BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.

Subject: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 11:15 AM

Its been a hoot but I am out of patience.

I've enjoyed a lot of conversations.

If any of you want to converse with me you can find me here.

https://www.facebook.com/robert.dale.7946

In case anyone is wondering why I was so interested in the subject, I am writing a novel that deals with non-belief, believers and gullible believers. Once the name calling died down here a few weeks ago.

I have heard from Mudcat leadership. I was told to avoid the BS section and to "fight my own battles" draw from that what you will.

I might check in here once in a while, if I still can. But I am not counting on being able to.

Good luck to you all. and God bless you.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 11:29 AM

In case anyone is wondering why I was so interested in the subject, I am writing a novel that deals with non-belief, believers and gullible believers. Once the name calling died down here a few weeks ago, got all the material I needed. Thanks to all who took the conversations seriously.

Thanks to all the dogmatists as well. Lots of material there to.

There may be a POV character who is a poor beleagured professional in health care as well. But I don't know of that will survive the final edit.


Cheers all.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Musket
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 11:44 AM

Far more interesting characters around here than that Jack! Keep the novel in The USA or Canada. Your characters can more open, honest and take as you find. Far too many complicated buggers with issues over here.

If you need any help with name calling, I can supply a list of names based on any character that put name calling on another level. It brings people out of themselves.

If you are researching a novel, best to observe rather than influence, if you want the advice of someone who hasn't a novel in him. Though I've read a few. Some on the pages of Mudcat but that's another story.

(The self term "professional in healthcare" by the way was what you would term British irony. On the same level as me being "fucking important " and aimed at the same character. Now, if you wove his mindset into a character!   Not complicated, everything black and white... Easy and disturbing at the same time!

I can't help myself. Sorry and all that.

Have fun.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 12:14 PM

You could call the book Gullible's Travels.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 12:18 PM

Don't knock it. Fiction is his strong point!

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 12:33 PM

Gee... Amos has written a novel, and he's almost gone... & Little Hawk & Bobert & several others have essentially left. I, personally, don't care much for the Facebook format and only look at it once or twice a week.

I guess I'll soon be down here 'almost' by myself... *shrug*

Hi, Pete...

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: DMcG
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 12:46 PM

When they change it from 'BS' to 'BD' you can start worrying, Bill.

I've sent a short note to that facebook link, Jack.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Pete Jennings
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 12:52 PM

Hi Bill!

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: gnu
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 12:59 PM

Gee, didn't mean to get your abbreviation wrongs all these years, JtS. Sorry about that. I hope it wasn't I that drove you over the cliff although I know I gave you a lift when you needed it. Smiley horned nudge nudge wink wink face.

I wish you great luck with your endeavour in the art of extreme prose.
It's rather arduous but, given your tenacity and skills, I'd bet cash that you will do well.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 01:02 PM

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Steve Shaw - PM
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 12:18 PM

Don't knock it. Fiction is his strong point!

No Shit? Sherlock!

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 01:09 PM

I didn't know all these folks had left, and I will miss you here, Sailor!

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: gnu
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 01:22 PM

A lot more than that have left and far more than those choose only to post to certain threads or even open certain types of threads. Good? Bad? Who cares? I like Facebook. It's far more civilized. I have never had to shout a negative response there because nobody has been out of line. Not one. Herein, I have been shit upon, lied about, had my own words actually quoted and called down for it when the opposite was true, trolled, stalked... you name it. Goes with the turf. What happens at recess on the playground is just that. Even when I stand up for myself and others, I get shit upon for that. And that is precisely why I will never leave.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 01:27 PM

good on yer gnu baby!

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 01:35 PM

Jack, I was kidding about Gullible's Travels. I do wish you every success with the book. It's a helluva slog, but when you finish you'll feel great about having done what relatively few have. Best wishes.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 01:46 PM

gnu, mudcat has allowed the Below the Belt section to operate without editing, allowing free rein to those acephalics inclined towards trashing people, without making any useful contribution on their part.

I try to ignore the trash from these 'trash' but it is difficult. I can understand why JtS is leaving.

Unfortunately, there is no attempt to eliminate these acephalics from mudcat.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 01:57 PM

Sorry to see you go Jack.
I admired the stand you made on behaviour and you have made things better.
My best wishes to Carol C also.
keith.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Musket
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 02:01 PM

When you read his book, don't forget who he promised to base the chisel jawed, well endowed hero on. Taxi here now, I'll raise my first glass to novels.

Plenty of budding novelists on these threads eh?

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 02:05 PM

One man's acephalic is another man's honest straight talker, and if you are agin trashing people, you have a peculiar way of showing it by cloaking YOUR ad hominem in fifty dollar words.

Pathetic and not orthy of one who is obviously pretty wel educated.

BTW, "Gullible's Travels" is already taken. It's the title used for a book by Billy Connolly.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 02:16 PM

I think you are wrong to leave Jack.....that is what these people want.
Open discussion is anathema to them, insults and name calling are their weapons, religion and social conservatism their targets.
Their aim to destroy this section of the forum, by trivialising every issue which brings their agenda into question.

If your mind is made up, I add my thanks for your crusade to keep this great little forum, civil, reasonable, and free....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: gnu
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 02:35 PM

"free rein" isn't entirely correct. There have been guests and members chucked out entirely but those were extreme cases. In a few instances, they got chucked out after some members threatened legal actions. So, actually, the past several years haven't been as bad as it once may have been. I have been accused of reacting in a rash and very unsavoury manner to some (IMO) 'trash' in the last several years but I was here during some of the very, very, very nasty shit that went on and I have ZERO tolerance of such. When someone crosses the line, I act. Those that say I over react may not know why I do so. Should I? Should I not? Who cares?

