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Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor

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Subject: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST,Tina
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 08:07 AM

Has anyone had experience of this book?is it worth buying?


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 09:38 AM

Do you have the exact title, Dick?


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST,Dick Miles
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 02:46 PM

For the benefit of Tina.
Song Accompaniment for English Concertina

I have included in this book eleven of my own favourite songs, which have proved popular with audiences over the years, with accompaniments for 48 key treble English concertina, with three examples of contrasting styles for the same song, Adieu Sweet Lovely Nancy, Streams of Lovely Nancy, and Brigg Fair.

My reason for producing this book is to help people to develop ideas and their own style by showing the different techniques that I use, that they might learn initially by copying and then through listening to myself and others be able to analyse and develop their own individual styles.

I have tried to illustrate three fundamentally different approaches. 1. chordal style, 2. single line harmony, 3. melodic style, and occasionally examples that include more than one approach. These are of course not the only way, just my way, and I hope will be an inspiration to all to provide ideas so that you can develop your own style. How you accompany a song is of course a matter of taste, and what satisfies one person may annoy someone else.

This book is intended to be a follow up to the Concise English Concertina Tutor, and to be used in conjunction with it. I have included full verses to all the songs so it can be used as a song book as well. I have included a section on chord substitution which I hope may prove helpful. Between these two books I have included some sixteen songs.

I hope you enjoy them.

Contents
2. Introduction
3. Chord Substitution
5. Adieu Sweet Lovely Nancy
8. Rounding the Horn
10. Bogie's Bonny Belle
12. Brigg Fair
14. Greenland Whale Fisheries
16. The Greenwood Laddie
18. Home to the Haven
20. Sailortown
22. The Seeds of Love
24. The streams of Lovely Nancy
28. Though I live not where I love


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST,Tina
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 03:40 PM

Oh dear, not what I was looking for at all. but thanks for the info.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 03:41 PM

I love irony...


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST, Tommy irony, Tommy Steeles son
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 04:26 PM

A vast percentage of the human race is literally not wired neurologically to get irony. Well more than half of humanity takes life at face value, which is to me terrifying.
Douglas Coupland
People use irony as a defense mechanism.
David Byrne
I don't think I see the world in terms of stupid or clever, but in terms of being able to get irony. There's some awful statistic about only 20 per cent of Americans being able to understand irony.
Douglas Coupland


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 06:31 PM

A grenade exploded near my leg. Now my leg is very irony.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST,Your Mate
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 08:01 PM

Dicky

They are not taking you seriously!

Bit unfair really because your contribution to this thread is as lucid as I have ever known you.

Tina

What the hell did you expect?

You were addressing (perhaps inadvertantly) a minor meglomaniac.

Hey Ho


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Acme
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 12:14 AM

[sigh]


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: breezy
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 03:42 AM

spinach , red meat and water cress

is this an up me own rs plug

All those songs are best accapaella

48 buttons eh , must take a long time to get ready in the morning.

Good old Dick

Holst comes to mind

me at loughton Folk Club Thurs 15th May lovely melodeon player resident there


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST,DickMiles
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 05:30 AM

"All those songs are best accapaella"
Accapella, not accapaella.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST,Dictionary Owner
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 05:49 AM

Or even a cappella...


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 05:51 AM

Good try Breezy! Sadly, some people don't do humour! :-)


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 06:53 AM

Some people do humour, but find different things funny
Breezys Humour, Songs such as the song I heard him sing "I dont like Portuguese", I do not find funny.
Oscar Wilde was much wittier than Breezy, and possibly knew more about trad song than Breezy.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 09:22 AM

"Is your book worth buying?" - "Jeeze no; I wrote it so that I don't need to buy it!"


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST,CJ
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 10:34 AM

Well done Dick, good to see someone working to continue the tradition, despite the occasional stray dog pissing on your leg because you're a little different.

Don't let the bastards grind you down.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 01:56 PM

Two Dogs and a Vindictive bitch.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: r.padgett
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 12:56 PM

that is all unfair to Dick Miles, he was asked and he told people about his accompaniment Tutor

Ray


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 02:08 PM

Dick IS the opening poster.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 06 Apr 14 - 11:34 AM

Thanks for the write-up, Dick. I don't play concertina myself, but it sounds to me as if your book would be helpful for anyone who does.

