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GUEST,Arkie 21 Nov 13 - 08:35 PM
JohnInKansas 21 Nov 13 - 09:10 PM
GUEST,Arkie 22 Nov 13 - 09:47 AM
artbrooks 22 Nov 13 - 10:13 AM
JohnInKansas 22 Nov 13 - 10:47 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 22 Nov 13 - 01:33 PM
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Subject: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 21 Nov 13 - 08:35 PM

My HP Photosmart has worked quite well for several years now acquired a problem. In the past replacing printers has been more economical than repairs.

If replacing the printer becomes necessary, anyone have any recommendations? My preference is a stand alone printer capable of printing directly to discs. A quick check found HP, Epson, and Canon with capability of printing to CD. The HP is now over $450 and scans on copies. All I need is a printer. Epson and Canon seem to be most logical choices now. Would appreciate comments from users on printer experience and preference.

Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 21 Nov 13 - 09:10 PM

My experience has been that HP doesn't do repairs on the printer you give them to fix. They just ship you someone else's broken printer that they've "refurbished."

They once shipped me a replacemet that arrived DOB (dead out of box).

They replaced that one with one that turned on, but had a broken power switch and couldn't be turned OFF.

That one was replaced by one that printed about 100 pages before it "went silent" for unknown reasons, about 4 days after the original warranty - all they would honor - expired. Just shipping the last one back to them would have cost me about what a new similar printer would be have been (~$425.00 US at the time, a large format unit).

You might have a problem that could be repaired locally (there were and are no "HP authorized repair shops" in my area, but might be where you are). Otherwise I would agree that it's probably more reasonable just to replace.

As I haven't looked at what's available for printing disks I'll defer to those who have some experience with that use for recommendations about what to look at for a replacement. I will say I've had good performance from a couple of Canon inkjets, but they changed their control programs in ways I didn't particularly care for on the last one we purchased. I'm currently using all Epson but about all I can say is that they've been "trouble free" for a couple of years.

Several others that have looked good just aren't available and/or ink supplies are marginal in my location. (I'm not good enough at planning ahead to rely entirely on web/mail consumables.)

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 22 Nov 13 - 09:47 AM

John, thanks. What I want to know is what printers Catters are using and if they are pleased with the result. From what I have read so far my choices are down to Epson and Canon. At this point Epson is ahead.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: artbrooks
Date: 22 Nov 13 - 10:13 AM

By "printing directly to discs", I assume that you are talking about one that prints on CDs? Sorry, but I can't help directly.

I have a Canon Pixma MP620 multifunction that prints ok on paper stick-on CD labels, but beware using those on a player with a slot (like a car player). If model experience transfers, I'd have no problem recommending Canon (this is my third).

My PC has a program called Light Scribe that writes directly on discs (special ones are needed), but it's pretty slow. Good luck.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 22 Nov 13 - 10:47 AM

The choices are probably a little easier for general "home users," but some of us need to be a little more fussy. I'm not a heavy user of the printers, but got my Epson WF-7520 multipurpose for the large format (11 x 17 inch) flatbed scanner. Ir seemed satisfactory, but the large platform made it a little slow, so I got an Epson WF-2540 for the printing that doesn't require the large sheet handling. The two look pretty much identical except for size.

The bigger one actually gets the most use for quickie printing, mainly because it's got two paper magazines that will hold over 50 sheets (I load one with 8.5 x 11 and the other with 11 x 17 paper.) The little one only holds about 20 sheets so it has to be "tended" more to keep resupplying the paper. The little one does do a great job printing envelopes and such.

Both of these are "multipurpose" machines with ADF, copy, fax, wifi, and all the whooptie-dos, but I use them on the ethernet connection to share them with our three computers. Both can turn the paper to scan both sides of an original and/or to turn over and print two sides, but I don't use that feature much since much of the stuff I handle is "old paper" that doesn't make the turnover very reliably.

My "workhorse" that I'm running the guts out on, is a scan only Epson GT-S50 that scans both sides in a single pass (up to 8.5" wide by 14 or 15" long, or down to business card size). It's only available as a USB device, and unfortunately Epson hasn't been able to tell me how to install the USB control program so that it's compatible with the ethernet program the other two use, so there are a couple of things the scanner should do but doesn't, but it's very good at running the scans on the "old stuff" that would fall apart in any other scanner ADF I've seen. I've run about 230,000 sheets through it with no significant glitches. (I can cut a 500 page book apart and scan it to pdf through the GT in a couple of hours if all goes well.)

