BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Sep 14 - 09:33 AM

Take your meds, BullShot, like a good boy.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Sep 14 - 08:03 AM

"Of the 4,500 rockets fired by Hamas and allies, 875 fell inside Gaza. Many were lobbed at Israeli soldiers during the ground offensive, but others were duds or misfires that landed short, meaning Hamas dropped explosives on its own people.

It is even possible, the intelligence chief said, that some of that fire was intentional."





19.44% hit GAZA- When do we see a BDS against Hamas?

Oh, that's right- A Palestinian civilian killed by an Hamas rocket is ok, like the political killings of those who oppose Hamas. At least according to our resident stooges.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: robomatic
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 09:24 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: robomatic
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 09:23 PM

Bobad wrote:

Israel signed a memorandum of understanding with Jordan Wednesday, under which it will supply the Hashemite Kingdom with $15 billion worth of natural gas from its Leviathan energy field over 15 years.

See, Israel CAN get along with a Palestinian State!

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 06:19 PM

So I guess you DO just want to fling excrement instead of addressing the facts in the Lyon piece.

Big surprise, Bullshot

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 01:05 PM

So, Greggie,

YOU are claiming that the word of a few people represents ALL Israelis, yet the Charter of Hamas is just a few words we can ignore?

The groups in Lyon's article may well have stated the things that are claimed- in SOME countries, there is a thing called free speech. ( Not in Gaza, however).

So what?


The Hamas CHARTER calls for genocide- AND YOU SUPPORT THAT.

Hamas is the supposedly elected government of Gaza. Not a fringe political group.


"Apparently the world is content to ignore the fact that the Hamas Covenant is, in and of itself, a war crime. (A war crime, not yet a genocide.) Apparently the various moral equivalence explainers are unaware that advocating genocide is a punishable war crime, different only in degree from genocide itself. Indeed the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda convicted the perpetrators of a Rwandan radio station of crimes against humanity just for its broadcasts inciting the murder of the Tutsis as that genocide (yes, genocide) got underway. Though neither party is a signatory to the Rome Statute on Genocide, I wouldn't be opposed to that idiot Jewish advocate of genocide being hauled before the International Criminal Court. As long as the entire leadership of Hamas was there in the dock, too, for advocating genocide in their covenant.

Because of course the entire governing entity of Hamas is prima facie guilty of advocating genocide. But the ignoramuses comparing Israelis to Nazis and Gaza to genocide while ignoring actual ongoing genocide in Syria and Iraq must be seen as an excrescence of the enduring double standard to which Israelis—and Jews—are subjected."

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 12:11 PM

Plenty of facts in the Lyons article, BullShot & Boo- want to deal with them, or just fling excrement?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: beardedbruce
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 12:04 PM

Thanks for the confirmation that you condemn Israel without dealing with the facts, Greggie Boy.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 11:58 AM

Thanks for the confirmation that you condemn the source without dealing with the facts, Boo.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 10:11 AM

"So Boo- I guess you're condemning the source ("Protocols") without debating the facts, then, eh?"

Idiot

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 10:09 AM

So Boo- I guess you're condemning the source ("Protocols") without debating the facts, then, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 09:21 AM

RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'

Israel signs $15 billion gas deal with Jordan

Israel signed a memorandum of understanding with Jordan Wednesday, under which it will supply the Hashemite Kingdom with $15 billion worth of natural gas from its Leviathan energy field over 15 years.

The new deal is the largest collaboration with Jordan to date, and will make Israel its chief supplier, according to the Globes business news website.

Read more: Israel signs $15 billion gas deal with Jordan | The Times of Israel http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-signs-15-billion-gas-deal-with-jordan/#ixzz3CG5EpXb8

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 09:14 AM

"So Boo- please tell us in detail why what's presented in "The Protocols Of The Elders of Zion" isn't factual."