I'd love to make a subtle but scathing comment about the people who attack any thread on actually making music.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST,Tina
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 10:58 AM

The charming thing about Dick Miles is he's produced a song accompaniment tutor and has drawn attention to it in his own way. Whether it was him at first or not is beside the point. Bullying is bullying.

How many Song Accompaniment Tutor books have you perfect formed lovely and normal people produced? Or is it just some Bullying Slight Eccentric Tutors, maybe?


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: johncharles
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 11:18 AM

It is important to know who is posting. If people used their membership name or a consistent guest name, none of this nonsense would happen.
john


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 11:44 AM

The problem is not with anonymity. It's with people pretending to be OTHER people so they can talk about, or to, themselves. Sock puppets. Dick's problem is that people who are familiar with him can see him doing it.

I hardly ever have posted as a guest. The last time was when I got a new phone and didn't have a cookie on it, but I "signed" the message. This is what I believe is right for ME, but I don't have a problem with anonymous folks just for being anonymous. It's people being manipulative I dislike.

It's a very difficult thing to promote one's self, and in this smallish world of folk, one really has to. Some people figure out how do so with honesty and grace, but it can't be easy.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: johncharles
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 11:56 AM

Jeri,I guess the only people that really know are the moderators. If what you say is true about people pretending I find it rather sad.
john.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 12:03 PM

John, I've seen very few people do it. I suspect they think "everyone else is doing it".


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 12:53 PM

It used to be common practice here to put something akin to "Shameless Self-Promotion" in the subject when individuals wanted to promote their work. Honest and up-front, and no-one seemed to object.

Unfortunately, the OP's artless (some might say 'deceitful') opening gambit laid him wide open to criticism and piss-taking, sad but that's how it goes.

Hopefully a lesson learned?


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 01:03 PM

I do not care what you like, Jeri.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: johncharles
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 01:32 PM

Jeri is honest enough to put his name to points he makes, unlike anonymous "guests". John


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 01:43 PM

Jeri is a woman. Do keep up.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST,matt milton
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 01:56 PM

I wonder if the "GUEST" who posted the above comment about Jeri being a woman is the same "GUEST" who described someone as being a "vindictive bitch"?

For all that one comment above suggested Dick Miles was being "bullied", I have to point out that the nastiest, most aggressive comment in this thread was the one calling someone a "vindictive bitch".


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: johncharles
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 01:58 PM

Guest, How would I know that from what is written on this thread. You for example could be either male or female. John.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Acme
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 02:10 PM

Different guests, matt. And johncharles, the "jeri" is a more feminine spelling vs. Jerry, if you think about it. Just like you probably wouldn't find a man with the spelling "Kris" over "Chris" (unless you're talking about Kringle).

Dick, why not try a heading of "shameless self-promotion" next time? It might keep some of the nonsense out of the thread.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 02:15 PM

Dick, are you posting as Tina? If so it's kind of creepy, especially since your book is a valuable product and doesn't need a phony shill out in the audience. A friend of mine who plays English never played chords or sang with his concertina (only played tunes) until I gave him this book and now we can't shut him up. It really broadened his horizons.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 02:18 PM

Cross posted with SRS. I guess that answered my question.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Jack Campin
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 02:34 PM

you probably wouldn't find a man with the spelling "Kris" over "Chris" (unless you're talking about Kringle).

The only people I've ever heard of who spell the name that way are Kris Kristofferson and Kris Drever. So I'd say the exact opposite.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST,Dick Miles
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 02:36 PM

I am glad the book is useful.
Gillymor,I have to say there is not much that is creepy here, there appear to be at least three different Tinas
definition of a concertina is an accident between two moving vehicles, according to my computer tracking technology, this is appropriate here, in fact I would say 3 moving vehicles.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST,Not KrisGoodbody
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 02:40 PM

Kris Goodbody (Ballycumber)
Vet
Get directions
Find nearby
Opening hours
Monday 09:00 - 12:00 14:00 - 18:00
The Barracks Main st Babody


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 02:46 PM

Kris Akabusi, British athlete.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 04:46 PM

Johncharles, I don't really mind the not-knowing of my gender. But you're telling GUEST you don't know their gender by what's in the thread, but I posted as a member, and it didn't make a difference. No matter to me, anyway.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Big Mick
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 05:54 PM

I'm with Jeri on this one. It is the deception used to manipulate that is troublesome. Just say you have a tutor to sell. A perfectly fine thing to do on Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: johncharles
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 07:02 PM

Sorry about that Jeri. I must remember to calm down before posting.

