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BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?

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Subject: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 07:22 AM

As Canada moves toward setting up a 'medical marijuana' farming/distribution system which will be heavily and strictly regulated (regulated = taxed), the contentious issue most important for me is that ill people will have to pay big $ (estimated to be $28k/y) whereas they were growing their own for near free. I understand the reasoning and I see an easy solution regarding cost to the patient but my purpose herein is to gather information from people who actually use medipot for ailments.

Have any readers used 'medipot' under prescription? For what ailments? Did it work for you? If you know personally anyone to which these questions apply and you know the answers, by all means, comment as/if appropriate.

Involved in the justification for licenced growers and charging big $ is the issue of producing pot with a consistent level of THC content. Also involved in this issue is the ability of growers being able to produce pot at various levels of TCH content in order to deliver a proper dosage for the ailment under treatment. My question regarding this aspect of medipot is simply… does it impair your ability to perform everyday tasks? Additionally, if it does affect any tasks, are you able to 'manage' dosage to circumvent any such problems. Does such management include amount; time of day; others?

Essentially, my curiosity boils down to: Does it work and, if so, for what ailments? Does it make ya loopy?


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 08:47 AM

Scotland has free prescriptions so I wouldn't have to pay for it but I REALLY hope I never get a condition that needs that stuff. I find it less fun than Largactil.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 09:47 AM

Involved in the justification for licenced growers and charging big $ is the issue of producing pot with a consistent level of THC content. Also involved in this issue is the ability of growers being able to produce pot at various levels of TCH content in order to deliver a proper dosage for the ailment under treatment.
Why the need for different levels of TCH content? If it's produced with a consistent level of TCH then adjusting the quantity will adjust the dose.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 10:39 AM

It is my understanding that producing a "consistent level" is like controlling a specific pattern in cat fur. Pot is not refined in an assembly line like chocolate or Scotch... it's just bred to a basic, approximate level and 'flavor'. There is, I believe, synthetic THC, but it's not the same as what Nature offers.

Perhaps someone who knows more can clarify...


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 12:42 PM

"There is, I believe, synthetic THC, but it's not the same as what Nature offers."

You believe correctly and no, it ain't.

Ever since amateur botanists were inspired by the work of Gregor Mendel, the THC content of marijuana has skyrocketed as it were. I suppose Madison Avenue could spin it so that color, hue, odor or lack of, affect the prices people would pay for what I will henceforth call grass becouse marijuana is a pain in the butt to type. But yer basic toker is interested in levels that have been described with precise scientific meanings:

Ranks up there with oregano (very bad)
Change spark plugs on Pluto (very good)

Expressions evolve and come to have meaning within the 'community' of grass smokers, wherever they may be:

One toke shit--which is often dependent for meaning on who says it but if said by a conizur--like wine conizures but different--carries more weight than if said by Shane in Blind River for example

Two toke shit--still good but not primo

Three toke shit--bake with it

Levels of THC in grass have risen in the past fifty/sixty years if the stuff my friends tell me has any truth to it. As a kid the top of the line stuff was Panama Red or Acaupolco Gold (just had to say it, not spell it) which was about 6% THC. Fast forward to these days and the percentage of THC has quadrupled. Using THC for pain management means taking what is 'right' for you and the condition you wish to ameliorate. People are different. However, I see little evidence of 'drug culture' associated with grass other than the aspect brought to it by governments.

There is a concern with which I agree: do not operate heavy machinery while under the influence. If I smoked I would adhere to that warning. For example, a friend told me that he almost starved to death because he didn't want to handle the silver fork to eat the Sara Lee Double Chocolate Pound Cake or something like that.

The misinformation that has been generated to do with grass is massive. Much of it is misinformation. Maybe the 'right' people aren't making a buck off it.

