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FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo

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voyager 15 Jan 14 - 03:27 PM
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GUEST,bbc 14 Jan 14 - 06:58 PM
Allan C. 14 Jan 14 - 05:07 PM
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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo
From: bbc
Date: 12 Jan 19 - 06:21 PM

Thanks for reviving this, Joe. I had forgotten we had already gone through the naming exercise. Allan & maeve did a nice job. Nice to see it again & remember that happy time. Really hard to believe it's almost 20 years ago!

best,

bbc


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 19 - 09:43 PM

Bill I saw you before all the name were added.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Jan 19 - 02:51 PM

Yeah, I sure wouldn't bet good money on #15 being you, Bill.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Jan 19 - 10:33 AM

Now I am not sure that IS me in the back row... I may have had someone else take a pic after I did. But Rita & I both are not sure that guy with beard to rt of Bob Clayton is me.. I seldom let my beard grow past muttonchops..


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Jan 19 - 04:04 PM

Gee, we all look so much younger in this photo....but hey, it was 19 years ago. I can't find Dani in the photo. Where was she? Is that her in the back row, second from the left - #3?


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Jan 19 - 04:19 AM

Here is an enlarged version of the photo with labels that Maeve made:


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Jan 19 - 04:11 AM

BBC asked if we might be able to identify the people in this photo. I see above that this has mostly been accomplished. Any additional comments or information?


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: maeve
Date: 17 Jan 14 - 08:07 PM

Thanks, Bill. I've marked #18 as Nancy-Jean Seigel on my copy.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Jan 14 - 07:57 PM

Yep... looks like her. I have several pics of her that are not online. I don't know if there are still records of who attended that year, but the B&W pic just made me wonder.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: maeve
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 07:28 AM

I think Bill is onto something for #18. Take a look here, Bill: Back row, ninth from the left.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 06:46 AM

Nope, not me. But happy to be mistaken for Nancy King : )

Dani


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 10:06 PM

Of course, my track record isn't great. I don't even think I look like me in that photo.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 09:57 PM

Not Dani.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Allan C.
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 09:05 PM

It just now dawned on me that #3 Blank must be Dani! I sent her a note seeking confirmation.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: voyager
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 03:27 PM

If a good picture is worth 1000 words, then we're on the way with this FSGW99-Mudcat group photo. So here's a little better resolution -

FSGW99-Mudcat at Prince William Forest Park (hi-res)

Besides Sandy's workshop/sing of 'The Fox' my other highlights that trip were meeting Fortunato (not in photo) and stumbling across a CIA/OSS historical marker on the grounds. Here's that sidebar -

Prince William Forest Park

From 1942 to 1945, at least two branches of the OSS trained on the grounds of Prince William Forest Park—Special Operations (Training Area A) and Communications (Training Area C).

In the security that the forest offered, the Special Operations Branch trained its advanced recruits how to operate behind enemy lines in sabotage, guerilla leadership and other forms of subversion.6 New recruits were tasked with concealing their own identity while trying to learn as much information as possible from fellow trainees. Recruits also were:

    Taught how to use weapons, radios and codes;
    Make and disarm booby traps; and
    Make low-level parachute jumps from aircraft.7

The OSS Communications Branch also trained its recruits in Prince William Forest Park. Recruits in this division learned Morse code and ciphers, covert radio practices and maintenance, as well as the use of weapons and martial arts.

I guess they should have include Folk Music Hootenanny's in their regimen :^D

voyager


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Nancy King
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 12:07 PM

Sorry -- #3 isn't me! Don't know who it is!


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 10:53 PM

*I* think #18 looks like Nancy-Jean Seigel, but Rita doesn't. I'm not sure Nancy-Jean was there that year, but she was certainly known to us and knew us then.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: GUEST,bbc
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 06:58 PM

Delightful, maeve! Thanks so much!

Barbara


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Allan C.
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 05:07 PM

Just wondering: Could #3 (Blank) possibly be Nancy King?


