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Songwronger 19 Dec 13 - 10:56 PM
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GUEST,Ed T 20 Dec 13 - 05:28 AM
Pete Jennings 20 Dec 13 - 06:08 AM
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Richard Bridge 20 Dec 13 - 09:12 AM
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Subject: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: Songwronger
Date: 19 Dec 13 - 10:56 PM

FIVE YEARS AGO TODAY… Al Gore Predicted the North Pole Will Be Ice Free in 5 Years

December 13, 2013

Al Gore predicted the North Polar Ice Cap would be completely ice free in five years. Gore made the prediction to a German audience in 2008. He told them that "the entire North 'polarized' cap will disappear in 5 years."

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/12/five-years-ago-today-al-gore-predicted-the-north-pole-will-be-ice-free-in-5-years/#!

Meanwhile, it just snowed in Egypt for the first time in 100+ years.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/cairo-snow-egyptian-capital-sees-2923418

Climatologists are baffled.


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 12:16 AM

Gore was a bit pessimistic, but he is fundamentally right. A graph of the Arctic ice cap shows a steady decline, and although it's not quite there yet, it's on its way out.

Bad news for polar bears, seals, walruses--and, in the long run, the rest of us.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 12:17 AM

Of course, that wasn't exactly what Gore said. In fact, that's not what Gore said at all. The caption says this:
    Former Vice President Al Gore references computer modeling to suggest that the north polar ice cap may lose virtually all of its ice within the next seven years. "Some of the models suggest that there is a 75 percent chance that the entire north polar ice cap, during some of the summer months, could be completely ice-free within the next five to seven years," says Gore.


Turns out that Gore worded his statement very carefully, and he is quoting a Dr. Maslowski (sp?). He says the computer modeling suggests to Dr. Maslowski that this will happen. And at the end, he repeats that this is Dr. Maslowski's projection, and "we will find out" if this is true.

And to a degree, Maslowski was heading in the right direction. There's a whole lot less ice at the North Pole, than there used to be.

But it's interesting that the Website [http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/] rephrases what Gore said in an attempt to make Gore look foolish, and then Songwronger rephrases it again, in an attempt to make Gore look even more foolish.

But if you actually listen to what Gore actually said, it makes both www.thegatewaypundit.com AND Songwronger look like the fools.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 05:01 AM

What Joe said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 05:28 AM

And, the the point (purpose) of the OP is?
Could it bed that everything said in the past does not work out exactly as projected? That's hardly much of a surprise and not much fodder for a thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 06:08 AM

"Climatologists are baffled". LOL!


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 07:49 AM

Here is another of Al Gore's speeches to the same topic. He is very cautious to emphasize that he is quoting an official of a US naval school. He slips, though, by saying "polarized" instead of "polar" - possibly Freudian, but otherwise forgivable. Gore does not claim to be a scientist himself, but he has done a lot to make the non-scientific world think.

If predictions turn out wrong, it does not mean that different predictions will turn out right in the future. Note that all models of "global warming" predict that some areas will get colder and wetter.

On one point I must disagree with Joe: nothing can make Songwronger look like a fool any more.


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 09:12 AM

You mean "any MORE like a fool"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST,Jim Knowledge
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 10:00 AM

I `ad that Al Gore in my cab the other day. `e was all done up in a Mae West and sou`wester `at. `e `ad quite a struggle to get `imself in the back.
I said, "Morning Al. What`s all this get up then? You been booked to do a pantomime or something? It`s the right season for it."
`e said, "Nah Jim. I`m getting ready for the deluge, mate. The Polar ice cap `as officially gone tits up and I`m not gonna get caught with me trousers down when the flood comes."
I said, "No. You`re more likely to get taken away when the yellow van arrives!!"

Whaddam I Like??


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 10:25 AM

songwronger is the "parrot" for far right faction that hasn't the slightest interest in truth or fair play... they just want to win any way they think they can get away with. And one of the means that they use is the Big Lie.

Big Lie propaganda tatics:
never allow the public to cool off;
never admit a fault or wrong;
never concede that there may be some good in your enemy;
never leave room for alternatives;
never accept blame;
concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong;
people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one;
and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it, unless those who HAVE learned the lessons take action to avert it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: Brian Peters
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 10:36 AM

"it just snowed in Egypt for the first time in 100+ years"

Which just goes to show what the climate scientists have been saying all along (gritting their teeth in the face of such boneheaded arguments): 'climate' and 'weather' are not the same thing.

