FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo

Subject: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: voyager
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 05:54 AM

From the TV show-pilot - "How I Met the Mudcat"

FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo

Good thoughts of Sandy Paton and my intro to this community

voyager

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: maeve
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 07:36 AM

Thank you!

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Allan C.
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 06:51 PM

There are places I remember
All my life, though some have changed
Some forever not for better
Some have gone and some remain
All these places have their moments
With lovers and friends I still can recall
Some are dead and some are living
In my life I've loved them all

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Jan 14 - 09:49 PM

I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now...

Gee, Sandy looks like he's everybody's dad. That's kinda how it felt, wasn't it?

Rest in peace, Sandy.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Big Mick
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 01:00 AM

It was a very special gathering. I am almost at a loss for words as the memories come flooding back. My life was forever altered by that gathering, such wonderful friendships made. I miss Sandy more than I can describe.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Vixen
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 10:22 AM

AHHHH Those were the days, my friend, we thought they'd never end; we thought they'd last, forever and a day...

It seems like only last fall--it seems like another lifetime ago.

We miss those who have gone onward and welcome those who have joined the circle; keep playing the canon.

V & R

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 12:15 PM

That was my camera... I forget who we got to snap the picture. I'm in the middle of the back row, looking at least as old as Joe Offer. It was a special time....

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: voyager
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 02:20 PM

This is the Mudcat thread (1999) that Sandy responded to and drew me down to FSGW Getaway 1999.   It's all about the stories/folklore, really - The Fox Went Out ......

It's funny to see that my ISP in that day was Maryland's 'Clark.Net' which was run out of a barn in Ellicot City :^D

Clarknet (Wiki)

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Allan C.
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 02:32 PM

I remember that this picture was taken almost as an afterthought just as people were heading out to their cars to leave. This should help to explain the somewhat ragged arrangement of bodies.I'm really quite terrible at remembering names. I am certain that there are some shown in the photo whose names I should know; but please forgive me for having such a bad memory. Please fill in the blanks as I attempt to list people from left to right:

Front row: Roger in Baltimore, Susan of DT, Charlie Baum, Barry Finn, Uilleand, Moonchild, Joe Offer, Jeri, Max, Blank, Dick Greenhouse

Second row – which after Carolyn sorta becomes mixed with the back row: Barbara, Duane D, Allan C. (kneeling behind Charlie Baum,) Blank, Blank, Carolyn, karen k., Sandy, Cara, Blank, Blank, Blank


Back row – if I can call it that: Blank, Blank, Vixen, Reynaud, and then I am rather at a loss until I run into Bill D, Blank, Blank and then Big Mick standing more or less next to Carolyn

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: voyager
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 03:16 PM

voyager (aka Tim Weil) back row, left, holding the skinny case for a Martin backpacker guitar.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 03:31 PM

Which one IS (or was) Sandy, please? There are two or three who could be the young man who was a dear friend in London in 1958. But which of them is himself 41 years later!?

When I joined the Cat just after Sandy died, I mentioned to my sister, then 85 [now 89 & I am 82 this year] that he was dead and asked if she remembered him singing at my 26th birthday party in Hampstead in May 1958. "What, that beautiful young man with the wonderful voice," she exclaimed. "How could I ever have forgotten him?"

O tempora...

~Michael~

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 03:40 PM

From Allan C's key a couple back, I gather it's the tall one in a white baseball cap. Is that right, or did I misread? -- the rows tend to merge.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Allan C.
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 04:43 PM

Yes, Sandy is wearing a "photographer's vest" which is something I can't recall ever seeing him without.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Allan C.
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 04:53 PM

BTW, I am certain that I have mislabeled "Barbara" (above and to the right of Roger in Baltimore) in the picture. I don't think that's her Mudcat name.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 04:54 PM

Bill D: "looking at least as old as Joe Offer"

Ahem...

Gee, I think I look pretty young in that photo, without my white beard. I was 51 at the time, still actually working for a living...

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 05:02 PM

Many thanks. So I take it Carolyn, whom of course I also knew well at the time, is the lady on Sandy's right [our left] with a sort of white label or patch breast-high on the left [our right] side of her sweater/cardigan.

I am very grateful for this help in identification after so many years.