Me.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 03:05 PM

>>From: Musket - PM
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 02:01 PM

When you read his book, don't forget who he promised to base the chisel jawed, well endowed hero on.<<<

Having made their way past the barbed wire, the electrolocks, and one hundred and twenty highly trained Italian greyhounds they made their way to the office safe. Stop tripping over your dick and get over here chisel jaw, we need you to open the safe. You too hammer head!

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 03:08 PM

Very sorry to read that you're leaving, Jack. I've enjoyed your posts and looked on you as one of the group of Mudcatters that I really like and feel drawn to. I'm a bit slow to catch on, but it seems that you're writing a book? If so, I wish you all success, and best wishes for the future. Eliza x

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 03:56 PM

I have been tempted to have my lawyer write mudcat re a couple of posters, but why waste his time with acephalics.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: gnu
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 04:19 PM

I've got two heads and neither work properly some days. TMI? TB.

BTW... didja see Swamp People last episode? 400# 'beast'? Fer fuck sake, that gator wasn't much over 40#. I mean, *I* coulda whooped that little riggin with an alder and fried it up in my big iron frying pan in two fries. Buddy carried it away on his shoulders. And he looks my age. The guy, not the gator. Although, I ain't much of a judge on how old gators are. I ain't never even seen a gator but on yer TV. I have been stalked by black bears that weighed over 600#. I have been within ten feet of moose that weighed over 1000#... used to feed one sugar and beets just cause he was soooo cool... Ralph was a MONSTER! I have been chased by a pack a yotes and our yotes weigh up to 60#. A course, even a 40# gator would scare me unless I had a backup, poles, guns, a camera crew and an announcer that didn't say it was a 400# monster... or an alder and a knife. Meanwhile, back in Bayou Sorrel.....

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Ed T
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 04:30 PM

See you on the other side, jts.
May your writing sails feel ample breeze.
It is not just bs, nor a belief, life exists beyond Mudcat.
A tip of "the old sou wester" to you.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST,Giok
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 04:44 PM

Welcome to the light side Jack.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: gnu
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 04:46 PM

G... hahahahaaa! Touche!

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Bert
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 06:23 PM

It is always sad to see people leave, but most of the time they always get a few warnings.

If they don't heed the warnings they sometimes get zapped. I don't always agree with this and many times I have spoken out and suggested that we just forget these problems.

but two things come into play.

1. The people causing the problems just won't shut up.

and

2. The people who object, just won't shut up.

I would suggest that a policy of tolerance might work here .

If people won't shut up, then we should ignore the silly buggers.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Songwronger
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 07:14 PM

Told by your fellow progressofascists that your services are no longer required? Such is the nature of fascism. Door, ass, bye.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 07:46 PM

I did say "may be" right?
It has not happened, yet.

I'm saying goodbye in case it does.

Maybe it won't and it won't be because of any of the jackasses who post in B.S. and there are quite few and they know who they are. So don't dislocate your shoulders patting yourselves on the back. OK?

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 07:57 PM

Got this from Ronny Cox on Facebook

Two women were in a bar and they had such strong accents. I asked ... "Are you ladies from Ireland?' They turned to and said... 'It's Wales, you idiot',
So I said are you two whales from Ireland? That's the last I remember.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: gnu
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 08:24 PM

Lord sufferin Jesus buddy! Yer fucked now! I posted a joke that COULD be deemed sexist like that one on the... wait fer it.... JOKE THREAD.. and was immediately set upon. So I posted an objection and I put er out of me mind I did. Ne'er been back since, Their loss on accounta I got a million of em.

Don't try to put Mudcat out of JtS's mind you lot and rabble! That's not what he said. Don't twist his words. Do what ye said, JtS. Ye might fuck off... ye might not. Whatever. S'all cool. Ignore the mob and do the job. See ya when we see ya.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST,Ghost of m*dcat past
Date: 07 Mar 14 - 08:31 PM

Hi:

I was a regular poster back in 200x. The forum was taken over by scheisssaecker and the Yankee liberal* twits in charge didn't understand what was going on. So I left like the rest of the regulars. Pity, it was good.

*Not like real liberals.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 01:01 AM

You see, some people get confused as to which side of the pond someone lives on when reading their posts.

The joke Jack just made is a way of knowing. The last line "that's the last I remember" can only be from the American shore. It would be superfluous in Blighty.

Here Jack, me old mucker. I wouldn't get paranoid like, but you said you MIGHT be going and everyone is waving goodbye to you. Most of us are doing so rather true to form too.

There again , this is Mudcat BS.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 02:25 AM

Well, I wouldn't have thrown you out, Jack. Given that, your writing time and talent are better invested in other endeavors than the BS threads. And so it goes...

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Larry The Radio Guy
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 03:25 AM

Jack, you seem like a nice fella. Hope you'll be back.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 03:30 AM

It seems to me that some of you are far, far too sensitive. If someone persistently screamed in my face in the street, I'd have a problem. If someone persistently screamed in my face on here then it means nothing and I would ignore them - it's only a message-board, for God's sake! Some of the posters on here have some very interesting ideas and opinions that I want to hear - others insist on starting fights and feuds - they're just a nuisance - and some of them need to grow up!

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 03:52 AM

Childhood can be so cathartic.....