Here's what those notorious pinkos at NASA have to say about it: What's the difference between weather and climate?

Weird fluctuations in the weather, however, are exactly what climate scientists have been predicting ever since they started making their projections of a warming world. Stuff like 'snow in Egypt'.


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: IanC
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 10:39 AM

It's pretty solid at the moment (webcam) but in July, it had melted somewhat CBS News.

:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 12:30 PM

I suppose it is Obama's fault?

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 12:40 PM

Here's some more 'predictions' that, at the time had 'so-called liberals' in a panic:

From Paul Erlich
"Past Predictions: Wrong--In 1964, he said that the Indian vasectomy program was going to fail because of the beliefs of the populace and technical problems. The program is not an entire failure.

--In 1969, he claimed that it was "ignorant and irresponsible" to expect increased food production from underwater farming. In 1970, food production increased in Asia because of marine agriculture.

--In 1972, he said that 1973 smog disasters in Los Angeles and New York would leave 200,000 dead. He painted a picture of hundreds of people dying without medical help in hospitals, while others watched on their television screens. It would be announced, he said, that Americans born since 1946 (when DDT came into wide use) had a life expectancy of 49 years. Neither event has happened, though smog and DDT remain real dangers.

--In 1972, he said that by 1973 even industrialists from companies like Union Oil would be concerned over the reduction in bird populations because of DDT. Insects and rodents would increase in number at frightening rates. In actual fact, the Environmental Protection Agency announced an almost complete ban on the use of DDT, which became effective on December 31, 1972.

--In 1972, he predicted that water rationing would occur in nearly 2,000 municipalities in 1974 and that hepatitis and epidemic dysentery rates would go up 500%. Neither event took place.

--In 1972, he said that, because of a shift of the jet stream caused by air pollution, a permanent drought would occur in the Midwest, turning it into a desert. In reaction, the economy would start to fail. This has not happened.

--In 1972, he said that Congress would pass a Population Control Bill which would authorize an increase in money spent for family planning and would stipulate that all American aid to overpopulated countries would be required to consist partly of assistance in birth control. As a result, underdeveloped countries would try to get the UN to condemn the U.S. as a "genetic aggressor." An Indian Ambassador to the UN would point out that the U.S., with 6% of the people in the world, consumes 50% of its raw materials and that the average American family dog gets fed more animal protein in a week than the average Indian gets in a month. Such a bill has not passed.

Right Somewhat--In 1972, he said that the whaling industry would be close to failure in 1973. In truth, the whaling industry isn't dead, but there is real concern that overkill will indeed cause extinction of certain species of whale."

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 12:59 PM

"Here's some more 'predictions' that, at the time had 'so-called liberals' in a panic:"

here goes the "broken record" again....

Big Lie propaganda tatics:
never allow the public to cool off;
never admit a fault or wrong;
never concede that there may be some good in your enemy;
never leave room for alternatives;
never accept blame;
concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong;

now add to that list... cite non relevant facts that have no place in the discussion to distract from the real issues... sort of a bait and switch tactic to confuse the issue or at least muddy it up.

people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one;
and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.

Now... ask the Inuit whose traditional homes that were built on permafrost that had been frozen since the last Ice Age what they about climate change. The protective sea ice sheets are vanishing & so is the land under their feet(homes) because they are no longer protected from the winter storms & coastal erosion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 01:48 PM

I'm glad you posted that, sciencegeek!

"Here's some more 'predictions' that, at the time had 'so-called liberals' in a panic:"

here goes the "broken record" again....

Big Lie propaganda tatics:
Paul Erlich's 'Population Bomb' and Al Gore's money making hysteria, not to mention Obamacare

never allow the public to cool off;
The phony 'war' of 'Liberalism and Conservatism' that the international banksters are promoting for their own benefit, so they can 'find solutions' for their Machiavellian games...That the general public would never go for...and instead the two 'sides' just point fingers at each other...instead of the origin of the make believe.

never admit a fault or wrong;
The product of ill-informed parrots, both sides, repeating the same lie indoctrination..capitalizing on emotional fears, instead of FACTS!

never concede that there may be some good in your enemy;
Yeah, I know how it feels...and I'm on YOUR side!!
Now who was it that said, "Love your enemies"?...and you hate him too!!

never leave room for alternatives;
Do you mean psychological warfare is working that well that you've become narrow minded?????..What a neat agenda for stupid people!

never accept blame;
'People often try to ennoble those faults that they are too proud and weak to correct'

concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong;
That's what happens when your whole premise is wrong, and you can't keep up with trying to live up to your own double standards!
See above!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 02:49 PM

the premise of the Big Lie is to never let the truth interfere with the message...

