BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?

Subject: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 07:22 AM

As Canada moves toward setting up a 'medical marijuana' farming/distribution system which will be heavily and strictly regulated (regulated = taxed), the contentious issue most important for me is that ill people will have to pay big $ (estimated to be $28k/y) whereas they were growing their own for near free. I understand the reasoning and I see an easy solution regarding cost to the patient but my purpose herein is to gather information from people who actually use medipot for ailments.

Have any readers used 'medipot' under prescription? For what ailments? Did it work for you? If you know personally anyone to which these questions apply and you know the answers, by all means, comment as/if appropriate.

Involved in the justification for licenced growers and charging big $ is the issue of producing pot with a consistent level of THC content. Also involved in this issue is the ability of growers being able to produce pot at various levels of TCH content in order to deliver a proper dosage for the ailment under treatment. My question regarding this aspect of medipot is simply… does it impair your ability to perform everyday tasks? Additionally, if it does affect any tasks, are you able to 'manage' dosage to circumvent any such problems. Does such management include amount; time of day; others?

Essentially, my curiosity boils down to: Does it work and, if so, for what ailments? Does it make ya loopy?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 08:47 AM

Scotland has free prescriptions so I wouldn't have to pay for it but I REALLY hope I never get a condition that needs that stuff. I find it less fun than Largactil.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 09:47 AM

Involved in the justification for licenced growers and charging big $ is the issue of producing pot with a consistent level of THC content. Also involved in this issue is the ability of growers being able to produce pot at various levels of TCH content in order to deliver a proper dosage for the ailment under treatment.
Why the need for different levels of TCH content? If it's produced with a consistent level of TCH then adjusting the quantity will adjust the dose.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 10:39 AM

It is my understanding that producing a "consistent level" is like controlling a specific pattern in cat fur. Pot is not refined in an assembly line like chocolate or Scotch... it's just bred to a basic, approximate level and 'flavor'. There is, I believe, synthetic THC, but it's not the same as what Nature offers.

Perhaps someone who knows more can clarify...

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 12:42 PM

"There is, I believe, synthetic THC, but it's not the same as what Nature offers."

You believe correctly and no, it ain't.

Ever since amateur botanists were inspired by the work of Gregor Mendel, the THC content of marijuana has skyrocketed as it were. I suppose Madison Avenue could spin it so that color, hue, odor or lack of, affect the prices people would pay for what I will henceforth call grass becouse marijuana is a pain in the butt to type. But yer basic toker is interested in levels that have been described with precise scientific meanings:

Ranks up there with oregano (very bad)
Change spark plugs on Pluto (very good)

Expressions evolve and come to have meaning within the 'community' of grass smokers, wherever they may be:

One toke shit--which is often dependent for meaning on who says it but if said by a conizur--like wine conizures but different--carries more weight than if said by Shane in Blind River for example

Two toke shit--still good but not primo

Three toke shit--bake with it

Levels of THC in grass have risen in the past fifty/sixty years if the stuff my friends tell me has any truth to it. As a kid the top of the line stuff was Panama Red or Acaupolco Gold (just had to say it, not spell it) which was about 6% THC. Fast forward to these days and the percentage of THC has quadrupled. Using THC for pain management means taking what is 'right' for you and the condition you wish to ameliorate. People are different. However, I see little evidence of 'drug culture' associated with grass other than the aspect brought to it by governments.

There is a concern with which I agree: do not operate heavy machinery while under the influence. If I smoked I would adhere to that warning. For example, a friend told me that he almost starved to death because he didn't want to handle the silver fork to eat the Sara Lee Double Chocolate Pound Cake or something like that.

The misinformation that has been generated to do with grass is massive. Much of it is misinformation. Maybe the 'right' people aren't making a buck off it.

Is grass for everyone? Of course not. My very own mother may she rest in peace split a joint with a girl friend of hers back in 1970 or so. The story I heard was that the sent my brother off to get cigarettes and they ordered two barbecue chickens with all the trimmings from one of Montreal's best restaurants for that sort of thing: St Hubert. An hour later when he returned there was nothing left of the home delivery but chicken bones, clean chicken bones, sparkling clean chicken bones. My dear old mother may she rest in peace weighed 105 pounds when she was carrying a ten-pond bag of potatoes. She claimed the only effect grass had on her was that she got hungry. Her friend was finishing a one-quart strawberry milkshake and her answer was too garbled to print here. Well, maybe not. She said, "Bosherds drub glaxxaw bracklerst."

I find there usually isn't much point talking about it because most people don't want to hear about it. We cannot trust our governments on the issue, they having been complicit in spreading so much false information about it to begin with.

The red herring about needing to control THC content: Why? I know seasoned smokers who take a toke, wait two minutes and assess the situation. If they have forgot about the situation by then, well bingo, that's one toke shit and they don't take any after that. Someone with a higher tolerance might take another but you roll his body out of the way and if you're real nice put a pillow under his head.

From what I know it works for many people who have stresses caused by illness, pain caused by illness, etc. Hell, I recall that acupuncture was one step removed from voodoo only sixty years ago. I don't think they are bad people, and even if I did it's none of my business anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 02:10 PM

When I lived in Wichita. the 'toke of desperation' was "Kansas City sore-throat" harvested wild from river banks. I had VERY few experiences to judge by... but one party had both 'electric' and 'acoustic' brownies. I had the good stuff before I grokked the difference.

One musician I knew grew his own, called "Benton silo" after the town and the growing situation. It was treated like old brandy by the locals... passed around on special occasions with reverent whispers. I never was offered any. The one and only time I ever partook openly was at the Smithsonian Folk Festival in 1973? I think.... people were passing it up & down the rows, while mounted D.C. cops rode past, ignoring the fragrant clouds.