The only way to get down dirty is to roll with the pigs. I'm sure the pigs enjoy it as much as we do.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 04:52 AM

I left for about a year after suffering a load of abuse....I missed all the good things about mudcat, and it is a great crossroads at which to meet other folkies.

just don't expect it to be the same if you return. other people get fed up and move on. I really miss some of the people I used to talk with regularly on mudcat. the truth is, mudcat's continued existence depends on some of us rolling with the punches and putting up with those of us who can't manage to disagree without resorting to abuse.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 06:16 AM

the jackasses who post in B.S. and there are quite few and they know who they are

Wha???? And this from the biggest jackass of 'em all! A man who resorted to the quite ghastly tactic of starting a thread about me in order to somehow understand me... Shamed me into decency so it did, you swine!

So - go, or stay as it suits you, or do like most of us do, which is to keep popping back as & when we're in town... but to bask in the duck-billed platitudes of your own obituary thread seems to me a tad indulgent when all you've made a point of courting controversy even if it is by way of literary research. Which is cool in my book, it's been a lot of fun, and very civilised fun at that, but don't forget it was you who turned the heat up in that particular kitchen - he who sows the wind & all that...

Hope the book's half as much fun as the threads anyway, JtS!

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 07:10 AM

the jackasses who post in B.S. and there are quite few and they know who they are

Do they? It's always intriguing that the badly-done-tos who bleat out that "the jackasses know who they are" are never up for naming names. Perhaps a "jackass" is just "a person who disagrees with my rather ill-considered post and who has deigned to tell me so in less than uncertain terms". Personally, I think the biggest jackasses, apart from the few serial bigots we have, are the serial misrepresenters of other people's contributions. The initiator of this thread is certainly one such. If there's anything more bloody annoying, for example, than someone who accuses you over and over and over again of claiming to be something you've never claimed to be, do tell me about it!

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 11:12 AM

Some people are so self-absorbed they think everything is about them. Have a look at the thread immediately preceding the one you quoted from the one and only last remaining Mudcat troll. Or at least he would be trolling if he was still allowed. Who do you think I was referring to when I said "jackasses"

Jack, I didn't start the thread about you. I started it about one little opinion that you expressed that I found insulting. Do you think that you opinions expressed on the Bull Shit section of a folw music internet forum are you? If so that may be the reason you get so upset.

Steve Shaw. You are seem to be addressing me and trying to convince me of something. When are you going to get it through your think skull that I don't give a phlying phuck what you think. I was holding back on you in hopes that you would calm down and be polite. I can see now that is not possible for you. I am not calling you a Jackass. You by quoting and ranting about jackasses and trying to communicate with someone you have called "whacko" far too many times are calling yourself a Jackass. Do yourself a favor, if someone is complaining about the behavior of an unspecified few, stop poking your head up and saying "that jackass is me" You are just not that important very few care what you say, so it probably isn't you.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Lighter
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 11:22 AM

Hurry back!

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 12:38 PM

My think skull. I love that, Wacko! Don't go, darlin'!

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 12:43 PM

OOOOOOOHHHH The genius spotted a typo!! OOOOOOOOOh!


I've had my coffee now! Now you are phucked pshaw.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST,grumpy
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 01:11 PM

Is this Jack person seriously attempting to write a book?

Considering his postings on this thread, he'd be better of sticking to colouring one in.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 01:17 PM

I seem to have missed all this, been too busy repairing storm damage.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: gnu
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 01:25 PM

Hahahahahaa... great thread! Some really great posts. Especially the ones 'extracted' as if on cue. Mudcat in a microcosm.

Bravo, JtS. Well done, sir.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: gnu
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 02:32 PM

Good Soldier. I hope all is as well as it can be. Ye lads have had it some rough over the lately.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 03:30 PM

My thoughts are with you soldier.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 03:37 PM

>>>>From: GUEST,grumpy - PM
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 01:11 PM

Is this Jack person seriously attempting to write a book?

Considering his postings on this thread, he'd be better of sticking to colouring one in. <<<<

The tender shoots of my writing career nipped in the bud by the devastating weed whacker that is anonymous mudcat peanut gallery commentary.

Oh alas woe is me!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 05:29 PM

Jack, I didn't start the thread about you.

Exhibit A, m'learned friend...

BS: Getting to Know: Blandiver

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 06:00 PM

Sorry, forgot that. Looking at the first few posts looks like I was trying to be nice to you.

I'll not make that mistake again.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Sawzaw
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 07:29 PM

Chapter one:

I personally think that Gaza and DC are very similar. While they are not exactly the same size relatively the same size and similar as compared to the world's other geographic entities. Compare both to Greenland, Los Angeles or Vatican City. Gaza and Washington are pretty much the same.
I notice you included no context for President Obama's alleged lie on this point. Is that an indication of a moral failing on your part or is that an innocent error of omission. Think about your mistake in context of what you accuse Obama of before you cast the next stone
Whatever you do I won't be answering you. I have the option of talking with reasonable, fair people who are not purposefully ignorant and who do not call me names. Why would I want to continue talking to you.

JTS: "If you are going to be a pedantic jackass at least try to get it right"

JTS: "I don't plan to egg people on with insults."

JTS: "Calling me names does not help. Especially since you often accuse others, including me of 'ad hominem' 'attacks.'"

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 07:55 PM

Thanks for quoting all of that Sawz. Seems pretty reasonable.

Do you have a point you are making?

