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BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy

Songwronger 08 Dec 13 - 11:39 PM
Stilly River Sage 09 Dec 13 - 12:51 AM
Don Firth 09 Dec 13 - 01:02 AM
Ebbie 09 Dec 13 - 01:26 AM
Joe Offer 09 Dec 13 - 01:56 AM
GUEST,Stim 09 Dec 13 - 02:01 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 09 Dec 13 - 02:01 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 09 Dec 13 - 02:54 AM
JohnInKansas 09 Dec 13 - 05:55 AM
Greg F. 09 Dec 13 - 09:59 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 09 Dec 13 - 12:38 PM
Greg F. 09 Dec 13 - 01:08 PM
Don Firth 09 Dec 13 - 01:32 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 09 Dec 13 - 02:10 PM
Don Firth 09 Dec 13 - 03:45 PM
Richard Bridge 09 Dec 13 - 04:53 PM
Don Firth 09 Dec 13 - 05:18 PM
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Songwronger 09 Dec 13 - 11:01 PM
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Greg F. 10 Dec 13 - 06:59 PM
Don Firth 10 Dec 13 - 10:07 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 11 Dec 13 - 01:34 AM
Don Firth 11 Dec 13 - 01:48 AM
GUEST,Larry The Radio Guy 11 Dec 13 - 04:02 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 11 Dec 13 - 05:17 AM
Don Firth 11 Dec 13 - 02:03 PM
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Don Firth 11 Dec 13 - 06:06 PM
Elmore 11 Dec 13 - 06:06 PM
Don Firth 11 Dec 13 - 06:15 PM
Elmore 11 Dec 13 - 06:38 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 11 Dec 13 - 09:17 PM
Songwronger 11 Dec 13 - 10:35 PM
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Subject: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Songwronger
Date: 08 Dec 13 - 11:39 PM

Obama prepared to drop jobless benefits as part of budget deal

The White House said Friday it would agree to a budget deal with the Republicans that excludes an extension of federal benefits for the long-term unemployed, which are scheduled to expire at the end of the month.

By the administration's own figures, allowing the federally-funded extended benefit program to expire will end cash assistance for 1.3 million people immediately after the holidays and impact an additional 3.6 million people in the first half of 2014.

With this cruel and callous act, Obama and the Democratic Party are prepared to join with the Republicans in condemning nearly 5 million people and their families to destitution. In prior recessions, emergency unemployment benefits, beyond the standard aid offered by the states, have never been terminated when unemployment remained at such high levels as those prevailing today....

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/12/07/obam-d07.html

Are we not fortunate to have such a caring leader? He kills with starvation, not a sword, so he is humane. And in his humanity he has already offered to aid us by cutting social security and Medicare:

Amid government shutdown, Obama signals cuts to Social Security, Medicare

US President Barack Obama restated his support for cutting Social Security and Medicare in a press conference Tuesday, reassuring congressional Republicans of his willingness to agree to these cuts if the Republicans vote to increase the government's debt limit....

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/10/09/budg-o09.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 12:51 AM

He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't as far as you're concerned, Songwronger. Give it a rest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 01:02 AM

Another ladleful from Songwronger's septic tank.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 01:26 AM

Amazing how much worse he is than the Republicans...


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 01:56 AM

Songwronger's quote is from the "World Socialist Web Site." Who woulda thunk, that Songwronger was a socialist?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 02:01 AM

Do you actually believe that, Songwronger? If you do, check this, Weekly Address Calling on Congress to Extend Unemployment Benefits and if you don't, well, there's nothing I can say that hasn't been said before...


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 02:01 AM

Why are you getting so pissy at Songwronger??? He is only reporting the news....and from a 'socialist' news source. So the deal is, Songwronger gives you a link, with an article from a socialist paper, and you don't like the news........SO YOU BLAME SONGWRONGER???????????????????
gosh, and Don claimed to be a news guy on the radio???? Was all the news you reported all 'happy news', so people would like you?????....or resent you, if it was news they didn't like?????
No wonder you took up bullshitting!!!.........and you haven't stopped YET!

If the story is accurate, it's accurate......if it's full of shit, blame the source, in this case wsws.org.

This folks, is just common sense!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 02:54 AM

By the way.....if the story is true, Social Security only goes up about 11/2%...minimum wages go up about 20%, which means those who are on S.S. lose out due to the inflation the minimum raise is going to incur, unemployment gets cut(or not extended), people are being forced to buy insurance.....not good for the people....who are out of work, benefits, and S.S. is not keeping up with inflation......

....has anybody seen those shovel ready jobs???
"If you like your shovel, you can keep it, period!"

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 05:55 AM

Famous Socialist Organizations, according to Wiki:

Parties related to German Nazism ideology[edit]
Bulgarian National Socialist Party (Bulgarian, anti-Semitic)
Canadian National Socialist Unity Party (Canada)(pro-Anglo-Canadian/ French-Canadian)
German National Socialist Workers' Party (Czechoslovakia) (Sudeten German, anti-Semitic)
Russian National Unity (pro-Russian, pro-Russia-apartheid, anti-Semitic, anti-non-Russian-indigenous)
Greek National Socialist Party (Italian-style fascist, pro-Hitler)
Hungarian National Socialist Party (one of several such groups, 1920s-40s) (German-style National Socialist, anti-Semitic)
Iranian National Socialist Party (est. 1952) (pro-Hitler, anti-Semitic, anti-Arab, anti-Turk)
Nasjonal Samling (Norway, est. May 13, 1933 - dissolved May 8, 1945)(German-style National Socialist, anti-Semitic, anti-Masonic)
National Socialist Action Party (United Kingdom, est. 1982)(British, possibly anti-immigrant)
National Socialist Dutch Workers Party (favored German annexation of the Netherlands)
National Socialist German Workers Party (Adolf Hitler's Nazi Party)
National Socialist Japanese Workers Party (Japan, anti-minority, http://www.nsjap.com/en/index.html)
National Socialist League (United Kingdom 1930s) (British, pro-Hitler)
National Socialist League (United States) (gay, "Aryan", pro-Hitler)
National Socialist Party of America (white, anti-Semitic, anti-black)
National Socialist Party of Australia (a neo-Nazi organisation)
National Socialist Party of New Zealand (German-style National Socialist, anti-Semitic)
National Socialist Party (Romania) (German-style National Socialist)
National Socialist People's Party of Sweden (Italian/German style fascist/National Socialist)
National Socialist White People's Party (Harold Covington) (Pacific Northwest secessionist, pro-apartheid, white, anti-Semitic)
National Socialist Workers' Party of Denmark (German-style National Socialist, anti-Semitic)
National Socialist Workers Party (Spain)
National Socialist Workers' Party (Sweden) (started as a German-style National Socialist party, but became more leftist and independently Swedish before declining during WWII)
Russian National Socialist Party (Russian nationalist, fascist, theocratic (Orthodox Christian), socialist, anti-immigrant)
Socialist Reich Party (Germany) (pro-Hitler, pro-German-reunification, Holocaust-denying, anti-American, pro-Soviet but anti-communist and anti-capitalist, post-WWII)
Sudeten German National Socialist Party (Sudeten German, pro-annexation-by-Germany)
Swedish National Socialist Farmers' and Workers' Party (Agrarism, pro-Hitler)
Syrian Social Nationalist Party (secular, nationalist, pro-Syria, fascist)

Anybody can call themselves anything they want to.

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 09:59 AM

Why are you getting so pissy at Songwronger??? He is only reporting the news...

Uh Huh. Just like Rupe Murdoch & FOX.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 12:38 PM

..and there is a point somewhere??
Think of it this way...he actually read something related to the topic.
Now you get to read what he read...otherwise, you'd just be too opinionated and lazy.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 01:08 PM

..and there is a point somewhere??

If you have to ask, GeistInsanity, you'll never know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 01:32 PM

Goofballupagus, Songwronger is totally biased against President Obama, and if he could find some arch-conservative fundamentalist website claiming that they had Scriptural proof that Obama is the Anti-Christ and that Armageddon is imminent, he would post THAT.

THAT IS NOT NEWS, that is someone's half-assed, biased opinion!

True, I have worked as a broadcast news editor and director. And I learned how to determine whether or not a supposed news source was biased or reliable. It's not that difficult for anyone with a functioning brain.

But anyone with as much as a nursery school education should be able to smell pure, unadulterated excrement when they encounter it.

Flunked out of nursery school, did you? That explains a lot about you!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 02:10 PM

..and you Bozos think that Obama is the 'second coming'.....problem is, he backs up his 'opinions' with links..and this time with a socialist site!...(probably just to throw it in your faces!).
You just pooh-pooh him with NOTHING to back your gibberish, but left-over talking point tactics and whiny accusations.

If there is one thing that political hacks hate is FACTS! That being said, who knows if the 'wsws' is accurate, either. One thing FOR SURE, you are NOT!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 03:45 PM

". . . political hacks hate is FACTS!"

True, Goofy. That's why you and Songwronger avoid them like the plague and get your crapolla from sources like that.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 04:53 PM

Hey ding-dong, hey FFS. You want another shutdown? Fuck are you stupid.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 05:18 PM

"Fertility and Family Survice," Richard?

How does that apply?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 05:43 PM

Here we go again...a bunch of non-informative childish attempts at insults with not ONE fucking fact to back up ANY of your blathering!

Get a clue...IT ISN'T working!

Meanwhile, while the present con-man in chief spouts about 'financial inequalities' this administration has done more to widen the divide, attack private entrepreneurs, and lie about it all the way!

First it was 'cash for clunkers' now it's Obamacare....hmmm...sounds like an evolution from used car salesman to insurance salesman.

Way to go TEAM!
The average premiums have gone UP 42%....real "Affordable".
Just another crock of shit with a deceptive name for all his drooling, blathering idiot devotees!

Thank you for 'helping the needy'!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Songwronger
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 11:01 PM

OK, now that the flatulence is out of the way....

Obama SAID he is willing to cut off unemployment benefits. He SAID he is willing to cut social security and Medicare.

I even gave you reportage from the World Socialist Website on that FACT.

The problem is, your guy Obama isn't what he promised he would be. He claims to be a populist, but he serves the monied interests. You "liberals" know you've been screwed and tattooed by Obama, and the only thing you know how to do is ask for more.

Break free of your conditioning. It's easy to do. The only thing holding your back is the opinion of the herd. Obama lies to you daily. Fuck him and his kind. Fuck the Bushes. Fuck the Clintons. They all lie, 24/7. They count on your fear. Grow a pair. Resist.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Songwronger
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 11:16 PM

For what it's worth, the World Socialist Website is Marxist. They support workers' causes. In doing that, they are honor-bound to point out the fascist tendencies of both the Democratic and Republican parties in America. Like myself, they gave Obama the benefit of the doubt at the beginning of his first term, but it quickly became apparent he was just more of the same, serving the 1%.

I'm a moderate, with FDR leanings. Moderate in America nowadays means fascist (like Obama's National Socialism), but I like the more leftist FDR style of rule. Obama's doing what he can to dismantle FDR's New Deal. While Democrats think he's upholding it. Power of the government-controlled media.