Is grass for everyone? Of course not. My very own mother may she rest in peace split a joint with a girl friend of hers back in 1970 or so. The story I heard was that the sent my brother off to get cigarettes and they ordered two barbecue chickens with all the trimmings from one of Montreal's best restaurants for that sort of thing: St Hubert. An hour later when he returned there was nothing left of the home delivery but chicken bones, clean chicken bones, sparkling clean chicken bones. My dear old mother may she rest in peace weighed 105 pounds when she was carrying a ten-pond bag of potatoes. She claimed the only effect grass had on her was that she got hungry. Her friend was finishing a one-quart strawberry milkshake and her answer was too garbled to print here. Well, maybe not. She said, "Bosherds drub glaxxaw bracklerst."

I find there usually isn't much point talking about it because most people don't want to hear about it. We cannot trust our governments on the issue, they having been complicit in spreading so much false information about it to begin with.

The red herring about needing to control THC content: Why? I know seasoned smokers who take a toke, wait two minutes and assess the situation. If they have forgot about the situation by then, well bingo, that's one toke shit and they don't take any after that. Someone with a higher tolerance might take another but you roll his body out of the way and if you're real nice put a pillow under his head.

From what I know it works for many people who have stresses caused by illness, pain caused by illness, etc. Hell, I recall that acupuncture was one step removed from voodoo only sixty years ago. I don't think they are bad people, and even if I did it's none of my business anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 02:10 PM

When I lived in Wichita. the 'toke of desperation' was "Kansas City sore-throat" harvested wild from river banks. I had VERY few experiences to judge by... but one party had both 'electric' and 'acoustic' brownies. I had the good stuff before I grokked the difference.

One musician I knew grew his own, called "Benton silo" after the town and the growing situation. It was treated like old brandy by the locals... passed around on special occasions with reverent whispers. I never was offered any. The one and only time I ever partook openly was at the Smithsonian Folk Festival in 1973? I think.... people were passing it up & down the rows, while mounted D.C. cops rode past, ignoring the fragrant clouds.

Medical? I dunno... never needed it myself, but keeping the thread up to the top...


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 05:02 PM

Excellent commentary guest.

I sincerely hope there is a concerted effort among the medical community and Health Canada to gather 'performance evaluations' of all aspects of this endeavour (grand experiment?). Indeed, the newspaper articles quote experts from the government and Big Pot saying there will be a tremendous increase in the number of prescriptions. We are talking in the hundreds of thousands. I read the Health Canada info for MDs (here) but only on a speed- read basis. Many studies abound from various countries but the sheer volume of it precludes me doing little more than trusting Health Canada, Medicos and researchers.

On the surface, it seems that my ailment(s) might benefit from medipot but I am going to need convincing over time by both positive 'performance evaluations' as mentioned above and patient testimony. As an example, I read as much as I could find about the medications proposed by my arthritis specialist doc, discussed in detail the procedures involved in monitoring their use and then asked the doc what the prognoses were if I didn't use them. He said, increasing pain and mobility degradation and ten years off my life. I slept on it and respectfully declined treatment. So, I am going to investigate weed over at least the next several months and hope it is something that may be a help.

Last toke I had was in April, 1980 at the convocation bash. Didn't have arthritis back then so I have no personal knowledge.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: michaelr
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 07:23 PM

There are loads of active (but not psychoactive) ingredients in pot besides THC. Strains are bred to boost different ingredients for different ailments. Some don't even get you high, but they are beneficent medicine.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 07:50 PM

Keep in mind it behaves for many people as an analgesic. The problem with pain is that it's your body's way of telling you something ain't right, so getting rid of it completely is a bad idea. Most narcotic drugs have side effects that are less desirable than the pains they mask.

I have not found that to be the case with grass. But there are things of which one should be aware.

If the grass as been treated with chemicals or other drugs it can be very unhealthy for you. So know thy dealer.

Don't talk about it because the government and news media has so demonized the substance that you'd be better off telling your neighbors and friends that you have joined the Church of Satan.

