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BS: Freedom From Religion convention(US of course)

Mrrzy 17 Mar 14 - 03:05 PM
Jack the Sailor 17 Mar 14 - 05:27 PM
frogprince 17 Mar 14 - 07:19 PM
Steve Shaw 17 Mar 14 - 08:18 PM
McGrath of Harlow 18 Mar 14 - 06:48 AM
Bill D 18 Mar 14 - 12:32 PM
Mrrzy 18 Mar 14 - 03:18 PM
Jack Campin 18 Mar 14 - 03:32 PM
Steve Shaw 19 Mar 14 - 08:07 AM
frogprince 19 Mar 14 - 10:56 AM
Dorothy Parshall 19 Mar 14 - 04:56 PM
GUEST,Musket 20 Mar 14 - 04:25 AM
Greg F. 20 Mar 14 - 08:15 AM
Jack Campin 20 Mar 14 - 08:37 AM
Greg F. 20 Mar 14 - 08:44 AM
akenaton 20 Mar 14 - 09:06 AM
GUEST,Stringsinger 20 Mar 14 - 01:50 PM
Greg F. 20 Mar 14 - 03:34 PM
Dorothy Parshall 20 Mar 14 - 03:46 PM
Steve Shaw 20 Mar 14 - 05:41 PM
Steve Shaw 20 Mar 14 - 05:47 PM
GUEST 20 Mar 14 - 05:47 PM
Amos 21 Mar 14 - 12:31 PM
GUEST,pete from seven stars link 22 Mar 14 - 06:17 AM
GUEST,stringsinger 22 Mar 14 - 02:23 PM

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Subject: BS: Freedom From Religion con (US of course)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 Mar 14 - 03:05 PM

This year's is in Raleigh NC, Bible Belt country, anybody else want to go? It is very musical, actually...

May 2-3, Fri and Sat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom From Religion con (US of course)
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 17 Mar 14 - 05:27 PM

Interesting.

Free thought?

At $90 a ticket and 60 for meals, it is hardly free :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom From Religion con (US of course)
From: frogprince
Date: 17 Mar 14 - 07:19 PM

I looked at the title and was at a total loss to know what to expect.
Did it mean that someone had found a way to run a confidence scam by supposedly promoting freedom from religion? Was someone objecting to the denunciation of religion as an effort to "con" America out of its tendency to religious faith? Based on my possible interpretations of the title, could I guess which of the regular participants posted it?   Then I looked at the thread and found out I'd wasted all that surmising. : )

    Sorry to spoil your fun - I used my extra spaces and squeezed the word "convention" into the title, replacing the "con."
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom From Religion con (US of course)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Mar 14 - 08:18 PM

I love it! Sorry, froggers... ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom From Religion convention(US of course)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Mar 14 - 06:48 AM

I suppose "freedom from religion" is quite conventional in some circles. But how about "freedom from convention"? That can subvert it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom From Religion convention(US of course)
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Mar 14 - 12:32 PM

Ummmm... the phrase that pops into my mind is: 'Preaching to the choir'.... I'm not sure how to translate that into a secular concept.

"technically", we already have *freedom from religion* for those who desire it, though that right is hard to implement. I assume this group is intent on improving the situation. Good luck to them!


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom From Religion convention(US of course)
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Mar 14 - 03:18 PM

Yes, I meant Con as short for Convention - ComicCon, etc... but I can see the misunderstanding, thanks little elf.

We don't have freedom from religion but that isn't what the thread is about, it's about who's in the Raleigh/Durham area or would like to spend a weekend there... showering sanity on all who are anywhere near.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom From Religion convention(US of course)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 18 Mar 14 - 03:32 PM

The schedule doesn't make it look like a rip-roaring good time. But I guess a convention for People Who've Never Had Anthrax would also have difficulty finding common ground on what constituted fun.

Couldn't they at least get a sponsorship deal from a local brewery to produce a god-free beer for the event?


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom From Religion convention(US of course)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Mar 14 - 08:07 AM

We'll have freedom from religion the day people of religion decide to keep their notions strictly to themselves, which is the only way it should be. Just think of the mutual respect that would ensue. We'd have next to nothing to argue about!


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom From Religion convention(US of course)
From: frogprince
Date: 19 Mar 14 - 10:56 AM

"We'd have next to nothing to argue about!"

Not a problem; some folks here are happy to argue about next to nothing day in and day out. : )


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom From Religion convention(US of course)
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 19 Mar 14 - 04:56 PM

This may be a bit off topic but we have been reading The Bonobo and the Atheist: In Search of Humanism Among the Primates by Frans de Waal, at our house. A fascinating study of the origins of morality within the pre-human primates. Morality pre-dates religion, apparently. So those of us who find it quite possible to be moral without being religious are merely following through on the traditions of our primate heritage.

From whence, then, comes the add-ons of man made, hierarchical - mostly - religions. Maybe that is another book, or a few zillion books! Some of which might be interesting, or amusing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom From Religion convention(US of course)
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 20 Mar 14 - 04:25 AM

Morality, or at least altruism is a trait shared by just about every creature in some way or other. If cooperation is the key to survival, then morality is part and parcel.

You see, morality is down to old old man with a silver beard after all. Just happens to be Darwin rather than God.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom From Religion convention(US of course)
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Mar 14 - 08:15 AM

Guess this woman won't be attending the convention, eh?

Susanne Atanus, Who Blames Gay Rights For Tornadoes, Wins GOP Nomination For Congress
The Huffington Post | by Samantha Lachman
Posted: 03/19/2014

A Republican candidate who believes that God dictates weather patterns and that tornadoes, autism and dementia are God's punishments for marriage equality and abortion access won the GOP nomination to challenge Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) in the Chicago-area 9th Congressional District.

