BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 02 Aug 14 - 07:13 PM

The Israeli economy is booming, as can be seen from the comments of a very wide variety of sources and experts (which John Kerry and many others should read and recognize):

• "Technology companies and global investors are beating a path to Israel and finding unique combinations of audacity, creativity, and drive everywhere they look. Which may explain why, in addition to boasting the highest density of start-ups in the world (a total of more than 3,850 start-ups one for every 1,844 Israelis) more Israeli companies are listed on the NASDAQ exchange than all companies from the entire European continent." – Dan Senor and Saul Singer

• "Israel, the land of milk and honey, is now also the home of business success, opportunity and major growth." – Hedge Fund Billionaire Henry Swieca

• "If you're going to the Middle East to look for oil, you can skip Israel. However, if you're looking for brains, look no further. [Israel] has a disproportionate amount of brains and energy." – Warren Buffet

• "[Israel is] the most important high-tech center in the world after the US." – Eric Schmidt

• "Tel Aviv has been named the second best place in the world in which to launch a high-tech startup company." – Viva Sarah Press

• "Israel has an enormous cash reserve of some $80 billion." – Hezi Sternlicht

• "Science and technology in Israel is one of the country's most highly developed and industrialized sectors. The percentage of Israelis engaged in scientific and technological inquiry, and the amount spent on research and development (R&D) in relation to gross domestic product (GDP), is amongst the highest in the world." – InvestInIsrael.gov

• "So why Tel Aviv? The city is overflowing with software developers and venture capital. Larger companies, including Google, have set up offices there. Facebook is now there, too, after acquiring facial-recognition developer Face.com in June." – Bloomberg.com

• "The Israeli startup scene needs little introduction. Tel Aviv is rapidly becoming one of the most innovative tech hubs on the planet, vying with London, New York and Berlin as Silicon Valley's second." – Monty Munford

• "Israel has a highly educated entrepreneurial community (40% with Masters/PhD vs. 42% in Silicon Valley)." – Zack Miller

• "From VC funds to conglomerates, foreign government partners to a smart international workforce, Israel has it all." – Ron Hershco, Brooklyn & Israel financier

• "Swiss research institute IMD releases World Competitiveness Yearbook, ranks Bank of Israel first among world's central banks." — Olga Viniar

• "It should be noted that Israel's ranking first in terms of the market's durability in the face of crises is the direct result of the Treasury and the Bank of Israel's actions, which withstood the pressures and did not pump funds into failing organizations and financial systems as the US and Europe did." – Uriel Linn

• "Israel is good at creating international cooperation for funding in the R&D programs they establish. And they provide a great ROI when done correctly." – Ann Liebschutz

• "Israel has one of the world's fastest growing developed economies." – Moital.gov.il

• "Israel's output growth remains relatively strong, unemployment is at historically low levels, its high-tech sector continues to attract international admiration, and new off-shore gas fields have come on stream." – 2013 Israel Economic Survey

• "We find ourselves in an age when both data is bursting forth via the Internet, and the economy continues to become more globalized than ever. For us it is a challenge, but even more, it is an opportunity." – Benjamin Netanyahu

• "Steve Ballmer [Microsoft's CEO] calls Microsoft as much an Israeli company as an American company, because of the importance of its Israeli technologies. Google, Cisco, Intel, Microsoft, eBay…live and die by the work of [their] Israeli teams…. Israel, a tiny nation of immigrants torn by war, has managed to become the first technology nation…." – Wall Street Journal

No matter what detractors of the Jewish people there have been throughout history, the Jewish people have survived. The economy of Israel will continue to thrive and grow – and when there is a will, there is a way. Indeed, as my mother used to say: "This too shall pass."