Most people who smoke don't want to talk about how good or bad the grass is. Think about it. You're with five people who smoke. One guy has to embellish on profound things he thought of while under the influence, cleverly disguised as new-to-the-speaker revelations: peanut butter sticks to the roof of the mouth; jujubes sure are good; why anchovies on pizza or icecream?; is this what they meant by the term recreational therapy?, and the latest discovery that 'wow' is darned near an acceptable answer for almost any remark or question.

You know not to drink and drive. Same holds true for grass. But think about that advice from people, mostly government people: yep, I just had two tokes of one toke shit and what I want to do most is operate heavy machinery, juggle with Aunt Mehitabel's crystal glasswear, finally figure out why the chain saw doesn't start first time every time, pet the pitbull who's been giving me dirty looks for weeks--government authorities call these irresponsible choices. Most smokers I know call then stupid ideas and please pass the strawberry jam which would go well with this peanut butter, banana and lettuce sandwich.

I mentioned earlier that smoking is not for everyone (my smoker friends told me all this stuff, btw), and it isn't. Don't smoke bad grass. And do look up the movie "Reefer Madness" because it just about sums up what most people know about the drug today. (Basically, government has swung so far trying to use fear and questionable facts that they have little credibility left.

Reefer Madness in on Youtube at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_jGAC77Tpg

It's worth a close look. It's also quite funny.

Last time I watched it in a movie theatre it was difficult to see the screen. Very hazy in the room.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 07:51 PM

Oops.

Oops.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST,RB
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 07:57 PM

2 toke shit ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 08:08 PM

Some moderator got rid of one of the oopses.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: bobad
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 08:35 PM

Our bodies produce an endogenous cannabinoid neurotransmitter called anandamide (from the Sanskrit "bliss" and amide)which binds to the same receptors as THC with similar effect. It plays a role in the regulation of feeding behavior, and the neural generation of motivation and pleasure.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 11:20 PM

Took the words right out of my mouth, bobad :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 03:38 AM

I share a driveway with a neighbor who has a medical marijuana prescription, so he's been trying to grow the stuff over the last five years of so. He's afraid of thievery, so he's trying to conceal his plots by erecting 8-foot fences around his property.
Kinda takes away from the rural beauty of the place, I think.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 06:26 AM

Though not germane to the OP except in perhaps an obvious way, my interest was generated by the fact that medipot has been increasingly reported in the local media for months and this rose to great heights last week due to the fact that on April 1 physicians were granted the ability to issue prescriptions. One recent newspaper article was so long that I had to put it down to get a second cup of tea.

In a nutshell, if the government (yeah, I know, I know) is going to allow medipot AND they can back it up with good science before and continuously during this grand experiment AND there is strong "anecdotal evidence"... I think it's at least worth a boo*. It certainly can't be worse than the pharmachemicals the arthritis specialist set out in my proposed treatment. First flag was when he said #2 would be tried first as it seems to have less drawbacks and that I would be strictly monitored, ie, blood test before and again after 2 weeks and again after 2 weeks and then monthly. I asked 'for how long'. The rest of my life. A heightened awareness was immediately instilled in me. Now, I always research anything prescribed but I read a LOT of info on these medications, twice, and took notes on second reading. Then came the consultation with the doc during which the gloom and doom message(s) noted above came to light. It is important to note that my decision to forego treatment is not based solely on facts cited herein but includes many considerations which apply only to my personal circumstances.

I have seen a significant advance in the pain and mobility departments since my decision a year and a half ago so maybe medipot is simply a pipe dream** but I'll continue my investigation for at least three months (I see my GP every three months).

Thanks for all contributions to this thread.

* Why yes, pun definitely intended.
** I am on a roll***.
*** Hat trick!