Medical? I dunno... never needed it myself, but keeping the thread up to the top...

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 05:02 PM

Excellent commentary guest.

I sincerely hope there is a concerted effort among the medical community and Health Canada to gather 'performance evaluations' of all aspects of this endeavour (grand experiment?). Indeed, the newspaper articles quote experts from the government and Big Pot saying there will be a tremendous increase in the number of prescriptions. We are talking in the hundreds of thousands. I read the Health Canada info for MDs (here) but only on a speed- read basis. Many studies abound from various countries but the sheer volume of it precludes me doing little more than trusting Health Canada, Medicos and researchers.

On the surface, it seems that my ailment(s) might benefit from medipot but I am going to need convincing over time by both positive 'performance evaluations' as mentioned above and patient testimony. As an example, I read as much as I could find about the medications proposed by my arthritis specialist doc, discussed in detail the procedures involved in monitoring their use and then asked the doc what the prognoses were if I didn't use them. He said, increasing pain and mobility degradation and ten years off my life. I slept on it and respectfully declined treatment. So, I am going to investigate weed over at least the next several months and hope it is something that may be a help.

Last toke I had was in April, 1980 at the convocation bash. Didn't have arthritis back then so I have no personal knowledge.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: michaelr
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 07:23 PM

There are loads of active (but not psychoactive) ingredients in pot besides THC. Strains are bred to boost different ingredients for different ailments. Some don't even get you high, but they are beneficent medicine.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 07:50 PM

Keep in mind it behaves for many people as an analgesic. The problem with pain is that it's your body's way of telling you something ain't right, so getting rid of it completely is a bad idea. Most narcotic drugs have side effects that are less desirable than the pains they mask.

I have not found that to be the case with grass. But there are things of which one should be aware.

If the grass as been treated with chemicals or other drugs it can be very unhealthy for you. So know thy dealer.

Don't talk about it because the government and news media has so demonized the substance that you'd be better off telling your neighbors and friends that you have joined the Church of Satan.

Most people who smoke don't want to talk about how good or bad the grass is. Think about it. You're with five people who smoke. One guy has to embellish on profound things he thought of while under the influence, cleverly disguised as new-to-the-speaker revelations: peanut butter sticks to the roof of the mouth; jujubes sure are good; why anchovies on pizza or icecream?; is this what they meant by the term recreational therapy?, and the latest discovery that 'wow' is darned near an acceptable answer for almost any remark or question.

You know not to drink and drive. Same holds true for grass. But think about that advice from people, mostly government people: yep, I just had two tokes of one toke shit and what I want to do most is operate heavy machinery, juggle with Aunt Mehitabel's crystal glasswear, finally figure out why the chain saw doesn't start first time every time, pet the pitbull who's been giving me dirty looks for weeks--government authorities call these irresponsible choices. Most smokers I know call then stupid ideas and please pass the strawberry jam which would go well with this peanut butter, banana and lettuce sandwich.

I mentioned earlier that smoking is not for everyone (my smoker friends told me all this stuff, btw), and it isn't. Don't smoke bad grass. And do look up the movie "Reefer Madness" because it just about sums up what most people know about the drug today. (Basically, government has swung so far trying to use fear and questionable facts that they have little credibility left.

Reefer Madness in on Youtube at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_jGAC77Tpg

It's worth a close look. It's also quite funny.

Last time I watched it in a movie theatre it was difficult to see the screen. Very hazy in the room.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 07:51 PM

Oops.

Oops.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST,RB
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 07:57 PM

2 toke shit ?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 08:08 PM

Some moderator got rid of one of the oopses.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: bobad
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 08:35 PM

Our bodies produce an endogenous cannabinoid neurotransmitter called anandamide (from the Sanskrit "bliss" and amide)which binds to the same receptors as THC with similar effect. It plays a role in the regulation of feeding behavior, and the neural generation of motivation and pleasure.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 11:20 PM

Took the words right out of my mouth, bobad :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 03:38 AM

I share a driveway with a neighbor who has a medical marijuana prescription, so he's been trying to grow the stuff over the last five years of so. He's afraid of thievery, so he's trying to conceal his plots by erecting 8-foot fences around his property.
Kinda takes away from the rural beauty of the place, I think.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 06:26 AM

Though not germane to the OP except in perhaps an obvious way, my interest was generated by the fact that medipot has been increasingly reported in the local media for months and this rose to great heights last week due to the fact that on April 1 physicians were granted the ability to issue prescriptions. One recent newspaper article was so long that I had to put it down to get a second cup of tea.

In a nutshell, if the government (yeah, I know, I know) is going to allow medipot AND they can back it up with good science before and continuously during this grand experiment AND there is strong "anecdotal evidence"... I think it's at least worth a boo*. It certainly can't be worse than the pharmachemicals the arthritis specialist set out in my proposed treatment. First flag was when he said #2 would be tried first as it seems to have less drawbacks and that I would be strictly monitored, ie, blood test before and again after 2 weeks and again after 2 weeks and then monthly. I asked 'for how long'. The rest of my life. A heightened awareness was immediately instilled in me. Now, I always research anything prescribed but I read a LOT of info on these medications, twice, and took notes on second reading. Then came the consultation with the doc during which the gloom and doom message(s) noted above came to light. It is important to note that my decision to forego treatment is not based solely on facts cited herein but includes many considerations which apply only to my personal circumstances.

I have seen a significant advance in the pain and mobility departments since my decision a year and a half ago so maybe medipot is simply a pipe dream** but I'll continue my investigation for at least three months (I see my GP every three months).

Thanks for all contributions to this thread.

* Why yes, pun definitely intended.
** I am on a roll***.
*** Hat trick!