Lin has a Canon Finepix MG-5200 that we got to replace an older (15 years) Canon that served well being hauled around in the camper when it wasn't at home. Performance is fine, but I'm a little disappointed with the control program that's much less efficient for what we do than the software for the older machane it replaced. It's, of course, a multipurpose, that we run on USB although it's wireless capable. (Wireless anything just doesn't work at our house due to interference from unknown sources.)

Since you want to print disks, none of these would be a particularly good choice for you. We do have a few people who have indicated that they do that sort of stuff, but I haven't found a need to look for a printer to do it.

Maybe if we put up enough posts to make the thread look interesting, some of them will drop in soon.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Nov 13 - 01:33 PM

John, if you are still around, perhaps you can help with a mudcat problem.
I typed a post here, and clicked Submit. It seemed to work, since after a few seconds, the main menu came up. But it didn't take.

I have two printers

Canon 9000 for quality color reproduction of my photographs, etc.
It is not used for routine copy because the inks are expensive.

HP LaserJet P1005
Used for routine BW copy. Costs less than $100, a good, cheap routine printer.

A friend in the business recommends Canon over HP for color work.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 22 Nov 13 - 03:57 PM

Q -

I've had the same behavior at mudcat. Click send and you go back to the front page but the post isn't there. Also, intermittently, when I first go to mudcat, the page loads very slowly or once in a while doesn't load at all. I've assumed it's because the 'cat's server is just overloaded, and my click just got dropped from the queue. The only solution, if that's the problem, would be a better server, or perhaps more frequent maintenance; but I can tolerate the problems until Max can do something, or tell us how to do better.

On the dropped post, I can nearly always use the Back button to get back to my post, copy and paste and re-post. When I copy a post that failed, I usually paste it into Word to make sure I've got it, since very rarely I may want to "refresh" the mudcat connection before trying again, and a refresh may dump the "Back" pages on my machine. (No need to save the Word paste, since it's safe until closed.)

On the thread subject, I've had three HP BW Laser printers that worked quite well until the plastic parts "cooked out" and started to crumble. Ten or 15 years for each. When we had to replace printers, I couldn't find enough information on any BW Lasers to make a reasonable decision, so we just went to all inkjets. My printing volume has dropped enough recently to make the slight difference in ink costs negligible, and in fact some of the newer inkjets rival the BW Lasers for per page cost. The only disadvantage of inkjet is that they still fade in sunlight and smear if they get wet. As we are less often printing (or hanging prints) in the campground, that's no longer too serious, and if I really need waterproof I still have a few sheets of the Amazon "waterproof" map paper (Although at a dollar per sheet I don't use it very fast.)

The deal on printers is that only your own expected use really matters. For many users, "ordinary" is sufficient, but unfortunately the makers and sellers seldom make it easy to know enough of the details before you buy for you to tell much about the "special" features of their stuff. Information on the "management" software is especialy hard to find in advance of the buy, but probably is most important only for machines with scanning capability (and even then only if you intend to use that feature a lot).

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 22 Nov 13 - 05:44 PM

I have never owned a printer that wasn't an HP and have been quite satisfied with them until now. A little more research and I am leaning to Canon PIXMA MX922. One review indicated Epson had a problem with changing ink cartridges but I do not really trust reviews on the net. Have much more faith in the experience of Mudcat users. The last time I was shopping for printers, Canon only sold printers that printed to CDs in Europe.   Thanks to all for the feedback.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 22 Nov 13 - 05:59 PM

The PIXMA 922 is one of the multi-purpose machines and some people have had trouble with ink cartridge replacements. The multi-purpose machines generally have push button controls on the front, and also an installable "management program." Either can be used to tell the printer you're going to change ink before you open the lid, in which case the change has been simple (for us on our two Epsons and one Canon). If you don't tell the machine in advance what you want to do before you open it up, the ink carrier may not come out where you can get to the cartridges.

This might be the the problem some people have run into.

As usual, the solution is RTFM.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: treewind
Date: 22 Nov 13 - 05:59 PM

I have an Epson Photo R200 which I use solely for printing CDs.

I'm hesitant to recommend it; it was just about the only existing printer that would do CDs when I bought it.

