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Lyr Req: Why Did I Join the CCC? / Loveless CCC

-=Jim=- 16 Nov 99 - 07:43 PM
Art Thieme 16 Nov 99 - 08:34 PM
-=Jim=- 17 Nov 99 - 12:07 PM
Sean 17 Nov 99 - 06:12 PM
Reiver 2 17 Nov 99 - 08:17 PM
catspaw49 17 Nov 99 - 10:41 PM
Pete Peterson 18 Nov 99 - 11:19 AM
Penny S. 18 Nov 99 - 11:27 AM
catspaw49 18 Nov 99 - 11:39 AM
Art Thieme 18 Nov 99 - 05:36 PM
pearson@otenet.gr 19 Nov 99 - 04:20 PM
_gargoyle 19 Nov 99 - 09:38 PM
Joe Offer 20 Nov 99 - 01:26 AM
Art Thieme 20 Nov 99 - 11:09 AM
GUEST,Parthenon 27 Dec 00 - 05:22 PM
GUEST,Lyle 27 Dec 00 - 06:12 PM
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GUEST,John G. 09 Dec 14 - 05:55 PM
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Subject: Why Did I Join the CCC?
From: -=Jim=-
Date: 16 Nov 99 - 07:43 PM

I was surprised this isn't in the database, yet another song we used to do in high school... "Why Did I Join the CCC", roughly to the tune of Careless Love. Good picking opportunities in it. -=Jim=-


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Subject: Lyr Add: LOVELESS C.C.C.
From: Art Thieme
Date: 16 Nov 99 - 08:34 PM

LOVELESS C.C.C.

Why did I join the C.C.C. (3)
The old hard labor is killing me.

They treat me like a dirty dog,
I have to slave down in a bog,
They treat me like a hog,
Oh, why did I join the C.C.C.

I have to work most every day,
Five bucks a month is my pay,
I'm just a wasting my life away,
Oh, why did I join the C.C.C.

(This song was collected in Brawley, California by Margaret Valient -- 1939 -- Library of Congress LC 3563A2. It was recorded by The New Lost City Ramblers (actually the duo of Tom Paley on guitar & Mike Seeger on harmonica) on their Folkways LP SONGS FROM THE DEPRESSION FH 5264 in 1959)

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Why Did I Join the CCC?
From: -=Jim=-
Date: 17 Nov 99 - 12:07 PM

Thanks Art - and now I DO remember that LP; I can even see the cover picture!

(Sorry about the double-posted thread!) -=Jim=-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Why Did I Join the CCC?
From: Sean
Date: 17 Nov 99 - 06:12 PM

I'm curious. . . There's a PBS documentary called "Riding the Rails" about all the teenagers who did just that during the Depression. I got the impression the CCC was a great escape from poverty and generated real wages. Should I take the lyrics more facetiously than I seem to be doing?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Why Did I Join the CCC?
From: Reiver 2
Date: 17 Nov 99 - 08:17 PM

The CCC experience involved a lot of hard work, and little pay -- but compared to the alternatives available to those who signed up it wasn't that bad! I've talked to quite a few men who were in CCC camps and almost without exception they felt greatful to have had the CCC available to them and, all things considered, a positive experience. They did some fantastic work on (among other things) roads, bridges and buildings in the National Parks and Monuments that are still being used. For some reason, I never had come across that song.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Why Did I Join the CCC?
From: catspaw49
Date: 17 Nov 99 - 10:41 PM

Not to mention their contribution to the TVA.

When the Feds closed down the program it was turned over to the states, property and all. Most used the property and existing camp buildings for something else of tore them down and sold the land. A few states, Ohio included restarted the programs and it is alive and well here as an alternative to the Job Corps. I've had a couple of my foster teens go to work for the CCC and have done quite well. They build parks, log cabins at the Historical Society, flood control, and even a local theatre renovation. Its a good deal for the kids who take advantage of it as a stepping stone.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Why Did I Join the CCC?
From: Pete Peterson
Date: 18 Nov 99 - 11:19 AM

My father was in the CCC and always mentioned it as a very good alternative to starving, but much hard labor. After i learned the song from the NLC Ramblers i sang it for him & he said pretty accurate. For those who go to Clifftop each year (self included) that started life as a CCC camp! they built some wonderful things


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Why Did I Join the CCC?
From: Penny S.
Date: 18 Nov 99 - 11:27 AM

Can you explain what CCC stands for? Over here, they had that sort of program in the Depression - ex-officers and university graduates (upper class in those days) building roads in Sussex with the other sort of people, but I don't know what ours was called.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Why Did I Join the CCC?
From: catspaw49
Date: 18 Nov 99 - 11:39 AM

Civilian Conservation Corps.......The work was mainly in building new parks, roads, bridges, and dams.