The good news is that young people aren't buying it anymore. The 18-24 age group is becoming virulently anti-Obama. They see the scam of Obamacare for what it is (buckets of money to the insurance companies, no insurance for the young), and Obama's losing that demographic. Maybe already has, in just two short weeks. And he won't get it back. Kids don't have as much invested in the system, and they call bullshit when they see it. So Obama's entering his phase of decrepitude. Hopefully he'll resign. Or overdose on crack.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 11:24 PM

Strange how all these atrocities Songwronger babbles on about (with Goofball, like a lapdog, licking Songwronger's—well, let's not get into that!) do not affect me, or any of the many people I know.

Where is all this happening?

Only on the "Hate Obama" websites Songwronger loves so much.

Sick.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 11:29 PM

Correction, Songwronger. It was Reagan who dismantled FDR's New Deal.

Learn a bit of history.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Dec 13 - 12:15 AM

Obama seems to be trying his best to reassemble it again, but the Republicans are hell-bent on trying to prevent him from doing it.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Dec 13 - 06:02 PM

Ah yes!....Remember how the Bushes ran to our rescue from the WMD's in Iraq....only to stuff the pockets of Halliburton? It seemed a noble enough 'cause'...you know, our 'national security'....but all along it was to save the dollar, and give as many of them to the 'evil empire' Halliburton.....and before that, it was Clinton, with another 'noble cause' reversing Glass-Steagal to help his mega-corp buddies, while under the guise of making home buying 'affordable', (yuk yuk, jokes on you!), and Papa Bush stuffing the pockets of Bechtel, while 'saving' us from another desert threat.......not to mention the AIG bailout, which our present 'savior' voted for.....hmm...ya' think he's still helping out those insurance corps, with the 'noble cause' rap???.....but our 'so-called liberal' buddies can't see it....because they only see that he is a (sorta) black prop puppet of the same ol' shit!....and if people don't like his policies, it's only because their racist, right????

You fucking suckers!

Oh, and don't forget the noble cause of Vietnam, with its 'Golden Triangle' to 'protect'...and Central America, who Reagan referred to the Contras as, "...the moral equivalent to our founding fathers."..(I think he meant, "...the moral equivalent to the Mafia.")...but it didn't sound noble enough.....when there was so much Coke to sell.

Are these 'mere coincidences'? Is it a mere coincidence that this shit comes with the support and appeal to which ever dumb-fuck party line they are courting...all for the sake of 'national security' and 'helping the disadvantaged'......

...and Don, if you weren't so disabled by your own moral turpitude, you might not be so vulnerable to swallowing their horse shit, either!

Something for ALL to think about....and BTW, Songwronger has it right, insofar as calling a spade a spade.

...and also, BTW, I clocked Obama was a bullshitter back in the first primaries, when I was referring to him as 'Oblabbo'...but as I told Amos, I'd cut him a tear slack......guess what???

Your Most Humble Servant,

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 10 Dec 13 - 06:07 PM

Correction: typo.....(last sentence)

It should read, "...I told Amos, I'd cut him a YEAR slack......guess what???

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Elmore
Date: 10 Dec 13 - 06:28 PM

So, if he cuts the SS benefits off at 99 weeks, he's Scrooge. If he extends them, he's a socialist. (not that there's anything wrong with that). What means this? As a resident of North Georgia (USA) I can tell you what it means. It means that the party of A. Lincoln is playing to the racists.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Dec 13 - 06:59 PM

Got it in one, Elmore. Nixon's "Southern Strategy" in spades.

And this bunch of current Republican assholes ain't nuthin' even close to "The Party Of Lincoln".


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Dec 13 - 10:07 PM

That's "moral rectitude," Goofball, but then I don't expect you to be able to tell the difference.

Your lack of political and ethical knowledge is truly a wonder to behold.

You fling around terms like "loony liberals" and you obviously don't know anything about Liberal philosophy and ethics. And obviously, you've never heard of, much less read, the works of John Locke and John Stuart Mill.

Goofball, didn't your mother ever tell you not to use words if you don't understand what they mean?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 01:34 AM

Here, dipshit....


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 01:48 AM

Doesn't apply. What you apparently think you know, you've got all bass-ackwards, but then, that's to be expected from you.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Larry The Radio Guy
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 04:02 AM

I do wish Obama could have had the guts to stand up to the Republicans.....as he did with the government shut down.

I wonder what would have happened if he had.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 05:17 AM

Republicans?? Democrats??...That's for you guys. Representing corporations and bankers is what politicians are about. Lying to the public to pull it off is what the last few administrations are about. Low level political hacks/wannabe activists, are those deluded devotees who carry on the lies, justify the lies, and sometimes even believe the lies. This is self evident right before your very eyes!..whether it is Bush's devotees, Clinton's devotees or Obama's devotees....but the 'rub' is when you find out that YOU were one of the dupes, who bought into the corruption cycle...(It's all tied into 'moral turpitude', Don).