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Aug 14 - 05:57 PM

Israel, by its attacks on Gaza, has created hundreds, if not thousands, of terrorists. Not my words but those of Paddy Pantsdown. Jesus, at last a politician of any colour who has the temerity to call Israel's actions disproportionate, indiscriminate and foolish. Paddy's always been a bit of a twat but kudos to the man for this. I suppose he doesn't have to worry about any Israel lobby breathing down his neck these days.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Aug 14 - 03:55 AM

"Address the questions asked and the points put forward."
Probably not the answer you want, but you can't please all the right-wing nutcases all of the time
THE INEQUALITY REPORT

ISRAEL'S APARTHEID STATE

SETTLEMENTS

BEDOUINS

WALLS

As I said, not the answers you were looking for - better luck next time!
"As we all know, minnow, you're barking mad."
Encourage Israel to develop its arms indistry - barking mad just about sums it up -

CUSTOMER FOR ISRAELI ARMS

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Aug 14 - 06:00 PM

As we all know, minnow, you're barking mad.

I note that Mr Obama is getting apoplectic about the capture of a single Israeli soldier (apparently forgetting the thousands of Palestinians, including hundreds of women and children, held without charge in Israeli jails - great democracy, huh?). Pity he can't get quite so apoplectic about the slaughter of hundreds of children in Gaza. I note how nasty he can be about the Russians, who might, indirectly, have been somewhat responsible for about 300 deaths in that aircraft rocketing. Yet he can't get all nasty about them Israelis, who have killed five times as many as were killed in that aeroplane. Forgive me for concluding that Mr Obama dare not even raise the slightest finger of criticism against Israel, as, if he did, he and his party would be toast at the next election, thanks to AIPAC and their fellow-travellers. In the Great Democracy, the Land Of The Free, one of the most undemocratic organisations one could possibly imagine holds all the reins of power. Brief against Israel? Sure, go ahead, but, if you do, you're toast. My belief is that most yanks even on internet forums dare not even breathe AIPAC's name. I'm certainly not expecting it here. Hands up for democracy, anyone?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 01 Aug 14 - 05:21 PM

The US aid to Israel and the sale of US weapons to Israel HAS to stop COMPLETELY!

If the US stops forcing Israel to buy its weapons, then Israel will be able to use it's own ingenuously manufactured weapons, which will give Israel's economy a MASSIVE boost. Israel's "alliance" with the US is detrimental and crippling to Israel on all fronts, especially the economic front.

A brilliant piece by Canadian journalist Lawrence Solomon on the subject: Israel's growth industry

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 10:51 AM

The civil and human rights of all those irrespective of race, creed and colour, currently living under the laws and governance of the State of Israel are fully fully protected and guaranteed by the secular state of Israel.


Uh-Huh. T-Bird & Boo, you need to explore the difference between what laws may be on the books, and how these laws are - or are not - applied.

A study of the 13th, 14th, and 15th Ammendments to the U.S. Constitution and the period 1875 to the present would be an instructive parallel example.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 10:22 AM

The whys and the facts are irrelevant to those driven by hate.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 09:39 AM

Address the questions asked and the points put forward.

The civil and human rights of all those irrespective of race, creed and colour, currently living under the laws and governance of the State of Israel are fully fully protected and guaranteed by the secular state of Israel.

The civil and human rights of all those irrespective of race, creed and colour, currently living under the laws and governance of Hamas in side GAZA are basically stuffed.

The civil and human rights of all those irrespective of race, creed and colour, currently living under the laws and governance of the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank are basically stuffed.

Same goes for the Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, etc, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 09:27 AM

Greg old son in the war of 1948...

And here I thought we were discussing the current situation, T-Bird, not events of 66 years ago. Talk about "evasion".

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 06:48 AM

Stringsinger if you cannot answer the questions put to you why not just say so.

My Question to Stringsinger: "Why after NINE Years under a Palestinian Government of their own choosing are there EIGHT Refugee Camps in GAZA?

Stringsingers "self-explanatory Answer: The Palestinian Government is not allowed to exist by Israel.

Really??

1947 - The UN proposed a Two State Solution to resolve what they though of as irreconcilable differences. The Jews of Palestine accepted that proposal, the Arabs of Palestine (Encouraged by their Arab neighbours) refused.