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 07:59 PM

I was hoping that this would provide the truth as to the existence of a supreme being. I have seen soap operas that received national recognition that do not incur this much angst.

Will he leave, will he not leave? Stay tuned.

Mr Guest grumpy: be asuaged that you are damned if you do or damned if you don't. You are no less anonymous than is Jack the Sailor. Neither of you use your real names, as do I not either, but we will all get shite for it from the informed. Let it go.

Best wishes to all.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 08:15 PM

"I think you are wrong to leave Jack.....that is what these people want.
Open discussion is anathema to them, insults and name calling are their weapons, religion and social conservatism their targets.
Their aim to destroy this section of the forum, by trivialising every issue which brings their agenda into question.

If your mind is made up, I add my thanks for your crusade to keep this great little forum, civil, reasonable, and free....Ake"

As usual, completely WRONG Ake!

Much as I disagree with his pontificating about rules which are not HIS to enforce, I would HATE to lose his other input to the discussions on this forum.

The whole point of discussion (which YOU will apparently never understand) IS DISAGREEMENT!

Without it, discussion is reduced to small talk, of no consequence.

I have often been induced to re-examine my point of view on various subjects by posters such as Amos and Bill D, and yes JtS and DtG, and many others whose input has resonated.

I would wish to be able to point to one instance of needing to re-consider, following posts by KA of H or yourself, but I honestly cannot.

If there is any example of attempts to stifle and ride roughshod over discussion of pet hates, it is in the input from you two.

Just my opinion, but you may find it is shared by many!

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Mar 14 - 11:45 PM

I really disagree with that troubadour.

the purpose of discussion is enlightenment, not disagreement.

look at that absurd man - William Hague - he comes on telly telling Russia that they are badly behaved and 'the international community' will sort them out.

how much more sensible if he had offered to be neutral negotiator trying to see that everyone got what they needed out of the situation without bashing each others brains out!

the same applies to all these bloody what is folk music threads. whatever it is, we can easily all take what we need without trashing anyone else's viewpoint.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 05:56 AM

Troubadour, it is possible to disagree without name-calling, gratuitous abuse and personal denigration.
That is what Jack campaigned for, he had every right to do so, and what a shame that he had to.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 06:01 AM

I will go further.
People mostly resort to name-calling, gratuitous abuse and personal denigration when they are incapable of verbalising why they disagree, or just can't form a counter argument.
That is why so many of you demand the right.
You have nothing else.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jim McLean
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 06:26 AM

I wouldn't leave Mudcat, I'd just leave the thread as I did recently when the pathetic, childish jibes didn't add anything to the discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 08:18 AM

That is what Jack campaigned for, he had every right to do so, and what a shame that he had to.

Not true. JtS opened up thread after thread designed purely to wind people up and cause upset. In this he was successful in that he got the results he was looking for. Now he opens up this self-serving obituary to glory in his own demise and announce to the world that it was all for literary research. What utter rot. This is masochistic trolling of a quite unprecedented order. Seems the Age of the Uber Troll is finally upon us!

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 09:00 AM

Exactly right. And he's proving it by doing the time-honoured thing that many an internet primadonna does: start a farewell thread then utterly fail to bugger off. His variation is that he doesn't bugger off for even a short time! He may well be a thread-tart troll but you have to admit he's a bloody comedian as well.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: bobad
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 09:16 AM

The long goodbye....lol.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 09:25 AM

At least Jack drew attention to what was happening here, instigated by a small group of UK "guests"....all obviously know to one another.

Admin has taken action on the abuse, name calling etc, and perhaps we can get on with some discussion.....isn't that what this section is for?
Jack put a lot of time and effort into getting the abuse stopped, and consequently, this forum is a better place.
Give him a bit of credit.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 12:09 PM

Ake, You and Keith are among the most frustrating and pig headed people on this forum.

The people who call you names have tried logic and common sense on you. My impression is that you just like to argue and don't care about evidence or the health of the group you claim to be campaigning for.

My campaign was to get a few people to me more polite to me and to have reasoning conversations with me. And for people to stop cluttering up threads about things I wanted to talk about with silly pointless bickering.

I was hoping that if people stopped calling you names for a while you would have some room to be reasonable. But no. You just doubled down on the nonsense and made me look like a fool. So please do not try to defend me.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST,Musket flavoured fish sauce
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 12:26 PM

Perhaps that's the trick. Sound reasonable and inclusive and you are respected.

The snag is, you end up being inadvertently respected by those with no self respect.

I have a history of berating Jack and delighting in his reactions to my name calling. I also disagree with him on many key points. But you know what? All it did was accidentally put him in the same boat as certain others, (see Jack's post above) which is as bad as his gaining their respect.

I've learned. Jack has learned.

You can't have a laugh, take the piss and joke and hold beneath contempt at the same time.

Still, lying about your religion isn't lying if you keep your fingers crossed, regardless.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 01:05 PM

Well, I'm sorry you feel like that Jack, but regardless of how you feel about me, or Keith for that matter, your campaign has cleaned up the forum, admin realised the danger these people are to serious discussion and sorted out the name calling and the most serious personal abuse. I thank them for that, and so should you, whether you agree with me or not.

Regarding "fighting my your own battles" I am presently quietly going about that.

"The people who call you names have tried logic".... Is stalking my family and implying cruelty to animals in my care, logic?

Is making "creepy" veiled threats, logic?

I have seen little "logic" from the "Messiahs" or their alter egos.