A PERFECT example of it is the thread "RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?"..Note the exchange between Don Firth and 'Nobody in Particular'(NiP) ...'NiP's only real objection was that Obama lied to promote the ACA....and look at the treatment he/she received, and accusations and spinning into the land of contortions Don went through, while embarrassing the whole of Mudcat's posters!...but the simple fact remains, that Obama lied, and the insurance companies now have a law forcing people to buy their shit, at a higher price, that they don't need, want...or for that matter, even get! ..I was away from the computer for a few weeks, but when I got back on, I was astounded when I read the thread...and NO, Don and Ebbie...NiP and I are not the same people...I don't think I could have been that polite and patient while dealing with Mr. Turpitude, that long!..while he bold faced lied his way to the end of the thread!!!...and when he wasn't lying, he was justifying Obama's lying!!
...not that I want to pick on Don, but he is a perfect example, in that (among other) threads, of how corrupt politicians hide behind 'noble causes' while forcing crooked agendas!!
READ the thread..it'll blow you away, as to the tactics of how bullshit gets spread!...NiP had government healthcare, he/she even called for people to make constructive suggestions..he/she had no issues with the ACA bill, other than the deception used to promote it...and look how they threw every bullshit tactic out of the 'so-called liberals' playbook at him/her!!

Suggestion:..Get a fucking life!

How long have I been harping on about 'corruption'??....five years or so??....How many times have you seen the words, 'so-called liberals'??? I hope it's starting to sink in, that some of you have been had. Some of you actually THOUGHT that Obama was really a 'progressive liberal'....how else could he have got traction to pull off one of the most massive scams in U.S. history????...well maybe he had some competition..Clinton, Glass-Steagal and NAFTA, Bush with Desert Storm and "Read MY Lips....(blah blah blah...), and before that, Bush/Clinton with Mena, Arkansas, gun and drug running with the Contras, then Iran/Contra...Oh, and Bechtel and Halliburton, Blackwater and WMD's..JUST FOR STARTERS!...and all these had global ramifications.....while the political hack/devotees prattle on, on how 'they know better' and everyone else is stupid!.....Oh, and one more detail......those things I listed are just a fraction of the bullshit that represents America to the rest of the world!!!
NiP was dead on, as was Songwronger in that thread. (I bailed earlier because I was involved in some serious music stuff).
Personally, I don't give a flying fuck about politics one way or the other. It's too confusing keeping track of all the bullshit that they stir up everybody with...let alone what they are really doing, behind the curtain....who they are shafting, and who their crony capitalist ventures are out to screw..THIS TIME!

Meanwhile, the Rockefellers think that the Chinese have the ideal model....FOR YOU!!!..not them...I wonder how they'll package that happy horse shit.

...as for me....I'm not with the party..I'm with the band.
It's all clear to me.....I'm not the one deluding myself with 'noble causes'...and advising others that the new con, is the path for the future...and all "us wise people know what's better for all the peasants".

If that were the case, play folk music.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 02:03 PM

Alzo Sprake ignoramus.

To simply say that "all politicians are corrupt!" and condemn anyone else who endeavors to work in the political system to change things is very easy.

And the lazy coward's way to avoid the effort of getting involved.

It IS POSSIBLE for an individual to bring about substantial changes.

Goofball, have you ever actually worked on a political campaign? No, I didn't think so. Well, I've worked on several.

I helped pass two important and far-reaching environmental issues in Washington State that helped diminish pollution in the State and save the tax-payers a vast amount of money, both in taxes and utility bills.

I also spoke out so eloquently at a precinct meeting that I was asked to become a delegate to the State Convention. I was unable to accept, but I made a good, strong point that later became enacted into law.

I also worked on the campaign of a candidate for the Seattle City Council who, although he didn't win, garnered enough votes to make the incumbent change his policies.

So, Wrongsonger--and Goofball--what are YOU doing, other than saying "They're all the same!" (which they are NOT) and "A pox on both their houses!" ???

And flicking your usual snot-balls at people who are actually doing something in the world to improve things?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 05:42 PM

Well, in keeping with the topic, "RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy"...you should contact the White House and have them send you a full length mirror and a jar of Vaseline....then you could waste your time again!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 06:06 PM

Because of my actions a few years back, in cooperation with other like-minded people, the citizens of the State of Washington are paying lower taxes than they would have to pay if the measure I worked on hadn't gone through

And we'd have several expensive nuclear power plants in the state, costing us much more for electrical power than our current CLEAN hydropower, and cranking out tons of nuclear waste that no one seems to know what to do with.

And (this will be of special interest to you) one of the candidates whom I campaigned for was instrumental in the passage of Washington State's new same-sex marriage law.

Why don't you just take your jar of Vaseline, grease up your whole body, and slide smoothly off the end of nearest pier? Do the whole world a favor.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Elmore
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 06:06 PM

GFS: A gift for the needy. Just got a "free" flask from the Drambuie company as a Christmas gift. It looks sort of cheesy, but if you come to the house I'll give it to you. The wife thinks it may be hazardous to my health.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 06:15 PM

Nah! Goofball is more the Thunderbird wine type. Often seen being drunk (!) by those wine connoisseurs in back alleys, leaning against Dumpsters. Best drunk straight from the bottle still wrapped in the paper bag.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Elmore
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 06:38 PM

Thundebird, Wild Irish Rose. Used to drink them when I was 16 like they were top shelf. Never heard about weed in the mid fifties. If I'd known I was going to live this long .......


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 09:17 PM

I am not too sure what focus you use on the world Mr."WrongSong?"

However, all of the USA media are reporting an even greater extension of unemployment benefits.

Whitehouse Press Release


Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Move on over... there is plenty of slop in the public trough for us all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Songwronger
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 10:35 PM

Regardless of what happens with unemployment benefits, Obama SAID he's willing to cut them. And he said he's willing to cut Medicare and Social Security.

Those positions are supposed to belong to the opposition party.

Obama is a hypocrite and he serves the monied interests, same as his "opposition."