It's very slow, and each CD print is preceded by an interminable period of grunting, shuffling and inexplicable long silences during which you keep wondering if it's died. Sometimes that's followed by a pop up window on your PC telling you something mysterious has gone wrong, and you have to go through a tedious sequence of fiddling with the CD tray, taking it out and putting it back in and then waiting for it to do its endless grunt-and-shuffle sequence again before it (maybe) starts printing.

Also its CD print software is Windows only, which is inconvenient for me.

When it's behaving itself and I've cleaned the rollers, it can print quite nicely.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Nov 13 - 07:38 PM

We have an HP OfficeJet R80 (does everything) that has been a perfect workhorse for 8-9 years... but it is not a modern USB compatible machine. Had a PC of same age crash, and now doesn't recognize the printer, so we have been using it for just copying. (It does enlarging/reducing in small increments, which my wife needs in her work)

We also have a Canon MP600 that we inherited from a friend who left the country. I put it on my 'downstairs' PC. It seems to be fine, though doesn't get 'much' use and ink is moderately expensive.

So...we recently got a VERY new HP wireless printer that seems to do almost as much as easily as the old HP... and it and the Sony laptop it communicates with seem to 'know' everything it needs...including new drivers, ink level and network connections. It hasn't gotten any HUGE workouts yet, but has printed business cards with no hiccups.

**crossing fingers**


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Nov 13 - 08:12 PM

Just realized my new HP is a Photosmart 7520

Wondering what relevance this is to John's Epson WF-7520...hmmm. Companies don't usually come up with identical model #s...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 22 Nov 13 - 08:56 PM

My last HP was an Office Jet Pro 8500. The main problem I had with it was repeated and frequent print head failures (it uses printheads separate from the ink magazines. Replaced under warranty and a couple of printheads failed again after about a week. "Warrenty replacement" printheads crapped in about two weeks.

Junked after a couple of months of trying to make it work.

My current Epson WF 7520 is a "Workforce" series intended for moderate to high voume "office use," and handling B size (11" x 17") paper, while your HP Photosmart 7520 is a "letter size photo multipurpose." Not much similarity. Your HP 7520 is more like my Epson 2540, except my 2540 has been trouble free for about a year so far.

There's only so many 4-digit numbers available*, and the marketing guys say "4-dgits is more impressive that 3" but "nobody will remember anything with more than a 4-digit number," so some similar model numbers are probably inevitable - but entirely coincidental.

* Toyota would have been Toyoda if the numerologists hadn't objected when the "brand" was about to be first introduced. Waitng for a date compatible with the "number value" of the original (family) name would have delayed the release by several months so they "picked a better name."

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 23 Nov 13 - 09:21 AM

Arkie, I fear that if you spend $450 on a printer just so it can do CD's, that you will get one that is miserably complicated.

I just replaced my faithful HP with a Canon ($69), and the Canon is already too complicated. Not that it does anything special - they just made it more complicated to do the simplest job. If they have the wiles and resources to make the instructions for a $69 printer that complicated, what will they do for $450?

(I wanted to stick with HP, but the store was out of them, and I needed to print stuff. So I bought the Canon. Of course, by this time HP may have got in line with industry trends and made its directions hard too.)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: GUEST,Arkie
Date: 23 Nov 13 - 09:36 AM

I have no intention of spending $450 on a printer for any purpose. I would prefer a printer that does not scan or copy but is content to only print what I need to print. Printing to CDs is a feature I would like but will sell the farm to get it. At one time printers were fairly cheap and the profit was supposedly in the ink.

The search is still on and a lot of the comments made in this thread have been very helpful.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 23 Nov 13 - 11:12 AM

Leenia - If they have the wiles and resources to make the instructions for a $69 printer that complicated, what will they do for $450?

The problem is that they have to claim that the $69 printer will do everything that the $450 one will do, but the cheap one has fewer features to simplify the same operations, and may require more of the user.

In most cases, within one manufacturer's models, the control panels and management software are almost identical regardless of the price, so the user manuals are almost identical.

It is almost impossible in most market areas now to find a printer that "just prints." Almost everything has to be "multipurpose," with wireless connection, FAX, Scan, Print, Copy, Email, ADF, and any other trash "feature" the makers think will sell. It's fairly common to provide USB and/or Ethernet connection capability in addition to wireless (but most often its either/or), but there's no guarantee the sellers will tell you about all the features, so you have to do some research to know what you're getting. Sometimes you can't tell much before you buy, regardless of how much pre-purchase research you try to do.

