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Songwronger 11 Dec 13 - 08:09 PM
Songwronger 11 Dec 13 - 08:13 PM
GUEST,gillymor 11 Dec 13 - 08:48 PM
Don Firth 11 Dec 13 - 09:04 PM
Ebbie 11 Dec 13 - 09:22 PM
Songwronger 11 Dec 13 - 10:28 PM
Don Firth 12 Dec 13 - 01:04 AM
skarpi 12 Dec 13 - 01:59 AM
GUEST, Ebbie 12 Dec 13 - 02:08 AM
MartinRyan 12 Dec 13 - 02:57 AM
Wesley S 12 Dec 13 - 08:45 AM
Bill D 12 Dec 13 - 11:06 AM
GUEST 12 Dec 13 - 11:46 AM
Ebbie 12 Dec 13 - 12:56 PM
Donuel 12 Dec 13 - 01:05 PM
Don Firth 12 Dec 13 - 01:53 PM
Jack Campin 12 Dec 13 - 03:08 PM
GUEST 12 Dec 13 - 04:15 PM
Don Firth 12 Dec 13 - 04:19 PM
GUEST 12 Dec 13 - 04:28 PM
Songwronger 12 Dec 13 - 06:02 PM
Don Firth 12 Dec 13 - 06:33 PM
skarpi 12 Dec 13 - 07:03 PM
skarpi 13 Dec 13 - 01:52 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 13 Dec 13 - 01:27 PM
Bill D 13 Dec 13 - 05:11 PM
Songwronger 13 Dec 13 - 10:48 PM
Don Firth 13 Dec 13 - 11:13 PM
GUEST,olddude 13 Dec 13 - 11:28 PM
GUEST,gillymor 14 Dec 13 - 09:55 AM
GUEST 14 Dec 13 - 10:44 AM
Bill D 14 Dec 13 - 11:29 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 14 Dec 13 - 01:15 PM
Don Firth 14 Dec 13 - 01:45 PM
Don Firth 14 Dec 13 - 05:34 PM
Bill D 14 Dec 13 - 06:11 PM
GUEST 14 Dec 13 - 06:32 PM
Van 14 Dec 13 - 06:46 PM
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GUEST,Alive and Kicking 15 Dec 13 - 03:07 PM
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Subject: BS: Obama and the EMP
From: Songwronger
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 08:09 PM

It looks as if Obama tried to snatch some nukes from Dyess Air Force Base, but some military brass threw a wrench in his plans. Interesting 7-minute video below, Dr. Jim Garrow. He says Obama's plan was to detonate 3 nukes above America and blame the resultant electromagnetic pulse (EMP) on "solar flares.":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWV9TeviChc&feature=youtube_gdata

The EMP would have knocked out the electrical grid, computing, your electronics in your car...basically everything. Some sources say that 9 out of 10 Americans would have died within a year.

I wonder if the Republicans made him do this thing too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP
From: Songwronger
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 08:13 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWV9TeviChc&feature=youtube_gdata


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 08:48 PM

Gee Willikers Wrong-O, this looks serious. Where can I sign the impeachament petition?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 09:04 PM

Poor Songwronger!

'Nuff said.

Pathetic!!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 09:22 PM

I just spent 30 minutes of my life reading the allegations and comments of a number of very sick people, beginning with Dr. Jim Garrow.

Think about it, Wringer: if Garrow was correct, i.e. sane, do you think that the Obama Administration would have let him live?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP
From: Songwronger
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 10:28 PM

Obama has never provided proof of American citizenship.

Obama is a third generation Marxist.

Obama regularly ducks mention of God in statements and displays no sign of being a Christian.

In short, I believe a foreign-born Muslim Marxist would unleash an EMP attack on America if given a chance.

The good thing here is that if Obama really did this, then he's probably not long for this earth. Trying to gank 300 million Americans (including the families of the military) will earn him a short, sharp salvo.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 01:04 AM

Songwronger, go see a psychiatrist.