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 11:37 PM

Gargoyle, I read your link, however it only describes the current situation, and has an argument for the extension....but it does not say that the extension is a done deal. Songwronger's link was to the socialist web site, reporting that somehow they are privy to the outcome, which says that the WH gave in and folded on the matter.
today on the news, it sounded like there's going to be a compromise. I didn't get all the details, but it sounded like a 'give and take', but I didn't catch the status of the unemployment extensions. Ask Don...he'll make it up if he doesn't know for sure..and you'll probably like it....I think.

GfS

P.S. I don't drink, but rarely...and it better be good!


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Larry the Radio Guy
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 11:42 PM

My understanding is that the extension didn't go through. I think it was from a report on MSN.......I'm not sure.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 01:33 AM

Yeah, I think that's what I'm getting too...
Wouldn't that be a kick in the ass...Songwronger posts a link from a Socialist site....while the White House's link is just more smoke and mirrors.....why this should surprise anyone shows you just how far out of touch their 'reality' is.....but, of course, they think you're stupid, and they know what's good for you!!!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Larry the Radio Guy
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 02:29 AM

Smoke and mirrors? Maybe. But I doubt if it's that simple. I've little doubt that Obama made a good pitch for the extension.

But it got lost in the political world of 'compromise'. I suspect Don Firth is right when he says

"Obama seems to be trying his best to reassemble it (FDR's New Deal) again, but the Republicans are hell-bent on trying to prevent him from doing it"

And I think songwronger's also right.......he's sold out a bunch of needy people by signaling his agreement to this cuts.

Personally I wish he weren't such a 'politician' and that he were willing to really stand up for what he purports to believe in.

But I'm not party to all the details. It would be interesting to hear from somebody who has more information about exactly what happened.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 02:51 AM

Larry the Radio Guy: "Personally I wish he weren't such a 'politician' and that he were willing to really stand up for what he purports to believe in."

..and what is that????
The guy has lied so much, who can tell???

I think you'd have a better 'clue' if you knew who he was Really working for.....as the song goes,
"The voice of deception has uneven rhythms,
listen to the man who's afraid
...the man who's afraid has all sorts of answers,
(vote for me, vote for me)
to the problems, within his own head.
the threat fro the 'outside' is now, and forever alive...."~~~Paul 'Biff' Rose

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 01:28 PM

The last post was mine.

SPEAKING OF WHICH:
According to this, unemployment figures went WAY down

But according to this..something is all bullshit!

So the confusion is because of more lies about the figures.....and neither 'side'(?) is doing or saying diddly-squat, which leads me to once again allude....it's all showbiz, and they're in it together!..and once again, the people including yourselves, are being duped BIG TIME.

Don would approve........except he doesn't know squat, either!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 02:28 PM

Goofball, I see you got yourself one of those cheap crystal balls from WalMart.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 04:02 PM

Are you alluding that a "cheap crystal balls from WalMart", is more accurate than White House press releases??
Your problem is that you seem to base most of your 'opinions' on bold face lies..and then personally attack those who don't buy into your bullshit, parroted or otherwise.

Truth is, you should have just stuck to music.
**************************************************************************

Now back to the issue at hand...

Songwronger's original post and topic of the thread was: "By the administration's own figures, allowing the federally-funded extended benefit program to expire will end cash assistance for 1.3 million people immediately after the holidays and impact an additional 3.6 million people in the first half of 2014.

With this cruel and callous act, Obama and the Democratic Party are prepared to join with the Republicans in condemning nearly 5 million people and their families to destitution. In prior recessions, emergency unemployment benefits, beyond the standard aid offered by the states, have never been terminated when unemployment remained at such high levels as those prevailing today....

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/12/07/obam-d07.html

Are we not fortunate to have such a caring leader? He kills with starvation, not a sword, so he is humane. And in his humanity he has already offered to aid us by cutting social security and Medicare:

Amid government shutdown, Obama signals cuts to Social Security, Medicare. "

Guess what???........HE IS CORRECT!!

To which, these are some of the replies that the idiot-lugs responded to him:

From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 01:02 AM

"Another ladleful from Songwronger's septic tank."

From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 01:26 AM

"Amazing how much worse he is than the Republicans..."

From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 02:01 AM

"Do you actually believe that, Songwronger? If you do, check this, Weekly Address Calling on Congress to Extend Unemployment Benefits and if you don't, well, there's nothing I can say that hasn't been said before..."

From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 09:59 AM

"Uh Huh. Just like Rupe Murdoch & FOX."

From: Richard Bridge
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 04:53 PM

"Hey ding-dong, hey FFS. You want another shutdown? Fuck are you stupid."

From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Dec 13 - 01:32 PM

"Goofballupagus, Songwronger is totally biased against President Obama, and if he could find some arch-conservative fundamentalist website claiming that they had Scriptural proof that Obama is the Anti-Christ and that Armageddon is imminent, he would post THAT.

THAT IS NOT NEWS, that is someone's half-assed, biased opinion!

True, I have worked as a broadcast news editor and director. And I learned how to determine whether or not a supposed news source was biased or reliable. It's not that difficult for anyone with a functioning brain.

But anyone with as much as a nursery school education should be able to smell pure, unadulterated excrement when they encounter it.

Flunked out of nursery school, did you? That explains a lot about you!"

From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 02:03 PM

Alzo Sprake ignoramus.....

I also spoke out so eloquently"

From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 09:17 PM

"I am not too sure what focus you use on the world Mr."WrongSong?"

However, all of the USA media are reporting an even greater extension of unemployment benefits.

