomond - in Irish
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Nov 13 - 01:20 AM

Are you sure you don't want it in SCOTS Gaelic? Here (click) is a discussion that will give you a good start. I think this may be a song that never existed in Scots Gaelic, since it seems to be fairly recent - from sometime in the 19th century. Any Gaelic translation would likely be a recent one.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Loch Lomond - in Irish
From: doc.tom
Date: 03 Nov 13 - 08:07 AM

Spot on, Joe


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Loch Lomond - in Irish
From: Jack Campin
Date: 03 Nov 13 - 08:29 AM

There is an Irish nationalist song (20th century, I think) called "Red is the Rose" which borrowed the tune of "Loch Lomond". It's likely that's been translated into Irish.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Loch Lomond - in Irish
From: MartinRyan
Date: 03 Nov 13 - 08:57 AM

"Red is the Rose" Irish nationalist? How did I miss that one? ;>)>

As for Loch Lomond: Many Scottish (and other) songs have had Irish language lyrics fitted to them in modern times, often in the context of helping to teach children Irish by using well known tunes. I think there is at least one such to the air of Loch Lomond - but it doesn't come to mind as of yet...

Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Loch Lomond - in Irish
From: Leadfingers
Date: 03 Nov 13 - 11:30 AM

How long before Loch Lomond is liste as 'Trad - Irish' ??


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Loch Lomond - in Irish
From: MartinRyan
Date: 03 Nov 13 - 03:52 PM

If it hasn't been done already, it will be done as soon as someone thinks they can make/save money by doing so. It's nothing personal... The only other "reason" for doing so is ignorance - which, as we know, is invincible.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Loch Lomond - in Irish
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Nov 13 - 04:06 PM

Red is the Rose Irish nationalist? In the same sense as "I've got a luverly bunch of coconuts" os English nationalist.

.Come over the hills, my bonnie Irish lass
Come over the hills to your darling
You choose the road, love, and I'll make the vow
And I'll be your true love forever.

Chorus
Red is the rose that in yonder garden grows
Fair is the lily of the valley
Clear is the water that flows from the Boyne
But my love is fairer than any.

'Twas down by Killarney's green woods that we strayed
When the moon and the stars they were shining
The moon shone its rays on her locks of golden hair
And she swore she'd be my love forever.

Chorus

It's not for the parting that my sister pains
It's not for the grief of my mother
'Tis all for the loss of my bonny Irish lass
That my heart is breaking forever.


I'm not being purely facetious. Both songs do express an aspect of how people like to think of their country.


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Subject: Lyr Add: RED IS THE ROSE
From: Joe Offer
Date: 03 Nov 13 - 05:12 PM

Other discussions here make me think that "Red Is the Rose" may also have come from Scotland, altered slightly when it was taken up by those plucky Irishers....
-Joe-


Not that there's agreement, of course - see this thread (click), in which Malcolm Douglas thought "Red Is the Rose" had 20th century Irish origins, while nutty posted this:

Thread #7171   Message #910601
Posted By: nutty
15-Mar-03 - 08:10 AM
Thread Name: Origin: Red Is the Rose
Subject: RE: Red Is The Rose

This site has what I have always believed was the traditional version if 'Red is the Rose'. Not an Irish Connection in sight.

Red is the rose

There is also a MIDI

      Red is The Rose

Over the mountains and down in the glen,
To a little thatched cot in the valley;
Where the thrush and the linnet sing their ditty and their song,
And my love's leaning over the half-door.

Chorus:
Red is the rose that in yonder garden grows,
Fair is the lily of the valley;
Clear are the waters that flow in yonder stream,
But my love is fairer than any.

Down by the seashore on a cool summer's eve,
With the moon rising over the heather;
The moon it shown fair on her head of golden hair,
And she vowed she'd be my love forever.

It is not for the loss of my own sister Kate,
It is not for the loss of my mother;
It is all for the loss of my bonnie blue-eyed lass,
That I'm leaving my homeland forever.

Chorus:
Red is the rose that in yonder garden grows,
Fair is the lily of the valley;
Clear are the waters that flow in yonder stream,
But my love is fairer than any;
But my love is fairer than any.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Loch Lomond - in Irish
From: GUEST,gutcher
Date: 03 Nov 13 - 06:44 PM

REED IS THE ROSE.
               
                How sweet tha rose blaws
                It fades and it faa's
                Reed is the rose and bonny o
                It brings tae ma mind what ma dear Johnny was
                Sae bloomed sae cut aff was ma Johnny o.

Plus three more verses, tune completely different from the Irish song given above.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Loch Lomond - in Irish
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Nov 13 - 08:29 PM

Of course the text Joe gives there could be as easily Irish as Scottish.

But I prefer Loch Lomond. If the original Guest wants it in Gaelic best to have it in Scots Gaelic. After all, there are Loughs enough in Ireland to use instead of Loch Lomond, but you'd never get home to Ireland walking, high road or low road.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Loch Lomond - in Irish
From: Jack Campin
Date: 04 Nov 13 - 04:48 AM

I'd never heard "Red is the Rose" clearly enough to make out the words before - just heard the bit about the Boyne bellowed out in an anthemic Clancy/Dubliners style and figured it had to relate to the battle.

It's good. I think I prefer it to "Loch Lomond".


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