Now under those circumstances who was it that refused to allow a separate Palestinian State to exist? - The Arabs

Opportunity Number One thrown away by the Arabs.

1949 - The UN brokered a ceasefire that was accepted by Israel, who did comply with its stipulations. Egypt and Jordan stole large chunks of land now surprisingly claimed by the Arabs of Palestine with no Arab nation acknowledging the right of the State of Israel to exist. Why? Because despite signing the ceasefire their intent was still geared to driving the Jews of Palestine into the sea.

Now under those circumstances who was it that refused to allow a separate Palestinian State to exist? - The Arabs

Opportunity Number Two thrown away by the Arabs

1956 - Another UN Brokered ceasefire that the Arabs of Palestine and their Arab neighbours were forced through military defeat to sign. Once again no intention whatsoever of complying with it on the part of the Arabs. Once again the Israelis comply fully. Egypt and Jordan get to hold onto Palestinian land that they had stolen in 1948 and on that Palestinian land they imprison Palestinian Arabs in refugee camps.

Now under those circumstances who was it that refused to allow a separate Palestinian State to exist? - The Arabs

Opportunity Number Three thrown away by the Arabs

1967 - Another war provoked by Israel's Arab neighbours resulting in a crushing defeat for the pan-Arabist forces led by Egypt. Israel recaptures and liberates the former Palestinian lands stolen by Egypt and Jordan in 1948. Parts of Lebanon and Syria are taken and held in order to improve Israels defences and make her more secure from attack. Read the three NOs declared by the Arabs in the Khartoum Declaration of November 1967 and then tell me if any Arab State or entity intended ever complying with the UN brokered ceasefire following the "Six Day War".

Now under those circumstances who was it that refused to allow a separate Palestinian State to exist? - The Arabs

Opportunity Number Four thrown away by the Arabs



1973 - Arabs attack Israel in what became known as the "Yom Kippur War" Once again the Egyptians and Syrians suffer a humiliating defeat of epic proportions, the Jordanians and the Lebanese this time have the good sense to keep out of it. At the end of this war it starts to dawn on the Egyptians and the Syrians that they are never, ever going to defeat the IDF.

Now under those circumstances who was it that refused to allow a separate Palestinian State to exist? - The Arabs

Opportunity Number Five thrown away by the Arabs

1970 - Tosser Arafat's unsuccessful attempt to steal and take over the Kingdom of Jordan with his Palestinian refugees.

1979 - Egypt - Israel Peace Treaty - Land for Peace - A treaty that has held and lived up to by both sides. Palestinians now basically cut loose by Egypt.

1987 - Start of the First Intifada {1987 to 1991} - Again the Arabs elect to fight rater than negotiate.

Opportunity Number Six thrown away by the Arabs

1988 - Jordan relinquishes its claims to the West bank and East Jerusalem and strips West Bank Palestinians of Jordanian citizenship. Palestinians now basically cut loose by Jordan.

1993 - Oslo Accords agreement on many things reached by Arafat could not deliver on recognition of the State of Israel

Opportunity Number Seven thrown away by the Arabs

1994 - Jordan - Israel Peace Treaty - A treaty that has held and lived up to by both sides.

2000 - Camp David Summit - Again agreement almost reached but Tosser Arafat snatches defeat from the Jaws of Victory:

"I regret that in 2000 Arafat missed the opportunity to bring that nation into being and pray for the day when the dreams of the Palestinian people for a state and a better life will be realized in a just and lasting peace." - Bill Clinton, President of the United States of America

Opportunity Number Eight thrown away by the Arabs

OK Stringsinger how many more examples do you want? How many more opportunities will be thrown away by the Arabs?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 03:52 AM