Whitehouse Press Release"

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Actually, if some of you weren't so governed by lies and deception, and then go on promoting more lies and deception, you'd think you'd be thanking Songwronger for telling you the truth accurately. After all, how can you know what the fuck is really going on when your idiot opinions are based on a long series of lies and deceptions???

Oh!...Now that you've been shown to have been clearly 'in error', (polite-speak for 'full of shit') let's resort to personal attacks, on the order of the 'so-called liberal' playbook of avoiding a discussion aiming to get to the truth....truth...you know?...truth??

Maybe someone should explain what that is.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 04:04 PM

By the way, Thank you, Songwronger. Your post was right.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 04:12 PM

Goofballupagus wastes a lot of bandwidth here on Mudcat, but at least it keeps him off the streets.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 04:50 PM

The latest http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/12/11/250181443/extended-unemployment-benefits-on-track-to-expire-dec-28

Obama does NOT favor this... Republican congress is dragging their feet and trying to get stupid concessions stuffed into the bill before they'll vote for extensions... it actually MAY expire and have to be revisited after the 1st of the year.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 05:55 PM

If he doesn't favor it, he can always veto it.

...And Don, shut up. Between your posts with 'Nobody in Particular', on the Obamacare thread, and your nastiness on this thread, your credibility is gone.....and you did it to yourself!
.....(for all those who bought into your horse-crap at ANY time).
It's all there for all to read...what other proof does anyone need????

Waving,

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 05:59 PM

Please explain to me how pretty much all of Songwrongers OP's should not be combined into one thread under the topic Alarmist Nonsense Slagging the PotUS?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 06:09 PM

Regarding my credibility and whatever your call your aimless blatherings, Goofy, I'll leave it to the intelligence of other posters on these threads to decide who it is who spends most of his time with his head in the toilet.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Songwronger
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 06:15 PM

Obama's preferred method of inflicting austerity on the American people is "Don't throw me in the briar patch." From the Uncle Remus stories. Obama pretends to be against something he actually favors. He's an elitist who hates us commoners, but he has to keep up the deception that he gives a damn, so he blames the Republicans for making him do things. Playground stuff. It's shameful that grownups fall for it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 06:32 PM

Blaming the Republicans is just a ploy, as to disguise the fact that both parties are involved WITH each other to take America down a notch or two....That being said, the main fault of both the Republicans AND the Democrats, is NEITHER have been truthful....and they have been bought off. Virtually ALL of them are 'over somebody's barrel', thus crippling any of them to execute their office honestly.
Did you ever wonder WHY, Dennis Kucinich caved in on the Obamacare pressure, to vote for it....and then didn't bother to even run again???
I bet you dollars to doughnuts he KNOWS EXACTLY what the bullshit is, and has chosen NOT to play!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 07:46 PM

During times like this, a picture is worth a thousand words!!

Oh...and don't forget to read the caption....

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 09:44 PM

Now I know that to some, you may think I'm just down on Obama...which I'm really not, but some seem to think that...so, in fairness to the President, I think it should be the right thing to do to hold up one stellar achievement that he did accomplish effectively.. Fair enough??

Hats off to a job well done!

...and the actual results of the survey....

Who needs to say more????

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Dec 13 - 02:55 AM

..and one more, for the road......


...and to answer Don Firth's pedantic comment: "To simply say that "all politicians are corrupt!" and condemn anyone else who endeavors to work in the political system to change things is very easy."


Here, from FIVE YEARS ago:

Subject: RE: BS: Mommy, Where Do Lies Come From?
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Oct 08 - 01:20 AM

Only a complete moron, supremely endowed with a supernatural capacity for stupidity, would believe ANY politician is capable of telling the truth......especially when seeking office!!....only rivaled, by a political supporter, who can discern the difference, by his, or her candidate!!

Etched in stone!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Elmore
Date: 13 Dec 13 - 01:57 PM

GFS: There's an exception to every rule, even the rule you invented above. In all of his years in political life, as mayor of Burlington,Vt., a member of the U.S. House of representatives, and a U. S. Senator, I've never known Bernie to act or vote in a manner contrary to his beliefs. I believe him to be a man of honesty and integrity. Furthermore, he manages to maintain his dignity in an increasingly hostile political enviornment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Dec 13 - 01:58 PM

Pure, unadulterated bull manure!

Having actually worked in political campaigns, I know—personally—several representatives to the Washington State legislature, and one national Congressional Representative. I correspond with my two Senators, and along with receiving feed-back from them, I follow their voting records to make sure they do what they say they're going to do.

Like any good citizen, I keep up on what the government is doing. And I campaign and vote accordingly. I don't just whine, bitch, and complain like you do.

I know for a fact—having, like a good citizen, paid attention to the actual doings of my representatives—that most politicians have a great deal of integrity and are honest. One may not always agree with them and the positions they take on various issues, but come election time, you take all of that into consideration and vote accordingly.

Of course, some people are too flaming lazy to do that because it's a whole lot easier and takes no thought at all to simply condemn political figures entirely.

You, Goofball, are not just a complete waste of space as a human being, you are a lousy citizen and an ignoramus3!!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Dec 13 - 02:21 PM

Now how can I believe you, Don, when you are a known liar. Did you fail to read the second part of the post?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Larry The Radio Guy
Date: 13 Dec 13 - 02:50 PM

I must confess that the 'sanity' in Guest From Sanity's recent posts in this thread appear to have escaped me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Dec 13 - 03:10 PM

I am a "known liar?" THAT? From YOU!??

You'll have to document that, dipshit.