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Deckman
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 11:00 AM

I don't know if this contribution to the discussion will be helpful ... I hope it is. We just ten days ago lost a close friend to the ravages of A.L.S. He died a slow, painfull and horrible death. For over three years, he used medical pot for pain relief as well as emotional comfort. For him it worked. I can't tell you anything of the dosages, frequancy of use, etc. You might find this interesting ... this man was a medical doctor.

We live in the Seattle area where the voters have just legalized pot. In our friend's case though, he was obtaining before it became legal ... I know where or how.

... hope this helps ... bob(deckman)nelson

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 11:48 AM

"* Why yes, pun definitely intended.
** I am on a roll***.
*** Hat trick!"

May I ask, WHAT HAT TRICK?

* was boo
** was pipe dream

Good ones. BUT, wtf is ***?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Crowhugger
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 01:21 PM

I think the gov't to force medipot users to buy product for quality control is beyond silly, based on ideology not logic. There is plenty of technology available to test for quantities of chemicals. If the goal of legislation were truly to serve the public, there would be a mechanism for self-growers to submit a batch sample for testing (or have someone come around and test it) to establish concentration and therefore dose.

As I understand it, MDs do not exactly write a true Rx for medipot because the product is not an approved drug, though the new system does change the doc's role. Previously they wrote a letter saying they'd discussed the matter with their patient and the patient states it help their [insert symptom(s) here]. Again as I understand it, under the new legislation, the doctor must actually state that medipot is an appropriate treatment for [insert symptom(s) here]. Since there is almost no scientific study, it'll be pretty tough for MDs to keep their licence and prescribe medipot in any but clearly terminal illnesses, and even then it'll be dodgy. So I expect new permits will be few and far between. Which all supports previous posts about the public impression of pot as only fit for criminal losers.

I don't really see why they didn't just place it under the "special permission" area of Health Canada where doctors can make a case for exceptions to be made to allow a drug to be used for other than its approved purpose. All they'd have to do is make a regulation (or law) that decriminalizes possession and growing where such permission has been granted. Most docs charge $0 to fill out that paperwork, though some charge for such stuff.

This gov't is entirely ideology driven and have axed science and statistics to make it difficult or expensive for anyone to confuse them with facts.

Personally, even a small amount has the effect on me of multiply pain 10-fold or more, such that the pain of a stiff neck that might be cured with a nice walk is made entirely incapacitating by consumption of any pot or THC derivative.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 05:50 PM

GUEST... boo... pipe dream... roll. Three = hat trick.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 09:39 AM

Thank you, gnu.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST,Mrrzy on another computer
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 02:03 PM

why anchovies on pizza or icecream?

I can think of why not anchovies on ice cream...

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 02:06 PM

Thanks Crowhugger. Dunno how I missed that. I ain't been smoking but baccy.

The only comment I can make on your comments is that the media reports state a forthcoming HUGE surge in medipot patients and there have been a number of BIG operations (16?) licenced to grow it, one of which is in the Moncton area. So, it seems to me the idea of it being limited to 'terminal' cases might be a rather strong statement at this time. Once again, allow me to harp on the same point(s)... I need to see strong evidence that it will help me and I need certain questions answered before I will consider it's use. You have provided evidence on a personal basis that I NEED to consider. So far, that's one vote 'nay' from a reliable source.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: michaelr
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 02:10 PM

Jeez, gnu, what "strong evidence" do you need? Roll up a fatter, burn it down, and see if you feel better. It ain't rocket surgery.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 06:57 AM

I don't have any and I wouldn't know where to get any and I wouldn't know how long I would have to use it or how much or... I assume these questions regarding dosage and time(ing) and such could be answered by the nurses (facilitators?) these growing companies employ to assess individual cases/needs. It's all quite vague, including cost, at present. Like I said, I'll be investigating the whole ball of wax (another one!) for at least 3 to 6 months.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 12:30 PM

Oh.. I forgot to mention something. It's illegal in these here parts to possess pot, boo, smoke, grass, ganja, reefer, weed, skunkweed, lambkill,... without a permit. Not ta mention yer wax.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 01:20 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/04/06/rcmp-seizes-marijuana-tweed_n_5100844.html

Sorry... linkmaker keeps screwing up. Or, Huff Post which has been acting rather oddly here in Canuckistan since they strted reported the terrible crap our PM has been doing lately. Paranoid you ask? Yeah, you would be too if you lived here.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: maeve
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 01:29 PM

Gnu's link blickified: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/04/06/rcmp-seizes-marijuana-tweed_n_5100844.html

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 03:11 PM

michealr, the plural of anecdote is not data.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: michaelr
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 03:50 PM

Huh?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 08:49 AM

Is it diss?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 05:46 PM

The facts are coming in.
One of Mudcat's most pro-pot Colorado members died with a befuddeled brain

She could have contributed so much more...but a wiccan path determined much lw=ess.

A Colorado college student dies from a THC cookie.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25475533/denver-coroner-man-fell-death-after-eating-marijuana


Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Go an do likewise. I REALLY hope you partake.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 04:16 PM

Hahahaa... fuck yer an idiot.

I finally got thru the reams of info at Health Canada. Also did a lot of other research. I am gonna ask my doc for the prescription so that I can then talk to a specially trained RN and ask her specific questions. If the RN can answer them to my liking, I will consider trying it on a trial basis. I don't like what the arthritis doc and my doc wanna give me and I refused 4 medications. Yeah.... I am in constant pain and will die "ten years" earlier but that's MY choice.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Bert
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 04:39 PM

It works for nausea and also insomnia.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Bert
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 04:43 PM

When they make it into suppositories we can give one to Gutterspout and tell him where to shove it.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 06:29 PM

Yes, Bert. That plus a number of other ailments, according to the Health Canada website (tho it's sketchy at times??? - kinda like the Bible tells you one thing here and another thing there) and the hundred or so other websites I have been to... tho, many of those don't support their claims with peer reviewed research so I put little stock in them. I'd say there are only about 20 of the sites I have visited that I feel comfortable trusting. Most are... "My uncle cured his cancer with 5 doses of hemp oil..." or some such. Bullshit. If I see it in a peer reviewed medical journal, fine. Otherwise, it wastes my time.