Idiot

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 09:11 AM

So Boo- please tell us in detail why what's presented in "The Protocols Of The Elders of Zion" isn't factual.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 08:42 AM

He can't dispute the facts so he attacks the source. Same old tactic .....yawn.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 04:36 AM

Does it contain any errors Jim?
If not, how is the source significant?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 03 Sep 14 - 03:56 AM

"Contrary to the narrative in which Jews are portrayed as "stealing" Arab land, Gush Etzion was actually populated"
Your UNLINKED quote comes from the extremist right-wing (fascist) magazine COMMENTARY dedicated to promoting extremist Zionism to the American people.
From its Wiki profile:
"Benjamin Balint describes it as the "Contentious Magazine That Transformed the Jewish Left Into the Neoconservative Right".[2]"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 06:09 PM

Merciless slaughter in Gaza appalls (Excerpt)
BY GENE LYONS

What's less understood in this country is that Israel has zealots of its own: militant nationalists on Prime Minister Netanyahu's extreme right who believe that the territories he calls "Judea and Samaria" (and the rest of the world calls the West Bank) belong to Jews by divine dispensation, and that the indigenous Palestinians have no rights.

It's to that faction that Netanyahu is speaking when he says, in Hebrew more plainly than in English, "that there cannot be a situation, under any agreement, in which we relinquish security control of the territory west of the river Jordan."

"That sentence, quite simply," comments David Horowitz in The Times of Israel, "spells the end to the notion of Netanyahu consenting to the establishment of a Palestinian state."

In short, not only no peace now, but no peace as long as Netanyahu can prevent it. He may not be so blunt on "Meet the Press," but that's what he's telling his supporters. Israel, after all, has overwhelming military superiority. Why should it risk anything at all for the illusion — as he sees it — of peace?

The New York Times' brilliant columnist Roger Cohen, a South African Jew resident in Europe, has an answer.

A lifelong Zionist, Cohen writes that what he "cannot accept, however, is the perversion of Zionism that has seen the inexorable growth of a Messianic Israeli nationalism claiming all the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River; that has, for almost a half-century now, produced the systematic oppression of another people in the West Bank; that has led to the steady expansion of Israeli settlements on the very West Bank land of any Palestinian state; that isolates moderate Palestinians . . . in the name of divide-and-rule; that pursues policies that will make it impossible to remain a Jewish and democratic state; that seeks tactical advantage rather than the strategic breakthrough of a two-state peace; that blockades Gaza with 1.8 million people locked in its prison and is then surprised by the periodic eruptions of the inmates; and that responds disproportionately to attack in a way that kills hundreds of children."
**

Rest of article Click Here

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 06:07 PM

Missed this part did you Greg...."but also prior to Israel's War of Independence."

Jews lived and owned land for generations in what today is called the West Bank. Their land was taken from them by Jordan when they illegally occupied it and expelled all the Jews. Their land was reclaimed in 1967 when Jordan was defeated after they attacked Israel. What do you not understand about that or do you believe that Jews should not be able to live on land they own in the West Bank?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 05:33 PM

Ah yes: "reclaimed" - that is to say, conquered by military invasion and then occupied.

And now it's been "reclaimed" yet once again by military invasion and occupation.

Jesus wept, Boo.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 03:27 PM

"Israel have just announced that in the spirit of reaching a mutually agreed peace settlement they are planning to use 1,000 acres of recently seized land on the West Bank to build new Settlements."

Contrary to the narrative in which Jews are portrayed as "stealing" Arab land, Gush Etzion was actually populated and owned by Jews not only prior to 1967 but also prior to Israel's War of Independence. Gush Etzion was a bloc of Jewish settlements that was overrun by Jordanian army units and local Palestinians after a bitterly contested siege. Its inhabitants were either massacred or taken prisoner and their homes and farms destroyed. As such, it was the first land to be reclaimed for Jewish settlement after the 1967 war put it back in Israeli hands.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 01:57 PM

THE INEQUALITY REPORT
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 01:30 PM

"Every colour and shade is free to complain there"
And to be shifted onto the local toxic rubbish dump if you happen to be a Bedouin, or ride in certain buses in certain areas if you are a non-Jew....
Don't you mean Israel is rapidly becoming an Apartheid State and as free as thet word implies?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: robomatic
Date: 02 Sep 14 - 11:51 AM

Genocide is currently being practiced in Northern Iraq where there are only ISIS allowed. Yazidi men are killed, their women taken. This is not mere displacement, but death.