An additional caveat is that the printer makers come out with "new models" frequently, in most cases at least annually, and the previous models are almost instantly "obsolete" (with respect to support). The model changes are frequent enough that if you buy from a retailer many of the ones they push are obsolete before the ads are printed. Almost none will be a "current model" even by the time the manufacturer's "limited warranty" expires, and many may not be "current models" by the time you carry them out of the store.

A quick look at Canon and Epson shows models now that are advertised as capable of printing on CDs, mostly at prices from $299 (US) and up. These are the ones that may make CD printing fairly simple.

Almost any printer that has a "straight line paper path" that you can use with a few extra steps can probably print on a CD, but for the cheaper ones the feature may not be advertised, is expected to be used infrequently, and you usually must put each disk into a "carrier" and feed the carrier through one at a time. (The carrier is often a $30 - $60 extra cost "accessory.) The few that aren't advertised as "CD capable" may make it extremely difficult to verify that it can be done before you buy the machine and download the user manual. (A few makers still demand a serial number before they'll let you download the manuals.)

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Nov 13 - 07:11 AM

I bought the Epson PX730WD
Prints perfectly on DVD/CD and their DVD/CD printing app is more than sufficient for fancy text, arcing and outline etc, especially if you use Photoshop to do any really clever stuff. In which case prepare images on a square aspect ratio because that will show you what it will look like (given that it ends-up in a circle you do need to imagine the missing bits, but there are no other surprises).

The only proviso is that I wished I had bought it through the Constant Ink System people (search for that or CIS on Ebay). The ink is cheap and top-ups are yearly ish. You can retro-fit, but I haven't - yet. I use Jetech cartridges, having tried cheaper ones it scared me when the jets blocked.

I bought TDK full face CD's and found them excelent but colour rendering on different brands can be a disappointment. Needs thinking about if you haven't had that experience.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Nov 13 - 07:19 AM

BTW the PX730WD can print double sided on paper.

However though this is true I found I had to turn the text upside down which in Word 2007 necessitated taking a screen image and rotating it in Photoshop. Inevitably with a slight loss of definition.

The scanner seems to pixelate (in the finest detail) with a dots, colours use shared pixels. This results in worse limits to selecting small areas than my 20 year-old parallel port scanner! But then I bought it for CD printing and double sided was a bonus (of sorts) and scanning quality was a negative bonus.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: Mr Red
Date: 24 Nov 13 - 07:27 AM

here you go http://www.inksystem.com/all-in-one-ciss/epson/px730wd.html & save $12 to boot.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 24 Nov 13 - 09:48 AM

Mr Red -

The PX730WD looks pretty good, in about the middle range for price for the few Epson & Canon CD-capable machines I looked at. It shows compatibility only with older Windows versions, so might be a little iffy with Win7 or Win8.

It appears to set up for Euro paper sizes not widely available in the US, and I couldn't tell whether it can even be bought in the US(?). As it can apparently only be used via WiFi (no Ethernet or USB connection shown on Epson's Spec sheet) I couldn't use it due to interference at my location, but WiFi coverage seems to be better elsewhere.

With respect to your 2-sided printing problem, in Word you should be able to choose which edge of the paper is the "gutter edge" in the margin settings. If the gutter is at the bottom 2-sided printers usually flip the even pages to what probably is the upside down problem you describe. If you set "gutter left" the printer should print the backside of the page so that the top of front and back are at the same end. You may have to set some "gutter width," depending on your Word version, but it can be very narrow. Make the change to your "Normal Template" and all your doc pages should come out rightside up when you print 2-sided. You should be able to avoid the need to PhotoShop the pages to turn them over with this setting.

Word can print 2-sided with ANY PRINTER that lets you "print odd pages." Just print the odd pages first, then turn the stack over and "print even pages reverse order" and it should print the backsides correctly. Getting the stack right side up when you set up for the second pass can be tricky, and if you get a paper misfeed on a page all your subsequent pages may be mismatched, but with a printer in good condition and clean paper it's workable.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: Mr Red
Date: 25 Nov 13 - 11:17 AM

730WD/Win 7 no problem. Seems as faultless as on Win Vista.
Win 8 is a problem for everybody, I haven't been able to test the 730WD on a Win 8 PC and it will need a very real advantage for me to use Win 8.