You are RANTING!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: skarpi
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 01:59 AM

New World Order , Don ..

people have right to think out of box , they don´t need to go and see
psychiatrist.

And what do we know what NSA , NASA and CIA are doing ? we did not know about all the phone tapping around the world at NSA did we ? .

Nei what ever happens in the future take care all and stay save
and may god be with us all in those time to come ....
all the best from cold north atlantic ocean Island
Skarpi


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: GUEST, Ebbie
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 02:08 AM

No, friend Skarpi, Don Firth is right. Anyone who chooses to believe that this government is planning anything like what is proposed here is suffering from sickness.

You can take that to the bank.

(Of course, I don't believe that SongWronger believes it for a minute; I think he is a sick puppy but he isn't crazy.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: MartinRyan
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 02:57 AM

Welcome back, Mudcat! ;>(>

Regards


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: Wesley S
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 08:45 AM

I suspect Songwronger has been reading this series of books because that's exactly the plot device that it lays out. They don't use Obama's name but it's pretty clear that's who they're talking about.

Going Home

The authors name is listed as "A. American". I suspect like Songwronger that he's too embarrassed to use his real name associated with these ideas.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 11:06 AM

" Some sources say that 9 out of 10 " conspiracy theories are BS... and the rest are incoherent ramblings.

Not that it makes any difference to songwronger, who just parrots the far right of the Texas Tea Party, but his blusterings are just inventions:


"Obama has never provided proof of American citizenship."
The state of Hawaii has! You and other hate mongers just refuse to believe any proof that does not comply with your fantasies.

"Obama regularly ducks mention of God in statements and displays no sign of being a Christian."
He attended church in Chicago regularly and invokes God's blessings in almost every speech. There is video of him saying he 'accepts Jesus'...etc.

MARXIST?? That is beyond stupid! You have no idea what Marxism is!


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 11:46 AM

Don't ya think even the President might have difficulty getting American pilots to obey that kind of order?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 12:56 PM

We have approximately 330 million people in the US. The 30 million left after the "action" - presumably a good many of them politicians, advisers and administrative personnel - will probably not be in too good a shape; there tend to be fewer deaths in any 'action' than injuries, so there is a small problem there.

ALL of the 'survivors' will have families, extended families, friends, neighbors and co-workers who did not survive. That's all right, though; I imagine they all agreed that the end result would be worth it.

hahahhahhahhahahahahahhahahah


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 01:05 PM

OK I'll bite. Is this post intended for a diagnosis (below) or a thread about apocalypse movies?

I ranked Fail Safe second only to Dr. Strangelove which was based on actual policy potentials since a doomsday device was real and plan R did exist.

Honestly, we have come within half a minute of nuclear war by accident almost a couple dozen times already. Think of the forever obscure young man we all owe our lives to for failing to carry out an incorrect but proper order.

Deliberate atomic holocaustic war is always less likely than accidental war.

Songwrong, be careful to not cross the thin line between Martin Gibsonesque trollish attention craving and obsessional immersion into hate inspired paranoid psychosis. Even sane people can start believing their own lies which explains some if not most Republican politicians.

Yes even one person can change the world via urban legend or group think alterations but to what ends? It virtually never ends the way one imagines.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 01:53 PM

People like Songwronger and some other lovers of conspiracy theories (the tinfoil hat brigade) invariably ignore the fact that an operation that would involve a large number of people, such as the EMP plot—and, for that matter, the claim that the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Center were not Muslim terrorists but a U.S. government plot to get us into a war with Iraq—would invariably spawn potentially dozens of "whistle blowers" who, at the very least, would get lots of television interviews and a lucrative book deal out of it.

Something that would involve the number of people needed to bring off the alleged EMP plot (exploding nuclear bombs over the U.S.) would simply preclude any effort at secrecy. And who, of the nuclear physicists and either plane crews capable of bringing something like that off, or missile launch crews, would even be willing to engage in such a plot?