In the end, I am willing to proceed with getting the prescription and then getting more questions answered before I actually decide to try it. I think (hope) my doc will say yes. Fer gosh sakes, I have refused to take a lot of meds that have been prescribed for me over the years just on face value. I still have four pain killer containers that I never took any of after 4 separate operations. 'Temporary severe pain' doesn't phase me. I just ignore it. But, this chronic pain that 'they' prescribe pharmos for is getting me down after 4 years of it because I refuse to take them. I figure the Mary Jane is 'natural' and I wanna go one step further to see if it might help without hindering. If yes, great. If no, I'll just not bother with it at all. I'll just learn to hurt 24/7/365. Heck, I have been doing for about 5 years and I ain't gonna live that much longer so.... so what?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 09:28 PM

If you do take it, I hope it works for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: bbc
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 02:10 AM

Have a friend who finds it effective for vertigo, which may be brought on or aggravated by stress.

bbc

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 07:41 AM

Well, I am damn aggravated but still kinda vertical. >;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 09:41 AM

Change spark plugs on Pluto (very good)

Are you talking about the planetoid Pluto, or about Mickey Mouse's dog? Performing a spark plug change on either would require extreme alteration of one's state of consciousness, but the exact nature of that change would be totally different for each of the two operations. Working on the demoted former planet would require an extensive journey into outer space, whereas working on the Disney dog would require entering a cartoon universe a la Who Framed Roger Rabbit?. The two processes require equally strong but very different strains of pot.

I suppose asking why either would require a spark plug change begs the question, doesn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 09:48 AM

There are many doctors who probably will not prescribe this as it is not proven to be effective. Also, there has been no research into side effects, placebo effect or what ailments it actually relieves.
Far more work needs to be done in order for medical doctors to feel comfortable in prescibing it for patients. At least. that is what I have learned from reading about it and talking to doctors.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Bert
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 09:51 AM

Sorry to hear that you are in pain gnu. Give it a try, it is pretty harmless stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 02:14 PM

HiLo... check out the Health Canada website and read the reams of research done around the world. I have, for about 5 months. I was triggered to do so when the Canuck government announced the new regulations. My reasoning is that thinks it's 'good', know it's good or wanna make $ off it. If it's $, it can't do any harm, right? Oh, yeah, booze and smokes. Definitely a consideration. I must add, as I said in the fracking thread, don't ask me to post all of the links... if ya wanna educate yourself, do so.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 09:29 PM

BWL, great to see you post. Trust you're well and making music.

The Pluto thing: It is usually used in a construct such as "Two tokes and I was changing spark plugs on Pluto." Obviously hyperbole, because most the smokers I know prefer to keep their consumption down to a single toke which gets them to Saturn where they change tires on the old Indian motorcycles or '67 Mustangs that got trapped in the rings.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 01:05 AM

Works for me!

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: meself
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 01:22 AM

I don't get it, gnu - you've always come on like a regular Maritime guy - and you're saying you can't for the life of you find a puff? I don't believe it. If you don't have any friends that indulge, take half an hour and go down to the nearest tavern - ask around - shouldn't take more than 5 or 10 minutes .... Then give the stuff a try - it ain't gonna kill yuh. If it helps with the pain, great, do it again. If it doesn't - end of story.

Someone I was close to used it for pain, when nothing else worked; found it worked well. However, said person had to stop for legal reasons having to do with the nature of person's employment.

Don't get what all the angst is about. (No need to explain, though).

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 06:21 AM

"However, said person had to stop for legal reasons having to do with the nature of person's employment." You got it. Even tho I am retired, I worked damn hard to get my Iron Ring and I don't wanna lose it.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 08:09 AM

I have educated myself rather a lot on this subject, including the Health Canada site/ All I was trying to say was that medical trials have not been conducted to any great extent. Therefore, Doctors would find it hard to prescribe in terms of dosages and would likely hesitate to "guess" what is appropriate.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Crowhugger
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 02:19 PM

gnu, fwiw maybe keep in mind that no medication, no matter how well researched or how widely used, does what it's prescribed for 100% of the time or in 100% of users. A lot of percentages are (IMO) foolishly low - 20% or 30% of patients benefit, or fewer - yet these drugs get approved and become widely used on a "give it a try" basis. So I figure, if you can get pot one way or another, why not just try it? Medications' intended effects & side effects also do vary depending whether ingested, injected or inhaled or contact-absorbed thru' skin or rectum, so maybe also try both eating and smoking. Heck, I guess one could even make a tea and try an enema if one wished to.
Point being: I love that you are going for peer reviewed research as your primary source of information. Far more useful than click-bait masquerading as information. Yet statistical likelihoods don't affect your pain level, so all that info is not as important as whether or not the substance helps YOU plus your choice whether or not you're willing to live with its trade-offs.
I know chronic pain all too well and hope you find a way to mitigate it that suits you.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 03:35 PM

Re the last two posts... yeah... that's what I have asked/said from the OP on. HiLo... did you read my post that said if I get the prescription I then get to investigate further with a trained RN before I decide to actually fill the prescription and proceed to see if there is a possibility of pot helping me? Maybe I didn't post that but I haven't been smoking dope yet so I can't imagine I didn't mention it due to lack of memory (that's on my list of questions as well). I would go back and review my posts but the World Cup is on and that limits my time eh? Argentina look sharp. Let's see what France does starting in about a half hour. Then, the Old English that some call Germans play USA tomorrow and I am salivating over that one.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Crowhugger
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 05:23 PM

