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FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo

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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo
From: voyager
Date: 19 Oct 20 - 01:41 PM

To restate our mission - A 1999 meeting of the Folklore Society of Greater Washington (fsgw_dot_org) and the Mudcat online traditional music community (mudcat_dot_org). Characters in this crowd include Songster Bob Clayton, Sandy and Carolyn Paton, Big Mick, Roger from Baltimore, Ferrara, Westra, Charlie Baum and the like.   This is the party I belong to.

I was personally honored by Sandy Paton to perform a family version of 'Fox Went Out On a Chilly Night'. This was the first post to the Mudcat in 1999 -

At a family reunion this summer my mother-in-law showed me a version of this folk song which had been in the archives for many years. As an amateur musicologist I was interested in the 'alternate lyrics' to this classic folk song. Thought list readers might be interested so here goes.....

THE FOX

The old fox stepped out one moonshining night
Stood upon his hind feet just about right
I'll have some meat for my supper this night
Before I leave this townee (townee, townee)
I'll have some meat for my supper this night
Before I leave this townee

He went on down to the blacksmith's gate,
There he saw an old black drake
Come on along old drake and go along with me
You're the finest old fellow in this townee
(REPEAT AS PER FIRST VERSE)

The old drake sat still and the word cried NO
Just sat still 'cause he didn't want to go
If you eat no meat 'til you eat meat of mine
You'll eat no meat in the townee
(REPEAT)

He went on down by the farmer's gate
There he saw an old grey goose
Come along old goose and go with me
You're the finest old fellow in the townee
(REPEAT)

The old goose sat still and the word cried NO
Just sat still 'cause he didn't want to go
If you eat no meat 'til you eat meat of mine
You'll eat no meat in the townee
(REPEAT)

He went on home to his den
Out come the young ones 8-9-10
O father, O father when you again
You've had no luck in this townee
(REPEAT)

He went on back on his back track
He took the old grey goose by the neck
Her wing went flip-flop over his back
Her feet went dingle dangle down-ee
(REPEAT)

Old mother tipped up in the bed
Out of the window she poked her head
Old man, old man the grey goose is gone
I thought I heard her go quack, quack-eo
(REPEAT)

The old man jumped up in his shirtail
And with toe dogs on the trail
They caught the fox at the end of the trail
And that was the end of the fox-e-o
(REPEAT)

END

voyager


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo
From: voyager
Date: 19 Oct 20 - 08:24 AM

I think it looks fine Joe.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Oct 20 - 01:04 AM

I got my first digital camera in 2004. The pictures it produces were more-or-less equivalent to 4 x 6 film photographs, or to what I could get from scanning one of those photos. The file size was about 600-800 kb. Looking abck at theme, they seem fairly primitive. And Voyager's photo from 1999 would of course be even more primitive. By 2008, photos were still pretty small but getting better - file size was more like 2.7 MB. The file size on current photos is more like 6.5 MB, and the quality is much better. And I have a 4 terabyte hard drive for my photos and sound files, so I can store stuff like that.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo
From: Jeri
Date: 18 Oct 20 - 06:35 PM

I think a lot of photos back when this one was posted, had to be smaller in size to put on line or to mail. I know I had to sacrifice quality to be able to send stuff with my dial-up modem, and an e-mail program that limited file size. Whoever took it may have the original, but otherwise, this is as good as it gets. Thanks for trying.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Oct 20 - 06:11 PM

There is no way to make that look better - without major major filter work. I pushed it way down, to 400x228px. I'll send that to Joe.

Click to display (joeweb)


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Oct 20 - 05:37 PM

I just constrained it to a smaller area to make the pixels work a little better.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo
From: Jeri
Date: 18 Oct 20 - 05:21 PM

It wasn't photoshopped. You just fucked with it. When I first saw it (years ago, before Joe posted it), I thought it had problems. It had too few pixels. I definitely don't think I look like me.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 18 Oct 20 - 01:48 PM

If you want to call it photoshopped then I should have applied a filter to clear it up a bit more. It's a really small photo. If the original sender can send me as large a copy as he has, I'll see what I can do with it.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Oct 20 - 09:01 PM

Photoshopped version from SRS:

Click to display (joeweb)


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Oct 20 - 07:39 PM

Joe, can you reduce the size of the image as it displays? It's stretched too much and the features aren't clear.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo
From: voyager
Date: 17 Oct 20 - 03:26 PM

Looks good to me .... a segue to the 'Parting Songs' farewell this year.