I suppose the irony of Hilter - whose Final Solution was the murder of millions of Jews, gypsies and other "undesirables"- accusing the Jews of using "the Big Lie" has been lost on you. That's the other corollary that's been embraced by the conservative right wing... accuse your opponent of what you in fact are guilty of.

ie: Romneycare has been rebranded as Obamacare...

ie: ignore the fact that the Republicans did little or nothing to create a better AFC... after all, they wanted it to fail for the past two decades.

but you have no interest in listening... so this is really to help inform others who are wondering what the hell is wrong with Americans


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 03:42 PM

"but you have no interest in listening..."?????

Try talking to Firth!

"the premise of the Big Lie is to never let the truth interfere with the message.."

There was a great song, years ago, that reminds me of deluded 'do-gooders'...and it goes like this:

"I was still breathing,
Sweet lies from a song..
A saint in the evening,
A leper at dawn"

So many 'righteous'(?) 'causes' have been predicated on lies and/or bad science.....and the motive for that, is always well hidden...but nonetheless, still predicated on a lie, to pull your emotions away from the common sense of the TRUTH.
Never underestimate the power of angry crowds of very stupid people!

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST,John from Kemsing
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 03:53 PM

In the grand order of things such as the universe, the firmament and our insignificant place in it,(we are there and gone in the blink of an eye in temporal terms)ask yourself, does it really matter? Now! Hang on. Before you cast every aspersion, insult and the kitchen sink in my direction, think and think again and ask yourself, does it really matter?. Have faith in tomorrow`s generations who will answer the questions as previous ones have and enjoy what you can while you can.
          Now if you are of a religious persuasion your own strong faith will, no doubt, strengthen your belief in our significance and uniqueness and your God will provide.


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 04:15 PM

1. So many 'righteous'(?) 'causes' have been predicated on lies and/or bad science.....and the motive for that, is always well hidden...but nonetheless, still predicated on a lie, to pull your emotions away from the common sense of the TRUTH.

And what truth would you be referring to? I'm still trying to determine how using the 40 year old work of a population biologist has anything to do with the current accumulation of data that relates to climate change. Again, ask the Inuit peoples who are losing their cultural settlements to winter storms because the sea ice no longer is there to protect them.

2. Never underestimate the power of angry crowds of very stupid people!

No... because they are backbone of the Tea Party... and were the same for Mao's Cultural Revolution.... and the genocidal purges of any number of nations.... oh, and let's not forget the French Revolution... there's something to be proud of... NOT!

You prove my points quite nicely... if you have nothing of value to put forth, spend your time trying to destroy any and all efforts to learn what is really happening. Science is not revelation... it is asking better and better questions to find answers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 04:30 PM

"The Population 'Bomb'" was an unfortunate title. Paul Ehrlich was right in principle about the basics, but wrong about the time scale. Like ANY calculated prediction, it was a SWAG (look it up). The danger in predicting specific dates is that Nature is fickle and humans can be pretty clever at dodging & dancing deadlines.

Climate change IS real... and we are seeing it. Population problems ARE growing, and you can see THAT if you know where to look... and don't wear blinders. The Chinese can see them quite clearly, and Brazil 'could' see them if there weren't so many people in the way. (that's a bad joke.) When Brazil has cut down the rain forest for a few more years, they will will see all too clearly... and so will the rest of the world, as what happens to the Brazilian forests affects climate... and population... everywhere- especially in North Africa. (look THAT up)

Sarcastic threads making fun of environmental prophets remind me of the guy who fell off the top of the Empire State building: As he passed the 74th floor, he was heard to yell. "Well...so far, so good!".

Moral: Excessive caution can have its own benefits, but blindness to obvious dangers almost never works out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 04:34 PM

No... because they are backbone of the Tea Party... and were the same for Mao's Cultural Revolution....the Third Reich, and the genocidal purges of any number of nations....The Inquisition, the Bolshevik Revolution, the Iranian Revolution, the tolerance of the 'Dark Ages', The Chicago Riots at the '68 Democratic Convention, oh, and let's not forget the French Revolution...the rise of secularism, the fight between the 'so-called Right and Left, there's something to be proud of... NOT!...You could have included even more.....