My Print set-up is for Europe but looking down the available list of paper sizes I see the dreaded 8 & 1/4 sizes (by 11" & 14") that for so many years annoyed the hell out of Europeans because printers defaulted to American sizes the minute you turned your back, with the inevitable edge/registration printing problems. hoto sizes A

I would think the print DLL would default to whatever you first set it to &/or it was clever enough to look at the OS country setting (default US!) But cannot test for that now.

Now I haven't played with double-sided that often but I did not see a "flip setting" for double-sided "reverse only" (or obverse). by default it prints upside down. I will look again, I will need it sometime soon.

What I found - even on the 730WD is that damp paper (as in "just printed") will not take kindly to the turn over wheeze. The print can (and does with posters) bubble-up just enough while still drying to make pages stick together occasionally. More so than my 20-year-old Epson Stylus 600. (Now defunct). The paper tray makes the difference IMHO.
For that method I tend to reverse side print one page at a time which is tedious, hence the attraction of double-sided. A partial result - I submit.

All in All I am very pleased with the PX730WD


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 25 Nov 13 - 03:53 PM

Printing functions can vary a lot with the driver installed, which of course differs from one printer to the next, even for the printers made by a single manufacturer.

In Word. in the page layout section, where you set margin widths, there should be a "gutter location." For a printer that turns the sheet over to print the backside of each sheet automatically, if you check "gutter left" WORD should send the pages so that the pages are all with the top of each side are at the same edge of the paper. If you check "gutter top" WORD should take care of any flipping the page it sends to the printer, so that the printer can handle the sheet turns the same way it always does for the two sides.

(If you're using one of the "imitation Word" programs, I would expect the gutter setting to be a choice that's available, but you'll have to look for it.)

The "gutter" is the extra margin for binding the pages together, or for punching holes to put them in a notebook, so the gutter location determines which way the page flips when you turn the pages in your "book."

If the printer turns the sheet over to print the second side automatically, it should take care of the orientation; but of course different printers may do it differently.

You only need to worry about reversing the print order for a printer that only prints one side at a time. That setting usually will be after you click "print," if the driver provides for it. In all the printers I've used recently, it's been in "page setup," "layout," or "options" button after you start the print process. You print one side, all the odd pages, or all the even pages. Then you run the whole stack back through to print the other side. ONE or the OTHER of the two passes needs to be in the opposite order.

On most inkjet printers the default you likely will have set is to print last page first so that the first page of the document is printed last and comes out on top, with the side with the wet ink up. Many laser printers print in page order, if they deliver the output "face down," and the first document page should come out on the bottom of the pile since the pile is face down.

If you put the stack, printed on one side, back in, the pages need to be printed "in reverse order" from what was used on the first pass, whether or not the printer default is to "reverse print" or is the other way around.

As you said, with this method, you may want to give the prints from the first pass of an inkjet printer time to dry a little, and maybe "fan the stack" to make sure none of the pages stick together, since any misfeed really messes up the page order.

Note that for the two-passes method, the document must have an even number of pages for everything to come out right, so you may have to have a blank last page in the document, if it's an even page number.

Changing the gutter location in the document should be sufficient to make things come out right, if you printer turns the sheets over and prints the other side automatically.

For a printer that can only print one side at a time, the two pass method can be used, and it's complicated enough that you can expect a few misprints, but it is a method that can be made to work to get two-sided documents out of any printer.

An option for the simpler printer is, of course, to re-stack the first output so the sheets are in the order the printer will feed them when you run them through the second time, without any change in settings. This usually means you'll have to restack them again when you get done, to put them in "reading order," but you won't have to puzzle quite as much over settings and which side up to make the second feed.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: Mr Red
Date: 26 Nov 13 - 09:25 AM

interesting, I will prod Word 2007 and see what it does with the 730WD.
Up to now I have only printed posters, so the "gutter" wheeze is distinctly a disadvantage. Particularly if you are trying to get a semblance of registration front to back.
Thanks


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 26 Nov 13 - 01:04 PM

The gutter setting is a standard for printing, especially when printing 2-sided, and provides an extra margin for punch holes or other binding without the need to set different margins for odd and even pages.

For printing two sided on simple printers that don't flop the pages over and print both sides in a single run, the description given looks "confusingly complex" although it isn't too difficult once you get it figured out.

Many printers that print one-side at a time allow you to select "print 2 sided" (usually in the printer settings) and will print one side and then tell you to reinsert the stack, after which they print the other side.

In simplest terms, all you have to do is is stack the paper sheets in the order the printer will print them for the second side, and get them right side up and "get the correct edge in first."