Thanks for posting.
voyager


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Oct 20 - 03:07 PM

Voyager sent me a color photo of the group of Mudcatters at the Getaway in 1999. Let's see how it turned out.

Click to display (joeweb)


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo
From: Helen
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 03:10 PM

I remember now. Joe Offer looks like Steve Martin.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo
From: Helen
Date: 21 Mar 19 - 03:02 PM

Refreshed in relation to Caroline Paton obit thread.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo
From: bbc
Date: 12 Jan 19 - 06:21 PM

Thanks for reviving this, Joe. I had forgotten we had already gone through the naming exercise. Allan & maeve did a nice job. Nice to see it again & remember that happy time. Really hard to believe it's almost 20 years ago!

best,

bbc


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 19 - 09:43 PM

Bill I saw you before all the name were added.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Jan 19 - 02:51 PM

Yeah, I sure wouldn't bet good money on #15 being you, Bill.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Jan 19 - 10:33 AM

Now I am not sure that IS me in the back row... I may have had someone else take a pic after I did. But Rita & I both are not sure that guy with beard to rt of Bob Clayton is me.. I seldom let my beard grow past muttonchops..


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway 1999 - Group Photo
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Jan 19 - 04:04 PM

Gee, we all look so much younger in this photo....but hey, it was 19 years ago. I can't find Dani in the photo. Where was she? Is that her in the back row, second from the left - #3?


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Jan 19 - 04:19 AM

Here is an enlarged version of the photo with labels that Maeve made:


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Jan 19 - 04:11 AM

BBC asked if we might be able to identify the people in this photo. I see above that this has mostly been accomplished. Any additional comments or information?


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: maeve
Date: 17 Jan 14 - 08:07 PM

Thanks, Bill. I've marked #18 as Nancy-Jean Seigel on my copy.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Jan 14 - 07:57 PM

Yep... looks like her. I have several pics of her that are not online. I don't know if there are still records of who attended that year, but the B&W pic just made me wonder.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: maeve
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 07:28 AM

I think Bill is onto something for #18. Take a look here, Bill: Back row, ninth from the left.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 16 Jan 14 - 06:46 AM

Nope, not me. But happy to be mistaken for Nancy King : )

Dani


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 10:06 PM

Of course, my track record isn't great. I don't even think I look like me in that photo.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 09:57 PM

Not Dani.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Allan C.
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 09:05 PM

It just now dawned on me that #3 Blank must be Dani! I sent her a note seeking confirmation.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: voyager
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 03:27 PM

If a good picture is worth 1000 words, then we're on the way with this FSGW99-Mudcat group photo. So here's a little better resolution -

FSGW99-Mudcat at Prince William Forest Park (hi-res)

Besides Sandy's workshop/sing of 'The Fox' my other highlights that trip were meeting Fortunato (not in photo) and stumbling across a CIA/OSS historical marker on the grounds. Here's that sidebar -

Prince William Forest Park

From 1942 to 1945, at least two branches of the OSS trained on the grounds of Prince William Forest Park—Special Operations (Training Area A) and Communications (Training Area C).

In the security that the forest offered, the Special Operations Branch trained its advanced recruits how to operate behind enemy lines in sabotage, guerilla leadership and other forms of subversion.6 New recruits were tasked with concealing their own identity while trying to learn as much information as possible from fellow trainees. Recruits also were:

    Taught how to use weapons, radios and codes;
    Make and disarm booby traps; and
    Make low-level parachute jumps from aircraft.7

The OSS Communications Branch also trained its recruits in Prince William Forest Park. Recruits in this division learned Morse code and ciphers, covert radio practices and maintenance, as well as the use of weapons and martial arts.

I guess they should have include Folk Music Hootenanny's in their regimen :^D

voyager


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Nancy King
Date: 15 Jan 14 - 12:07 PM

Sorry -- #3 isn't me! Don't know who it is!


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 10:53 PM

*I* think #18 looks like Nancy-Jean Seigel, but Rita doesn't. I'm not sure Nancy-Jean was there that year, but she was certainly known to us and knew us then.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: GUEST,bbc
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 06:58 PM

Delightful, maeve! Thanks so much!