For those that may be interested; the following :
Book: Song Accompaniment for English Concertina a Tutor
32 Pages / A4 GBC-CombBind bound
Price: €23.50 incl.VAT and Delivery.
is available at:

http://www.dickmiles.com/p/my-shop.html
John


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: r.padgett
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 07:03 PM

O dear, so tina is Dick Miles is that correct?

Ray


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Acme
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 10:39 PM

There were several parties naming themselves "Tina." The nasty ones were not posted by Dick.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Jeri
Date: 08 Apr 14 - 06:47 AM

The "vindictive bitch" one, Stilly? For the record, I'm not vindictive.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 08 Apr 14 - 08:15 AM

Tina's first name is Concer, but among her many sisters are Argen, Autolat, Bet, Can, Chris, etc. Her pa is quite old.

If Mudcat made GUEST nicknames temporarily password protected (valid for, say, a month), at least this kind of abuse would be stopped completely and easily, which would be in the interest of all readers, not only of GUEST posters (who can be asked to become a member if they complain).

On the other hand, postings under several nicknames by single persons ("astroturfing") cannot be suppressed that easily, if at all. We must be careful not to be trapped.

Since self-promotion is not banned on Mudcat, it makes no sense to try to camouflage it. It is not an indication of quality if someone can mobilize two or three applauders - some of the worst amateurs have a lot more fans friends.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Jack Campin
Date: 08 Apr 14 - 08:34 AM

Dick posted about that tutor on TheSession, about a year ago (before he got banned long-term). The resulting thread was one of the very few over there where he didn't get flamed to a crisp - the responses were fairly positive. You'd think he might have learned something from that.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST,Kampervan
Date: 08 Apr 14 - 08:43 AM

Gosh, some people do get excited about the most mundane things!

By the way, has anyone ever used this tutor, and is it any good?

Kampervan (definitely not Dick Miles, I've never met him or spoken to him, no vested interest, although I did watch a YouTube video of him some years ago).)


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Musket
Date: 08 Apr 14 - 10:17 AM

Here Grishka. It wouldn't be the same concer who has been chatting me up in the BS threads would it?

I have been fantasising what she looks like in the pink and wrinkled, and trust me, she didn't look like, nor include, Dick.....


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Apr 14 - 12:03 PM

"Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Apr 14 - 01:56 PM

Two Dogs and a Vindictive bitch."
       No one was named in the above post, no names no pack drill.
Did anyone mention anybodys name? they did not.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Acme
Date: 08 Apr 14 - 12:37 PM

Who's on First?


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Apr 14 - 12:38 PM

In my opinion, what is troublesome is not the post but peoples response, why was it necessary for anyone to post this.
"Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 02:08 PM

Dick IS the opening poster."
If The Moderators have the ability to pinpoint posts coming from a computer, this was either a wild guess or someone who was informed, so that begs the question,why do it, why attempt to remove somebodys anonymity, when they have not at that point been troublesome.
the posting of this post "Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Apr 14 - 02:08 PM
That post is actually Inflammatory and was the start of the trouble. The moderators must know who posted that particular remark.
Mudcat does not state in its rules that anonymous guests can not post threads which are asking for feedback about their own work.
Here again is the original post, It is an attempt to get feedback about a book,
Subject: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST,Tina
Date: 03 Apr 14 - 08:07 AM

Has anyone had experience of this book? is it worth buying?
Why should the poster not be able to remain anonymous.
If the poster had given a web site and said this is a fantastic book, that would be shameless promotion. The original post encourages feedback, whether the feedback be positive or negative.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 08 Apr 14 - 12:57 PM

Musket, you seem to mistake Concer Tina for Concer Nered. (The latter is a well-established "nom de plume" for a lady whose probably true Mudcat and real-life identity has been exposed by Dave Gnome and others. She wrote that she knows you from folk clubs, presumably in Cornwall, so chances are that you have seen her as well, and even chatted with her. Although she proudly posed as a "troll" and rarely produced precise statements of criticism, some of her ranting was not without cause - about your contributions or those that appeared under "GUEST,Musket", faked by herself or someone else.)