Ethnic cleansing might apply to Hamas, due to their noted habit of killing off their own detractors.

Israel is multi-ethnic, and multi-culti. Every colour and shade is free to complain there.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Sep 14 - 09:01 PM

Displacement is a fact of life.

So, unfortunately, is genocide.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: GUEST,hw
Date: 01 Sep 14 - 05:56 PM

'displacement ' is a softer word than ethnic cleansing, particularly in the Indigenous Peoples case.
'Occupied' is becoming politically incorrect.'Disputed' is now in vogue.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: robomatic
Date: 01 Sep 14 - 03:41 PM

During and after the American War of Independence, many Loyalists (to the Crown) left the Colonies and lost their land permanently. Some went back to Mother England, most moved to Canada. They did not (or could not) claim land in the United States as British Territory after the fact.
Displacement is a fact of life. Usually leads to Replacement.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Sep 14 - 03:03 PM

"Good to know there's no such thing as "occupied territories", eh Jim?"
Yup - all a figment of our imagination - must lay off the cooking sherry!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Sep 14 - 01:02 PM

Good to know there's no such thing as "occupied territories", eh Jim?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Sep 14 - 01:00 PM

Open your eyes and see it for what it is Greg.....fight hatred!

Don't tell ME, Boo - tell the Methodist Church, Luxembourg's state pension fund, Norway's YMCA-YWCA, the New Zealand Superannuation Fund, Danske Bank, The Gates Foundation(etc etc), Stephen Hawking, TDesmond Tutu, Theodore Bickel, Zeev Sternhell, Anat Biletzki, Shlomo Sand, Neve Gordon, Oren Yiftachel, A. B. Yehoshua, Amos Oz, David Grossman, and Sami Michael and the thousands of Israeli citizens that SUPPORT BDS & etc.

PARTICULARLY Zeev Sternhell, Anat Biletzki, Shlomo Sand, Neve Gordon, Oren Yiftachel, A. B. Yehoshua, Amos Oz, David Grossman, and Sami Michael (look'em up).

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Sep 14 - 11:53 AM

Israel have just announced that in the spirit of reaching a mutually agreed peace settlement they are planning to use 1,000 acres of recently seized land on the West Bank to build new Settlements.
God moves in a mysterious way!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 01 Sep 14 - 11:21 AM

Open your eyes and see it for what it is Greg.....fight hatred!

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Sep 14 - 10:57 AM

Oh, and Boo- please be sure to let the the Methodist Church, Luxembourg's state pension fund, Norway's YMCA-YWCA, the New Zealand Superannuation Fund, Danske Bank, The Gates Foundation(etc etc), Stephen Hawking, TDesmond Tutu, Theodore Bickel, Zeev Sternhell, Anat Biletzki, Shlomo Sand, Neve Gordon, Oren Yiftachel, A. B. Yehoshua, Amos Oz, David Grossman, and Sami Michael and the thousands of Israeli citizens that SUPPORT BDS that they're all raving anti-semites, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Sep 14 - 10:45 AM

Rave on, Boo. Same demented no-evidence bullshit as ever.

Boring.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 01 Sep 14 - 10:32 AM

So BDS is a vast international anti-Israel (antisemetic?) conspiracy, bent on the destruction of Israel, Robo?

Yes

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 01 Sep 14 - 09:08 AM

So BDS is a vast international anti-Israel (antisemetic?) conspiracy, bent on the destruction of Israel, Robo? I see you've gone over to the BooBeards.

Are those 'nonaligned' members of the BDS movement truly pressuring for fairness?

Yes.

Or are they useful idiots in the service of aggression by any means?

No.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: robomatic
Date: 31 Aug 14 - 08:18 PM

I know somebody suggested that Hamas could spend more time digging shelters for their people and less time digging tunnels for attacking Israeli civilians; that Hamas could buy fewer attack rockets and thus have more money for items like food and durable goods for their own economy. That Hamas could refrain from launching their weapons into Israel as first strike weaponry, then either gloat over Israeli deaths, or claim that every dead Palestinian is a female, civilian, or child, which in many cases is true since they used all conditions as cannon fodder around their mobile launch centers.