Another small problem:   a nuclear bomb does not always produce that strong an electromagnetic pulse. Remember the nuclear tests in the Nevada desert way back when? The resultant EMPs from the test explosions had no effect whatsoever on the plethora of lights in nearby Las Vegas.

No, this latest alleged plot attributed to President Obama by hysterical bigots like Songwronger just doesn't wash!

Terrible how pathological hatred can warp a mind.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: Jack Campin
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 03:08 PM

In case you needed any more evidence that Americans are nuts:

To Train Up a Child

Maybe if you've been brought up that way, you'd be primed to believe that Big Daddy in the White House might want to spank America's ass real hard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 04:15 PM

Well, somebody must know the guy in the white hair and beard. Where's his guitar? Looks like a folk singer if ever I saw one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 04:19 PM

Some Americans, Jack, but not all by a long shot.

Considering the amount of noise made by the nut-cases, it may be easy to miss the large number of voices of sanity crying in the wilderness.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 04:28 PM

That's just it, they're crying in the wilderness.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: Songwronger
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 06:02 PM

Some nukes went missing from Dyess AFB in Texas. A couple of days later Senator Graham of South Carolina said Charleston was going to be nuked. Then there was an event (4.5 on the Richter scale) off the coast of South Carolina. Putin of Russia said it was a nuclear device, but the U.S. governmet reported it as an earthquake. The two men in charge of America's nuclear arsenal were then fired by Obama.

That's a rough timeline of the events surrounding what Dr. Garrow is talking about.

He also describes a window of opportunity that comes once every 11 years, when the sun's poles flip. Because of the enormous solar activity at that time, EMPs from high-altitude nuclear detonations would be massively amplified. So, the physics are there, the technology is there, and an America-hating psychopath is in a position to do the deed. Everything necessary to carry this out is in place, but did Obama actually attempt it? I don't know. Garrow says he did. I tend to believe him, because Obama's history is still under lock and key. We don't know who he is or what he's capable of.

And regarding Obama's history, I expect most of you were told that Santa existed, by your parents. People you KNOW lied to you, and now you're going to believe a biography fed to you by people you don't know? By paid politicians who are notorious for lying? People on the payroll of the big banks? People who make it possible for the NSA to spy on you? People who pass laws saying you can be tortured to death if you're a "suspected" terrorist? It's time to grow up, just like you did with the Santa nonsense. Obama the American, the Christian, is no more real than Santa. Sorry to be the one to break it to you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 06:33 PM

This flipping of the sun's magnetic poles, accompanied by a temporary increase in sun-spot activity, is something that occurs every eleven years, so anyone who's been around for awhile has been through a number of such flips.

Business as usual.

Rather than a massive electromagnetic pulse that will disrupt electrical equipment here on earth, the incident will pass unnoticed--as it has once every eleven years--for millennia!

The only thing I recall about any of these events was once, when I was a kid, for a week or two there was a lot of static on the radio--an old Zenith console model--with several short-wave bands.

That's the only time I recall ever being aware that something was going on.

As far as an EMP emitted by the sun is concerned, the earth's atmosphere and the earth's own magnetic field tend to nullify that.

Much ado about a somewhat large--but very regular--astronomical event that most people don't even notice.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: skarpi
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 07:03 PM

I can not judge others

But once when Bill Clinton was a President he found out that
there was a Government inside his Government ? Amazing discovery :) ..

and this Government has a Black budget , so I ask who are those who are in this Black Government inside the Government ? .

Now I am just wondering around in my mind and my memory over the years because I like to follow the world news ,

in a good book it say´s - believe and you will see ...

all the best Skarpi Iceland who lives with the trolls and the thirteen
Julelads :) .


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: skarpi
Date: 13 Dec 13 - 01:52 AM

Oh and the ELF´s asked me to say hello to you all .

the first julelad has arrived to town , then we have twelve left to come until Christmas .

all the best Skarpi
P.s follow you re heart , never let other tell you what to believe or not .