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Apr 14 - 01:27 PM

The Tutor is boring, do not waste your money on it.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Apr 14 - 01:28 PM

I wonder why Dick Miles didn't post under his own user name (Good Soldier Schweik)between the 20th March and today.

GSS


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 08 Apr 14 - 02:25 PM

Cornwall?

Only been over the Tamar once on my life, and that was only as far as a customer in Polbathic...

The plot thickens.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: The Sandman
Date: 08 Apr 14 - 02:27 PM

Love is a hunger that burns in my soul
But you never notice the pain
Love is an anchor that won't let me go
I reach out to hold you but you push me away
And you always convince to stay

And I wonder why we hold on with tears in your eyes
And I wonder why we have to break down to make things alright
And I wonder why I can't seem to tell you goodbye
Yeah, I wonder why

I'm no angel with my selfish pride
But I love you more everyday
But love is an anger that builds up inside
As the tears of frustration roll down my face
Why does love always have to turn out this way

And I wonder why we hold on with tears in your eyes
And I wonder why we have to break down to just make things right
And I wonder why I can't seem to tell you goodbye
Oh, I wonder why

I don't want to fight again tonight
About the little things, please baby
I just want to find my way back to love
Oh, and I'll meet you there, baby

And I wonder why we hold on with tears in your eyes
And I wonder why, wonder why we have to break down
To just make things right
And I wonder why I can't seem to tell you goodbye
Oh baby, I wonder why and I wonder why

Yeah, I wonder why 'cause I wonder why, no baby
[Incomprehensible] about the little things
I wonder why, I wonder why, baby, I wonder why
I wonder why we'll hold on, I wonder why we'll hold on


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Apr 14 - 10:40 AM

Dick Miles can post any time he wants on the session,he can ask his partner who is a member,and she can post on his behalf he chooses not to, he chose to leave the session discussions.The way that he did this was to have a disagreement with the owner of the session in a private personal message, he knew this would lead to his being banned, he made that choice
But at any time my partner can post, if I wish to promote The Fastnet Maritime Festival june 13 15, my partner who is still a member, can do so
Jack Campin has also decided to leave.
I have some of explained this in a polite PM TO jack Campin.
However, I query the necessity for mentioning it, WHY mention it Jack, unless you bear me some malice or are feeling vindictive, it is irrelevant. here is JACKS POST
"Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Jack Campin - PM
Date: 08 Apr 14 - 08:34 AM

Dick posted about that tutor on TheSession, about a year ago (before he got banned long-term). The resulting thread was one of the very few over there where he didn't get flamed to a crisp - the responses were fairly positive. You'd think he might have learned something from that."
Jack your post does not make sense if the responses were positive, WHY should I have learned from that?
https://sites.google.com/site/thefastnetmaritimeandfolkfest/


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Apr 14 - 10:52 AM

Hey, Grishka! I don't recall exposing myself or anyone else for that matter :-) And I have never been to Cornwall either. Although I have seen Dick Miles and can confirm that his accompaniment is pretty damned good.

DtG


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Apr 14 - 02:48 PM

My partner is Cathy Cook, she is a member of the session, and at any time she can post if I wish to ask her, if I want to promote my festival.
I have no other partners on the session.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Apr 14 - 03:40 PM

Dick posted about that tutor on TheSession, about a year ago (before he got banned long-term). The resulting thread was one of the very few over there where he didn't get flamed to a crisp - the responses were fairly positive. You'd think he might have learned something from that.
Jack your post does not make sense if the responses were positive, WHY should I have learned from that?


Because on that occasion you didn't conceal your identity, and that was one reason why the responses were positive.

It doesn't look like you are actually capable of understanding why people might find lying about who you are to be a turn-off.