Spaw


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Why Did I Join the CCC?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 18 Nov 99 - 05:36 PM

Got a private message from Britain yesterday sayin', "We know about the K.K.K. over here----but have never heard of the C.C.C. What was it?

Came back here now to tell ya all but Catspaw beat me to it.

Art


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Why Did I Join the CCC?
From: pearson@otenet.gr
Date: 19 Nov 99 - 04:20 PM

Folks out there may be interested to know thar C.C.C. are at present the largest Arab owned construction company, with subsidiaries all over the World. Not the same C.C.C. as in the song of course, but they will be most interested when I pass the lyrics of the song to the ownwers.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Why Did I Join the CCC?
From: _gargoyle
Date: 19 Nov 99 - 09:38 PM

The "Ridin the Rails" documentary touched home for me.

It rang true to the tales told by a wandering, footloose, uncle (by blood a second cousin - but he was so much older he commanded the title of "uncle") he left home at 12 returned at 15..... what a hair-raising set of adventures he could tell.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Why Did I Join the CCC?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Nov 99 - 01:26 AM

Art, didn't the CCC fund the writing and collection of folk music through the Writers' Project, or am I getting confused? Can you tell us the story of that program?
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Why Did I Join the CCC?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 20 Nov 99 - 11:09 AM

Joe, it was the N.R.A.-----------NATIONAL RECOVERY ACT (nothing about guns) under whose auspices the Witer's Project was handled. Just put the words (not the innitials unless you want gun stuff) into a search engine and there it will be. Gave work to many writers doing the guidebooks to all 48 states. And I think all the murals in schools and public buildings were done under them too. Don't know many details. But the NEW LOST CITY RAMBLERS had songs of the N.R.A. on the same album for Folkways---SONGS FROM THE DEPRESSION.

Art


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Why Did I Join the CCC?
From: GUEST,Parthenon
Date: 27 Dec 00 - 05:22 PM

Many thanks to all who gave their assistance.

Happy New Year to all


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Why Did I Join the CCC?
From: GUEST,Lyle
Date: 27 Dec 00 - 06:12 PM

Gee, Art, I havent heard that song for many a year. My older brother was in the CCC, and used to sing it. It was a true folk song in that there were hundreds of verses added by the men of the CCC. Some, like those you've given, he could sing in the house; there were many others that he sang only when we were out in the back fourty. Who says you can't have sex education through song??

BTW, his job with the CCC was planting rows of trees on farmland in North Dakota as windbreaks. Last time I was there (about 10 years ago) there were still a few around.

Also he, like a lot of others, went directly from the CCC to the Army; seemed like the thing to do for a couple years. Except that WWII came along and the two years got extended.

Lyle


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Why Did I Join the CCC?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 27 Dec 00 - 09:22 PM

Didn't Woody Guthrie work for the NRA writer's project for a while? Or was it under the WPA (We Poke Along)?

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Why Did I Join the CCC? / Loveless CCC
From: GUEST,John G.
Date: 09 Dec 14 - 05:55 PM

My father was in the CCC in 1939 and again in 1941. I don't remember the time element, but you were either in for 3 or 6 months. After you get out you had to wait a certain amount of time before you could re enlist again. Probably to give others a chance to enroll who haven't had the opportunity. My father first duty was a camp in S.E. Louisiana where there was cut over piney woods and they had to fight brush fires. In his second enrollment he went to Mt. Lassen Park to clear trees to build roads.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Why Did I Join the CCC? / Loveless CCC
From: Rapparee
Date: 09 Dec 14 - 09:44 PM

My father was in the CCC out of Havana, Illinois. They worked to minimize or stop erosion. I have a picture of his company and some of the newsletters, etc. that were "published".


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