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Dec 13 - 01:27 PM

Songwronger, normally you cite a source or post the link itself...this time you didn't, and though your post is pretty 'far out', nothing would surprise me anymore. Do you have a source? Firth posted Snopes, (one of the few rational things he's accomplished) which seems to dispel the story. Do you have another source, other than the one Snopes mentions.
I have no other thoughts on the matter, one way or the other.....even Ian Fleming got his ideas from 'somewhere'.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Dec 13 - 05:11 PM

*big grin*...I would suggest that everyone who cares READ the Snopes link! They make it pretty clear how ONE site embroiders a few odd events and then implies that it all represents something more sinister.....often totally distorting any original 'facts' in the process.

Go on Songwronger... read the damn thing! If you found one site that claimed up was now down, you'd stand on your head claiming that Obama had been messing with the Law of Gravity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: Songwronger
Date: 13 Dec 13 - 10:48 PM

Just do a search of "Snopes Soros" and you'll see why I don't bother with the site. Most "fact-checking" sites are politically biased. I've found that about 2/3rds are left-leaning, the others conservative. Say nope to Snopes.

Fascinating stuff about the Julelads, skarpi. Been reading about that tonight. Nice tradition. Far richer than the homogenized Santa Claus. I believe Santa was conceived of by advertisers, to be used for the purpose of selling crap at Christmastime. But the Julelads...fascinating folk stuff. Thanks for bringing up the subject.

GfS, I posted the link to the video at the start of this, and people can make what they want of it. If they want to investigate the timeline of the missing nukes, Charleston, the fired generals and all of that, the search engines are there. The dates and places are recorded on the internet. As for Lindsay Graham, it was really spooky for a U.S. Senator to be so specific about a nuke target (Charleston, in his home state of South Carolina). That made a bunch of people wonder what was going on. He made that claim at the height of the manufactured Syrian Invasion hysteria, when Obama was threatening the world with World War III. Graham may have been thinking small, thinking that Obama wanted to nuke a southern state in order to get his desired race war going at home and the war with Syria abroad. Who knows? It's disturbing that a U.S. senator can't conceive of something like a lunatic interloper in the white house using science and technology to bomb the U.S. back to steam power. What the hell do we pay those slobs for anyway? They need to protect us from psychos like Obama.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Dec 13 - 11:13 PM

Now, why am I not surprised that Songwronger feels impelled to badmouth sites like Snopes?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: GUEST,olddude
Date: 13 Dec 13 - 11:28 PM

a metal trash can over your head can be a good Faraday cage to protect you from the EMP


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 09:55 AM

you mean Wronger's tin foil hat is not sufficient protection?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 10:44 AM

It isn't tinfoil.It's aluminium.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 11:29 AM

He 'avoids' Snopes, which is careful and gives details about their analysis, but uses right wingnuts like Dr. Jim Garrow, who have just warped opinions, to toss about as if they were gospel.

"My mind is made up...don't confuse me with facts!"

If Obama cured cancer, invented nuclear fusion and walked on water, SW would say he's cheating and/or 'just showing off',


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 01:15 PM

Bill D: "If Obama cured cancer, invented nuclear fusion and walked on water....."

Shit! If even he would tell the truth...........

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 01:45 PM

The truth!??

Goofup, you wouldn't recognize the truth if it bit you on the butt!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: Don Firth
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 05:34 PM

"If Obama cured cancer, invented nuclear fusion and walked on water....."

Songwronger and the other Right-Wing-nuts (whether they acknowledge—or even know—that that's what they are) would accuse President Obama of robbing doctors of the right to charge exorbitant fees to try to keep cancer victims alive, spread deadly radioactivity around the earth, and pollute the earth's waters with his muddy Jesus boots.

You just can't win a discussion (wrangle) with these Tea Potty types, so there's no point in even trying. I don't concern myself with trying to change their minds because they don't have any minds to change.