Yes I did read everything before posting...perhaps I took your tone to be more negative than you felt. Anyhow no worries, it's just a hazard of the written word.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 01:35 PM

Well. I have gathered LOT of info and got a chance to talk to a doc (long time buddy) today and his response was almost shocking. He launched into a semi-tirade about the government and big pharma making money for something people can grow for free... all three times I spoke, when all I wanted to know was "Is it good for X, Y, and Z." I listened intently and nodded and agreed a lot. Then, I finally said, "Do you approve of it and do you think it would be good for me?" "Yes. Certainly." "So, if I finally decide I wanna try it after I get the info (by snail mail) from the various producers, you would fill out the forms?" "Yes, but I can't." ??? Apparently, the government, even though they have standard form requirements and regulations in place, has not set up a system to process the forms. So, I remarked that such seemed odd.

Here we go again. I'll try to put it in a nutshell. He said that the government has had SO many applications from potential producers that they have to find a way to keep the number of licences down so big pharma and the politicians make money from it. He was a very unhappy camper about the whole situation. So much so that he talked also about shale gas and the lumbering industry in total disgust.

We then both loaded up on cold (no tax) chicken wings... 20 for $10 bucks! Great price for a reward treat when my dieting goes well. I bought 60 for the freezer. Glad I don't have any pot yet. >;-)

Oh, I should mention. One of the producers I spoke with has a strain that is very low in THC and high in CBDs and that suits me because ya get a very slight buzz but more medicinal benefits... of course, the guy at customer service is a salesman so... Salesman's puffing? (Yeah, I meant to play that pun. Good shot, I think.)

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 03:36 PM

I now have info coming by email and snail mail from 8 licenced producers. This decision is not easy so I am covering all the bases.

I need one last question answered and I think it's the crux of the biscuit... can I drive an auto? If not, it's trash to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: michaelr
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 06:44 PM

You should never drive while under the influence.

That said, I do just fine...

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 09:39 AM

Hmmm. I suppose I will have a lot more questions after I get the info but FYI Canucks...

Email 2014.07.10 :

Hi Gary,

Health Canada is no longer involved in the registration process. The LP's are the companies who will now register you. We at Delta 9 would register you. You will no longer receive any paperwork from Health Canada.

I have attached a copy of our product catalogue for you to view at your convenience. The catalogue includes the strains we offer, their cannabinoid profile, the price as well the potential medical benefits and potential treatments for each strain.
If you have any other questions, let me know.

Sincerely,

Gillian Bridges
Delta 9 Bio-Tech Customer Care

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: meself
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 11:58 AM

Re: driving. Speaking to the world in general, I would say do not drive while under the influence of marijuana. Speaking to you as an individual, I would say, firstly, check around for research on the subject; beyond that, do a self-assessment: if after smoking/consuming marijuana, you feel euphoric effects, abnormal relaxation, distortion of perception - if things are pleasantly fuzzy or blurry -, and/or unusually-intense focus on specific things - music, the lights on the stereo, etc. - then, definitely, do not drive. If you have none of those effects, then ... well, you decide .....

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 11:58 AM

Got the info package from Tweed (Ontario). Good Lord! It's THICK.

Just the privacy policy was a half our read. The info for physicians is mostly from the Health Canada website but they have included their own research reviews for a number of specific diseases and ills, including chronic pain resulting from various diseases and that's what ails me.

Of course, I will still have questions for each producer after I review the material. This will also allow me to evaluate the medical staffs as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 01:49 PM

Good advice, meself. Fact is, I would only medicate after I was 'in for the day'. Say, mid afternoon. That is when my pain from the strain on my spine catches up to me and I just want to lay down again. I figure, at that time, if I gotta go anywhere by auto, it will be an emergency and I can call a cab. My question will be, "Can I drive between 6 AM and 2 PM?" Of course, I suppose they may not be able to answer and it may well come down to me actually assessing the situation as it unfolds... in other words... what you said.

Thanks.

BTW. Anyone got a belt, a bottle of whiskey and a hacksaw? I need my left leg amputated RFN! It's no good to me right now as I can barely sit let alone walk any distance.

Hmmm... I wonder if there is HST on that. Ya never know with the government eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 01:51 PM

Gnu, The Mayo Clinic has information on nearly all drugs, use and side effects.
The article on marijuana (pot) details all of the experimental results, sorted by the disorder or complaint.

Well-worth reading.
http://www.mayoclinic.org/drugs-supplements/marijuana/evidence/hrb-20059701

I use Arthrotec for joint pain (arthritis and osteoporosis). Works for me, but may not for everyone.
You can look that up on the Mayo Clinic site also.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 05:00 PM

Thanks, Q but, no thanks. I read up on it and it says I must not be pregnant nor get pregnant. >;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Bert
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 12:32 AM

I know this young lady who was on conventional anti nausea medication for her first pregnancy and she lost the baby.

The next time, a certain Grandparent suggested a puff or two to control the nausea. It worked fine, and worked for the next one as well. She now has two healthy children due to pot. She would have had three if pot had been legal earlier.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 01:05 PM

Hehehee... I just saw a pic of my neck of the woods. There are Purple Loosestrife plants in it. It's all over the place and it's a nasty plant that chokes the other plants and our wetlands. My old man just loved ruses. When I was about 16, he told me it was Lambkill... pot. Man, was I sick. I did get high, tho. Like when a child tries tobacco for the first time and gets dizzy, gets a headache and throws up.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 09:36 AM

Refreshing... A lotta water under the bridge in the last 7 years.