Further to Teribus' post above. It wasn't in fact "the Arabs of Palestine", even insofar as they constituted any identifiable single entuty, who rejected the two-state UN proposal of 1948. Left to themselves they might well have accepted it. But it was their ethnic "brothers" in all the surrounding states -- Saudi, Lebanon, Transjordan, Egypt, Yemen, Iran, Iraq - who forbade them to do so, ordering them to leave their homes 'temporarily' while they marched in and destroyed the new-found State of Israel. As it turned out, they weren't quite such efficient "Drivers of the Jews into the Sea" as they had anticipated. With results still being felt, as we all know.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Teribus
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 02:24 AM

OK I will ask the question that you both have "ducked" yet again:

"Tell me why after NINE years of Palestinian self-government in GAZA there are EIGHT Palestinian Refugee Camps in GAZA on Palestinian soil?"


Greg F's evasion - "Hint, T-Bird: Were have thousands of Palestinians 1. been displaced from & 2. been denied basic civil rights??"

Greg old son in the war of 1948, the war that the Arabs of Palestine chose to fight instead of accepting the Two State Solution on offer not only thousands of Arabs were displaced, Jewish communities were forced to flee and were displaced too. After the 1967 "Six-Day War" over 820,000 Jews were forcibly dispossessed of their property and forcibly deported from Arab countries - But, guess what Greg F? There have never been refugee camps set up inside Israel - all who fled were assimilated into the community at large. A community that respects and guarantees basic civil and human rights under a secular government and a common law.

Wasn't the same in the areas taken by force by the Egyptians (GAZA) or by the Jordanians (West Bank & East Jerusalem), both of whom stole Palestinian Territory and imprisoned the Palestinians inside refugee camps set up on Palestinian land, where they were denied any basic civil rights, not being allowed to integrate and not being allowed to work - you see they had to "maintained" as political pawns in abject poverty so that the begging bowl could be shoved forward to "help" the "poor refugees" - those poor refugees however saw little or none of the aid given though did they? Check Tosser Arafat's bank balances.

Civil rights in Gaza under Hamas? I think there were quite a few supporters of the rival political faction Al-Fatah taken prisoner by Hamas in Gaza received free flying lessons from the top of a high-rise buildings that was the Hamas contribution to Arab civil rights in area under their control.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 16 Jun 14 - 10:59 AM

Israel is not a theocracy and never has been. Members of some religious parties have served as members of some of its coalition governments, but they have never formed any sort of majority. The government has always been secular in its legislations. In what sense do you consider it any sort of "theocracy", in the way that several Islamic states are, where it is imams (members of the priesthood) who form the government? I don't think you know quite what a theocracy is.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 16 Jun 14 - 10:58 AM

"Israel is not a democracy but a theocracy."

More lies to delegitimize and demonize the only democracy in the Middle East.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Stringsinger
Date: 16 Jun 14 - 10:51 AM

>A Question: "Why after NINE Years under a Palestinian Government of their own choosing are there EIGHT Refugee Camps in GAZA?

The answer is self-explanatory. The Palestinian Government is not allowed to exist by Israel.
Somehow the implication that there are refugee camps in Gaza is that Israel has done
something constructive for Palestinians which is a false premise.

The problem lies much deeper having to do with the religious ideologies of both Judaism and
Islam. At present, they are mortal enemies and this influences their foreign policies.

Israel is not a democracy but a theocracy. Unfortunately, the same can be said for a majority of Islamic dominated societies that insist on Sharia law. The US is struggling to remain a secular society by those who are attempting to Christianize it.

The answer is to get religion out of the public sphere.

Religion=militocracy as each belief system attempts to weaponize in its fight for it own ideology.

Today, antisemitism must include all the mid-east tribes including Islam for the epithet to make any reasonable sense.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jun 14 - 10:37 AM

Hint, T-Bird: Were have thousands of Palestinians 1. been displaced from & 2. been denied basic civil rights??

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Teribus
Date: 16 Jun 14 - 10:10 AM

As far as I am aware the Israelis unilaterally withdrew from Gaza in 2005 and the Palestinians there decided to elect Hamas as their local rulers as opposed to Al-Fatah the party of choice for those Palestinians living on the West Bank.