"You prove my points quite nicely... if you have nothing of value to put forth, spend your time trying to destroy any and all efforts to learn what is really happening."

?????

Back to you!
Actually, I wasn't sure I was at adds with any of your points...I post a post agreeing with you...and some sloppy fuck turns it all around....but that's not to say that I do agree with EVERYTHING you say.....I wonder if you have the capacity to learn from these dialogues as well...or is the 'learning' for everybody else???
I forgot....Don and you are so all knowing....yet so above being wrong....go figure.

Something to consider, eh?.....or are you above that, too?

GfS

P.S. Good post, John from Kemsing....a wider view!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: Songwronger
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 05:55 PM

I am shocked and dismayed that some of you second guess Al Gore. He SAID the ice cap would be gone by 2013, so it is GONE. Got it? You Deniers better get your heads screwed on right. Al Gore will save us if you will JUST QUIT DENYING HIS PROCLAMATIONS.


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 20 Dec 13 - 11:20 PM

Wrongest would have us believe Reagan:

Ronald Reagan, opposing legislation to protect our national forests: "A tree's a tree. How many do you need to look at?"

... he also campaigned against proposals for environmental protection by asserting that trees cause air pollution, which posed a threat to the nation's air quality because, according to Reagan, we had more forests in America now than in colonial times.

Although he sounds more like Bush I:

President George Bush: "I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them."

John


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Dec 13 - 02:26 AM

Well, Songwronger, despite your attempts to distort what Mr. Gore actually said, you bring up a very interesting subject, nonetheless. The Wikipedia article on the Northwest Passage tells the tale quite well. The ice has cleared to a great extent, but it turns out the water is too shallow for shipping in many places. The clearing of ice has allowed some species to migrate from the Atlantic to the Pacific, which has all sorts of implications.
The Wikipedia article on North Pole is also very interesting. It, too, says that some scientists think the polar ice may clear during part of the year in the future. The sea depth at the North Pole has been measured at 4,261 m (13,980 ft), so there's no need to be afraid of ships running aground there - if the ice clears.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Dec 13 - 04:39 AM

My brother just got back from the North Pole about a month ago...he was flown in for a hunting trip.
.....and yes, it is still there. I can't say how much around it has melted, of of what Joe is speaking of....but I'd say, he is correct.

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 21 Dec 13 - 05:48 AM

Who gives a shit what Al Gore, (a usta-was, USA politition) thought, said, predicted, or did not say in the past on any topic? ""Living in the past, is not living at all (aka, get a life).


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 21 Dec 13 - 06:56 AM

Bloody hell! I just hope there's no holes in Santa's wellies.


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 21 Dec 13 - 07:45 AM

Al Gore's voice is respected in Europe; we assume that his former office has won him some insight into USA politics and mindsets. (In contrast, Obama's reputation here has diminished greatly, for reasons that would in fact apply to Gore as well.)

Strong rhetorics are often used for personal interests of lobby groups. Successful businesses tend to fear for their profits if anything changes (in other words, to be conservative), whereas some rising businesses hope for changes that can be sold as being in the interest of the common good. The words "liberal" and "leftist" are rarely adequate in such contexts.

Those of us whose concerns are beyond next year's business balances or winning the next election, must listen and read all arguments carefully. Highly partisan emotions plaster the road to disaster.


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: sciencegeek
Date: 21 Dec 13 - 09:05 AM

good points, Grishka

it is not enough to rely on objective observations because the influence of "big money" has become all pervasive.

agrichemical companies make large donations to land grant colleges and suddenly only studies supporting the use of chemicals get funded.

Koch, whose vast wealth comes form fossil fuels, makes large donations to public radio/TV and keeping the money coming becomes more important than reporting the facts.

we need to "follow the money" to see where to subtle influences are that seek to sway public opinion by presenting fiction as if it were fact and derailing any attempt to find out what is really going on.

political goals can and will not change the rules of nature... but they can and do influence how we deal with the outcome of our actions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Dec 13 - 12:45 PM

Gotta love this from John of Kemsing: "Have faith in tomorrow`s generations who will answer the questions as previous ones have and enjoy what you can while you can."

Which is a nice way of saying, "Make as big of a mess as you want, someone else will clean it up." We need more like you...