And what second part of which post? You type so much pure blather, it's hard to distinguish it from the brainless vocalizing of a yapping dog!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Elmore
Date: 13 Dec 13 - 03:37 PM

Woof.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Dec 13 - 05:25 PM

I will NOT spend an hour dissecting GfS posts to show the logical flaws and extended innuendo.
The only thing Don Firth is guilty of is speaking him mind in an...ummm... 'explicit' manner. He has been here for years, making sense and adding clear analysis supported by facts.....in contrast to vague and/or wild speculation by a few others.

DO note, GfS how many agree with me on this.....but, of course, you'll just attribute this to "liberal folkies" acting like brainwashed sheep.

Baa!


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Dec 13 - 05:52 PM

Bill, thank you for the kind words.

Goofus! Take note!

There are sheep. And then, there are SHEEP!!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 12:52 AM

Don,
You asked for me to 'document it'????....and LO and behold, turn on the computer, and look what thread has popped up again..and not by me.

....and look what got posted by a non-partisan person on socialized healthcare....

Subject: RE: BS: So who's signed up for Obamacare?
From: GUEST,Nobody in Particular
Date: 15 Nov 13 - 12:44 PM

"Anybody who lies, distorts, misinforms, twists, spins, manipulates and then resorts to defaming other's character by name calling, slanderous remarks, and false accusations, ALWAYS LOSES because it is just a matter of time before the truth comes out and when it does the foolish behaviour of the one who employs such tactics is revealed for what it is, and when that is revealed then the employer of such tactics is also revealed as a fool!

That was simple. That was so simple that even a simpleton could understand it. Were you able to get it?

Meanwhile after reviewing this thread I still did not criticise the bill but merely voice disapproval of the lies surrounding it. Lies that you not only approve of but have repeated. This is foolishness. Only a fool would disagree.

Wouldn't you be shocked if the Republicans offering a 'fix' decide to enter a bill for a single payer plan? Though I don't think so much that they would, it would not surprise me."

Now, for anyone interested, click on that thread, and watch 'Nobody in Particular' try to reason with Firth to stop with his false statements...spinning and 'twisting'.....not only that Don accused 'NiP' of being both 'Songwronger' and me....for the sole reason is that in this thread(I was on earlier, then later had to be involved with some serious studio work) all of us were telling the truth....and that just didn't fly with Don!
Also, 'Nip' called Don on another lie, when Don falsely accused 'Nip' of 'praising GfS(me), when clearly he never did. 'NiP' tells Don to 'show where that was'....no answer from Don.... You also reiterated Obama's lie, saying it was true, which you got slammed on by 'NiP'.......(BTW, what you were saying was true, just got voted The Lie of the Year' by 'Politifact' ......PLUS....well just re-read the thread. Watch the interaction, and Don throwing every conceivable and deceitful playbook tactic at 'NiP'....and frankly Don got demolished!

......which caused 'NiP' to post: "Anybody who lies, distorts, misinforms, twists, spins, manipulates and then resorts to defaming other's character by name calling, slanderous remarks, and false accusations, ALWAYS LOSES because it is just a matter of time before the truth comes out and when it does the foolish behaviour of the one who employs such tactics is revealed for what it is, and when that is revealed then the employer of such tactics is also revealed as a fool!"


....and how prophetically true that turned out to be!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, Don....as 'NiP' tried to point out to you several times, when you seem to be losing the argument....you try to turn the thread into being 'all about you'..............and you are still doing it!...and, believe me, YOU are NOT "Obama's Christmas gift to the needy".....unless of course you thought the thread was about you because preceding "Obama's Christmas gift to the needy" it says "BS"!!!

REVIEW that thread...check it out...and share the embarrassment!

Now, back to the topic???

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 01:46 AM

Goofball, I stand by everything I said.

I say YOU are the LIAR!

But I'll let others judge for themselves which of us is the liar

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 01:55 AM

Firth: "Goofball, I stand by everything I said."

So What???
Go review the Obamacare thread....then let them judge what a slimy manipulator you are.....and then remember...this thread is NOT about you and your lies, justifying your other lies, justifying Obama's lies.

Just remember 'moral turpitude'...but then you're not even honest with yourself to spot it!

Take a stroll back through that thread. It's so fucking obvious and out front I can't believe you are pretending to be that fucking blind and stupid.......

......but then maybe I can...you're well practiced at it!....you even believe your own press!

Delusional psychopathic!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Elmore
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 12:16 PM

Kumbaya.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 01:13 PM

You're RAVING, Goofball.

Go find some traffic to play in.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 01:17 PM

Firth: "You're RAVING, Goofball.
Go find some traffic to play in."

...but at least I ain't lyin'!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 01:41 PM

Neither am I. But YOU wouldn't know the difference.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 02:25 PM

(In calm conversational tones)

Sure I do...but you don't seem to differentiate between what actually is, versus how you want it to be. What may be 'true' according to one's hopeful agenda, is very often not true when it comes to what really is.

'NiP' brought a a great point on that very issue, although he/she worded it a bit different.
In the Obamacare thread, you pointed out that Obama's ultimate goal was a 'single payer plan', (which if you'll remember I previously said would have been better than this stupid mess we have now), and 'NiP' pointed out that if that was the case, the Obama administration could have gone straight to that, being, at the time, the Dems had control of both Houses of Congress, and there was no obstruction from the Repubs to do just that....in which case, Obama and crew has deceived not only the majority of Americans...but even the Democrats as well!!...(well those who actually read the bill, as opposed to going along with strict partisan lines. Dennis Kucinich actually read it, and was opposed to it, in favor of a single payer plan, as well. Though he was pressured by the Obama Administration to sign on to it, but he chose not to run again, as I previously noted. The fact that he did that, tells us that he knew 'something was rotten in Denmark'.

