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Lyr Add: Lord Abore and Mary Flynn

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LORD ABORE AND MARY FLYNN


Stewie 13 Nov 99 - 10:53 PM
Martin _Ryan 14 Nov 99 - 06:34 AM
Martin _Ryan 14 Nov 99 - 07:53 AM
Wolfgang 24 Nov 99 - 02:12 PM
alison 24 Nov 99 - 10:45 PM
MMario 24 Nov 99 - 10:53 PM
alison 24 Nov 99 - 10:56 PM
Wolfgang 25 Nov 99 - 04:06 AM
Alice 15 Oct 02 - 02:59 PM
Alice 17 Oct 02 - 01:15 PM
MartinRyan 17 Oct 02 - 03:04 PM
Malcolm Douglas 17 Oct 02 - 03:54 PM
MMario 22 Apr 03 - 10:52 AM
Alice 22 Apr 03 - 05:25 PM
Genie 19 Oct 11 - 05:37 PM
Genie 20 Oct 11 - 12:23 PM
Suzy Sock Puppet 19 Apr 13 - 12:33 PM
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Subject: Lyr Add: Lord Abore and Mary Flynn ^^
From: Stewie
Date: 13 Nov 99 - 10:53 PM

This is a lovely Irish version of Child ballad #87 'Prince Robert', a Scots version of which is to be found in the DT. Tom Munnelly noted: 'This spendid ballad of a mother who poisons her son to prevent his marriage Professor Child included in his monumental collection as No 87 'Prince Robert'. The four versions he publishes are all of Scots origin, but unfortunately the tune was never noted by the collectors. As all these texts were early 19th century, the ballad was thought to be traditionally extinct. This being the case, you can imagine how thunderstruck I was when I heard it being sung in a Dublin pub in 1969! The singer was Jim Kelly who learned it from Frank Feeney who in turn had it from his late wife, a Carlow woman'. (Tom Munnelly notes to LTRA 501)

LORD ABORE AND MARY FLYNN

Lord Abore and Mary Flynn were both children young
They were scarcely 14 years of age when love between them sprung
When love between them sprung

Now Lord Abore was going out one day and when his mother came to know
'You are going away, my son', she said, 'you will drink before you go
You will drink before you go'

She called for a cask of the very best wine and filled a glass for him
To her fause, her fause, with her two fingers she put strong poison in
She put strong poison in

'Oh why, oh why, dear mother', he said, 'have you poisoned me full sore'
'It is so, my son', she said to him, 'you'll see Mary Flynn no more
'You'll see Mary Flynn no more'

'Is there anyone in this household', he said, 'who will go on an errand for me
'Who will ride to Mary Flynn's high tower and fetch here to me
'And fetch her here to me?'

And then up spoke the young servant boy, 'I'm your faithful servant', said he,
'I will ride to Mary Flynn's high tower and fetch her here to thee
'And fetch her here to thee'

And when he came to Mary Flynn's tower, he stepped into the hall
The tables were laid and the music played and the ladies were dancing all
And the ladies were dancing all

'What brought you here, my pretty little boy, what brought you here to me?
'Has my grandmother set a place for you or yet invited thee,
'Or yet invited thee?'

'Your grandmother set no place for me, nor invited me', he said
And then she learned from the servant boy that Lord Abore was dead
That Lord Abore was dead

'Come saddle for me my swiftest steed, come saddle for me the bay
'That I may ride to my true love's side without the least delay
'Without the least delay'

And when she came to Lord Abore's tower, she stepped into the hall
The tables were laid and the sheets were spread and the torches burning all
And the torches burning all

What brought you here, Mary Flynn', she says, 'what brought you here to me?'
'Oh the ring that['s] on his little finger, I came to crave of thee
'I came to crave of thee'

'No ring, no ring, Mary Flynn', she says, 'no ring have I for thee
'For the pain of death it came so quick, it split the ring in three
'It split the ring in three'

She laid her cheek down by his cheek, her side down by his side
She laid her cheek down by his cheek and then Mary Flynn she died
And Mary Flynn she died

Traditional

Source: Al O'Donnell 'Al O'Donnell 2' The Leader Tradition LTRA 501. Tom Munnelly collated this text from recordings of Jim Kelly and Frank Feeney and passed it on to Al O'Donnell.^^


Added to Digital Tradition Oct 2000


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Lord Abore and Mary Flynn
From: Martin _Ryan
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 06:34 AM

I think Tom eventually published Jim Kelly's recording of this one on a cassete.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Lord Abore and Mary Flynn
From: Martin _Ryan
Date: 14 Nov 99 - 07:53 AM

Yes. "Early Ballads in Ireland" was a tape published by Tom Munnelly and Hugh Shields in the mid-80's. It contains versions from Jim Kelly (recorded in the famous O'Donoghue's pub in Dublin, 1970) and Frank Feeney of Galloping Green (recorded the same year). Lovely song.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Lord Abore and Mary Flynn
From: Wolfgang
Date: 24 Nov 99 - 02:12 PM

One more follow up:
if you compare Stewie's Lord Abore and Mary Flynn above with the PRINCE ROBERT from Mudcat you cannot easily spot the similarities. Mudcat's Prince Robert is the A version from Child. Now have a look at the start of the C version of Child's ballad #87:

Lord Robert and Mary Florence,
they were twa children young;
they were scarse seven years of age
till love began to spring.