Subject: more & more & more
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 01:21 PM

"I have a history of berating Jack and delighting in his reactions to my name calling. "

Now THERE'S a wholesome hobby! Where have I heard of a similar thing....hmmmm......
Oh, right!... when I was in school, we called it "bullying". It used to include physical abuse, but when the wrong people might see, the bullies just resorted to name calling and teasing.. just to see if they could get a reaction. I'm sure there was some deep satisfaction when they were successful.... and then they could use THAT reaction as a base for the next round of remarks. If they were able to actually drive someone to cry or 'run away', it was indeed a great triumph.
   But now & then, they encountered a target who didn't 'play the game' to their satisfaction.... nothing worse than being ignored or one-upped ...

Now, it seems, that childhood impulse is still endemic in certain demographics, but now the world has **the internet/WWW**, and the rules and he game are trickier. Satisfaction which used to come from personal observation of the target's discomfort must now be derived from internal bio-feedback and patting one's self on the back... or hopefully, being joined by others who engage in mutual congratulatory back-patting... even if they have never met! Oh, a bully's life is SO complicated in this modern world! Ah, well... those deep needs to explicate one's superiority must be met! DNA will find a way!

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 01:51 PM

PHOR PHUCKS SAKE AKE.

Is anyone stalking you today?

No?

Then why do you keep shoveling the same crap?

Do you WANT to be stalked.

Musket. Quit picking on Ake. It is not sporting and it is boring for everyone else when you keep pushing the same buttons and getting the same reactions.

Keith A Quit picking on musket. It is not sporting and it is boring for everyone else when you keep pushing the same buttons and getting the same reactions.

A discussion is not something that mature, civilized people try to win.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 01:58 PM

I am very tired, too tired to play music, been trying to repair a barn, have had loads of trees down, thanks for the good wishes, at least I wasnt flooded, being up the top of a hill.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST,Emissary from Musketland
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 02:07 PM

No Bill. Bullying at school was being cruel in a top dog attempt. Or base human nature as we say in hushed tones.

The way of life where I come from of merciless ribbing and seeing how far up a wall people get and winning prizes for the highest chalk mark doesn't, in my experience, cross the pond successfully.

Like I said, the only snag with bringing it from reality to la la land of the interwebby thing is that your eyes give you away back in reality.

Even worse, here on Mudcat, ribbing might be seen as approval and that will never do. If you hadn't noticed, we have people on here who openly promote enforced rounding up of sections of society based on their choice of lover, who calls a lifestyle different to his own perverted etc. Even worse, there are those who would disguise their own feelings by giving tacit support to such extremists.

No. I'm all for debate but I don't think Mudcat is qualified to deal with some who use it to give oxygen to hate. It's asking far too much of the moderators.

I can't speak for my co Messiahs, but I can't see what the fuss is all about. If you can't handle the reaction, keep your bigotry in the pub where alcohol helps make you accepted. Most of us are sober and rational when reading Mudcat. (He says , after a liver soaking weekend in Edinburgh...)

Jack is my hero now if anyone hadn't noticed. He is, after all basing his chiselled jaw, well endowed novel hero character on Musket.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 02:20 PM

No one is "pushing my buttons" Jack,   I don't respond to stalkers and don't get the idea that there is any ribbing or fun about the tactic. I always keep calm, and never abuse or make threats! :0)

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 02:28 PM

"No one is "pushing my buttons" Jack, "

No? So why do you keep shoveling out the same old tired load of manure every time someone calls you an name?

It is not as if you haven't made the same screwed up point a hundred times over. The are a lot of people who don't stalk you who are tired of your crap. Why do you continue? If not to count coup on you "stalkers."

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 02:45 PM

The stalker remark had nothing to do with "name calling", Jack.

I thought your campaign was to stop "name calling"?

Or is it only when you are the target that you find it unacceptable?

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jim McLean
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 03:33 PM

Goodbye, JtS.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 04:01 PM

My impression is that you just like to argue and don't care about evidence or the health of the group you claim to be campaigning for.

Your impression is wrong Jack.
There is nothing either of us have ever said to justify such a disgusting slur.

I have cared enough about evidence to only provide it with a reputable source, and to identify false evidence put up by Musket.

Anyone who did not care about people's health would advocate letting them die, not encouraging them to get screened and treated.

Perhaps you should just fuck off Jack, and good riddance.

My best wishes to Carol anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 04:16 PM

"The way of life where I come from of merciless ribbing and seeing how far up a wall people get and winning prizes for the highest chalk mark doesn't, in my experience, cross the pond successfully."

Yes, I am sure of that... if fact, I have commented on it several times. What I do not understand, and likely never will, is why you (and a few others) persist in the exercise in an **international** forum where it doesn't always set well. It is even more complicated than that: it is hard sometimes to tell when "merciless ribbing" stops and gratuitous serious insults begins! When Steve calls Pete really nasty names, is it "merciless ribbing"?

You could go to Japan and refuse to make formal bows and exchange cards. You could go to Saudi Arabia and eat left-handed. There are all sorts of areas where the common social norms are different, but if YOUR social norm includes ignoring and ridiculing the norms of others and perusing your own, no matter what, don't be surprised if the game wears on those who don't play it daily. I can usually tell, in face-to-face personal encounters, who is "merciless ribbing" me, and who is really after me in a serious way. Here, it is harder..... and more importantly, it TAKES LONGER to analyze and type a measured response than to exchange 'live' banter!