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 03:15 PM

Here's the group photo, with labels by Maeve-
1. voyager / Tim Weil

2. Roger in Baltimore

3. (Blank)

4. ( Blank 1)

5. bbc / Barbara

6. Duane D.

7. Vixen- Vicki Baker

8. Susan of DT

9. (Blank 2) Mary LaMarca ?

10. Reynaud / Tim (Baker?)

11. Lorraine Van Buren

12. Allan C

13. Knitpick / Jennifer Woods

14. Charlie Baum

15. Bill D

16. songbob/Bob Clayton

17. Barry Finn

18. (Blank 3)

19. Uilleand

20. Big Mick

21. Caroline Paton

22. Moonchild

23. Joe Offer

24. Karen k

25. Sandy Paton

26. Jeri

27. Max

28. Cara

29. Sondra Steigen

30. (Blank 4)

31. Dick Greenhouse (Greenhaus)

32. (Blank 5)

33. Ferrara / Rita


BTW - the woman to Sandy's left (Unk) was a student I met online that road with me to the Getaway. voyager (Does he mean Cara?)
Voyager sent a higher-resolution copy of the photo:


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 01:23 PM

Sorry for getting confused, Vicki, & for misremembering Tim's mudcat name.

Love,

Barbara


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Vixen
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 12:15 PM

Wow--so cool to read all these posts from the wonderful people we met at the few Getaways we got away to before our annual gig at the CT Renaissance Faire ate up all our autumn weekends.

bbc--I don't mind being Allison if I get to have her voice too!
I'm still Vicki, though, and Reynaud is still Tim.

Annamil was definitely at a Ramblewood Getaway, because I remember her SO (whose name I forget) taking a "drum solo" in one of the jam sessions in a cabin there.

I wish I'd met more of the Mudcats and FSGW folks so I could help with the blanks!

And it's bittersweet seeing all the people we truly enjoyed who have passed on...but I do wonder why I'm listed on the OBIT thread as Vic Baker...I'm pretty sure I'm still here. Must be another Vic Baker?

Anyway, sending hugs for all the great memories,

V (&R)


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: maeve
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 09:37 AM

Nice, beardedbruce!

I've sent the list and marked photo to Joe.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: maeve
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 09:28 AM

I've not been to the Getaway, nor can I identify the remaining "Blanks", but I have tried to number and match names so far verified in this thread. I'll send my list and marked photo to Joe in case he can post it.

Maeve


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 09:24 AM

I was at that Getaway, but not active in Mudcat. I had been bringing a Zenith 248 ( AT class machine) to copy and distribute the Digital Tradition floppies.





Sonnet 03/11/07                                  MLXV

To absent friends and lost loves let us drink,
Recalling smiles and times that all once shared.
On those no longer near let us now think,
To bring back reasons that for them we cared.
Some are not here, yet still remain, within
The songs and words they left behind. And some
Are in our souls, when hopes or dreams begin:
A part of what each of us have become.
To those apart let us now raise a glass
And take a moment to give thanks for all
That we from others have ourselves received.
The world's a school, and our lives just a class
In playing well with others. Can we call
It more? Are we by our egos deceived?


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: voyager
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 09:04 AM

dear cyber-friends (FSGW, mudcat)....

There are many great memories wrapped around this photo.
Let me leave you with this thought -
A Parting Glass (Robin Williamson)

BTW - the woman to Sandy's left (Unk) was a student I met online that
road with me to the Getaway.

voyager


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Allan C.
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 07:05 AM

Jeri, I'll happily owe you a bottle of scotch and I have learned better than to bet on my memory. This is why I am relying heavily upon others to fill in the blanks.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 09:46 PM

I will guarantee that the woman at far right, kneeling next to Max IS Sondra Steigen.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 09:17 PM

Apparently, I'm fulla poop, but I don't owe Cheese Doodles to Allan.
I got a reply from Anna. She said she wasn't there in 99, but she's pretty sure she was there in 2000 and 2001.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: bbc
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 07:33 PM

Just realized I'd had a brain glitch. Vixen's name was Vickie, not Allison, I believe. I was thinking of Animaterra. Silly me!