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 21 Dec 13 - 02:48 PM

"Make as big of a mess as you want, someone else will clean it up."
It would not work though, not even for those who do not care at all what will happen after their death. Share prices right now reflect expectations for centuries ahead. Currently the finance market is still optimistic that politicians (- voters -) will put things right, but if it changes its mind, the total crash will be there immediately - no need to wait for the Flood.


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST,andrew e
Date: 21 Dec 13 - 05:21 PM

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/climategate.phphttp://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/climategate.php


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Dec 13 - 01:40 PM

"In the grand order of things such as the universe, the firmament and our insignificant place in it,(we are there and gone in the blink of an eye in temporal terms)ask yourself, does it really matter? Now! Hang on. Before you cast every aspersion, insult and the kitchen sink in my direction, think and think again and ask yourself, does it really matter?. Have faith in tomorrow`s generations who will answer the questions as previous ones have and enjoy what you can while you can.
          Now if you are of a religious persuasion your own strong faith will, no doubt, strengthen your belief in our significance and uniqueness and your God will provide."

Ah, the cosmic perspective... after all, when the sun goes nova there'll be no trace of us left behind. And as useful as this response to the prospect of nuclear war... "Put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye." ... fun to say, but pretty damn useless.




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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 23 Dec 13 - 02:25 PM

oops... that was me above

I recently read an interesting book on Fitzroy... best known to current generations as the captain of the Beagle with a young Charles Darwin aboard or else his ill fated governorship of NZ... but he was also instrumental in establishing the field of weather forecasting... a thing unheard of in his day.   

His efforts were much appreciated by seamen and the shipping trade... but ignored or rejected by the very government that he worked for.

seems that things don't really change all that much.


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Dec 13 - 01:02 PM

Global warming is a public delusion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 24 Dec 13 - 01:25 PM

The people of Churchill had better be armed; hungry bears will eat anything, even a Canadian. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: Joe_F
Date: 24 Dec 13 - 08:52 PM

Evidently *no-one* these days observes the difference between "ice cap" and "pack ice".


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: kendall
Date: 25 Dec 13 - 06:52 AM

I know what an "Ice pack" is, I'll need one tomorrow.


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Dec 13 - 07:49 AM

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/03/23/1766011/ice-breaking-news-2013-arctic-freezing-season-not-what-its-cracked-up-to-be-/


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: Mr Red
Date: 25 Dec 13 - 12:52 PM

the only people who are baffled by all this are those that don't read the signs.
Migratory birds, the first frost of the autumn, the size of the polar ice cap year on year.

Global warming is happening and to think it will just mean warmer weather is simplistic at best and fanciful at least.

We can expect a weather pattern that doesn't fit the historical norm. Warmer seas means more evaporation, more precipitation, more hurricanes and more typhoons. And not in the places you want it.

Al Gore missing a prediction by a few years is NOTHING in comparison with climate change skeptics with their heads in the sand. At least there will be more desert for them to stick their addled pates in. And if they go there the deserts will be too hot for any humans at any time of year - there are places like that now, reputedly.

The argument is not "global warming?", but why? And one look at the light across the world seen from space will tell you why - burning 500 million years of insolation in 100 years.

The Earth will survive, and recover --- humans doubtful!


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: Songwronger
Date: 02 Jan 14 - 10:07 PM

Current Global Warming headlines at Drudgereport.com. Obvious lies meant to embarrass Al Gore:

NYC WINTER WARNING...

UP TO 14" IN BOSTON...

1,400+ flights stopped...

Cuomo Closes Highways...

Declares state of emergency...

De Blasio: 'Stay home tonight'...

Meteorologist: 'Exposed skin could freeze in 15 minutes'

Blizzard to Reach From NYC to Boston...

USA ushers in 2014 with record-low temps...

Chicago Sees Biggest Snowfall In 15 Years...

Winnipeg deep freeze -- cold as uninhabited planet...

Frozen Out: 98% of Network Stories Ignore That Ice-bound Ship Was On 'Global Warming' Mission...


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 02:26 AM

Could someone confusing climate and weather?


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 02:51 AM

I don't know which I find more puzzling?


Those who confuse weather (note, not whether) with climate - Or, those who confuse politics business and entertainment with science?


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Subject: RE: BS: Polar Ice Cap Now Officially Gone
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 09:38 AM

As the IPCC was set up in 1988, and climate relates to long-term conditions (usually viewed over 30 years) I fail to see how the IPCC can have yet reached any conclusions, or had any confirmation/denial of its projections.

(for thos having problems with the above, 1988+30 years = 2018)


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