BBC Folk Awards 2014

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards 2014
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Mar 14 - 05:11 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEKVeI_VD3E&list=PL998B0487CF451E7A

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards 2014
From: Johnny J
Date: 03 Mar 14 - 06:57 PM

Dearie me, I thought this thread was going to be allowed to die gracefully.
:-)

Dick, you do do a good turn and you would be very welcome at our club, I'm sure, although I recall you once stated you had no ambition to play there.

A good few years back in my day job, I was once described as being "quietly confident" in my staff appraisal. I guess we don't all have to be the same.
:-)

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards 2014
From: The Sandman
Date: 03 Mar 14 - 11:49 PM

i disagreed with this remark, as did will fly."In general, today's younger musicians are indeed more knowledgeable and "technically advanced" in musical terms."
my point is that performers should be judged on their merit regardless of age, colour, or sex, I stated that there was no evidence to suggest that young performers were better.
I believe that there is also no evidence to suggest that older generations are better, they may be different,different people may prefer X to Y, That does not mean X is a better performer than y., music is not a competition, it is not sport.
i do believe that all musical performers should be encouraged regardless of age, sex or colour, so I do take exception to youth being given a preference, in the same way I take exception to male performers being given a prefernce, or white people being given a prefernce, opportunities should be given purely on merit.I take exception to stupid generalisations[as did will fly] such as the one made by johnny j, it is typical of so much hype and promotion that is now prevalent on the folk sacene
the result of my posting to this thread has been a personal attack by Silas on my you tube clips.
silas, has misunderstood my statement[which i have clarified more than once].
Silas, when I was at primary school iwas the smallest boy in my class because i was being picked on my parents bought me a punchbag and i was given boxing lessons, i have a very good left hook, please do not ever introduce yourself to me in the flesh.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards 2014
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 12:06 AM

ALL OF THE ABOVE IS WHY i disagree with the folk awards, i have heard lucy ward live,i like her i have heard one recording of bella hardy, i thought it was good.
Johnny J, I never pre judge any club, I decide where I wish to play[if i am lucky enough to be asked], on some occasions i have been asked back many times on others not at all, [that is how the cookie crumbles] there are a few clubs and a few organisers, I have no desire to return to, they are few and far between., but i will not tolerate being insulted by anonymous trolls such as Silas.
Johnny J,I may have a different point of view to you, but you have not been discourteous towards me, why would I refuse work if you offered it to me, I have not been offended by you, NEITHER am I a racist who dislikes Scots. It is true,I am beginning to lack ambition to play anywhere other than places I have played before,I like to feel I am amongst friends.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards 2014
From: GUEST,Selby
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 02:26 AM

When will tickets be available for the boxing. I thought this was a discussion forum not a boxing gym!!!!!

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards 2014
From: GUEST,silas
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 02:36 AM

I too thought that this thread had died a natural death. Just to clarify things slightly, when I said I had looked at the youtube clips, I meant that I had looked at the ones you had posted on the thread - not the ones of you performing. Sorry for the misunderstsnding. However, I do think you are irrationally irritated by younger musicians and singers, most of which you admit that you have never seen apart from on youtube.I have not seen you perform live and would not judge you from youtube clips no matter how good or bad they are.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards 2014
From: Johnny J
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 03:53 AM

GSS,

I was only teasing you as I recall you once made a throwaway comment a couple of years back which I treated as light hearted and took in good part at the time.

Please accept my apologies if I have offended you.

As playing at our club, I'm not in a position to invite you through a forum such as this. It wouldn't be appropriate and we are also booked up for well over a year ahead.

However, if you are ever interested enough to contact the club in the future we will consider you seriously. It is usually a committee decision though but your music sounds good enough to me. There are also other clubs in our area and my colleague also runs The Wee Folk Club which tends to have more frequent vacancies.

All the best.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards 2014
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 04:14 AM

I am not irrationally irrtated by any young perfomers, i have seen the young uns, damien barber, lucy ward and other younger performers[younger than me, youth is relative to ones own age] including irish musicians who you have probably not seen,many of whom are very good. i never make judgements on performers other than on the merit of their performance

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards 2014
From: GUEST,silas
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 04:17 AM

Well, tempted as I am to comment further, I am going to lesve it here before it grts nasty again.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards 2014
From: johncharles
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 04:27 AM

GSS have you got a dodgy caps lock key?

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards 2014
From: GUEST,Terrified Tim
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 05:01 AM

Boxing ? Now that's actually quite an appropriate perceptive metaphor !

When and how does a great champion boxer know when it's time to gracefully hang up the gloves,
without risking an unbroken winning record and honoured reputation ?

The BBC Awards TV Show organizers really do need to recognise the difference between honouring our cherished elder artists
and risking their public humiliation in ill advised spotlit live performance.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards 2014
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 05:10 AM

I still can't take Don McLean seriously after seeing his performance.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards 2014
From: Silas
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 05:14 AM

Poor old Don - his guitar was hoplessly out of tune, but no matter, nothing could have been worse than the Donovan performance.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards 2014
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 07:41 AM

How can you say such a thing? Donovan invented folk music - he told us so!

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards 2014
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Mar 14 - 03:52 PM

Sometimes GSS does a special deal on his cds which give a better idea of his considerabl talent. I daresay he would work out a special discount for mudcatters like yourself - whowouldn't want to rush to judgement.

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards 2014
From: Silas
Date: 05 Mar 14 - 07:24 AM

Hey Dick and GSS - please check this video out I think you will be impressed. http://vimeo.com/83226522