So can you tell me why after NINE years of Palestinian self-government in GAZA there are EIGHT Palestinian Refugee Camps on Palestinian soil?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jun 14 - 10:01 AM

You talkin' about the Occupied Territories there, T-bird?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Teribus
Date: 16 Jun 14 - 09:07 AM

To Simon Shaw/Troubadour/Greg F & Stringsinger -

A Question: "Why after NINE Years under a Palestinian Government of their own choosing are there EIGHT Refugee Camps in GAZA?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 16 Jun 14 - 08:43 AM

Militocracy by definition eh Troub - I guess you don't know the definition of militocracy.

By your erroneous definition these countries would be militocracies:

    Armenia
    Austria
    Belarus
    Azerbaijan
    Bermuda
    Brazil
    Myanmar (Burma)
    Cyprus
    Denmark
    Egypt
    Finland
    Greece   
    Iran
    Israel
    North Korea
    South Korea
    Mexico
    Norway
    Russia
    Singapore
    Switzerland
    Taiwan (ROC)
    Thailand
    Turkey
    Ukraine

I would say that your attempt to demonize the only democracy in the Middle East has failed - you'll have to keep digging

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 10:35 PM

Like Switzerland, Troub? Or have they 'seen the light'?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: GUEST,Troubadour.
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 09:17 PM

Come off it Bobad.

Any country which needs to insist that every citizen serve in the armed forces and retain arms at home, is a militocracy by definition.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 02:36 PM

And they're both lies but that doesn't stop the haters from repeating them.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 01:34 PM

Previously it was a theocracy now it's a militocracy.

No conflict there - its BOTH.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 12:21 PM

Previously it was a theocracy now it's a militocracy. It is in fact a democracy - the only one in a neighbourhood of theocracies and militocracies. More inane buzzwords from comrade Stringsinger.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Stringsinger
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 10:20 AM

Israel has become a huge militocracy, a chief exporter of weapons systems, a repressive regime to Palestinians who are second class citizens in that country. The idea that they
offer any olive branch at all is entirely risible. BDS represents a non-violent approach to the problem.

The ridiculous notion that israel has given Gaza money and aid is belied by the current situation which is that only if Palestinians give up any hope for a two-state solution and succumb to the dictatorship of the Israeli government, then the Israeli government can declare a bogus "peace". It's been unfortunate that the Palestinian reaction has been to
throw rocks and meager rockets at an army of tanks, phosphorous bombs, bulldozers, weapons of mass destruction and an oppressive military operation, since the only solution, which is one offered by BDS which makes it credible in the world is a non-violent one in addition to the various international aid ships attempting to reach Gaza with needed medical supplies.

BDS is about actually helping Israel to survive rather than become a pariah to the international community. But hard-liners of the militocracy seem unable to grasp this fact.

In short, Israel is shooting itself in the foot.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 10:11 AM

Poor Greg, I'm sure he doesn't grasp the irony of his previous posts.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 09:39 AM

Correction: That should read "M and Boo" and "yourselves"

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 09:37 AM

to learn how to stop being such a dogmatic repetitive bore,

Now THAT'S amusing, Boo - coming from a one trick pony such as yiourself.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 08:18 AM

History and military might Mike - nothing more
The cause of the original problem is shared by all sides; the responsibility for the present crisis should reflect that fact.
The alternative is to leave the victims were they are and continue adding to them, as is happening at the present time.
Israel is about as good at peace talks as you are with humanity - not very
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 07:35 AM

The ones in the camps in Lebanon & Syria weren't forced there by Israel 20 years ago, but by their Arab mates 'rescuing' them 66 years ago. It's a bloody crying disgrace to every Arab state in the Middle East that the great-grandchildren of those Palestinians told to move out temporarily, no more than a month or two, to make way for the conquering Arab hordes who were going to drive Israel into the sea, wipe the Jews off the face of the earth, & all the rest of their grand rhetoric, are still in camps. And the countries they were forced out to still haven't done anything to try to absorb them -- which they could have done 100 times over if they knew their arses from their elbows & knew anything about anything except making a lot of fierce noise & killing one another. Just look what's going on in Syria.