All that being said, instead of calling it as it really is, you've been 'supportive' of Obama's deceitful tactics, which, as I previously noted, deceived the Democrats as well....to the point that the next election, they lost the majority of the House of Reps...and are looking at a grim midterm election, as well.
What we do know, is that the present law, forces people into a system which seems to jack up premium rates for everyone, while raising deductibles so high, that people essentially are as without coverage at all....now that is as plain as day...and it is true. Because of this slight of hand, it will ultimately be the 'people' who will decide, by not enrolling at all....and as 'Nip' noted so very eloquently, ""Anybody who lies, distorts, misinforms, twists, spins, manipulates and then resorts to defaming other's character by name calling, slanderous remarks, and false accusations, ALWAYS LOSES because it is just a matter of time before the truth comes out and when it does the foolish behaviour of the one who employs such tactics is revealed for what it is, and when that is revealed then the employer of such tactics is also revealed as a fool!

That was simple. That was so simple that even a simpleton could understand it. Were you able to get it?

Meanwhile after reviewing this thread I still did not criticise the bill but merely voice disapproval of the lies surrounding it. Lies that you not only approve of but have repeated. This is foolishness. Only a fool would disagree."

Have you noticed that the public is just 'rushing out' to enroll in massive droves to take advantage of this 'wonderful' program????

At the very best, it was a shoddy attempt at cronyism....and why you have defended this practice of deceit by the administration, certainly reflects back onto you. You may argue that the Dems did it to get around Repubs obstacles...but that is just a fascicle talking point...the Dems had no obstruction to getting it passed, other than the few in their own party who actually read the bill!

So, in coming full circle, I reiterate, "but you don't seem to differentiate between what actually is, versus how you want it to be. What may be 'true' according to one's hopeful agenda, is very often not true when it comes to what really is."

If you could get passed your arrogance and stubbornness, how could you disagree?

As a side note, I've always maintained that both the major parties are corrupt...and this is just another display of it.

There is NO excuse for it..so don't make one...or don't use theirs.
(It'll make you out to be a 'liar').

Calmly,

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 02:36 PM

Correction:(typo)

What I posted as: "At the very best, it was a shoddy attempt at cronyism....and why you have defended this practice of deceit by the administration, certainly reflects back onto you. You may argue that the Dems did it to get around Repubs obstacles...but that is just a fascicle talking point...the Dems had no obstruction to getting it passed, other than the few in their own party who actually read the bill!"

Should read: "At the very best, it was a shoddy attempt at cronyism....and why you have defended this practice of deceit by the administration, certainly reflects back onto you. You may argue that the Dems did it to get around Repubs obstacles...but that is just a FARCICAL talking point...the Dems had no obstruction to getting it passed, other than the few in their own party who actually read the bill!"

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 02:44 PM

Goofus, your so-called analysis of the political situation and what you assume is my view of it is so off the mark it verges on the asinine.

You are merely revealing how little you really understand of what's happening.

I haven't the time to educate you and it would be a futile attempt anyway.

Why don't you just drop it and go play your ukulele for awhile?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 03:20 PM

Firth: "Goofus, your so-called analysis of the political situation and what you assume is my view of it is so off the mark it verges on the asinine."

Only going by what you've said your position was....even put what you've said in quotation marks.

Firth: "You are merely revealing how little you really understand of what's happening."

What do YOU think is Really happening, then?

Firth: "I haven't the time to educate you and it would be a futile attempt anyway."

Perhaps you could explain it to ANYONE out there, in 'Mudcat-land', perhaps you could 'enlighten' them...because as it looks now, you've been busted bigger than shit!

Firth: "Why don't you just drop it and go play your ukulele for awhile?"

Piano..And there is a major (and rather prestigious) ballet company expressing interest in one piece in particular....actually I thought that ironic, because I never thought of it as a piece for ballet.

Go ahead...give us all the 'big picture'....See if you can do it, without resorting to biased misinformation....Oh, and does it include more deception....or freedom and liberty for all under a true Democracy?...Does it include 'We the People' having a say in it?...or MORE crony capital corruption?

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 04:24 PM

Ahem(clears throat)....speaking of, "If you could get passed your arrogance and stubbornness............"

I know!..You're the ONLY one who knows what is good for us all, and just to stubborn to let us all in on it!...because it's too good for us, and we just can't understand that!

You should run for dictator!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 05:31 PM

FFS= Fugitive from Sanity" - he is barking mad.

Right. Two simple things.   Maybe even Ding-dong and FFS can understand.

1. A proper NHS or even a single payer solution ( a la Kucinich - a sensible man) was not a possible solution.

Remember - "politics, the art of the possible"?

2. The alternative, at the time, to discussing a compromise on unemployment benefit was another shutdown.

WHICH BIT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? THE PROBLEM IS NOT OBAMA. IT IS THE REPUBLICAN AND TEA-POTTY WANKERS WHO WOULD RATHER DESTROY THE UNION THAN LET ANYTHING >ANYTHING< HE PROPOSES PASS.

Just like you two morons.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 07:24 PM

Richard Bridge to Nowhere...

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Elmore
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 08:43 PM

Soporific. Plenty of serious fights on Showtime tonight, not to mention that lightweight, Judy Collins on line on Concert Window.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 09:52 PM

Forgive them, Richard. They broke out of their padded cells and the nurses haven't come around to collect them yet. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama's Christmas gift to the needy
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 10:09 PM

Thanks Elmore..we love Judy Collins. Check out her songs, 'Albatross' and 'The Blizzard'

GfS


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