OR

Tell the printer to print the even pages in the order they're stacked when they come out from the first (odd pages) run (and reinsert the stack with the correct edge going in first).

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: Mr Red
Date: 28 Nov 13 - 09:39 AM

The 730WD has a triplet for double-sided: off, auto and manual. It suggests you adjust density for large coloured areas. It has a "mirror" print "tickit" and even one for 180 rotate but here's the telling thing, it greys that out on auto double-sided. And does not hint at flipping the print on the reverse pages. I am fully conversant with gutters and mirror margins, and perfect binding.

The conclusion is: my "screen dump & rotate" wheeze is as cute as it gets on this one. But I will quiz Epson on it. I await iteration 2 on that, but am not hopeful unless there is a driver update which they can offer.
Shame because I would like to print a book.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 28 Nov 13 - 03:03 PM

If you're using a printer (like your 730WD) that prints one side, turns the sheet over and prints the other side, you should be able to make your document so that all the pages are right side up when viewed in your wp program, and print them so they're all the same side up or bottom-to-top when you turn the pages.

When you click print, and select your printer, you should be able to set "print 2-sided." When you click to print 2-sided here should be a "Properties" or "Options" (and/or Densities) button. There may also be a set of "Presets" that can be edited, but clicking one of those doesn't do anything unless you've defined what that one is supposed to do previously. For my Epson WF7520, when the printer selected first comes up, the needed adjustments are at a "Properties" button. When I put a check mark at "2-sided printing" in the Properties, a button for "Settings" and a separate button for "Print densites" appear. There is a pop up warning that for printing documents with lots of images the Densities settings are important, but when I close that popup, the Settings button comes back.

In "Settings" there should be a "Binding Edge" where you can choose Left or Top. If you choose "Top" your printer should print the odd pages right side up and the even pages upside down, so that when you "turn the page up" in the printed document both pages are right way up for reading. If you select binding edge "Left" both sides should print the same side up, so that when you "turn a page left" in the printed document they're correct for reading. This means you don't need to change your file (in my case Word.doc) in order to print the same "book" single sided or 2-sided, as a book or as a flip-chart.

A help file for your printer should give specific instructions if you look for "binding edge" but since your printer and mine are both Epsons they should be similar to what I've described. I found better instructions in Word Help than in the Printer help, but YMMV.

My "Help" file in Word gives instructions similar to the above for a few different printers (as offsite help), and while the ones I looked at are all similar there are some deviations. As you observed, if I click 2-sided printing on the "Main" tab of the printer Preferences, it allows me to create "preferences" to save the settings for a new way of printing, but the settings themselves have to be entered by putting a check in a separate "2-sided printing" box. When I check the 2-sided printing box, I get separate buttons for the "Print Density" and for "Settings." The Settings button is where the binding edge can be changed for my priinter. Your choices may be labelled differently, and/or your printer may not have all of the same options available.

John


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Subject: RE: Tech: Need advice on Printer
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 29 Nov 13 - 02:21 AM

A note found after the above post indicates that for both my Epson WF7520 and my Epson WF2540 most of the 2-sided print features are available only for a few specific sizes of paper sheets. Both printers are indicated as being able to print from "business card size" or a little larger (small index card size?) up to 8-1/2 x 11 for the 2540 and 11 x 17 for the 7520, but "letter size" is about the only sheet size that can be printed 2-sided using the automatic turnover feature.

If your document is set up for some other sheet size, you should be able to use the document you have but find a setting to "fit to page" and select one of the printed paper sizes that lets you use all the features, but you'll need to investigate your own printer to be sure. (The document page can be any size, but the printed page size has to be something the paper feed can handle.) It may be necessary to dig into the details of your own printer to see what similar limits apply (what paper sizes can be printed 2-sided).

It might be worth noting that the "Nuance PDF Converter Pro" that I use for scanning to pdf and/or combining scanned page images (.jpg usually) to pdf documents allows you to "rotate" a page, range of pages, or "all pages," "all even" pages," or "all odd pages," so if nothing else works I could convert a .doc to pdf, flip the even pages upside down and use default 2-sided printing to get the result you're wanting**. There shouldn't be any change in image quality if the page is rotated. (But there's still the printer limitation that the printed pages have to be a size that the feed can handle to use the automatic 2-sided printing.)

** if your printer is printing the even pages upside down, upside down upside down pages would be right side up ...(???).

John


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