And they have votes in the UN General Assembly along with all the other stupid bloody pathetic tinpots who keep on passing their ɷ·hole 'resolutions'

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 07:00 AM

"Who started that conflict in 1948, then, after the Israelis had agreed to the UN Partition Plan?"
How many times do we have to go through this
A plan that was foisted on both sides and satisfactory to neither was foisted on the legitimate occupants of Palestine by a Britain anxious to rid itself of a problem of history - as with Ireland, the result was permanent warfare.
Whatever the politicians of all sides did in 1948 - the end result was as the figures described.
Continuing military expansionist aggression aimed at creating a mono-cultural state is adding to those numbers daily.
To suggest that those people have no right to their former homeland is equivalent to claiming that those who were defeated in any war you care to mention had no right to return to theirs.
When will you people get it into your heads that this is about the suffering of impoverished human beings and not about 70 year old bits of paper drawn up by politicians - or is might always right?
"Come on" indeed.
Can I recommend another film 'When I Saw You" - set in one of the Palestinian refugees camps?
It depicts the conditions of refugees forced into tent towns in the desert, some having existed there for over twenty years, by Israeli military aggression
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 05:08 AM

"People whose normal place of residence was Palestine between June 1946 and May 1948, who lost both their homes and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict."
.,,.
How many times have we been thru all this before?

Who started that conflict in 1948, then, after the Israelis had agreed to the UN Partition Plan?

Who displaced all those Palestinian Arabs by telling them to move out of the way just while they polished off the Israelis, and then they could come back?

Who then lost the conflict, for all their bravado & superior numbers, leaving all their Palestinian oppos stranded in their own countries [where so many of them, all these years later, are still in refugee camps!]?

So what should the Israelis have done -- said to them all "Sorry we beat all those thousands who were trying so hard to help you by wiping us all out, but come on back home just the same; and maybe you can have another go in a year or two"?

Oh, come on!

It's a pity the Israelis have now blown it with their aggressive bullying. But it won't help make them change these ways by going on with this selective-memory account of how their state first emerged, and how much help for it they got from their friendly helpful neighbours, will it?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 04:56 AM

No -- you 'get help', GregF....

....to learn how to stop being such a dogmatic repetitive bore, and put a proper argument together for once.

Never known such an assertive "that's-what-I-think-so-that's-all-that-needs-to-be-said" merchant!


~M~

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 03:37 AM

The one who keeps trying to drive the other out is the Arab.

More Jews were displaced than Arabs.
They just were the ones allowed to settle by their own people.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 03:23 AM

"There are no illegal settlements "
There are two groups of people in the Middle East - the Arabs and the Israelis.
Both have been there for millenia and both have a claim (by birthright) to live there.
One has, from the inception of the state of Israel, steadily drive the other out by force of arms.
Some facts and figures:
The total number of displaced Palestinians worldwide is 7.1 million, including:
6.6 million refugees, and 427,000 internally displaced persons (IDPs)
67 percent of all Palestinians worldwide are refugees or IDPs
4,766,670 refugees registered with the UNRWA
UNRWA definition of Palestinian refugees: "People whose normal place of residence was Palestine between June 1946 and May 1948, who lost both their homes and means of livelihood as a result of the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict." refugees in the Middle East who have no right to a place in their historical homeland.
That is the situation human beings should be addressing, not scraps of paper - anything else is militarism and politics.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Jun 14 - 11:15 PM

It doesn't take much for some people and groups to buy into lies and propaganda

As evidenced primarily by yourself, Boo. Get help.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 14 Jun 14 - 09:49 PM

"During the recent "peace talks", Israel was busy stealing more of the West Bank."