My preference is to use HTML ☺ and other indications to be very clear about my intentions, and also to argue against positions, not personalities... witness this attempt! Jack can tell you that I have in the past debated with HIM... and his wife... but I know them personally, and they are good people. I attended their wedding, and they have brought me wood for my shop. It is not important that we have had different opinions about a couple issues!

I'm not sure if people will ever develop rules for conversations in this medium.... 40,000 years of doing it in person (ooops.. 8,000 in Pete's case) certainly can't be overcome in 20 years of text. Maybe when Mudcat has Skype built in.....

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Musket
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 05:21 PM

"False evidence put up by Musket..."

This is why I may turn some off. You see I don't lie about healthcare, on account of the fact I no more lie about healthcare than a lollipop man lies about when it is clear to cross.

Unfortunately, healthcare is an excellent way of scaring you to their odious points of view. The Daily Mail makes a point of it with its daily cancer scare. Keith has a political point to make and Akenaton displays hatred towards sections of society. The two of them prop each other up despite contradicting each other at every turn.

Mudcat isn't qualified to deal with it. In fact, incitement to hatred is usually an item for the police but anyway. Nobody is impressed by their twisting abuse to sate their irrational fear of things different to them, so the most damning thing I can say is no harm done.

Bill. This is an international forum. I'm not ever going to understand how you approach, so not surprised you don't understand me. I too admire the openness and frankness of Jack, whilst I doubt his approach to subjects is anything like mine.

Luckily, at least he has views. Some on here, two in particularly have agendas, and their particular form of finding reasons to hate sections of society neither deserve nor get respect. They are not views, they are personality disorder.

One of them just told your friend to fuck off. If ever there was an opportunity for someone to take their own advice.....

Subject: Lyr Add: HOW CAN I MISS YOU WHEN YOU WON'T GO AWAY
From: pdq
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 05:48 PM

HOW CAN I MISS YOU WHEN YOU WON'T GO AWAY?
~ Dan Hicks

I've talked to your mother and I've talked to your dad
They say they've tried, but it's all in vain
I've begged and I've pleaded
I even got mad
Now we must face it, you give me a pain

How can I miss you when you won't go away?
Keep telling you day after day
But you won't listen, you always stay and stay
How can I miss you when you won't go away?

Your neverending presence really cramps my style
I dream that it won't always be the same
At first I was attracted, but after a while
Have you ever heard of the hard-to-get game?

How can I miss you when you won't go away?
I keep telling you day after day
But you won't listen, you always stay and stay
How can I miss you when you won't go away?
And I mean it, too!

Out of 3 billion people, why must it be me?
Oh why, oh why won't you cut me loose?
Just do me a favor and listen to my plea
I'm not the only chicken on the roost!

How can I miss you when you won't go away?
I keep telling you day after day
But you won't listen, you always stay and stay
How can I miss you when you won't go away?

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 06:29 PM

I have seen little "logic" from the "Messiahs" or their alter egos.

Does that include me, ake. I do hope so. I would rather be in the company of Musket and Steve than some others any day. I have seen more logic in some of their arguments than in any post by you. OK - It gets a bit heated at times but you would try the patience of saint.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 06:49 PM

"I'm not ever going to understand how you approach, so not surprised you don't understand me."

Do notice that my major point about what I 'don't understand' is the part about why you pursue your approach toward those who don't play that game. Is it that firmly set in your mind that it become automatic? Are you able to pop out of that mode when it isn't working? Or do you just not care how it affects those who aren't as clever or just don't wish to play?
(Those are kind of serious questions... I have inhabited this forum since it began and was ONLY a music site. I have more than a passing interest in its development and its relationship to internet 'rules' and formalities in general. I also frequent some newsgroups (Usenet) and find some of the same issues in groups that one would think would not lead to rancor and conflict.)

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 06:49 PM

Musket's false healthcare claims and his ignorance and denial of facts are on display in recent posts to HIV thread.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 07:14 PM

Dave, the "alter egos", are the group of "guests" who swarm round your little group.
I am reliably informed that the nameless one has numerous Mudcat guest personas and I know from reading his posts that there is and has been collusion with associates like the Seaham Cemetery troll. Most of these posts have been kindly deleted by admin, but I have them on file.
I am sure you are above THAT sort of childishness

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 07:42 PM

Dave, the "alter egos", are the group of "guests" who swarm round your little group.

Oh, FFS, ake. How many times to I need to repeat that I have no 'little group'. I can tell you exactly who I have met on Mudcat but I would not name them here in case you deem them to be 'childish' or any other such names. They include many from the UK - I did arrange a Mudcat gathering in Manchester. At least 3 from the US and 1 from Germany. They do not include Musket, Steve or any of the others you are trying to discredit with your silly little games.Just accept that I am not in some sort of conspiracy to get you. You are just not that important.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 07:45 PM

"Jack Blandiver" is also pretty transparent....even for one as basically educated as myself.   :0)

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 08:17 PM

"the purpose of discussion is enlightenment, not disagreement."

Al, you miss the point.

Unless people have different points of view, there is nothing to discuss.

Different points of view = disagreement.

Disagreement may not be the purpose, but it must, IMHO, be the process.

Nobody was ever enlightened by NOT having his views challenged.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 08:21 PM

"Troubadour, it is possible to disagree without name-calling, gratuitous abuse and personal denigration.
That is what Jack campaigned for, he had every right to do so, and what a shame that he had to."

He chose his targets wih a bias which was both obvious and indefensible.

Why did he not react to your calling Musket a "Fucking disgrace", while castigating others for using the word "fool"?