~M~

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 05:24 PM

To the far right in front row (next to Max) is Sonrda Steigen. Far right in back row is my wife Ferrara (Rita)

Standing behind Allan C. are Mary (LaMarca), (Lorraine) Van Buren, Jennifer Woods and Jennifer's husband Bob Clayton (songbob)

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 05:49 PM

Michael... I have some nice color pictures of Sandy & Caroline at the Getaway in 2001. I will upload them soon... (I am having to transfer all my images to a new site, as MyOpera is closing on March 1)

I have many pics from various Getaways... will try to get them up also.

In the meantime, here is the MyOpera site which will be good for the nect 5-6 weeks

http://my.opera.com/extree/albums There are several Getaway albums there, but only 05,07, 10, 11.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 05:56 PM

...and... I just discovered this strange site from Flickr which is a search engine for images... and found a bunch of fairly recent (last 4 years or so) images taken at the Getaway... most,I think by Ellen Silverberg. Good pics, and many familiar faces as well as local folks from FSGW.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Allan C.
Date: 09 Jan 14 - 06:50 PM

Okay, we've clarified Sandy's position, so, working to HIS left we have identified Cara; but we still don't know the names of the three people further to OUR right before we find Rita. Also, we don't know the names, (proper or Mudcat,) of the three women above the shoulders of that space between Roger in Baltimore and Susan of DT.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Allan C.
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 10:37 AM

I've finally deduced that Barbara in the second row is Mudcat's "bbc".

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Allan C.
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 02:23 PM

I think my problem with identification stems largely from trying to think of these folks as standing in anything resembling rows. So I will begin again by attempting to list them in order from left to right as though there were a vertical line moving in that direction (which is precisely the way I am doing it.) Thus we have:

voyager, Roger in Baltimore, Blank, bbc (with Mudcat shirt,) Blank1 (above and behind bbc,) Duane D., Vixen, Susan of
DT, Blank2 (almost directly above Susan of DT and behind Duane D.,) Reynaud, LaMarca, Charlie Baum, Lorraine, Jennifer Woods, Bill D, songbob, Barry Finn, Blank3 (with Mudcat shirt,) Uilleand, Big Mick, Moonchild, Carolyn, Joe Offer, karen k, Jeri, Sandy, Max, Cara, Sondra Steigen, Blank4, Dick Greenhouse (bending over in front of Blank4,) Blank5, Ferrara


At least I think this is right so far. Please correct me or help to fill in the Blanks. Thanks

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 10 Jan 14 - 11:13 PM

Geez, Jeri, don't you ever smile?!

This is so sweet. I can cast my memory right back to the first time we stood around that big empty room and threw songs at one another, hearing our voices for the first time, each and together.

Dani

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: GUEST,jeri
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 09:30 AM

I always thought I looked goofier when smiling.   (It obviously doesn't matter.) ;-)

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: maeve
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 09:37 AM

Jeri, you have a beautiful, blazing, smile, and I love to see and hear you laugh.

So there.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 12:53 PM

LOVE the pic! Thanks!

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 11 Jan 14 - 01:07 PM

Great old pic. Ya' know what is kind of funny to me is that I can ID most of these folks from just looing at their pictures over these many years......More than a few have left us.


Spaw

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 01:43 AM

I'd agree with Maeve, Jeri. You have a wonderful smile.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: catspaw49
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 08:25 AM

Yes looing. I take your pics into the can with me and they help me shit.


looking......geeziz......


Spaw

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 09:40 AM

Shut up, Spaw. That's what mirrors are for.
Don't listen to him, Jeri.
You really do have a gorgeous smile, I've been lucky enough to see it on more than one occasion, but not often enough.

Dani

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 11:33 AM

I got one more "Blank", tried to fix some small errors (and probably made new ones.

From left to right, vertical line, etc:

voyager, Roger in Baltimore, Blank, bbc (with Mudcat shirt,) Blank1 (above and behind bbc,) Duane D., Vixen, Susan of DT, Blank2 (almost directly above Susan of DT and behind Duane D.,) LaMarca, Reynaud, Lorraine, Allan C, Charlie Baum, Jennifer Woods, Bill D, songbob, Barry Finn, Blank3 (with Mudcat shirt,) Uilleand, Big Mick, Moonchild, Caroline, Joe Offer, karen k, Jeri, Sandy, Max, Cara, Sondra Steigen, Blank4, (somebody else next to Max) Dick Greenhaus (bending over in front of Blank4,) Annamil, Ferrara

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Allan C.
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 02:38 PM

Unless I am sadly mistaken this picture was taken at the very first Getaway that Mudcatters were specifically invited to intermingle with the FSGW folks. This was in 1999 and was at Prince William Forest Park in Northern Virginia.