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 06:10 PM

I've resorted to contacting anna. She might remember those people we can't, and possibly vouch for me not being totally fulla poo. Shoulda bet a bottle of scotch or a bag of Cheese Doodles or something...


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: bbc
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 11:20 AM

I wrote a detailed post on my desktop computer, but can't get it to post. Just stalls at white screen. I, also, can't login on my desktop, lately; very frustrating. I've sent a PM to Joe, to ask if he'd post it for me.

Best,

bbc
Hi, folks, Got your PM, Allan, on my iPad mini, but can't login on my desktop. I'm not around mudcat much, these days. I spend more time on flickr:

I'm not sure I can be of much help, except in a couple of spelling/name corrections (that I hope are correct!) Caroline was not a member, as I recall, but was always listed as Caroline Paton. Sandy's mudcat name was Sandy Paton. Bob Clayton posted as Songster Bob or Songbob. His wife, Jennifer, posted as Knitpick. I believe Allison's (vixen) sweetheart was Renard, not Renaud. Dick's name is dick greenhaus. I tend to get LaMarca & Susan A-R confused. Were both there? And I'm sad to say I don't recognize Anna. As you note, Allan, the lines are somewhat confusing; here's my best shot:
    Back Row (L-R): voyager, Unk, Unk, Vixen, Renard, Bill D, Big Mick, karen k, Unk, Ferrara
    Middle Row (L-R): bbc, Duane D., LaMarca, Lorraine, Knitpick, Songbob, Unk, Caroline Paton, Sandy Paton, Unk, Unk, dick greenhaus
    Front Row (L-R): Roger in Baltimore, Susan of DT, Charlie Baum, Barry Finn, Unk, Unk, Joe Offer, Jeri, Max, Unk
That was my only Getaway, so far. I had a wonderful time & have considered going again, but for distance & a certain unnamed 'catter who so embarrassed me by openly ridiculing my (supposed)camping snoring at Old Songs that I've been hesitant to ever sleep in the vicinity of others, since that time. Next year might be a possibility, since I'm retired, now, & free as a bird!

Love to all,
bbc aka Beebs aka Barbara


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Allan C.
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 08:49 PM

Thank you very much indeed, Jeri. I do certainly remember her from the gathering she had at her Jersey Shore house in 1998, (as well as the ones she had after). That was when I first met Bill Sables. But damn me for a lousy memory! I really thought she had only been to one Getaway. But I would really have a hard time believing she is Blank5. in truth, I am pretty sure that the one you indicate, Jeri, is not Anna; but I am not acquainted with who else she might be. At the same time I truly appreciate how difficult it is to make a positive ID from this medium quality snapshot. I'm reasonably sure, though, now that you have helped me to remember it, that AnnaP, (as she was known in those days,) and her husband had to leave early, after the first night and therefore, could not have been in the picture.

As my recollection goes, and believe that as you may, we were all packing our cars or getting ready to leave, if we hadn't already done so, and someone cried out that we should have a picture done. So, whichever of us was handy formed ourselves hastily into a pose proper to the occasion,(I think it was along side of the "meeting hall" where we all first assembled and sang in a huge singaround before much else happened,)ad thus the picture was taken. It is as likely to have FSGW members in it as it is to have Mudcat members in it. It may even have spouses of significant others of either caste in it for all I know. I only know that I can't identify a few of them despite being well acquainted with a good many of both FSGW and or Mudcat members of that era.

Please, to avoid more confusion, when someone may attempt to identify Blanks in the photo, name them according to Blank1, Blank2 or Blank3, etc., perhaps helpfully adding of whom they are on the left or right or behind.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 05:41 PM

I'm also going to see if I can find the color version of that pic.... possibly on my old Win 98 computer.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 04:46 PM

I should also mention that I remember her being there for the photo. She'd had a gathering at her house the summer before. I won't guarantee 100% accuracy on my memory, but I'm absolutely sure she was at more than one Getaway.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 04:39 PM

Annamill was there.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Allan C.
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 02:38 PM

Unless I am sadly mistaken this picture was taken at the very first Getaway that Mudcatters were specifically invited to intermingle with the FSGW folks. This was in 1999 and was at Prince William Forest Park in Northern Virginia.