I like what I've seen of your accompaniment style and I could probably use it on the rare occasions when I sing (with either autoharp or accordion) but given fakery like you've tried here, I'm not likely to ever buy the book.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Apr 14 - 04:07 PM

When I decide to buy something, for example I bought a banjo book from Bob Clayton, a mudcat member, I decided to buy it because I thought it would be of use, I have never met Bob Clayton in person and I would not make any judgement about buying his book based upon interaction with him upon the internet, likewise a guitar book by Pierre Bensusan,
If you buy a concertina song accompaniment tutor for your autoharp because you like someones internet persona, Best of luck, but to me that is reminiscent of me buying a Harp Tutor for the Concertina, because I liked the authors internet persona, as They say in Yorkshire theres nowt so queer as folk.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 09 Apr 14 - 04:47 PM

Dave, I took one of your messages to that effect ("sweetums") - was I mistaken? As for Cornwall, that was my own guess (or presumption), now denied by Musket. Not really important to me, just because he mentioned it. In fact it is a no-no at Mudcat to leak private knowledge about others; I definitely do not want to encourage that.

My main point is that password protection would at least protect us against hijacked / faked nicknames.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Apr 14 - 04:51 PM

I'm only guessing, but I would have assumed that much of the content was about choice of chords. Which isn't going to be very different on concertina or autoharp (or guitar or piano or mandolin or...). I haven't seen any harmonic effect on your videos that couldn't be largely reproduced on other instruments.

Okay, maybe you don't bother discussing how to select and voice the right chord. In which case it's going to be a rather odd book.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Apr 14 - 05:44 PM

Jack, It is apparant you know nothing about the book. My whole point is the concertina is not the autoharp or the guitar or the accordion, from my own experience, I can tell you that the approach that I have on guitar and concertina are different, the guitar is a stringed instrument that can have sympathetic ringing, the concertina is a single reeded freereed instrument which in my opinion requires a considerably different approach, there is a small amount of similiarity but in my opinion it is quite small.
Jack you have illustrated on this thread that you have some previous prejudice against me, you appear to have come on to this thread with an agenda, you say you are only guessing, which suggests you know nothing about the book, you say you are not intrested in buying it, why are you bothering to keep talking about something you know nothing about[the book]and which you say you have no intention of buying, unless you are here purely to troll.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Bugsy
Date: 09 Apr 14 - 07:59 PM

I left the UK in 1972 and emigrated to Australia. Over the years I've hankered after the old Folk scen in England. However, since reading this, and other threads of this ilk, I don't think I do anymore.

CHeers

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Acme
Date: 09 Apr 14 - 09:25 PM

The music threads are supposed to be about music, not speculation about a person's motives, private life, family health history, or any number of the other things brought up in this thread. A lot of you seem to tag along behind Dick trying to out him at every turn. Give it a rest.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Apr 14 - 09:58 AM

Hi Bugsy,

For the record, what goes on in Mudcat is certainly NOT a reflection of the general folk scene in the UK.

The majority of people attending folk clubs have never heard of Mudcat and many of those that have would support the message in the above post from SRS.

Mudcat is frequently useful, often informative, sometimes amusing and too often a home to vindictive mud-slinging and name calling.

But hey, that's the joys of the electronic age.

Hope you get to visit one day and see for yourself.

Regards

K/van


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Vic Smith
Date: 10 Apr 14 - 11:24 AM

I left the UK in 1972 and emigrated to Australia. Over the years I've hankered after the old Folk scen in England. However, since reading this, and other threads of this ilk, I don't think I do anymore.

CHeers

Bugs


Funnily enough, Mudcat is much less full of the "vindictive mud-slinging and name calling" than it was five or even three years ago. Many enthusiasts that I know were driven away from Mudcat and on to places where there is much more sensible, insult-free discussion such as Folk 21 on Facebook by the attitudes that prevailed here.
There does remain on Mudcat, however, a hard-core of contributors whose determined point-scoring and unwillingness to listen to reasoned discussion often backed up with insults makes for a feeling of unpleasantness. You might think that they are doing irreparable harm to the British folk scene with these attitudes, but in fact they are a tiny and largely ignored minority in the what is overall a very friendly and supportive scene.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST,Your Mate
Date: 10 Apr 14 - 11:59 AM

Dickie's gone viral or is it verbal?