Barbara


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Allan C.
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 05:07 PM

Just wondering: Could #3 (Blank) possibly be Nancy King?


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 03:15 PM

Here's the group photo, with labels by Maeve-
1. voyager / Tim Weil

2. Roger in Baltimore

3. (Blank)

4. ( Blank 1)

5. bbc / Barbara

6. Duane D.

7. Vixen- Vicki Baker

8. Susan of DT

9. (Blank 2) Mary LaMarca ?

10. Reynaud / Tim (Baker?)

11. Lorraine Van Buren

12. Allan C

13. Knitpick / Jennifer Woods

14. Charlie Baum

15. Bill D

16. songbob/Bob Clayton

17. Barry Finn

18. (Blank 3)

19. Uilleand

20. Big Mick

21. Caroline Paton

22. Moonchild

23. Joe Offer

24. Karen k

25. Sandy Paton

26. Jeri

27. Max

28. Cara

29. Sondra Steigen

30. (Blank 4)

31. Dick Greenhouse (Greenhaus)

32. (Blank 5)

33. Ferrara / Rita


BTW - the woman to Sandy's left (Unk) was a student I met online that road with me to the Getaway. voyager (Does he mean Cara?)
Voyager sent a higher-resolution copy of the photo:


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 01:23 PM

Sorry for getting confused, Vicki, & for misremembering Tim's mudcat name.

Love,

Barbara


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Vixen
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 12:15 PM

Wow--so cool to read all these posts from the wonderful people we met at the few Getaways we got away to before our annual gig at the CT Renaissance Faire ate up all our autumn weekends.

bbc--I don't mind being Allison if I get to have her voice too!
I'm still Vicki, though, and Reynaud is still Tim.

Annamil was definitely at a Ramblewood Getaway, because I remember her SO (whose name I forget) taking a "drum solo" in one of the jam sessions in a cabin there.

I wish I'd met more of the Mudcats and FSGW folks so I could help with the blanks!

And it's bittersweet seeing all the people we truly enjoyed who have passed on...but I do wonder why I'm listed on the OBIT thread as Vic Baker...I'm pretty sure I'm still here. Must be another Vic Baker?

Anyway, sending hugs for all the great memories,

V (&R)


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: maeve
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 09:37 AM

Nice, beardedbruce!

I've sent the list and marked photo to Joe.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: maeve
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 09:28 AM

I've not been to the Getaway, nor can I identify the remaining "Blanks", but I have tried to number and match names so far verified in this thread. I'll send my list and marked photo to Joe in case he can post it.

Maeve


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: beardedbruce
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 09:24 AM

I was at that Getaway, but not active in Mudcat. I had been bringing a Zenith 248 ( AT class machine) to copy and distribute the Digital Tradition floppies.





Sonnet 03/11/07                                  MLXV

To absent friends and lost loves let us drink,
Recalling smiles and times that all once shared.
On those no longer near let us now think,
To bring back reasons that for them we cared.
Some are not here, yet still remain, within
The songs and words they left behind. And some
Are in our souls, when hopes or dreams begin:
A part of what each of us have become.
To those apart let us now raise a glass
And take a moment to give thanks for all
That we from others have ourselves received.
The world's a school, and our lives just a class
In playing well with others. Can we call
It more? Are we by our egos deceived?


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: voyager
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 09:04 AM

dear cyber-friends (FSGW, mudcat)....

There are many great memories wrapped around this photo.
Let me leave you with this thought -
A Parting Glass (Robin Williamson)

BTW - the woman to Sandy's left (Unk) was a student I met online that
road with me to the Getaway.

voyager


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Allan C.
Date: 14 Jan 14 - 07:05 AM

Jeri, I'll happily owe you a bottle of scotch and I have learned better than to bet on my memory. This is why I am relying heavily upon others to fill in the blanks.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 09:46 PM

I will guarantee that the woman at far right, kneeling next to Max IS Sondra Steigen.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 09:17 PM

Apparently, I'm fulla poop, but I don't owe Cheese Doodles to Allan.
I got a reply from Anna. She said she wasn't there in 99, but she's pretty sure she was there in 2000 and 2001.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: bbc
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 07:33 PM

Just realized I'd had a brain glitch. Vixen's name was Vickie, not Allison, I believe. I was thinking of Animaterra. Silly me!