My concern is for those who might, through ignorance of political philosophy and/or history, be naïve enough to think these Bozos are saying something significant.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 06:11 PM

Amen Don... that is mostly my goal/concern also. I DO also feel a certain morbid interest in making Songwronger and the other Right-Wing-nuts... and those who can't tell truth from fantasy... aware that some of us SEE their loopy reasoning! I don't do it every day, but really silly/dangerous conspiracy theories and outright slagging of a decent president should not go unanswered.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 06:32 PM

". . . and the other Right-Wing-nuts (whether they acknowledge—or even know—that that's what they are). . . ."

They are many of them simply people with a different view of things. The fact it doesn't square with your view may provide a bone of contention, but a running name-calling session? You gotta be kidding.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: Van
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 06:46 PM

Where would the planes land after they dropped the bombs?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Dec 13 - 07:44 PM

Dear 'guest'... "...simply people with a different view of things. " does not quite cover many of these situations. You will note they do not just claim that Obama.. or whoever they are against.. have a faulty vision or a wrong-headed path to what sane people agree on. They have a penchant for attributing evil, nasty motives to the policies of those they disagree with. They often do this despite clear, objective evidence that those policies are succeeding and that their targets are honest, fair humans trying their best to do what is right.

Constantly calling Obama a 'liar' with no evidence beyond a skewed interpretation of predefined objections shows a biased viewpoint with faulty premises. I said above I would not spend hours deconstructing the faulty reasoning involved, but anyone who knows a bit about logical "informal fallacies" can easily show the mistakes.

Note.. Songwronger and GfS and occasionally others, are constantly starting threads and making accusations based on surfing websites that already have a built in agenda of finding faults with Obama, Democrats, anyone they view as vaguely 'liberal' and anyone who agrees with such people.
Serious accusations require serious and clear proof... not implications, rhetorical questions, and labels which are merely mud-slinging! There is a LOT of that going on right now in the USA as Tea Party types rant and accuse and vote for members of congress whose stated goals are just to stymie and derail almost anything Obama suggests... even when it started as a conservative idea! This nonsense is documented and often admitted!

These days, liberal & conservative are not just "simply people with a different view of things", the conservative goals often involve a totally different mindset and collection of motives. Their arguments are **different in kind** from the 'liberals'. It is not just a case of good people with 'different' paths to a shared goal, but very different goals... goals often not directly admitted. (religious, racial, cultural..etc.) The smart ones don't say directly what motivates them, but some forget that almost everything gets recorded these days, and end up being captured.. like Romney at the fundraiser, telling a sympathetic audience exactly what they want to hear!

There is often no clear line showing who is honest and serious about their accusations... it is a continuum where it's hard to define 'crazy & biased'... but there are plenty of examples at the FAR end of the spectrum, like Sarah Palin, Christine O'Donnell, Steve Stockman, Louie Gohmert...(if you are not familiar with them, look 'em up!)... and our own Songwronger!

The US Congress has been almost rendered useless by a collection of these...ummm...*sigh* ...wing-nuts. If Songwronger ran for congress (and how do we know he didn't?), guess how he'd show his concerns.

So... too much time on my hands tonight... but I repeat.. I am NOT concerned with honest people who are "simply people with a different view of things". I will NOT sit idly and allow total nonsense to be passed off as serious claims.

make of it what you will.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: GUEST,Alive and Kicking
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 03:07 PM

Did it happen yet- are nine out of ten *mericanos now dead? I didn't see it reported on CNN or HLN. But, thay all are probably dead by now - Did Dr Oz, Cilo Greene, Judge Judy, Nancy Grace and Jerry Springer survive?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 04:13 PM

What's life without Jerry Springer?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obama and the EMP-electromagnetic pulse
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Dec 13 - 04:16 PM

All those flashes in the sky frightened Martha Stewart so much that she barfed on her brand new shoes!

Tragic!!

Don Firth


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