There are no illegal settlements - unless of course one assumes that Jews should not own property or build in those areas because they are Jews. Every current Jewish "settlement" is on land owned by Jews before 1948 or purchased after 1967. Settlements that tried to set up on land that was not Jewish owned have been dismantled. We continue to hear the term "illegal", but "legal and illegal" has to be more that political desires and interests. It has to refer to law. And, frankly, law established during the illegal Jordanian occupation of the area in which jewish property was confiscated and retitied, and current PA regulations that ban sales or ownership of property by Jews is not valid.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 14 Jun 14 - 09:43 PM

During the recent "peace talks", Israel was busy stealing more of the West Bank.

Is it any wonder that the Palestinians who are crammed into two effective prison camps, don't trust the Israeli government?

I certainly wouldn't trust anyone who was patting me on the back while nicking my watch and wallet, no matter what nationality.

And there has to be a limit on how long the Nazi atrocities can be used as an excuse for incarcerating a nation.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 14 Jun 14 - 09:25 PM

"Why is Israel being held to standards that the Arab nations are not held to?"

Because Israel is the only nation whose government is still annexing land illegally, which it has been doing continuously since 1967.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 14 Jun 14 - 08:00 PM

It doesn't take much for some people and groups to buy into lies and propaganda especially when Jews are the target, as evidenced by some posters here.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Jun 14 - 06:37 PM

So the U.S. Methodists and Presbyterians are extremist bigots out to destroy Israel?

You ain't amusing any more, Boo - you're psychotic. Get help.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 14 Jun 14 - 05:42 PM

"The hate behind boycotting Israel is no secret. Even the founder of BDS, Omar Barghouti, admits the end goal of the BDS movement is not peace — it's the destruction of the state of Israel as a Jewish state."

Faces Of Hate:The Extremists and Bigots Behind BDS

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Jun 14 - 05:16 PM

Which anti-Semites, Boo- the Methodists or the Presbyterians?

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 14 Jun 14 - 05:16 PM

Meanwhile Israel's trade with Muslim countries is flourishing:The badly kept secret of Israel's trade throughout the Muslim world

I guess Egypt missed the BDS train as evidenced by the recent 11 billion dollar gas deal with Israel: Egypt's Lost Power

Buycott companies Jew haters want you to boycott:Buycott

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 14 Jun 14 - 04:52 PM

That's what anti-Semites would say no doubt.

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Jun 14 - 03:14 PM

Anti-Israeli propaganda - faked by Israeli soldiers, no doubt
Jim Carroll

Antisemitic propaganda, no doubt

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 14 Jun 14 - 02:41 PM

Presbyterians in key moment on Israel, divestment
Associated Press
By RACHEL ZOLL 14 June 2014

NEW YORK (AP) — The Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) appears to be on the brink of handing a major victory to a movement that wants institutions to wield their investment dollars against Israel over its treatment of the Palestinians.

The Presbyterian General Assembly, gathering in Detroit through next week, will consider withdrawing its investments from some companies whose products are used by the Israeli government in the Palestinian territories. Divestment advocates were narrowly outmaneuvered at the last Presbyterian convention in 2012, losing a crucial ballot by just two votes. They enter this year's fight with signs of increasing momentum, within and outside the church. ...

Rest of article:
http://news.yahoo.com/presbyterians-key-moment-israel-divestment-050919917.html

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Jun 14 - 10:06 AM

Methodists to Sell Shares as a Protest Over Israel

By Laurie Goodstein June 12, 2014

The pension board of the nation's largest mainline Protestant denomination, the United Methodist Church, has decided to divest its shares in a British company that supplies security equipment to Israel for use in prisons and in the occupied West Bank....

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/13/us/methodists-to-sell-shares-as-a-protest-over-israel.html?ref=us

Subject: RE: BS: BDS of Israel 'Gathering Weight.'
From: bobad
Date: 24 May 14 - 08:08 PM

Anti Israel propaganda from the BDS crowd:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhuAh5Yb9f0