I have switched almost entirely to medical weed, as the dispensaries here in Virginia (all pot legal to consume, own, and give, but only medical can be legally bought and sold) check, and list, all the chemicals involved, and I do not tolerate anything jazzy any more, because of anxiety.

I can look up strains of recreational but those are kinda guidelines. What is listed on the medical is more trustworthy.

What are y'all smoking these days?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gillymor
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 11:21 AM

I've been decarbolyzing dispensary flower and stuffing it into size "0" capsules or stirring it into yogurt so I'm not smoking as much. As with edibles it's a high that comes on slower and lasts about twice as long as toking depending on the THC content and the amount ingested. With this legal weed it's much easier to get the desired dosage and I seem to use about the same amount of pot as smoking.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 02:43 PM

I tried the legal edibles, from a dose of 5 [I think mg] to 60. No effect at all, at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 04:28 PM

Er, mods, it should be OK for someone to offer a cautionary note about medical advice or advocacy given here about unproven substances, which, you may not have noticed, are still illegal in many countries, including my own, for reasons some of us regard as valid. Cheers.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 07:50 PM

Why, did the mods delete a cautionary note?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 08:41 PM

I don't wish to discuss that necessarily. But I feel that any discussion of substances that have been illegal, or still are illegal in some places, or which have not been subjected to clinical trials, should be at least a little bit vulnerable to that small voice which says that you need to be cautious and not expect miracles. Marijuana has addled many a brain and stunted many a personality on this planet. Plenty of negatives really. Good luck to you if you indulge, but beware of enthusiastic advocacy from biased fellow users. That's all.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Jeri
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 09:45 PM

Mrzzy, they didn't.
There was a duplicate message deleted in 2014. There have been no other deletions from this thread.

I know weed works for some people. It mostly makes me somewhat dopey, a little paranoid, VERY hungry, and one time, I had some nice hallucinations for about 3 hours. (Seemed like that, but it could've been only one.)

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 10:05 PM

I won't argue, but I did post something that appeared in the thread (I checked) which then disappeared. Just sayin', and it doesn't matter. Move on.

Weed works for some people. Works how? And weed works badly for some people. As I said, advocacy (especially on this thread) comes from enthusiastic fellow-travellers. I won't go any further into the psychology of that as I'm not qualified. Let's just say that the more people who are on board with a notion, the easier it is to make that notion fly. There's comfort in numbers, and big numbers help you to avoid obstinate facts. Which is how Trump will be re-elected, for example.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 31 Dec 21 - 10:15 PM

This thread is about legal, medically prescribed weed. All discussion of Well weed isn't legal where I am is moot.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jan 22 - 07:24 AM

It isn't necessarily a discussion of weed that has been subjected to the same kinds of rigorous clinical trials required for other "medicines" (I note that "medicine" is a helpful replacement word for "drug...") though, is it, Mrrzy?

Where I stand on this is that it should not be the state's business if I wish to sow seeds of any crop, or collect mushrooms from the wild, that I want exclusively for my personal use. I'm allowed to brew home-made beer and wine, but only for myself. To sell it on, I need a licence. Quite right. On the federal level, marijuana is illegal. A minority of your states allow its recreational use. Another minority of your states disallow its medicinal use. Not a great picture, is it? Let's face it. Claiming medical benefits might just be an excuse for some people to use weed to get high. For nearly all the conditions that have been claimed can be helped by dope there are mainstream medicines that are clinically proven to be efficacious. In the UK, "clinically proven" means something...

As I said, cannabis has addled many a brain. If I were king of the world I'd let you grow it and addle away.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gillymor
Date: 01 Jan 22 - 08:43 AM

Yep, Mrrzy, response to edibles varies widely from person to person. I'm fortunate that I get the desired result with a fairly small dose, about 10 mg of decarbed weed with 16-19% THC levels.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Jan 22 - 09:56 AM

Terpenes, baby.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Charmion
Date: 01 Jan 22 - 10:12 AM

In Canada, cannabis in its many consumable forms has the same legal status as beverage alcohol, which has also addled many a brain.

I recently made my first visit to a cannabis store, where I met a lovely middle-aged woman who told me that she was required by law to limit her product advice to its recreational effects. I have asthma, so I don’t smoke it, but I’m learning to use CBD oil as a sleep aid, and I’m planning to start adding weed to my favourite cookie recipe.

The stand-out advice I received was to avoid mixing cannabis with alcohol as that combination can promote anxiety in some people, and, in extreme cases, paranoia.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Jan 22 - 11:16 AM

Some people think CBD oil is psychoactive. It's not. Some CBD oil has a very minimal amount of THC. For some conditions, THC is necessary to relieve symptoms, and doesn't for others.

I thought CBD oil might help with some symptoms I have. I figured out it didn't when I couldn't tell if I'd had any.

Charmion, maybe adding alcohol and cannabis was my problem. Whatever caused it, it wasn't serious paranoia. I just was convinced everyone was talking about me, or laughing at me. Annoying, but I knew it was substance related when it was happening.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 01 Jan 22 - 11:41 AM

Yes it has, Charmion. And tobacco has killed many people, and don't get me started on the hydrogenating of cheap oils. Not a great argument for legalising another potentially harmful substance, though, it it? I wonder whether Sir Walter would have got his baccy past the authorities had its carcinogenic nature been known at the time. We should have learned enough by now about how to test stuff for harmful effects before letting even more genies out of the lamp. A small irony noted in this thread: at least one person who's a dope enthusiast (cannabis, a largely untested substance for medical efficacy in clinical trials, remember) is also a coronavirus vaccine doubter (yep, those jabs that are currently saving hundreds of thousands of lives after being passed by properly conducted clinical trials).

