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Big Al Whittle 21 Feb 14 - 03:44 AM
GUEST,Reinhard 21 Feb 14 - 05:25 AM
GUEST 21 Feb 14 - 05:30 AM
Jim Martin 21 Feb 14 - 06:28 AM
GUEST,Ed 21 Feb 14 - 07:10 AM
Silas 21 Feb 14 - 07:34 AM
Big Al Whittle 21 Feb 14 - 08:12 AM
Mitch the Bass 21 Feb 14 - 10:21 AM
GUEST,Ed 21 Feb 14 - 11:10 AM
SunrayFC 21 Feb 14 - 12:59 PM
GUEST,Dicky boy 21 Feb 14 - 01:11 PM
GUEST,Ed 21 Feb 14 - 03:09 PM
GUEST,Stuart Reed 21 Feb 14 - 06:41 PM
GUEST,henryp 22 Feb 14 - 01:36 AM
GUEST,Oggie 22 Feb 14 - 11:52 AM
Big Al Whittle 22 Feb 14 - 01:21 PM
The Sandman 22 Feb 14 - 04:42 PM
GUEST 22 Feb 14 - 05:14 PM
The Sandman 22 Feb 14 - 05:30 PM
GUEST,Ed 22 Feb 14 - 05:50 PM
Big Al Whittle 22 Feb 14 - 07:30 PM
Tattie Bogle 22 Feb 14 - 09:20 PM
Big Al Whittle 22 Feb 14 - 11:56 PM
GUEST 23 Feb 14 - 04:01 AM
GUEST,Terrified Tim 23 Feb 14 - 04:08 AM
johncharles 23 Feb 14 - 04:11 AM
The Sandman 23 Feb 14 - 05:03 AM
LesB 23 Feb 14 - 05:45 AM
The Sandman 23 Feb 14 - 07:05 AM
Big Al Whittle 23 Feb 14 - 07:40 AM
Big Al Whittle 23 Feb 14 - 10:11 AM
GUEST,Mike Rogers 23 Feb 14 - 12:38 PM
GUEST,Terrified Tim 23 Feb 14 - 12:56 PM
GUEST,silas 23 Feb 14 - 04:14 PM
Steve Shaw 23 Feb 14 - 04:22 PM
GUEST,Ed 23 Feb 14 - 04:47 PM
Steve Shaw 23 Feb 14 - 05:02 PM
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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Feb 14 - 03:44 AM

kyle dear, there is no chip on my shoulder.   I am in favour of everyone enjoying folk music in their own way.

my detractors generally don't allow that what I enjoy is actually folk music.

I've learned to live with snotty little beasts (like Yourself) with their line in poisonous abuse.
now go away and enjoy whatever it is(apart from insulting people|) that a very limited view of things allows you to.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Reinhard
Date: 21 Feb 14 - 05:25 AM

I honestly think we've forgotten where we came from - the enjoyment , the fun, the togetherness - the camerarderie - the chorus singing ,the pints of beer.

That is exactly what Fay Hield is doing with the Soundpost Singing Weekends, Royal Traditions, Bright Phoebus, and the Full English project with grew out of all that. Her awards, even if nominally only for The Full English, are well earned.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Feb 14 - 05:30 AM

If you have Freeview you don't need to use the red button. Just go to channel 301 or 302.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Jim Martin
Date: 21 Feb 14 - 06:28 AM

Nice tribute to Pete Seeger at the end of programme with sister Peggy!


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 21 Feb 14 - 07:10 AM

Well, I enjoyed it, recorded it, and will watch it again. Each to their own, of course.

A question.

The Cecil Sharp tribute concluded with some Morris dancing. Can anyone tell me what the tune was? I'm certainly no Morris expert but it seemed fairly weak compared with many other Morris tunes that I've heard. Does it have a particular significance in Sharp's legacy?

(approx 7 minutes in on this clip www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYgc5yBGOfw if you've not seen it).