Having said that, I am agin seeing him leave while people like you remain.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 08:23 PM

Damn! That was (fairly obviously) me.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 08:32 PM

"I have cared enough about evidence to only provide it with a reputable source, and to identify false evidence put up by Musket."

Such evidence as "Israel denies that"!

WOW!

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 08:43 PM

Just before I turn in.

"Nobody was ever enlightened by NOT having his views challenged."
I agree 100% GUEST T, but there is a difference between having ones views "challenged", and being subjected to sustained personal abuse and name calling.
One can answer a "challenge" reasonably, but it is impossible to debate with someone who relies on personal insults, and the traducing of his opponent's character and motives?

Keith did swear at the person he was addressing, but he had been subjected to weeks of abuse and name calling before that.
There are few here who could have endured that treatment without occasionally "biting back".

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 09 Mar 14 - 09:21 PM

Checking in while watching "Cosmos" on TV Y'all trying to keep me away?

BTW, pete, it starts with the scientific method.

I don't know if I started this conversation by asking Ake not to defend me. But guys

http://grammar.about.com/od/developingessays/a/topicargumt07.htm

here are forty conversations to discuss. All of them are more interesting than "Is Ake a worm?", "Is Musket a liar" and hasn't Jack left yet.

Oops! show's back on!

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 03:19 AM

Troubadour, Musket referred to himself as "fucking important."
I was just repeating it back to him.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 05:31 AM

One can answer a "challenge" reasonably, but it is impossible to debate with someone who relies on personal insults, and the traducing of his opponent's character and motives?

I feel obliged to point out that this is exactly what Ake did to me on Xmas Day 2013 when, failing to understand the content of a post I made in answer to his intransigent & sickening homophobia, he resorted to dismissing me as mentally ill or on drugs.

As with Arch Flamer Jack the Sailor, his continued hypocrisy on this matter is laughable, likewise his above comment "Jack Blandiver" is also pretty transparent....even for one as basically educated as myself.. WFT???

*

That Xmas post to save anyone the bother of wading for it:

http://mudcat.org/detail.cfm?messages__Message_ID=3586522

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST,Not Musket
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 06:18 AM

Thought I'd try calling myself something else as my posts tend to go missing.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 07:18 AM

I CBA to read all this, but I am AMAZED recently to have seen one post from the Sorearse and and one from Jack the Sprat that I agreed with.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Max
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 12:42 PM

Let me know if you need any "help" with your decision JtS.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 02:35 PM

From "Jack Blandiver".
The end of the post immediately before my jocular response.

"The possibilities are endless, so it's always a shame when some small-minded ill-informed fecking idiot comes along spreading their message of hate based on a complete misunderstanding of what is natural, or not natural, based entirely on their own fucked up miserable world-view which is the only true perversion here!

My response.

"And a Merry Christmas to you too Jack, no matter which planet or substance you are on."

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 02:53 PM

Hello Max,

I am surprised I have lasted this long.

I said my goodbyes in case they are necessary.

As you can observe, I have both chilled and I am now am fighting my own battles.

I have given up hope of seeing the Mudcat become what it occasionally glimmers to be. It saddens me but that is the reality I must face.

I don't have the time or patience for this forum that I once had. Unkind argumentative bickering wears one down.

I am happy to do my best to observe any official, posted rules on this forum which are endorsed, observed, and are either enforced by the moderating team or obeyed by consensus.

If it is all the same to you, I will check in once in a while and treat others as I am treated.

All the best to you and yours.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 03:07 PM

Don't be downhearted Jack, because not everyone is unkind or argumentative, or tends to bicker. There are still lots of very nice interesting and polite people here. I hope you will call in from time to time. I for one will be interested to read what you have to say.
Eliza x (One hundred. No, not my age, this is post number 100.)

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 03:31 PM

The end of the post immediately before my jocular response.

Ag, but I make no claims otherwise, Ake - neither do I whine on about being hard done to or even bother much with the Holy Law. I gave your comment the contempt it deserved at the time, though in context (and retrospect) I feel it was a fair response to what I said, which was an equally fair response to your ongoing homophobic idiocy, and so on down the line. I'm just pointing out that you (and Jack the Flamer) give as good as you get - so why the hypocrisy, huh?

Otherwise, I think it's civilised enough around here. The worst I've ever had was a PM from Joe Offer a few years back saying I disgusted him for defending MtheGM's right to call me a c*nt. Top stuff!

I don't think anyone here is operating out of pure malice - the various Mudcat Trolls & Flamers are quite a mild bunch considering some of the stuff you see out there. Here it's just hearty banter spiced up with a touch of genuine heartfelt conviction and maybe just a pinch of disappointment that anyone could be so damn dumb in the face of so wondrous a diversity as The Cosmos and all we who dwell therein.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Musket
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 03:37 PM

Aye, ignorance isn't always wicked. Refusal to be enlightened through debate though, it makes you wonder why they seek debate in the first place.

I've had a few pm and emails from our resident saint myself. Personally, I prefer the ones where he likes me.

The only thing I can't tolerate is intolerance.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 04:20 PM

Jack B, There IS a difference, I do not curse at you or call you an idiot.

These issues are going to affect society in the future, HIV Infection, the secular society versus religious faith, "liberalism" versus social conservatism, they deserve serious discussion.

Knee jerk reactions are unacceptable, blanket "stoppers", like "equality", "discrimination", "homophobia", "racism", don't cut it on a discussion forum like this.

