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Any ideas?? Thomas the Rhymer

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Claire M 25 Mar 14 - 10:32 AM
GUEST 25 Mar 14 - 01:20 PM
Jack Blandiver 25 Mar 14 - 01:22 PM
Jim Carroll 25 Mar 14 - 01:41 PM
GUEST,Mike Yates 25 Mar 14 - 01:46 PM
Jack Blandiver 25 Mar 14 - 02:47 PM
Jim Carroll 25 Mar 14 - 03:41 PM
GUEST,leeneia 25 Mar 14 - 08:19 PM
Jack Campin 26 Mar 14 - 06:23 AM
Jim Carroll 26 Mar 14 - 07:38 AM
GUEST,Mike Yates 26 Mar 14 - 10:33 AM
Jim Carroll 26 Mar 14 - 10:56 AM
Jack Campin 26 Mar 14 - 01:03 PM
Jim Carroll 26 Mar 14 - 01:30 PM
GUEST,Mike Yates 27 Mar 14 - 05:05 AM
Jim Carroll 27 Mar 14 - 03:48 PM
Richard Mellish 27 Mar 14 - 05:35 PM
ChanteyLass 27 Mar 14 - 07:26 PM
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Subject: BS: Any ideas??
From: Claire M
Date: 25 Mar 14 - 10:32 AM

Hiya,

In a new myths & legends book there's a retelling of Thomas the Rhymer. I've always wanted to be in his situation, but I've never heard of a song w/ another woman being carried off by the Queen of fair Elfland before; or sobbing into her dress while she uses archaic language, silver pouring from her tongue.

Come to think of it I have been feeling a bit queer lately ….


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Subject: RE: Any ideas?? Thomas the Rhymer
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 14 - 01:20 PM

It could be a full moon.


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Subject: RE: Any ideas?? Thomas the Rhymer
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 25 Mar 14 - 01:22 PM

See King Orfeo - Child #19.


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Subject: RE: Any ideas?? Thomas the Rhymer
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Mar 14 - 01:41 PM

There is an excellent novel by Scots writer Nigel Tranter which de-mystifies this tale.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Any ideas?? Thomas the Rhymer
From: GUEST,Mike Yates
Date: 25 Mar 14 - 01:46 PM

Tranter's book is titled "True Thomas".


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Subject: RE: Any ideas?? Thomas the Rhymer
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 25 Mar 14 - 02:47 PM

See also Dianna Wynne-Jones' amazing Fire & Hemlock for a mindblowing take on True Thomas & Tam Lin... A must!


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Subject: RE: Any ideas?? Thomas the Rhymer
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Mar 14 - 03:41 PM

Sorry Mike - forgot to put up the name - a Tranter fan I presume?
He did a grera job on Macbeath as well
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Any ideas?? Thomas the Rhymer
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 25 Mar 14 - 08:19 PM

Hi, claire. I don't know of you are able to play an instrument, but seriously, the best way to be transported from the workaday world into a better and beautiful state of being is to play an instrument that you love. No supernatural rulers are required.

What about a fretted dulcimer for you?

Most players hold it on their lap, but I prefer to put it on a table.


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Subject: RE: Any ideas?? Thomas the Rhymer
From: Jack Campin
Date: 26 Mar 14 - 06:23 AM

What's the book?


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Subject: RE: Any ideas?? Thomas the Rhymer
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Mar 14 - 07:38 AM

I assume you mean the Tranter book - simply called 'Macbeth the King' I think - as far from Shakespeare as you could possibly get.
Most of Tranter's 60-odd Scots novels are a remarkable introduction to Scots history; The Wallace, The Bruce trilogy. Lord of the Isles, The James Sixth/1st Trilogy, The McGregor trilogy.
Well-researched, readable history - very few 'gluggers' among them.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Any ideas?? Thomas the Rhymer
From: GUEST,Mike Yates
Date: 26 Mar 14 - 10:33 AM

Jim, I first came across Tranter when I was living in the Scottish Border country. Anyone visiting that part of the world should certainly have a look at the Rhymer Stone, just outside Melrose. This stands in the region where Thomas's story happened.


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Subject: RE: Any ideas?? Thomas the Rhymer
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Mar 14 - 10:56 AM

Thanks Mike - thought you were still living there
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Any ideas?? Thomas the Rhymer
From: Jack Campin
Date: 26 Mar 14 - 01:03 PM

I assume you mean the Tranter book

No, I meant the book Claire was talking about.


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Subject: RE: Any ideas?? Thomas the Rhymer
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Mar 14 - 01:30 PM

Apologies
Gave me a chance to talk about one of my favourite authors
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Any ideas?? Thomas the Rhymer
From: GUEST,Mike Yates
Date: 27 Mar 14 - 05:05 AM

Jim, we left the Scottish Borders some 5 years ago and now live in Wiltshire, where we help look after our two young grandsons. As a reader, you may like to know that I have spent the last couple of years working on a biography of the Swindon-born communist writer Ralph Bates, who, amongst many things, fought in the International Brigade during the Spanish Civil War. Having started life as a factory apprentice he ended up as a Professor of English Literature and Creative Writing at New York University. A remarkable man whose life is now hardly remembered.


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Subject: RE: Any ideas?? Thomas the Rhymer
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Mar 14 - 03:48 PM

I am interested Mike - my dad was wounded and a prisoner-of-war in Spain.
If it's not finished, please let me know when it is
Don't suppose you'll be at the Collectors Collective Conference, will you - we'll be venturing our lives on the stormy billows (via Ryanair) for it.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: Any ideas?? Thomas the Rhymer
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 27 Mar 14 - 05:35 PM

Not relevant to the OP's enquiry, but worth mentioning as another re-telling, is Ellen Kushner's novel.

Richard


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Subject: RE: Any ideas?? Thomas the Rhymer
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 27 Mar 14 - 07:26 PM

Richard. Ellen Kushner did an author's talk at Stone Soup Coffeehouse in Rhode Island several years ago, I bought an autographed copy of that book and enjoyed reading it.


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