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Silas
Date: 21 Feb 14 - 07:34 AM

If I may add my t'pennoth about awards. I detest award ceremonies. I think they are narcissist self congratulatory farcical back slapping self promoting shite developed for the industry they are attached to.
However. I think the folk awards are a bit different. Why? Well…..Firstly, there is precious little folk music on TV – there are the superb transatlantic sessions and the occasional documentary like the recent Nic Jones one, but in essence very little. I like to see folk music on TV for no other reason that I like to see folk music on TV. All other genres seem to be well catered for, and I am grateful to have the little that we have. Also, the people who are winning these awards are not household names, ask most people if they know of Bella Hardy or even Martin Simpson and you would get a very blank look. The folk awards are small, intimate and quite nice – and the people who win are all very nice people who are just very good at what they do – not superstars with egos to match, just ordinary people like you and me.
The awards always cause a needless controversy about who won. Who should have won? And the trotted out phrases every year same old faces' etc. All nonsense of course, all of the 'winners' are outstanding in their field and all awards are well justified – the thing is, almost everyone nominated, and many that are not all deserve awards – the talent that is on offer these days within the small world of folk music is immense – better that it has ever been.
It's a great thing to win an award, it does help with an artists profile and although there is no immediate financial reward for winning, it does help with getting bookings and also helps in backing up the individual artist fees.
But for me, it's just nice to see folk music on TV. TV brought me into folk music. In the late sixties and early seventies, looking back through no doubt rose coloured spectacles, these seemed to be a fair amount on TV. The much maligned Spinners, Ian Campbell, The Yetis, Ewan McColl etc and I also remember many a folk performer doing kids shows. If it hadn't been for this exposure then I may have not got 'into' folk at all, and the same applies to many people I am sure.
So, let's have a little less knocking and a bit more appreciation for a well produced show that offers some superb music and a chance to also see some up and coming youngsters into the fold.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Feb 14 - 08:12 AM

well justified...

I think you're right to be positive about folk on tv.

but really one wonders how you would have reacted as a child to much of the music on offer. its all a bit up its own bum. would it draw anyone in, who wasn't in the zone anyway.

much praise for the full English. but is that the way to put a group together. surely all those groups you mention that drew you in, started with people getting together of their own volition and because they felt they had something to give.

and does it need a guitarist of Martin Simpson's genius ability to tie down that gig? bit of a drowning accident going on there.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Mitch the Bass
Date: 21 Feb 14 - 10:21 AM

Ed asked
"The Cecil Sharp tribute concluded with some Morris dancing. Can anyone tell me what the tune was? ... Does it have a particular significance in Sharp's legacy?"

On the 26th December 1899 Cecil Sharp saw Headington Quarry Morris Dances dancing to this tune, Laudnum Bunches, played on the concertina by William Kimber. He wrote down 5 dances that day.

You can see Sharp's manuscript in the Full English archive at http://www.vwml.org/search?qtext=laudnum%20bunches&ts=1392995913024&collectionfilter=HHA;SBG;JHB;LEB;GB;CC;COL;GG;AGG;PG;HAM;MK;

Mitch


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 21 Feb 14 - 11:10 AM

Thank you very much, Mitch. I appreciate that a lot.

Ed


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: SunrayFC
Date: 21 Feb 14 - 12:59 PM

Any folk on TV and radio is welcome.

I just wish it wasnt produced by Smooth Operations. It adds a bias that I consider unwelcome and unnecessary.

And far too many names from the folk world are ignored.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Dicky boy
Date: 21 Feb 14 - 01:11 PM

Well said Silas,in agrement with you could not have put it better...


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 21 Feb 14 - 03:09 PM

Smooth Operations...adds a bias that I consider unwelcome

Could you explain what you mean by that please, SunrayFC?

From what I know of Smooth Operations, they produce various music programmes for BBC radio where the DJ/Presenter is given pretty much carte blanche in terms of what music they play (Stuart Maconie, Bob Harris, Mark Radcliffe etc.)

What is this perceived bias? I'm genuinely curious to know.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Stuart Reed
Date: 21 Feb 14 - 06:41 PM

Outstanding versions of Died For Love and Willie o' Winsbury on the international airwaves - what's not to like?


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 22 Feb 14 - 01:36 AM

The words of Child Ballad 100 Willie o' Winsbury were set to the tune of Child Ballad 101 Fause Foodrage by Andy Irvine. They appeared together on the debut album of Sweeney's Men in 1968, sung by Andy Irvine accompanying himself on guitar. The arrangement has found a place in folk music mythology.

Johnny Moynihan wrote in the sleeve notes; "A ballad for which Andy is renowned. He got the text from Child's 'English And Scottish Ballads'; looking up the tune he got his numbers confused and emerged with the wrong air. By chance it suited the song very well."

In 2010, Andy Irvine re-recorded the words to the same tune on his album Abocurragh, adding with a touch of defiance; "This is Child 100. I collected the words from different versions and as the story goes, on looking up the tune, I lighted on the tune to number 101. I'm not sure if this is true but it's a good story".


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Oggie
Date: 22 Feb 14 - 11:52 AM

I enjoyed it and the performers will enjoy their PRS payments. It does no harm to anyone, it may do some good, so why not have a bit a publicity once a year.