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 06:10 PM

I've resorted to contacting anna. She might remember those people we can't, and possibly vouch for me not being totally fulla poo. Shoulda bet a bottle of scotch or a bag of Cheese Doodles or something...


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: bbc
Date: 13 Jan 14 - 11:20 AM

I wrote a detailed post on my desktop computer, but can't get it to post. Just stalls at white screen. I, also, can't login on my desktop, lately; very frustrating. I've sent a PM to Joe, to ask if he'd post it for me.

Best,

bbc
Hi, folks, Got your PM, Allan, on my iPad mini, but can't login on my desktop. I'm not around mudcat much, these days. I spend more time on flickr:

I'm not sure I can be of much help, except in a couple of spelling/name corrections (that I hope are correct!) Caroline was not a member, as I recall, but was always listed as Caroline Paton. Sandy's mudcat name was Sandy Paton. Bob Clayton posted as Songster Bob or Songbob. His wife, Jennifer, posted as Knitpick. I believe Allison's (vixen) sweetheart was Renard, not Renaud. Dick's name is dick greenhaus. I tend to get LaMarca & Susan A-R confused. Were both there? And I'm sad to say I don't recognize Anna. As you note, Allan, the lines are somewhat confusing; here's my best shot:
    Back Row (L-R): voyager, Unk, Unk, Vixen, Renard, Bill D, Big Mick, karen k, Unk, Ferrara
    Middle Row (L-R): bbc, Duane D., LaMarca, Lorraine, Knitpick, Songbob, Unk, Caroline Paton, Sandy Paton, Unk, Unk, dick greenhaus
    Front Row (L-R): Roger in Baltimore, Susan of DT, Charlie Baum, Barry Finn, Unk, Unk, Joe Offer, Jeri, Max, Unk
That was my only Getaway, so far. I had a wonderful time & have considered going again, but for distance & a certain unnamed 'catter who so embarrassed me by openly ridiculing my (supposed)camping snoring at Old Songs that I've been hesitant to ever sleep in the vicinity of others, since that time. Next year might be a possibility, since I'm retired, now, & free as a bird!

Love to all,
bbc aka Beebs aka Barbara


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Allan C.
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 08:49 PM

Thank you very much indeed, Jeri. I do certainly remember her from the gathering she had at her Jersey Shore house in 1998, (as well as the ones she had after). That was when I first met Bill Sables. But damn me for a lousy memory! I really thought she had only been to one Getaway. But I would really have a hard time believing she is Blank5. in truth, I am pretty sure that the one you indicate, Jeri, is not Anna; but I am not acquainted with who else she might be. At the same time I truly appreciate how difficult it is to make a positive ID from this medium quality snapshot. I'm reasonably sure, though, now that you have helped me to remember it, that AnnaP, (as she was known in those days,) and her husband had to leave early, after the first night and therefore, could not have been in the picture.

As my recollection goes, and believe that as you may, we were all packing our cars or getting ready to leave, if we hadn't already done so, and someone cried out that we should have a picture done. So, whichever of us was handy formed ourselves hastily into a pose proper to the occasion,(I think it was along side of the "meeting hall" where we all first assembled and sang in a huge singaround before much else happened,)ad thus the picture was taken. It is as likely to have FSGW members in it as it is to have Mudcat members in it. It may even have spouses of significant others of either caste in it for all I know. I only know that I can't identify a few of them despite being well acquainted with a good many of both FSGW and or Mudcat members of that era.

Please, to avoid more confusion, when someone may attempt to identify Blanks in the photo, name them according to Blank1, Blank2 or Blank3, etc., perhaps helpfully adding of whom they are on the left or right or behind.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 05:41 PM

I'm also going to see if I can find the color version of that pic.... possibly on my old Win 98 computer.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 04:46 PM

I should also mention that I remember her being there for the photo. She'd had a gathering at her house the summer before. I won't guarantee 100% accuracy on my memory, but I'm absolutely sure she was at more than one Getaway.


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Subject: RE: FSGW Getaway99 - Group Photo (Sandy P.)
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Jan 14 - 04:39 PM

Annamill was there.


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