As I said, I think that anyone should have the right to grow plants from seeds and use the crop for their own personal use. If you know where magic mushrooms grow, great, it should be your right to collect them and abuse them at will (on yourself only). Remember that it's capitalism wot ruthlessly pushes booze, tobacco, unsustainable palm oil, fossil fuels and vicious neonicotinoid insecticides at us. Capitalism will promote the worst kinds of behaviour until the rest of us sit up and notice and start to squeal and chain ourselves to railings. 'Twas ever thus. Make dope legal, the same thing will happen. Grow it for yourself, great in my book. Commercialise it and we add one more source of ill-health to the world.

By the way, if look up genuine scientific sources which discuss the efficacy of cannabis and its products, you'll find precious few scientifically-confirmed benefits. Practically none. We are hardly out of the realms of witch-doctors and snake oil purveyors. Watch out for seeking out good old confirmation bias, weed enthusiasts!

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Donuel
Date: 02 Jan 22 - 12:21 PM

If you were King of the world, the world revolution would be against you by morning.
For all those acquainted with epillepsy who are aware of the advantages of CBD - good for you and the kids.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 02 Jan 22 - 12:36 PM

The evidence for that is incredibly slight and for very limited circumstances only. There are plenty of clinically-trialled, mainstream medications that are way above CBD in the epilepsy pecking order. I won't respond to the rest of the idiocy in that post.

What I strongly suspect from some of the posts in this thread is that there are people who like using cannabis for recreational use who are trying valiantly to legitimise it (and themselves) by claiming medical efficacy on top. For any serious condition I have or have had, my resort is to mainstream, trialled medicines. My wife was involved in two back-to-back clinical trials for two drugs aimed at preventing breast cancer. Two back-to-back, five-year trials and long-term monitoring thereafter. Both were double-blind trials which involved thousands of women. That's how it's done and how it should be done. Any claims here as to the efficacy of cannabis or its extracts simply can't hold a candle to that. Which is not to say that there isn't something in them. That isn't what I'm saying.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Jan 22 - 11:20 PM

What you don't know about drug research and efficacy trials is lot. For childhood epilepsy that has nearly ceaseless seizures the CBD treatments are a virtual curative. It is far better than removing a segment of brain tissue imo. I have known a friend to have lost brain tissue the equivalent of the mass of an orange. She was featured on 60 minutes. We are in an era that cutting is legal but CBD is not. Thankfully that issue is improving. If you reserved your invectives to those you actually know you would quickly learn you should know better.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Jan 22 - 04:06 AM

Stating the facts in a calm manner is not invective, and it's disappointing that you appear unable to address what I say without including a personal attack. Your claims for the efficacy of CBD for epilepsy are plain wrong. Here are the facts that have been obtained from UK research. One drug containing pure CBD has been licensed here for two serious and very rare forms of childhood epilepsy. In those cases, seizures are reduced in one person in eight who use this medicine. They are prescribed it only after other medicines have not worked very well. Seizures are eliminated in fewer than one person in 150. Serious side-effects occur in one person in three.

Hope this helps.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Jan 22 - 06:48 AM

Man, this narc is really harshing my buzz.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Jan 22 - 08:25 AM

Keto works for epilepsy too...

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jan 22 - 08:29 AM

CBD is in the drug stores here for years. Its not a panacea nor is it claimed to be. THC is defended as much as spectrum alcoholics defend their alcohol. (said in a calm manner)
As long as they both know when to not drive I'm OK with it.
PS: UK wine is becoming better with global warming.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Jan 22 - 08:43 AM

" THC is defended as much as spectrum alcoholics defend their alcohol. (said in a calm manner)
As long as they both know when to not drive I'm OK with it."

Heartily agree, Donuel. I've seen a lot of bodies, lives and families destroyed by alcohol abuse but not by pot. Anecdotal for sure but experience is the final arbiter on how I live my life.

Now this thread has been dragged off topic, the question was "What are y'all smoking these days?"

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Jan 22 - 08:54 AM

There are too many barriers to obtain pot without inconveinience for me to buy any. But if there is a will there is a way. I just don't have the will. 20 years ago my half sister had an Army prescription for pot when she was terminal.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gillymor
Date: 04 Jan 22 - 09:02 AM

I still have friends and family up there in Maryland and they tell me it's pretty easy to get a scrip for MM.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 10:55 AM

Horatio there are things that will get you higher than Heaven or Earth but not everyone has access to medical research substances. Pot has the advantage of having little addictive qualities but endorphins can put ayahuaesca in the shade if you know what I mean. Yes you can make your own but so does the animal world. Due to budget restrictions one can't get Dolphin endorphins but Rhesus or Baboon endorphins are aplenty.
Euphoria, sex, strength, you name it, it gives a boost commensurate with Peruvian Marching powder on steroids.
Experiments to overcome depression and other ailments are the reason these exemplary natural substances have emerged.
They do not have the ineffable magical qualities of psychedelic mushrooms but well being to the power of ten is a road worth traveling.
It should be enough just knowing this stuff is out there but they are so good there is no denying that once taken they are easy to crave.

That reminds me genetically modified pigs that have no rejection genes are now used for pig heart transplants for humans. Also kidneys and other spare parts are on their way.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 11:07 AM

I heard an NPR report last week that suggested that CBD is within one percentage point equal with placebos in testing situations (for a particular type of pain). I'm not surprised.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 11:08 AM

Yeah, and dancing around a bonfire and sacrificing a chicken will cure your warts.

I'm a carnivore but I have serious issues with the ethics around genetically modifying animals then killing them for their body parts. I'm fine with killing animals that are a direct threat to humans or their crops, or for food, but, for me, that's as far as it goes.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 11:48 AM

Until you're so sick you're not eligible for a human heart transplant. The man who received this heart is on the cutting edge, just as the first mechanical artificial heart in 1982 (into Dr. Barney Clark, who lived just 112 days and moved the world light-years as far as transplant science goes). The Jarvik heart.