It would be nice if it was more than that but it's better than none.

steve


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Feb 14 - 01:21 PM

that's the whole problem oggie. is the music of such a nature that they will have full post bags full of people begging for more? will anyone who hasn't got a couple of Steeleye Span/Martin Carthy albums watch it in the first place, 0r will the first couple of sycophantic introductions a to dirgey folksong/facetious bloody violin solo finish them off.

will the programme planners be rejoicing and saying - we've struck gold! if we fill the channel with programmes like this - our fortunes are assured.

I think not. they will be thinking, thank god that rubbish is over for another year...and really its hard to blame them.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Feb 14 - 04:42 PM

Drek Schofield points out,The Folk Awards are one aspect of the whole scene.
in my opinion, they should not be, its a feckin stupid idea,furthermore I wish that those people who wish to use the folk scene as a stepping stone to pop stardom, would feck off, and leave the rest of us to enjoy playing music because we like playing music. Derek,I hope you do not mind me asking, do you think the awards are a good idea?


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Feb 14 - 05:14 PM

I rather liked Bella Hardy's reply to the question "What difference will winning the award make to you" on Simon Mayo's build-up to the awards. She replied (not verbatim) "None, but it's nice to be nominated in this company" (Fay Hield/ Lisa Knapp/ Lucy Ward.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Feb 14 - 05:30 PM

each to their own, guest, but if i was choosing company to be nominated in, I would choose pete seeger,woody guthrie, paul robeson,all people who showed they had convictions and suffered for their beliefs and whose convictions come across in their music, and who were passionate about their music and using music to try and correct injustice. IMO Pete Seegers contribution to Folk Music has been much more important than Hardy, Knapp, Hield and Ward or any other company of Solicitors.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 22 Feb 14 - 05:50 PM

IMO Pete Seegers contribution to Folk Music has been much more important than Hardy, Knapp, Hield and Ward

And the show was ended by a eulogy and tribute to Pete Seeger, led by Peggy.

Did you actually watch it? Or just throw your grumpy criticisms from afar?


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Feb 14 - 07:30 PM

one of the problems with allowing guest eds and other guests to express opinion isthat we have no idea from which perspective, he or she speaks - and thus we have no idea why they can't understand the point of view of professional folk musicians like GSS and myself.

I understand the point of view of respecting someone like Seeger whose songs have put the bread on our tables. Also we respect Peggy Seeger and the memories of her late husband and brother. Take it from us there a qualitative difference between these musicians and the folk awards gang. Folk music wasn't a career opportunity for them, or us.

Still as GSS and I are lucky enough to have lived a long time, I suppose we are lucky enough. When you get old though - its goes with the territory. One is misunderstood.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 22 Feb 14 - 09:20 PM

Do we need to state our CV and credentials to post on Mudcat? Can only professionals have valid opinions? I am not a professional musician (OK, I get a few bob now and then for playing in a ceilidh band) but have been very much involved in folk music since my teenage years in the 60s folk revival or whatever you like to call it.
I'm getting old too, but I'd say "The Times They Are a- Changin'" - total anathema to some, I know, and not all for the better.
But I'd also venture to say that possibly, just possibly, some of the newer generation of folk artists know a lot more about what they are playing or singing about than some of us did way back when. Partly down to their degree courses for some, or their own personal research, assisted by modern technology and the information explosion on the internet. While I don't take kindly to my old favourites being given thrashy guitar-driven funky choppy rhythms, there are some very good younger artists out there who are maintaining the balance between keeping within the tradition and injecting their own take on certain songs and tunes.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Feb 14 - 11:56 PM

canonly professionals ve valid opinions....of course not.

I just get a bit fed up when ones opinions are wilfully misunderstood and misrepresented.

as for the times a changin'......the beebs attitude to folk music hasn't changed. during the 60's and seventies and eighties - the prospect of an evening with rolf harris or val doonican sent us out from our homes scuttling out to folk clubs.the ghastly transatlantic session (smirk along with Aly Blain) and the folk awards are still sending me out to the folk clubs.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 04:01 AM

When you think of how many folkies are out there do you think many of them give a flying **** what mudcat thinks or the folk awards deliver.
I suspect the answer is NO.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Terrified Tim
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 04:08 AM

Oh no, I've just started thinking of how many folkies are out there...

aaaaaaaaggggghhhhhhh !!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: johncharles
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 04:11 AM

Is "professional folk musician" an oxymoron?