Annamil, so far as I can recall, only attended the second gathering held at Havre de Grace in 2001.

The (somebody else next to Max) and to his left is, according to Bill D., Sondra Steigen.

Blank4 and Blank5 are the middle two people standing in the rear to Sandy's left and to Ferrara's right.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 04:39 PM

Annamill was there.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 04:46 PM

I should also mention that I remember her being there for the photo. She'd had a gathering at her house the summer before. I won't guarantee 100% accuracy on my memory, but I'm absolutely sure she was at more than one Getaway.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 05:41 PM

I'm also going to see if I can find the color version of that pic.... possibly on my old Win 98 computer.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Allan C.
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 08:49 PM

Thank you very much indeed, Jeri. I do certainly remember her from the gathering she had at her Jersey Shore house in 1998, (as well as the ones she had after). That was when I first met Bill Sables. But damn me for a lousy memory! I really thought she had only been to one Getaway. But I would really have a hard time believing she is Blank5. in truth, I am pretty sure that the one you indicate, Jeri, is not Anna; but I am not acquainted with who else she might be. At the same time I truly appreciate how difficult it is to make a positive ID from this medium quality snapshot. I'm reasonably sure, though, now that you have helped me to remember it, that AnnaP, (as she was known in those days,) and her husband had to leave early, after the first night and therefore, could not have been in the picture.

As my recollection goes, and believe that as you may, we were all packing our cars or getting ready to leave, if we hadn't already done so, and someone cried out that we should have a picture done. So, whichever of us was handy formed ourselves hastily into a pose proper to the occasion,(I think it was along side of the "meeting hall" where we all first assembled and sang in a huge singaround before much else happened,)ad thus the picture was taken. It is as likely to have FSGW members in it as it is to have Mudcat members in it. It may even have spouses of significant others of either caste in it for all I know. I only know that I can't identify a few of them despite being well acquainted with a good many of both FSGW and or Mudcat members of that era.

Please, to avoid more confusion, when someone may attempt to identify Blanks in the photo, name them according to Blank1, Blank2 or Blank3, etc., perhaps helpfully adding of whom they are on the left or right or behind.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: bbc
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 11:20 AM

I wrote a detailed post on my desktop computer, but can't get it to post. Just stalls at white screen. I, also, can't login on my desktop, lately; very frustrating. I've sent a PM to Joe, to ask if he'd post it for me.

Best,

bbc

---

Hi, folks, Got your PM, Allan, on my iPad mini, but can't login on my desktop. I'm not around mudcat much, these days. I spend more time on flickr:

I'm not sure I can be of much help, except in a couple of spelling/name corrections (that I hope are correct!) Caroline was not a member, as I recall, but was always listed as Caroline Paton. Sandy's mudcat name was Sandy Paton. Bob Clayton posted as Songster Bob or Songbob. His wife, Jennifer, posted as Knitpick. I believe Allison's (vixen) sweetheart was Renard, not Renaud. Dick's name is dick greenhaus. I tend to get LaMarca & Susan A-R confused. Were both there? And I'm sad to say I don't recognize Anna. As you note, Allan, the lines are somewhat confusing; here's my best shot:

Back Row (L-R): voyager, Unk, Unk, Vixen, Renard, Bill D, Big Mick, karen k, Unk, Ferrara
Middle Row (L-R): bbc, Duane D., LaMarca, Lorraine, Knitpick, Songbob, Unk, Caroline Paton, Sandy Paton, Unk, Unk, dick greenhaus
Front Row (L-R): Roger in Baltimore, Susan of DT, Charlie Baum, Barry Finn, Unk, Unk, Joe Offer, Jeri, Max, Unk

That was my only Getaway, so far. I had a wonderful time & have considered going again, but for distance & a certain unnamed 'catter who so embarrassed me by openly ridiculing my (supposed)camping snoring at Old Songs that I've been hesitant to ever sleep in the vicinity of others, since that time. Next year might be a possibility, since I'm retired, now, & free as a bird!

Love to all,
bbc aka Beebs aka Barbara

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 06:10 PM

I've resorted to contacting anna. She might remember those people we can't, and possibly vouch for me not being totally fulla poo. Shoulda bet a bottle of scotch or a bag of Cheese Doodles or something...