I have seen no homophobia, or racism here for years and out in the real world equality does not exist under our economic system.

Just keep calm and make your case, you are not God, your ideology is not worth more than mine or any other member of this forum, unless you can prove it to be better.

An example. A guest/ member called me a homophobic bigot on my statement that many male homosexual "marriages"/ unions are different from conventional marriage, in that they are often "open" relationships containing several sexual partners, I posted a link backing my statement and it was completely ignored. A couple of posts later the same person called me a homophobic bigot again....Its all meaningless bullshit, simply an intimidation tactic.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 04:30 PM

Yes, there is a difference. Calling someone an idiot or cursing them is a frivolous, if annoying, pastime. Calling into question someone's sanity or possible addictions when you have no idea whether that person is mentally unstable or has a close one who does suffer from addiction is reckless and could do some serious damage.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 04:57 PM

"Merry Christmas to you too Jack no matter what planet or substance you are on"

I was an sardonic joke in response to a foul mouthed abusive post.
As YOU know very well.

Disingenuous to the end Dave?

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 05:05 PM

Mike Rice!!

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 05:34 PM

"
Don't be downhearted Jack, because not everyone is unkind or argumentative, or tends to bicker."

I know this. Those who do that are likely to be pleased that I will no longer be trying to talk them out of their recreation.

I would send you a "private message" if I could but I have said as much as I can on the matter publicly.

Cheers Eliza and God Bless you.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: gnu
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 05:46 PM

Well, it appears this thread is pretty much done. So, ya gonna ask fer it ta be closed, JtS? The reason I ask is because ya said it 'might' be goodbye and the thread went on long enough fer tha site owner ta ask ya if ya needed any help on yer decision. I mean, take a hint eh b'y? Shit er get off tha pot would ya? Further, I always liked your posts and I like you as a person but fer tha Lard thunderin fuck, it's about time ya gave this shit up. Ere ya TRYIN ta get Max ta chuck ya fer good like ya posted above? Is it a fuckin game? I wouldn't be surprised or blame him if he mowed yer grass after all this fertilizer. I mean, WTF? WHY? And, I don't need a reply. Just shit or get off tha pot. The trolls are gatherin by the post and shittin in the pile and it stinks.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 05:57 PM

I have no control over Max or the trolls, gnu. Thank you for your concern. I am also not going to tell or ask anyone to close a thread. I've had that suggestion ignored and mocked too may times.

I know you like me as a person. But that is almost never to my benefit. This is the fourth or fifth time you basically called me an arsehole in public. That isn't exactly kind or polite. Is it? Why can't you complain to me privately? You are not rude on Facebook? What is it about the Mudcat?

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 06:11 PM

I was an sardonic joke in response to a foul mouthed abusive post.
As YOU know very well.

I know nothing of the sort. How should I?

Let me give you another example. Someone once posted that anyone who wears ear plugs at concerts is rude and ignorant. I pointed out that my wife had to wear them because of a hearing problem that causes her physical pain when the noise levels, particularly the bass registers, get to high. They then took the opportunity to laugh at the image of people with hearing problems going to concerts. Very funny joke indeed. Almost as good as making fun of the mentally disturbed and drug addicts.

Come of it, ake. You are more than happy to have a go at people, often in a very underhand way, but when they have the temerity to answer back you start to scream about abuse.

Hah!

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: gnu
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 06:34 PM

"This is the fourth or fifth time you basically called me an arsehole."

I disagree. You misinterpreted some posts in previous threads and they are in the record for YOU to review. As for my post to which you refer above, I am not calling you an arsehole. Rather, I am calling your bluff. Simply, I am tired of your railing against what we now know to be a Mudcat posting policy and pissing off the mods and members and the site owner. I like ya but... drop it eh?

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 07:07 PM

I disagree with you gnu.
What's a man to do?


If you want the thread to be closed ask for it yourself.
If you have crap to throw around throw it a someone else.

If you are showing off you Max. Take your show elsewhere please.

If you are my friend, stop being a jackass and take the show private.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: SINSULL
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 07:18 PM

Is this the same Sailor who posted under multiple identities attacking multiple members anonymously until he was outed by the Mudelfs? This is laughable.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Songwronger
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 09:18 PM

This is the longest version of Camille I've ever seen.

I had no idea you pissed off so many people here Jack the Sailor. I know you bitched about my condemnation of fascism, and I think I made it through a couple of your posts during those exchanges, but DAMN man, you've really irritated some people.

Clue on how to go out with a bit of style.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 09:59 PM

From an intermittent visitor, who only posts when he has something which contributes, I think some of you post too much, causing threads to degenerate either into waffle or bile. When I see what actually happened in the Countess Richard funeral thread last year, I'm certain I don't want much to do with the folk world now, friends like that I don't need. Right or wrong, a real human being's passing deserved better than the arguments over what had happened rather than actually finding out. And it applies to both sides: has anyone actually done anything to ensure any other singleton folkies are checked up on, for instance? Nope. At least I can say I'm now working with one of the Councils involved to improve such questions.

Subject: RE: BS: This may be goodbye. from JTS.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Mar 14 - 10:52 PM

Shall we end this? It has gone full-circle, and near the end has received both crocodile tears from Songwronger and accurate remarks from an unnamed Guest: I think some of you post too much, causing threads to degenerate either into waffle or bile.

bobad commented about "the long goodbye" and gnu suggested it is time to "Just shit or get off tha pot."

I'll just add "good night, good night, good night" (Michael Cooney).

SRS