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 05:03 AM

"Or just throw your grumpy criticisms from afar?."I was stating whose company i would rather be nominated in,and why, if you choose to interpret that as a grumpy criticism, thats your problem, have a nice day.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: LesB
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 05:45 AM

The benefit of recording such events is that you can watch them in chunks when you have time & ffwd those you wish to avoid. I watched the last bit late last night & I thought that the best for me was the appreciation of Cecil Sharpe & Martin & Eliza Carthy & the Full English. I skipped a number of award presenters when they started getting boring, skipped Clannad, Fishermans Friends & one or two others that didn't catch my attention. All in all I quite enjoyed it.
By the way was that short chubby grey bearded chap (sounds like me) sat next to the Carthy's table a Lesser Spotted Bill Oddie?
Cheers
Les


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 07:05 AM

"But I'd also venture to say that possibly, just possibly, some of the newer generation of folk artists know a lot more about what they are playing or singing about than some of us did way back when. Partly down to their degree courses for some, or their own personal research, assisted by modern technology and the information explosion on the internet".
speak for yourself, there is no evidence that they know more or less about what they are playing or singing than musicians of earlier generations.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 07:40 AM

yes i'm not really happy with the professional folk musician tag either.

its abit like being a world musician.....you definitely exist in the world

dumb as an ox, and a bit of a moron.....its possible.
a professional oxymoron...sounds about right.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 10:11 AM

on thesubject of people using he folk scene as stepping stone to pop stardom. I sort of disagree with GSS - good egg as his.

ater all in the 60's wehad loads of pop stas come from the folk club. Dylan Donovan, Baez, Cat Stevens,|Joni Mitchell,Don Partridge, Don Maclean

we had loads of people in he folk clubs wanting to hear those songs nd loadsof people wanting to play them.

What have we got these days.

many wonderful guardians of the tradition- no   hands safer I should imagine. but could any of them write a song that good? I imagine it was a stern discipline going in to bat against the beatles.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Mike Rogers
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 12:38 PM

When I read some of the comments in this thread I despair for the future of folk music (as indeed I have done for more than fifty years).
The bitterness of some old stagers on here because of the success of the Laylam and Full English personnel would be slightly amusing were it not so pathetic.
And as for the status of performers - well, in my book they're either (a)amateur (they don't get paid), (b)semi-professional (they get paid but they have other jobs) or (c)professional (they earn their living from folk). I would suggest that anyone who is troubled by the description 'professional folk singer' changes their status from (c) to(a) forthwith. And take care not to dribble into your beer.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Terrified Tim
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 12:56 PM

Mike, is it so easy to polarise young'uns verus 'old stagers' ?

my next 'big' birthday will be my 60th;

yet as it happens, I personally, am now reluctantly accepting that it's actually some of the creaky old guard celebs
of the the 'folk establishment' elite,
who are dragging down standards of live TV performance on rare broadcast shows such as this.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,silas
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 04:14 PM

Mike- you are so right


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 04:22 PM

many wonderful guardians of the tradition

Jesus Christ. Help me, someone. We'll be talking about "ambassadors for folk" next.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 04:47 PM

Jesus Christ. Help me, someone. We'll be talking about "ambassadors for folk" next.

And your constructive suggestion, would be what?


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 05:02 PM

My constructive suggestion for what?


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 05:37 PM

Anything would be start...


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 06:43 PM

My daughter's comments from outside on this - a typical 23 year old, therefore what should be our target market - were that the performances were monotonous, the tales uninteresting. That is the reality of what has been done to the folk world by the Trad school.

It's basically because there's only so much you can do to the that repertoire, and it's mostly been done - to death. Those who did it to death have moved on to writing their own work. It's not so much about where you've been as where you're going. Yes, where you've been is important, but where you're going is vital.

The Imagined Village isn't about Trad repertoire, but taking the spirit of folk music into somewhere that's new. Some of Bellowhead's work does the same. I'm not talking New American, or New Mumford, or New Age, but something which in three hundred years time will be a recognisable descendant of Cecil Sharp's collections, yet not done before. Even the most ancient of folk trad was new once.

Last year a number of folks on stage at the Albert Hall led out on Tapping The Source, setting a baseline for taking folk music forwards, and where they're going is interesting - not on album yet, maybe never, you'll have to follow Radio 3 to find out. Most definitely not Trad, but rooted in Trad. It may become Trad in 200 years, and your successors will most certainly be asking what the heck they were on when they did it. The objective answer is nothing, just shaking the cage.