The similarities are weaker in other verses, but Child #87, version C, is the precursor of the ballad above. And if you listen closely in your mind to someone singing the words 'Lord Robert' with the stress on the last syllable of the name (as the tune I know demands), you can hear how 'Abore' is but a mondegreen of 'Robert'.
A Child ballad without tune should have a tune in Mudcat. Is there an easier way than me sending a tape of that Al O'Donnell record to Alison? If not I'll do it and ask her to enter the tune.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Lord Abore and Mary Flynn
From: alison
Date: 24 Nov 99 - 10:45 PM

wolfgang.... if you have a mic.. send me it via "mediaring" failing that.... mp3 a snippet, or good old fashioned tape.

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Lord Abore and Mary Flynn
From: MMario
Date: 24 Nov 99 - 10:53 PM

alison, have you been nominated for Mudcat "sainthood" yet? If not, i would like to put you in contention.....

MMario


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Lord Abore and Mary Flynn
From: alison
Date: 24 Nov 99 - 10:56 PM

hahaha.... thanks mmario... just glad to help if I can...

slainte

alison


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Lord Abore and Mary Flynn
From: Wolfgang
Date: 25 Nov 99 - 04:06 AM

Thanks, Alison, for the offer of help. Next year, I'll get a new PC with all fancy possibilities. This year it's still the old technology for me. I'll wait a couple of days and then I'll prepare a tape.

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Lord Abore and Mary Flynn
From: Alice
Date: 15 Oct 02 - 02:59 PM

I want to learn this song but still do not see a tune in the DT. Does anyone have the tune accessible from the internet as noted for the recording posted by Martin Ryan above? "...versions from Jim
Kelly (recorded in the famous O'Donoghue's pub in Dublin, 1970) and Frank Feeney of Galloping Green (recorded the same year)."

Alice


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Lord Abore and Mary Flynn
From: Alice
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 01:15 PM


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Lord Abore and Mary Flynn
From: MartinRyan
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 03:04 PM

Alice

I'm not even sure I can find the tape. I'll drop you a PM if I do.

Regards


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Lord Abore and Mary Flynn
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 17 Oct 02 - 03:54 PM

Transcriptions were printed in Irish Folk Music Studies (vol.I, 1972-3), but I think it's no longer available.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Lord Abore and Mary Flynn
From: MMario
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 10:52 AM

another one where we are still looking for the "missing" tune


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Lord Abore and Mary Flynn
From: Alice
Date: 22 Apr 03 - 05:25 PM

I got the sheet music through an inter-library loan of the Irish Folk Music Studies issue referred to by Malcolm Douglas.

Alice


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Lord Abore and Mary Flynn
From: Genie
Date: 19 Oct 11 - 05:37 PM

Abby Sale sang this song (a version therof, anyway) at the 2011 FSGW Getaway concert and did a fine job of it.   If he says OK, I'll post a link to that video here.

Genie


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Subject: Video: Lord Abore and Mary Flynn
From: Genie
Date: 20 Oct 11 - 12:23 PM

Here's Abby Sale's version of "Lord Abore" from the 2011 FSGW Getaway concert.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Lord Abore and Mary Flynn
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 19 Apr 13 - 12:33 PM

Prince Robert I think it is really an Irish-Scots ballad. I think Prince Robert with the birk at the end is just a fluke, a phenomenon cause by publishing. To this I would add that I suspect persons like Thomas Percy and Sir Walter Scott of tampering with these ballads to suit their own agendas so when Sir Walter says that Prince Robert is "from a recitation of a lady very nearly related to the editor," I say Hmmm...

But in any case, the ending here is a tacked verse. It doesn't belong with the ballad. It was published in 1803, which probably accounts for that fact that a few more versions appeared in the near vicinity- Kilbarchin, Dunlappie. Nothing here...

Btw, I love the way Al O'Donnell sings it :)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Lord Abore and Mary Flynn
From: Suzy Sock Puppet
Date: 19 Apr 13 - 12:35 PM

Oops. I should have mentioned that the ending I was referring to is a Scottish variation of the rose-brier motif. I didn't mean to post here. I'm on another thread :)


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