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Tune Req: Crooked Tunes or Rhythms with a Hitch!

GUEST,Pattroglyph 17 Nov 13 - 08:27 AM
Acorn4 17 Nov 13 - 08:32 AM
Stewart 17 Nov 13 - 01:56 PM
GUEST 17 Nov 13 - 05:34 PM
Jack Campin 17 Nov 13 - 06:35 PM
Mark Ross 17 Nov 13 - 09:46 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 17 Nov 13 - 10:10 PM
Phil Cooper 18 Nov 13 - 12:25 AM
GUEST,Stevebury 19 Nov 13 - 08:59 PM
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Subject: Tune Req: Crooked Tunes or Rhythms with a Hitch!
From: GUEST,Pattroglyph
Date: 17 Nov 13 - 08:27 AM

We are looking for tunes that have extra measures or notes in a measure as a hook for the song. Clinch Mountain Backstep and Cotton Eyed Joe are two that come to mind. Also we believe the Cape Briton dance songs might have the same trick employed to catch and entertain. Do you have any in mind? Thank you!


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crooked Tunes or Rhythms with a Hitch!
From: Acorn4
Date: 17 Nov 13 - 08:32 AM

Some people perform "Poverty Knock" with a missing beat - always feel it's quite effective.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crooked Tunes or Rhythms with a Hitch!
From: Stewart
Date: 17 Nov 13 - 01:56 PM

A type of crooked tune is a zwiefacher, a dance from southern Germany characterized by alternating 3/4 and 2/4 rhythms. The dance alternates between two-step and waltz (three-step) dance patterns.
Here is an example.

Here's a zwiefacher tune I wrote several years ago
midi

Cheers, S. in Seattle


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crooked Tunes or Rhythms with a Hitch!
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Nov 13 - 05:34 PM

That zwiefecher tune was just delightful ! THANK YOU FOR SHARING IT.
Poverty Knock sounds like adding extra triplets of "poverty poverty knock" would be a mimic of the loom sound. How interesting.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crooked Tunes or Rhythms with a Hitch!
From: Jack Campin
Date: 17 Nov 13 - 06:35 PM

Hamish Henderson's song "The Freedom Come-All-Ye" is based on a 3/4 pipe march. But he adapted it by making the last bar of each line 4/4.

The Shetland fiddle tune "Doon da Rooth" is a basically a jig (a variant of the Scottish jig "Drown Drouth") but has a weird bit that makes some people notate it in 21/8.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crooked Tunes or Rhythms with a Hitch!
From: Mark Ross
Date: 17 Nov 13 - 09:46 PM

The Rye Waltz changes tempos.

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crooked Tunes or Rhythms with a Hitch!
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 17 Nov 13 - 10:10 PM

DANIEL

By Sir Elton John, like so many other of the good Lord's compositions contains many beat/twists and key changes.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Of course he is not trad ... he raised the lyrical ballad to a different dissension


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crooked Tunes or Rhythms with a Hitch!
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 18 Nov 13 - 12:25 AM

Fine Times at our House, the fiddle tune on an Eden Hemmonds recording. Not sure of the spelling of his name.


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Subject: RE: Tune Req: Crooked Tunes or Rhythms with a Hitch!
From: GUEST,Stevebury
Date: 19 Nov 13 - 08:59 PM

This thread inspires a couple of thoughts:

* Many French Canadian fiddle tunes have an "added" or "missing" beat; I initially found this very disconcerting after growing up dancing to contras tunes with a very square 32-beat A part and 32-beat B part. But after listening to more French-Canadian tunes, I find the unexpected rhythm to be a large part of their charm.

* I learned to dance zwiefachers from an old Folkcraft 78 record, which had only two tunes (one easier than the other, and conversely). More than a dozen zweifachers can be found in Peter Barnes' splendid collection "A Little Couple-Dancemusik" (1992). The book is available from CDSS at cdss.org, and is chock full of wonderful tunes.


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