Susanne Atanus, of Niles, Ill., garnered 54 percent of the vote in her Tuesday win over David Earl Williams III.

"I am not in favor of abortions, I am not in favor of gay rights," Atanus told the Daily Herald, a suburban Chicago newspaper, in January.

She blamed natural disasters and mental disorders on recent advances in LGBT equality and legal abortions.

"God is angry. We are provoking him with abortions and same-sex marriage and civil unions," she said. "Same-sex activity is going to increase AIDS. If it's in our military, it will weaken our military. We need to respect God."

Atanus also reached out to the Windy City Times, an LGBT publication, in an attempt to explain her views.

"Everybody knows that God controls weather," she told the news site in January. "God is super angry," she added. "Gay marriage is not appropriate, and it doesn't look right, and it breeds AIDS."


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom From Religion convention(US of course)
From: Jack Campin
Date: 20 Mar 14 - 08:37 AM

A fundie called "S. Atanus"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom From Religion convention(US of course)
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Mar 14 - 08:44 AM

Ya gotta love them fundies- what a sense of humor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom From Religion convention(US of course)
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Mar 14 - 09:06 AM

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We'll have freedom from religion the day people of religion decide to keep their notions strictly to themselves"

Having "notions", is not confined to people of faith Steven, you and those like you, would happily enforce your "notions" on anyone who disagreed with them.

As an atheist, I still understand the need for a little spirituality in our lives. Theological guidance does much more good than harm.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom From Religion convention(US of course)
From: GUEST,Stringsinger
Date: 20 Mar 14 - 01:50 PM

". the phrase that pops into my mind is: 'Preaching to the choir'"

Not so. FFRF is on the front lines protecting the Separation of Church and State
with law suits against the Religious Wrong. They're not preaching in any way but taking
a fighting stand against the religious zealots who want to subvert the Constitution
and turn the US into a theocracy.

I even think that fundamentalist, James Madison would applaud what they're doing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom From Religion convention(US of course)
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Mar 14 - 03:34 PM

As would Thomas Jefferson - tho hardly a fundagelical.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom From Religion convention(US of course)
From: Dorothy Parshall
Date: 20 Mar 14 - 03:46 PM

religion is not, imo, spirituality. Although religions may purport to have spirituality as some part of their plan. Spirituality stands alone without any of the claptrap of any known religion, imo.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom From Religion convention(US of course)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Mar 14 - 05:41 PM

Having "notions", is not confined to people of faith Steven, you and those like you, would happily enforce your "notions" on anyone who disagreed with them.

Irksome in the extreme when, one's having gone to pains to use one's real name, some pillock then misspells it. Call me Steve, twat, ratbag, Wacko-baiter, Messiah, anything you bloody like. But not Steven. I've been Stephen since 1951, right? And the only person who ever calls me that and not Steve is my missus when she's pissed off with me. Only happened 23 times today. A good day.

Well now that that's cleared up, about these notions of mine. As far as I'm aware, I express my notions for folks to take or leave. I am no leader of men. I would not happily enforce my notions on anyone. Most of my notions are about trying to stop people of prejudice, such as yourself, and people of delusion, such as believers in God, forcing their notions on innocent people. I think I'm definitely in the rearguard there. May I use the word "rearguard" with a rabid homophobe such as yourself, by the way?


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom From Religion convention(US of course)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Mar 14 - 05:47 PM

religion is not, imo, spirituality. Although religions may purport to have spirituality as some part of their plan. Spirituality stands alone without any of the claptrap of any known religion, imo.

I couldn't agree more. Having spent half my life in religion and the other half happily unshackled from it, I definitely think that the spirituality that does without an invented deity and that revels in the magnificent ordinariness of the natural world in all its beauty and complexity forms a far more satisfying basis for a happy life.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom From Religion convention(US of course)
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Mar 14 - 05:47 PM

Loved the Bobobo and the Atheist!

And, hee hee hee.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom From Religion convention(US of course)
From: Amos
Date: 21 Mar 14 - 12:31 PM

I don't think anyone wants to eradicate spirituality. What I insist on is that religious caterwauling and the Caterwauling of the Law be in two entirely separate tents.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom From Religion convention(US of course)
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 06:17 AM

anyone noticed that the cosmos has come to an end !?
and stilly didn't say what the scientific meaning of "conjecture" is, before s/he [?] closed it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Freedom From Religion convention(US of course)
From: GUEST,stringsinger
Date: 22 Mar 14 - 02:23 PM

"Spirituality" is a word that can't be pinned down because it runs contrary to "material" which is all anyone really knows about the world, though even then, the arrogance of religious people to claim they know, based on scriptures, that which is unseen, is as close to the flat earth theory of the world as you can get.

I prefer to trust the perspicacity of scientists who enable discovery through humility, who will examine "spirituality" by making it testable, a discipline that requires logic, education and an adventurous nature.

"Spirituality" is subject to too many different interpretations and can't be defined specifically, defying any intelligent conversation on the subject.

Science, with a specific definition, can be said to be a form of spirituality in that it entails the awe that you can have with discovery, as Tyson says, when you realize that we are connected to the orbs in outer space because our bodies retain those chemicals that they have.

We find that the multiverse is expanding, that dark matter controls the gravitational pull of planets, stars and asteroids away from each other, that worlds collide, that there are new planets being discovered; if the excitement over these discoveries are what defines "spirituality" then I can accept this term rather than some obeisance to a cheesy god.


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