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Deckman
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 11:00 AM

I don't know if this contribution to the discussion will be helpful ... I hope it is. We just ten days ago lost a close friend to the ravages of A.L.S. He died a slow, painfull and horrible death. For over three years, he used medical pot for pain relief as well as emotional comfort. For him it worked. I can't tell you anything of the dosages, frequancy of use, etc. You might find this interesting ... this man was a medical doctor.

We live in the Seattle area where the voters have just legalized pot. In our friend's case though, he was obtaining before it became legal ... I know where or how.

... hope this helps ... bob(deckman)nelson


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 11:48 AM

"* Why yes, pun definitely intended.
** I am on a roll***.
*** Hat trick!"

May I ask, WHAT HAT TRICK?

* was boo
** was pipe dream

Good ones. BUT, wtf is ***?


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Crowhugger
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 01:21 PM

I think the gov't to force medipot users to buy product for quality control is beyond silly, based on ideology not logic. There is plenty of technology available to test for quantities of chemicals. If the goal of legislation were truly to serve the public, there would be a mechanism for self-growers to submit a batch sample for testing (or have someone come around and test it) to establish concentration and therefore dose.

As I understand it, MDs do not exactly write a true Rx for medipot because the product is not an approved drug, though the new system does change the doc's role. Previously they wrote a letter saying they'd discussed the matter with their patient and the patient states it help their [insert symptom(s) here]. Again as I understand it, under the new legislation, the doctor must actually state that medipot is an appropriate treatment for [insert symptom(s) here]. Since there is almost no scientific study, it'll be pretty tough for MDs to keep their licence and prescribe medipot in any but clearly terminal illnesses, and even then it'll be dodgy. So I expect new permits will be few and far between. Which all supports previous posts about the public impression of pot as only fit for criminal losers.

I don't really see why they didn't just place it under the "special permission" area of Health Canada where doctors can make a case for exceptions to be made to allow a drug to be used for other than its approved purpose. All they'd have to do is make a regulation (or law) that decriminalizes possession and growing where such permission has been granted. Most docs charge $0 to fill out that paperwork, though some charge for such stuff.

This gov't is entirely ideology driven and have axed science and statistics to make it difficult or expensive for anyone to confuse them with facts.

Personally, even a small amount has the effect on me of multiply pain 10-fold or more, such that the pain of a stiff neck that might be cured with a nice walk is made entirely incapacitating by consumption of any pot or THC derivative.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 05:50 PM

GUEST... boo... pipe dream... roll. Three = hat trick.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 09:39 AM

Thank you, gnu.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST,Mrrzy on another computer
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 02:03 PM

why anchovies on pizza or icecream?

I can think of why not anchovies on ice cream...


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 02:06 PM

Thanks Crowhugger. Dunno how I missed that. I ain't been smoking but baccy.

The only comment I can make on your comments is that the media reports state a forthcoming HUGE surge in medipot patients and there have been a number of BIG operations (16?) licenced to grow it, one of which is in the Moncton area. So, it seems to me the idea of it being limited to 'terminal' cases might be a rather strong statement at this time. Once again, allow me to harp on the same point(s)... I need to see strong evidence that it will help me and I need certain questions answered before I will consider it's use. You have provided evidence on a personal basis that I NEED to consider. So far, that's one vote 'nay' from a reliable source.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: michaelr
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 02:10 PM

Jeez, gnu, what "strong evidence" do you need? Roll up a fatter, burn it down, and see if you feel better. It ain't rocket surgery.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 06:57 AM

I don't have any and I wouldn't know where to get any and I wouldn't know how long I would have to use it or how much or... I assume these questions regarding dosage and time(ing) and such could be answered by the nurses (facilitators?) these growing companies employ to assess individual cases/needs. It's all quite vague, including cost, at present. Like I said, I'll be investigating the whole ball of wax (another one!) for at least 3 to 6 months.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 12:30 PM