Meanwhile, the BDS movement is more and more obviously an attempt at defeating Israel by taking any and all routes - civil, military, legal, illegal, and saying Anything that will get them where they want to be - on Israeli territory without being bothered by Jewish citizens.
The only really believable argument on their side is in the Hamas Charter, which has been constant and consistent from Day One. It is concerned with victory, which is a long way from legality and fairness.
BDS can gain traction in one of two ways: Be seen as an istrement demanding fair treatment of all parties, or as an inexorable attempt to pressure Israel with the weight of the world isolating her. But if it tries to do both at the same time it will fracture internally due to perceived inconsistency in its motivations. Are those 'nonaligned' members of the BDS movement truly pressuring for fairness? Or are they useful idiots in the service of aggression by any means?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Aug 14 - 11:47 AM

Did somebody suggest that the Gazan authorities should be spending money feeding its people rather than defending itself against Israeli armed aggression - wonder what made them think that?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Aug 14 - 11:23 AM

So it WAS just more irrelevant BruceShit, eh Boo?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 30 Aug 14 - 11:11 AM

Just giving you a hot tip on where to invest your money Greg.....you're welcome.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Aug 14 - 10:34 AM

So?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 30 Aug 14 - 08:21 AM

1984 to 2014 in Israel: GDP per capita from $7K to $38K(above Italy, close to Japan and France), the budget deficit 17% to 3%; defense budget 20% to 6%;currency reserves $3bln to $89bln, exports $10bln to $90bln; high tech exports $1bln to $28bln.R&D 1.3% to 4.2% of GDP,population 4.1 million to 8.2 million,etc

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Aug 14 - 09:40 AM

"as your anonymous Cut-N-Paste makes clear."
"Israellycool - Down Under and Anglo Punditry in the Middle East. Conservative weblog by an Australian and friends, living in Israel"
Real experts in the field of Middle Eastern politics
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Aug 14 - 08:35 AM

But Boo- the move has nothing to DO with BDS - as your anonymous Cut-N-Paste makes clear.

Afraid even you can't spin this one.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 26 Aug 14 - 10:34 AM

BDS Victory Sees 900 Palestinians Out Of A Job

Posted by: Deebo in Deebo August 26, 2014        

We would like to wish the folks of the BDS Movement a hearty congratulations on achieving what is definitely a well-deserved victory in the battle against the occupation.

Unfortunately I am referring to the occupation of the 900+ "West Bank" and "East" Jerusalem Palestinian men and women at the Sodastream factory in Ma'ale Adumim.

That's right. As of 2015, the Sodastream plastics and metals factory in Ma'ale Adumim will be closing its doors and moving to its much larger $40 million facilities near the town of Lahavim in the Negev. This leaves all the previously highly satisfiedPalestinian employees out of a job.

The new plant will still be practicing its equal opportunity hiring policies and will provide employment to the region's Bedouin and African refugee population but this time on uncontested Israeli soil (it's uncontested unless you're a terrorist).

Regardless I'm still willing to bet the haters will still claim they are abusing Bedouins or something. …. … what's that? They already have? (Damn you, Ali A-bomb-a-nation).

Don't get too excited, the decision to move is purely operational, but regardless. BDS. You wanted it? You got it. Unemployed Palestinians.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Aug 14 - 08:23 AM

"You should have read it when you could."
No - you put up the information (not just spurious claims by Israel that I have no access to anyway) - I don't trust isreal's claims and I certainlty don't accept your version of them.
Until you do, this figure remains unchallenged
"As of Thursday, 76.8 percent of the 2,090 fatalities"
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Aug 14 - 07:22 AM

So, when I put up the link it could be opened.
The opening statement you quoted was challenged in the rest of the piece.
You should have read it when you could.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Aug 14 - 06:10 AM

"Haaretz put up a pay wall yesterday afternoon."
So?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Aug 14 - 04:40 AM

Haaretz put up a pay wall yesterday afternoon.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Aug 14 - 05:17 PM

So many of those'terrorist operatives' were ... hiding in the womb.

As The Lord Protector told us RE: Irish babies: "Nits make lice". This is just the same principle brought down to date.