From an article here:

When you first approached Clark, he declined. Why was that? Barney was a tough old guy, and as a successful dentist knew something about medicine. I had him watch me put an artificial heart into a cow. He saw the cow wake up and walk around. I really wanted him to understand what he might be signing up for. Barney said ‘I have some problems that this cow doesn’t have—it’s healthy going into this, I’m not.” He decided not to go through with it. I admit, I was a bit disappointed but accepted his decision.

What changed his mind? He changed his mind on Thanksgiving. He was so sick that day that his son had to carry him to the head of the dinner table. Going to bed that night, he told his wife, he was going to go through with it. He explained to her, “I’ve been kept alive for the last four years through all kinds of medicine and therapies that other people have given their lives to inform me; now, it is my time to pay them back.” That comment has really stayed with me, especially as I went on to help other patients whose reasons for the operation were different. Barney’s reason was to contribute, to move science forward and to help others in the future. Once he made up his mind, he was quite determined to go through with it.

But we digress. Back to medical pot.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 12:07 PM

As I said, I have issues surrounding the ethics. I'm not saying I'm right. The US has been far more ready to accept genetic modification of plants and animals than we have. It's even caused the occasional spat...

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Jan 22 - 12:51 PM

There are members here whose family was helped by heart transplant.
The modified pig heart zenotransplantation took place in Baltimore and solved 2 rejection problems at once that even applied to human heart near matches.
Experiments have not yet included the pancreas, glands or womb.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 22 - 08:23 AM

There are already murmurings of outrage among the pig populations There was controversy when fetal pigs used to go to High School biology labs. With school closings they were just added to sausage.
But taking their hearts is a bridge too far. The anger has brought forth the Spartacus of Pork, a pancetta with a vendetta, a portly pissed off pig. Farmers and Doctors are in fear for their lives.

Speaking of Medical Mariquana https://www.forbes.com/sites/ajherrington/2022/01/11/study-finds-cannabis-compounds-prevent-infection-by-covid-19-virus/?sh=7a09

Willie Nelson, Seth Rogan and Snoop Dog remain uninfected.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Jan 22 - 08:34 AM

Mrrzy, you are more protected from Covid infection than you thought.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Thompson
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 05:51 AM

Met a dog walker yesterday whose dog had big lumpy joints: arthritis crippling him though he's only six. She said CBD (I think that's the right initials) was really helping him.
Joe Offer, could you suggest to your neighbour that he grow tall tomatoes with the other plants inside the rows?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 08:28 AM

Yeah, I saw that about canna get covid! Wonder which is stronger, that protection, or my higher risk because of bipolar.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 10:24 AM

Just don't hitch hike in a blizzard without a coat like my half bro.
CBD did nothing for my severed nerve pain. I use lidocaine.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Thompson
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 11:33 AM

Higher risk of Covid because of bipolar? Really? Catching it or getting a bad dose of it?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 12:09 PM

You'll get a bad dose of misformation if you adhere too closely to this thread...

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 05:05 PM

Bipolar and schizophrenia, with all other factor factored out, convey @ 2-3x the chance of dying if you catch it. Not true for other psychiatric disorders. No added chance of catching it on the first place.

Some are thinking of reclassifying bipolar as an autoimmune disease with psychiatric symptoms.

Too many sources for another blicky. Google scholar bipolar autoimmune, bipolar covid, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 06:07 PM

"Bipolar and schizophrenia, with all other factor factored out, convey @ 2-3x the chance of dying if you catch it. Not true for other psychiatric disorders. No added chance of catching it on the first place."

Again, in English?

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 07:16 PM

If you are bipolar or schizophrenic and catch covid, the chances of you dying are 2-3 times greater than if you aren't.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 07:59 PM

The jury is out regarding the causes of that. Homelessness, vaccine hesitancy, overcrowded housing conditions...and maybe some physiological or genetic differences. There's enough there, I think, to prioritise people with mental illnesses for the vaccine. If they'll take it...

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Jan 22 - 10:09 PM

Sometimes what you think is just an off the cuff bias of your own imagination. I make those kind of guesses too but reserve absolute judgement.
In the medical research field there is a remarkable amount of fudging the figures, plagerism and false claims - more often by older established members. Big Pharma pays huge dividends to winners when profit motives are the real goal. Losers can be winners based upon sales and not effectiveness in a lack of regulation enviornment.
Sometimes the easiest cheat is to steal research from a non english speaking country and just translate into English as one's own work.

Sometimes a cigar is a real cigar.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Jan 22 - 12:21 AM

No, Steve, that's just it. They have the data now to have factored all that in. Bipolar and schizophrenia - separately from all the stuff that goes along with being seriously mentally ill - are associated with a 2-3x higher covid mortality, as the scholarly articles to which I directed the thread say. No other serious mental illnesses, for example, show the same immune problems.

Like I said, bipolar has an autoimmune thing going on. I had no idea.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Jan 22 - 12:24 AM

As I had no idea that pot can protect you from infection in the first place. We are getting data on immunity out the wazoo. Pity the horse has already left the farm that neighbors the one whose barn door we're bolting...

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jan 22 - 04:45 AM

I'm pointing out that research on human reaction to substances must contend with a host of potential confounding factors, many of them environmental. In addition, the research must be undertaken according to the principles of science and of properly-conducted clinical trials. Keep us posted.

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 16 Jan 22 - 04:48 AM

The trouble with schizophrenia and covid is when both of you catch it.

DC

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 16 Jan 22 - 05:31 AM

Nice one, Doug, but I imagine you're thinking of ducking... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Jan 22 - 09:34 AM

When someone notices something new others don't, they are like a jack ass in a hail storm, they just have to stand there and take it until the storm passes.