Oh.. I forgot to mention something. It's illegal in these here parts to possess pot, boo, smoke, grass, ganja, reefer, weed, skunkweed, lambkill,... without a permit. Not ta mention yer wax.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 01:20 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/04/06/rcmp-seizes-marijuana-tweed_n_5100844.html

Sorry... linkmaker keeps screwing up. Or, Huff Post which has been acting rather oddly here in Canuckistan since they strted reported the terrible crap our PM has been doing lately. Paranoid you ask? Yeah, you would be too if you lived here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: maeve
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 01:29 PM

Gnu's link blickified: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/04/06/rcmp-seizes-marijuana-tweed_n_5100844.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 03:11 PM

michealr, the plural of anecdote is not data.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: michaelr
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 03:50 PM

Huh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 08:49 AM

Is it diss?


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 05:46 PM

The facts are coming in.
One of Mudcat's most pro-pot Colorado members died with a befuddeled brain

She could have contributed so much more...but a wiccan path determined much lw=ess.

A Colorado college student dies from a THC cookie.
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25475533/denver-coroner-man-fell-death-after-eating-marijuana


Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Go an do likewise. I REALLY hope you partake.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 04:16 PM

Hahahaa... fuck yer an idiot.

I finally got thru the reams of info at Health Canada. Also did a lot of other research. I am gonna ask my doc for the prescription so that I can then talk to a specially trained RN and ask her specific questions. If the RN can answer them to my liking, I will consider trying it on a trial basis. I don't like what the arthritis doc and my doc wanna give me and I refused 4 medications. Yeah.... I am in constant pain and will die "ten years" earlier but that's MY choice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Bert
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 04:39 PM

It works for nausea and also insomnia.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Bert
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 04:43 PM

When they make it into suppositories we can give one to Gutterspout and tell him where to shove it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 06:29 PM

Yes, Bert. That plus a number of other ailments, according to the Health Canada website (tho it's sketchy at times??? - kinda like the Bible tells you one thing here and another thing there) and the hundred or so other websites I have been to... tho, many of those don't support their claims with peer reviewed research so I put little stock in them. I'd say there are only about 20 of the sites I have visited that I feel comfortable trusting. Most are... "My uncle cured his cancer with 5 doses of hemp oil..." or some such. Bullshit. If I see it in a peer reviewed medical journal, fine. Otherwise, it wastes my time.

In the end, I am willing to proceed with getting the prescription and then getting more questions answered before I actually decide to try it. I think (hope) my doc will say yes. Fer gosh sakes, I have refused to take a lot of meds that have been prescribed for me over the years just on face value. I still have four pain killer containers that I never took any of after 4 separate operations. 'Temporary severe pain' doesn't phase me. I just ignore it. But, this chronic pain that 'they' prescribe pharmos for is getting me down after 4 years of it because I refuse to take them. I figure the Mary Jane is 'natural' and I wanna go one step further to see if it might help without hindering. If yes, great. If no, I'll just not bother with it at all. I'll just learn to hurt 24/7/365. Heck, I have been doing for about 5 years and I ain't gonna live that much longer so.... so what?


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 09:28 PM

If you do take it, I hope it works for you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: bbc
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 02:10 AM

Have a friend who finds it effective for vertigo, which may be brought on or aggravated by stress.

bbc


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 07:41 AM

Well, I am damn aggravated but still kinda vertical. >;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 09:41 AM

Change spark plugs on Pluto (very good)

Are you talking about the planetoid Pluto, or about Mickey Mouse's dog? Performing a spark plug change on either would require extreme alteration of one's state of consciousness, but the exact nature of that change would be totally different for each of the two operations. Working on the demoted former planet would require an extensive journey into outer space, whereas working on the Disney dog would require entering a cartoon universe a la Who Framed Roger Rabbit?. The two processes require equally strong but very different strains of pot.

