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BBC4 - Timeshift:When Coal Was King

Rain Dog 05 Nov 13 - 04:48 AM
GUEST 05 Nov 13 - 06:15 AM
GUEST 05 Nov 13 - 06:54 AM
GUEST,Fred McCormick 05 Nov 13 - 08:07 AM
Dave Hanson 06 Nov 13 - 04:49 AM
GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser) 06 Nov 13 - 11:21 AM
Rain Dog 08 Nov 13 - 04:38 AM
GUEST,Derek Schofield 08 Nov 13 - 05:27 AM
Pete Jennings 08 Nov 13 - 10:30 AM
GUEST,Fred McCormick 08 Nov 13 - 01:55 PM
GUEST,Derek Schofield 08 Nov 13 - 02:09 PM
GUEST,Musket curious 09 Nov 13 - 04:08 AM
Jim Carroll 09 Nov 13 - 04:57 AM
GUEST,Fred McCormick 09 Nov 13 - 11:35 AM
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Subject: BBC4 - Timeshift:When Coal Was King
From: Rain Dog
Date: 05 Nov 13 - 04:48 AM

On BBC4 last night and showing again on Thurs 7th Nov at 23.05. Also available on the BBCiplayer

When Coal Was King

Duration: 1 hour

Timeshift explores the lost world of coal mining and the extraordinarily rich social and cultural lives of those who worked in what was once Britain's most important industry. It's a story told through a largely forgotten film archive that movingly documents the final years of coal's heyday from the 1940s to the 1980s. One priceless piece of footage features a ballet performance by tutu-wearing colliers.

Featuring contributions from those who worked underground, those who lived in the pit villages, those who filmed them at work and at play and those - like Billy Elliot writer Lee Hall - who have been inspired by what made coalfield culture so unique.

Narrated by Christopher Eccleston

Has a section on A L Lloyd and also features clips of Ewan MacColl, as well as sound clips of other singers.

When Coal Was King


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Subject: RE: BBC4 - Timeshift:When Coal Was King
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Nov 13 - 06:15 AM

I watched it last night. An absolutely cracking programme. It should eb required viewing for everyone interested in folksong, industrial history etc. And yes, the Balletomanes were the funniest thing I've seen in many a long year. But isn't it strange that nobody else seems to have noticed the pun in the group's title. Balletomane. Pétomane. Get it?


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Subject: RE: BBC4 - Timeshift:When Coal Was King
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Nov 13 - 06:54 AM

My (Great-) Uncle Jim (Jimmy Floyd) was one of the founding members of the Ashington Group (of amateur artists) who were featured in the programme - if you click on GUEST's link, he's the one standing on the left.

He was a lovely man, worked down the pit all his life. More of the Group's work can be seen here.


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Subject: RE: BBC4 - Timeshift:When Coal Was King
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 05 Nov 13 - 08:07 AM

Just to deconfuse things before any confusion starts, I was responsible for the first GUEST posting (but not the second)and forgot to include my monicker. Apologies.


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Subject: RE: BBC4 - Timeshift:When Coal Was King
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 04:49 AM

It was a bit incongruous to hear a British miners wife singing the Rita McNeil song ' Working Man ' and saying it was her husbands favourite song, albeit a very good song.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: BBC4 - Timeshift:When Coal Was King
From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Again Scouser)
Date: 06 Nov 13 - 11:21 AM

If we still had coal mines the Greens would be trying to close them down. I heard somewhere that the Labour government of the 1960s closed more pits than Thatcher.


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Subject: RE: BBC4 - Timeshift:When Coal Was King
From: Rain Dog
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 04:38 AM

On YouTube now, posted in 4 parts

Part 1 is here

When British Coal Was King - BBC Mining Part 1


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Subject: RE: BBC4 - Timeshift:When Coal Was King
From: GUEST,Derek Schofield
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 05:27 AM

Thanks to the thread posters above - reminded me to watch the repeat which I found very interesting. Pity there was no inclusion of the Elliott family from Birtley - after all, there should be some BBC footage of them - weren't they featured in one of Bert Lloyd's TV programmes in the 70s? IIRC...
Derek


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Subject: RE: BBC4 - Timeshift:When Coal Was King
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 10:30 AM

Guest at 6.54am on 5 Nov was me, sans cookie. Thanks for the link Rain Dog.