Annamil, so far as I can recall, only attended the second gathering held at Havre de Grace in 2001.

The (somebody else next to Max) and to his left is, according to Bill D., Sondra Steigen.

Blank4 and Blank5 are the middle two people standing in the rear to Sandy's left and to Ferrara's right.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 11:33 AM

I got one more "Blank", tried to fix some small errors (and probably made new ones.

From left to right, vertical line, etc:

voyager, Roger in Baltimore, Blank, bbc (with Mudcat shirt,) Blank1 (above and behind bbc,) Duane D., Vixen, Susan of DT, Blank2 (almost directly above Susan of DT and behind Duane D.,) LaMarca, Reynaud, Lorraine, Allan C, Charlie Baum, Jennifer Woods, Bill D, songbob, Barry Finn, Blank3 (with Mudcat shirt,) Uilleand, Big Mick, Moonchild, Caroline, Joe Offer, karen k, Jeri, Sandy, Max, Cara, Sondra Steigen, Blank4, (somebody else next to Max) Dick Greenhaus (bending over in front of Blank4,) Annamil, Ferrara


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 09:40 AM

Shut up, Spaw. That's what mirrors are for.
Don't listen to him, Jeri.
You really do have a gorgeous smile, I've been lucky enough to see it on more than one occasion, but not often enough.

Dani


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 08:25 AM

Yes looing. I take your pics into the can with me and they help me shit.


looking......geeziz......


Spaw


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 01:43 AM

I'd agree with Maeve, Jeri. You have a wonderful smile.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 01:07 PM

Great old pic. Ya' know what is kind of funny to me is that I can ID most of these folks from just looing at their pictures over these many years......More than a few have left us.


Spaw


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 12:53 PM

LOVE the pic! Thanks!


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: maeve
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 09:37 AM

Jeri, you have a beautiful, blazing, smile, and I love to see and hear you laugh.

So there.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: GUEST,jeri
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 09:30 AM

I always thought I looked goofier when smiling.   (It obviously doesn't matter.) ;-)


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 11:13 PM

Geez, Jeri, don't you ever smile?!

This is so sweet. I can cast my memory right back to the first time we stood around that big empty room and threw songs at one another, hearing our voices for the first time, each and together.

Dani


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Allan C.
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 02:23 PM

I think my problem with identification stems largely from trying to think of these folks as standing in anything resembling rows. So I will begin again by attempting to list them in order from left to right as though there were a vertical line moving in that direction (which is precisely the way I am doing it.) Thus we have:

voyager, Roger in Baltimore, Blank, bbc (with Mudcat shirt,) Blank1 (above and behind bbc,) Duane D., Vixen, Susan of
DT, Blank2 (almost directly above Susan of DT and behind Duane D.,) Reynaud, LaMarca, Charlie Baum, Lorraine, Jennifer Woods, Bill D, songbob, Barry Finn, Blank3 (with Mudcat shirt,) Uilleand, Big Mick, Moonchild, Carolyn, Joe Offer, karen k, Jeri, Sandy, Max, Cara, Sondra Steigen, Blank4, Dick Greenhouse (bending over in front of Blank4,) Blank5, Ferrara


At least I think this is right so far. Please correct me or help to fill in the Blanks. Thanks


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Allan C.
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 10:37 AM

I've finally deduced that Barbara in the second row is Mudcat's "bbc".


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Allan C.
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 06:50 PM

Okay, we've clarified Sandy's position, so, working to HIS left we have identified Cara; but we still don't know the names of the three people further to OUR right before we find Rita. Also, we don't know the names, (proper or Mudcat,) of the three women above the shoulders of that space between Roger in Baltimore and Susan of DT.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 05:56 PM

...and... I just discovered this strange site from Flickr which is a search engine for images... and found a bunch of fairly recent (last 4 years or so) images taken at the Getaway... most,I think by Ellen Silverberg. Good pics, and many familiar faces as well as local folks from FSGW.


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