Now that may not fit the Smooth Operations definition of Folk, which seems rather closer to Wally Whyton's than Full English. I ask you, the Mischa Macpherson Trio? Wasn't that the act not even Nazi Stormtroopers could get off stage in the Sound of Music? Or was it the Melrose Quartet? Nancy, what were you thinking of? The point is that although there is a place for Trad, it should not exclude all else, and there are enough hints in the Tradition to come up with new work which is faithful to the corpus. New words, new tunes, new ideas. Break the mould, get edgy, be surprising.

Heaven only knows what Billy Bragg's opinion of this thread would be. I know what the viewpoint of many performing folkies in the Dalston area is. There's enough to scream about. And all you can do is talk about weaving by steam!


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 06:50 PM

sneering and bitterness seems all one way to me. as it always has been. no debate just snotty remarks from people who have nowt to say - just that they don't like what you're saying.

fact remains - could any of the current lot write a song that gets people singing all over the world like the much maligned Donovan/Dylan gang did?

answer came there none. mainly because the toffs at the beeb have you convinced that anyone with a certain agency and with record company puff behind them is worthy of a programme on bbc4, plays on bbc2 radio, awards hither and thus.

meanwhile to my certain knowledge folk clubs up and down the land are scratching their heads looking for acts that can put bums on seats and then entertain ....

if you want to go along with the bullshit - have the guts to say so don't blame it on the messenger.
fact is, much is rotten in the state of folk music in England. nobody's bitter - just frustrated that this ridiculous situation of promoting middle class mediocrity has gone on for so long.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Guest Betsy
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 07:26 PM

I've got to agree with you Al.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 07:29 PM

think about it. if the beeb actually played and made programmes about people who can do the business in folk clubs - rather than these recording artists/would be festival acts.

oh what a bitter twisted thought!


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 07:46 PM

imagine that....

Bob Fox in a one hour special from the stage

Bill Caddick.....

Jack Hudson.....

Alan Bell taking about his songs and singing them.

John Connolly.......

oh it so bitter, so mean spirited....sometimes I wonder why I'm such a vicious shit.....


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 08:42 PM

Actually, Al, I have said some very nice things in this thread if only you'd care to read back. My riposte had little to do with the state of folk music in itself but lots to do with the awful "guardians of the tradition" awe in which we occasionally seem to hold a few of the folk music "elders" (I hate to say "establishment figures"...) which I'm damn sure is a serious embarrassment to a good few of same!


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 10:27 PM

oooooooh! I wouldn't waste your compassion. this a hole that took some years to dig themselves into. and its involved telling a lot of people who have dedicated their lives to making the techniques we all use, that they don't play folk music.

can I recommend a book called escaping the delta by Elijah Wald.
Wald is an occasional mudcatter. he writes so penetratingly about the blues.

we've never had awriter in this country, with those powers of analysis writing about our folk clubs. so perceptive. so much of what he says applies equally to our music.


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 04:00 AM

we've never had awriter in this country, with those powers of analysis writing about our folk clubs

Stanley Accrington!

DtG


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 04:51 AM

Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: GUEST,Mike Rogers - PM
Date: 23 Feb 14 - 12:38 PM

When I read some of the comments in this thread I despair for the future of folk music (as indeed I have done for more than fifty years).
The bitterness of some old stagers on here because of the success of the Laylam and Full English personnel would be slightly amusing were it not so pathetic.
And as for the status of performers - well, in my book they're either (a)amateur (they don't get paid), (b)semi-professional (they get paid but they have other jobs) or (c)professional (they earn their living from folk). I would suggest that anyone who is troubled by the description 'professional folk singer' changes their status from (c) to(a) forthwith. And take care not to dribble into your beer."
   bitterness? I have heard both bella hardy and lucy ward relatively recently, and i think they are both pleasant singers. you make an assumption that some old stagers are bitter because of someone elses success, that is unfair,


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 04:51 AM

and another thing. if you're daft enough to go a big festival - chemical toilets, crap sound, foreign language students shouting unin telligbly, beer junkies, yowling kids, mud, crushed beer cans underfoot. fair enuff if that's your bag.   but its shit television!


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 04:51 AM

and another thing. if you're daft enough to go a big festival - chemical toilets, crap sound, foreign language students shouting unin telligbly, beer junkies, yowling kids, mud, crushed beer cans underfoot. fair enuff if that's your bag.   but its shit television!


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Subject: RE: BBC Folk Awards
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Feb 14 - 04:54 AM

I am against the principle of Folk awards, and i would say the same things if it was Carthy or jez lowe[a personal friend] or anyone else. mike rogers go somewhere else with your unfounded trolling assumptions.


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