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Subject: RE: BBC4 - Timeshift:When Coal Was King
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 01:55 PM

Derek, the programme makers were limited to what the NCB Film Unit has in its archives. So if the NCBFU never filmed them, or (horrifying thought!!!) if they did film them and the film has somehow deteriorated beyond use, they wouldn't have been able to include the Elliotts.

Philip Donnellan once made a 30 minute BBC programme, centred around Jack Elliott, called Death of a Miner. That must have been in the mid to late 1960s.

Also, Bert once made a documentary on industrial folksong. c1970?. It was long before the age of domestic video recorders and so far back that I cannot now recall much about it. But it must surely have included the Elliotts.

Also, that lovely film about Bert, which Barry Callaghan put together, included footage of Bert at The Elliotts club.


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Subject: RE: BBC4 - Timeshift:When Coal Was King
From: GUEST,Derek Schofield
Date: 08 Nov 13 - 02:09 PM

Dooh ... yes, of course, all the film from the NCB film unit ...
The film about Bert was by a different Barry ... Barrie Gavin! Did Barrie use footage from the Donnellan film for the tribute film?
Derek


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Subject: RE: BBC4 - Timeshift:When Coal Was King
From: GUEST,Musket curious
Date: 09 Nov 13 - 04:08 AM

Fond memories as an apprentice of sitting in safety training watching short films by The NCB in house film unit. Some of the acting was so wooden I'm surprised they didn't end up working in soap operas.

One Hollywood superstar was an overman from our pit and cheeky little shits as we were, we used to shout his lines at him.   

From a distance.

If he caught you, his mates would pin you down and if you were lucky it would be swarfega. Slightly less lucky a tube of grease. On a bad day, grinding paste. .....

Some of the films, , especially the electricity ones were filmed at our pit as it was large and modern using the 1100v systems other pits were slowly introducing. I never went camera side but recall as an electrician myself supplying power feeds and running cables for their lighting. Most recording gear used underground had to be housed in flameproof boxes so you don't see much camera shake as they were placed on scaffolding and heavy tripods. Microphone phantom power was classed as IS (intrinsically safe) but the microphones themselves were of the same design as intercom units for approval purposes so a lot of dialogue was dubbed afterwards.

Sorry, a few memories popping in to say hello. Forgot all about them till now.


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Subject: RE: BBC4 - Timeshift:When Coal Was King
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 09 Nov 13 - 04:57 AM

"If he caught you, his mates would pin you down and if you were lucky it would be swarfega."
Commonly used during my apprenticeship on the docks in Liverpool, though invariably grinding paste was used - (my legs automatically cross when I think of it).
There was constant warfare between apprentices and tradesmen which came to a head (sort of) in Cammel Lairds one Monday morning when the apprentices took their ultimate revenge for harsh treatment.
The old toilet facilities were a long line of adjoined cubicles which were all flushed periodically by a balance mechanism sited in a cupboard at the beginning of the line
One Monday morning a couple of apprentices got into the first cubicle in the line, placed a piece of wood wrapped in cotton waste and soaked in oil and paraffin into the first toilet, set it on fire and allowed it to float down the line of fully occupied cubicles on the next flush - things quietened down after that
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BBC4 - Timeshift:When Coal Was King
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 09 Nov 13 - 11:35 AM

Aggghhhh! Barrie Gavin. Of course.

As far as I can remember Bert didn't feature in Death of a Miner, so almost certainly not.


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Subject: RE: BBC4 - Timeshift:When Coal Was King
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 09 Nov 13 - 06:13 PM

The final touches to "Death of a Miner" were filmed at Birtley Folk Club in 1967, the year after Jack Elliott died. Bert Lloyd's documentary did indeed include passages filmed at Birtley probably around 1969. There was also an Omnibus feature on Birtley's Christmas Ceildh 1975 which was shown as part of their first programme in their 1976 series.


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