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: bbc
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 07:33 PM

Just realized I'd had a brain glitch. Vixen's name was Vickie, not Allison, I believe. I was thinking of Animaterra. Silly me!

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 09:17 PM

Apparently, I'm fulla poop, but I don't owe Cheese Doodles to Allan.
I got a reply from Anna. She said she wasn't there in 99, but she's pretty sure she was there in 2000 and 2001.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 09:46 PM

I will guarantee that the woman at far right, kneeling next to Max IS Sondra Steigen.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Allan C.
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 07:05 AM

Jeri, I'll happily owe you a bottle of scotch and I have learned better than to bet on my memory. This is why I am relying heavily upon others to fill in the blanks.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: voyager
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 09:04 AM

dear cyber-friends (FSGW, mudcat)....

There are many great memories wrapped around this photo.
Let me leave you with this thought -
A Parting Glass (Robin Williamson)

BTW - the woman to Sandy's left (Unk) was a student I met online that
road with me to the Getaway.

voyager

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 09:24 AM

I was at that Getaway, but not active in Mudcat. I had been bringing a Zenith 248 ( AT class machine) to copy and distribute the Digital Tradition floppies.





Sonnet 03/11/07                                  MLXV

To absent friends and lost loves let us drink,
Recalling smiles and times that all once shared.
On those no longer near let us now think,
To bring back reasons that for them we cared.
Some are not here, yet still remain, within
The songs and words they left behind. And some
Are in our souls, when hopes or dreams begin:
A part of what each of us have become.
To those apart let us now raise a glass
And take a moment to give thanks for all
That we from others have ourselves received.
The world's a school, and our lives just a class
In playing well with others. Can we call
It more? Are we by our egos deceived?

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: maeve
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 09:28 AM

I've not been to the Getaway, nor can I identify the remaining "Blanks", but I have tried to number and match names so far verified in this thread. I'll send my list and marked photo to Joe in case he can post it.

Maeve

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: maeve
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 09:37 AM

Nice, beardedbruce!

I've sent the list and marked photo to Joe.

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Vixen
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 12:15 PM

Wow--so cool to read all these posts from the wonderful people we met at the few Getaways we got away to before our annual gig at the CT Renaissance Faire ate up all our autumn weekends.

bbc--I don't mind being Allison if I get to have her voice too!
I'm still Vicki, though, and Reynaud is still Tim.

Annamil was definitely at a Ramblewood Getaway, because I remember her SO (whose name I forget) taking a "drum solo" in one of the jam sessions in a cabin there.

I wish I'd met more of the Mudcats and FSGW folks so I could help with the blanks!

And it's bittersweet seeing all the people we truly enjoyed who have passed on...but I do wonder why I'm listed on the OBIT thread as Vic Baker...I'm pretty sure I'm still here. Must be another Vic Baker?

Anyway, sending hugs for all the great memories,

V (&R)

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 01:23 PM

Sorry for getting confused, Vicki, & for misremembering Tim's mudcat name.

Love,

Barbara

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 03:15 PM

Here's the group photo, with labels by Maeve-

(Click to display)

1. voyager / Tim Weil 2. Roger in Baltimore 3. (Blank) 4. ( Blank 1) 5. bbc / Barbara 6. Duane D. 7. Vixen- Vicki Baker 8. Susan of DT 9. (Blank 2) Mary LaMarca ? 10. Reynaud / Tim (Baker?) 11. Lorraine Van Buren

12. Allan C 13. Knitpick / Jennifer Woods 14. Charlie Baum 15. Bill D 16. songbob/Bob Clayton 17. Barry Finn 18. (Blank 3) 19. Uilleand 20. Big Mick 21. Caroline Paton 22. Moonchild

23. Joe Offer 24. Karen k 25. Sandy Paton 26. Jeri 27. Max 28. Cara 29. Sondra Steigen 30. (Blank 4) 31. Dick Greenhouse (Greenhaus) 32. (Blank 5) 33. Ferrara / Rita

BTW - the woman to Sandy's left (Unk) was a student I met online that road with me to the Getaway. voyager (Does he mean Cara?)
Voyager sent a higher-resolution copy of the photo:

Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Allan C.
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 05:07 PM

Just wondering: Could #3 (Blank) possibly be Nancy King?