I suppose asking why either would require a spark plug change begs the question, doesn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 09:48 AM

There are many doctors who probably will not prescribe this as it is not proven to be effective. Also, there has been no research into side effects, placebo effect or what ailments it actually relieves.
Far more work needs to be done in order for medical doctors to feel comfortable in prescibing it for patients. At least. that is what I have learned from reading about it and talking to doctors.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Bert
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 09:51 AM

Sorry to hear that you are in pain gnu. Give it a try, it is pretty harmless stuff.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 02:14 PM

HiLo... check out the Health Canada website and read the reams of research done around the world. I have, for about 5 months. I was triggered to do so when the Canuck government announced the new regulations. My reasoning is that thinks it's 'good', know it's good or wanna make $ off it. If it's $, it can't do any harm, right? Oh, yeah, booze and smokes. Definitely a consideration. I must add, as I said in the fracking thread, don't ask me to post all of the links... if ya wanna educate yourself, do so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 09:29 PM

BWL, great to see you post. Trust you're well and making music.

The Pluto thing: It is usually used in a construct such as "Two tokes and I was changing spark plugs on Pluto." Obviously hyperbole, because most the smokers I know prefer to keep their consumption down to a single toke which gets them to Saturn where they change tires on the old Indian motorcycles or '67 Mustangs that got trapped in the rings.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 01:05 AM

Works for me!


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: meself
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 01:22 AM

I don't get it, gnu - you've always come on like a regular Maritime guy - and you're saying you can't for the life of you find a puff? I don't believe it. If you don't have any friends that indulge, take half an hour and go down to the nearest tavern - ask around - shouldn't take more than 5 or 10 minutes .... Then give the stuff a try - it ain't gonna kill yuh. If it helps with the pain, great, do it again. If it doesn't - end of story.

Someone I was close to used it for pain, when nothing else worked; found it worked well. However, said person had to stop for legal reasons having to do with the nature of person's employment.

Don't get what all the angst is about. (No need to explain, though).


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 06:21 AM

"However, said person had to stop for legal reasons having to do with the nature of person's employment." You got it. Even tho I am retired, I worked damn hard to get my Iron Ring and I don't wanna lose it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 08:09 AM

I have educated myself rather a lot on this subject, including the Health Canada site/ All I was trying to say was that medical trials have not been conducted to any great extent. Therefore, Doctors would find it hard to prescribe in terms of dosages and would likely hesitate to "guess" what is appropriate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: Crowhugger
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 02:19 PM

gnu, fwiw maybe keep in mind that no medication, no matter how well researched or how widely used, does what it's prescribed for 100% of the time or in 100% of users. A lot of percentages are (IMO) foolishly low - 20% or 30% of patients benefit, or fewer - yet these drugs get approved and become widely used on a "give it a try" basis. So I figure, if you can get pot one way or another, why not just try it? Medications' intended effects & side effects also do vary depending whether ingested, injected or inhaled or contact-absorbed thru' skin or rectum, so maybe also try both eating and smoking. Heck, I guess one could even make a tea and try an enema if one wished to.
Point being: I love that you are going for peer reviewed research as your primary source of information. Far more useful than click-bait masquerading as information. Yet statistical likelihoods don't affect your pain level, so all that info is not as important as whether or not the substance helps YOU plus your choice whether or not you're willing to live with its trade-offs.
I know chronic pain all too well and hope you find a way to mitigate it that suits you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Who got medical pot? Work? For what?
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 03:35 PM

Re the last two posts... yeah... that's what I have asked/said from the OP on. HiLo... did you read my post that said if I get the prescription I then get to investigate further with a trained RN before I decide to actually fill the prescription and proceed to see if there is a possibility of pot helping me? Maybe I didn't post that but I haven't been smoking dope yet so I can't imagine I didn't mention it due to lack of memory (that's on my list of questions as well). I would go back and review my posts but the World Cup is on and that limits my time eh? Argentina look sharp. Let's see what France does starting in about a half hour. Then, the Old English that some call Germans play USA tomorrow and I am salivating over that one.


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