Just keep Yorkshire out of it - it's got nowt to do with thee!

But you can mention your booking at the Wilsons' club - that's in Co Durham.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Apr 14 - 09:00 PM

Thanks Vic and K/van for your comments. I've been a member of Mudcat since 1999 so I know how vindictive and spiteful some people can be and also how helpful, friendly and supportive others are.

With regard to visiting, I am coming to UK in September/October this year and am looking forward (time permitting)to visiting a couple for clubs and maybe doing a floor spot or two. I think that they'll have to be in the Herts or Suffolk area. I'm also looking forward to a pint or twelve of mild!

Cheers

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Bugsy
Date: 10 Apr 14 - 11:51 PM

That last GUEST post was me, by the way.

Mye computer keeps signing me out.

Cheers

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Apr 14 - 02:43 AM

If you are visiting Suffolk, there is a folk club at Bury St Edmunds, The Milkmaid, Bury also has the smallest pub in England, The Nutshell, Bury is also the home of one of Greene Kings Breweries.
I used to run a folk club there and know the town well, there is also The Everyman folk club in East Suffolk it is run by a Concertina maker.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Bugsy
Date: 11 Apr 14 - 05:22 AM

Not trying to hijack your thread here Dick, but I'll be based in Bungay for maybe a couple of weeks when in Suffolk and in Stevenage for a week or so when in Hertfordshire.

Cheers

Bugsy


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 11 Apr 14 - 05:43 AM

Herts brewers, Macs and Green King, do not do mild but Mac's AK is now called bitter but was mild.
We have music too.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Apr 14 - 05:48 AM

good folk club in Waltham Abbey, I played there about 18 month ago. mudcat member Billybob has a son who puts on folk events[I Think] in Bungay Beccles area.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: TheSnail
Date: 11 Apr 14 - 10:21 AM

Vic Smith
to places where there is much more sensible, insult-free discussion such as Folk 21 on Facebook

Really?


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Apr 14 - 10:51 AM

I just had a look at folk 21 on facebook, and as I scrolled down it seemed to be people advertising their gigs, I could not see much discussion, perhaps I was looking in the wrong place?


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Apr 14 - 12:23 PM

Here is my opinion of the book, it covers song accompaniment in more depth than any other English Concertina tutors I have come across,    However it only deals with MY approach to song accompaniment, not the approach of other players.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Vic Smith
Date: 11 Apr 14 - 02:14 PM

I just had a look at folk 21 on facebook, and as I scrolled down it seemed to be people advertising their gigs, I could not see much discussion, perhaps I was looking in the wrong place?

I think you must have been. Like you, I scrolled through all of Folk 21 for 2014 and could find not one advertised gig. There were mentions for their own "Regional Days and Showcases" which are different from ordinary gigs.

Didn't find anything that sounded anything like Kampervan's phrase of "vindictive mud-slinging and name calling." over their either, Bryan.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Apr 14 - 03:07 PM

I did not find any discussions, this is what i foundCreate Page
Folk 21 - Wazzup?
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This is a page for members and followers of the Folk21 initiative, where they can advertise their gigs, venues, and opportunities for other musicians.
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Here is the link to the Folk21 group on fb : https://www.facebook.com/groups/313050502151758/

If you aren't already a member of the F21 page and you are in anyway involved in the small venue guest booking folk music environment do come and join us there to share your ideas, thoughts and questions and enter the free wheeling debates !

This is what we are about :

1. Folk21 aspires to be the premiere organisation in the UK to represent the interests and views of folk, roots and acoustic guest booking clubs, venues and the artists they book. We are working actively to develop the existing spokesperson roles many of us already find ourselves in, for the benefit of the group, as well as the genre as a whole.

2. Folk 21 was set up to support and strengthen the network of folk clubs and venues and foster a sense of mutual cooperation in order to make all events attract bigger audiences for the benefit of everyone associated with the folk, roots and acoustic music scene. We want to elevate the public profile of the clubs and venues across the country and help them attract a broader audience, in terms of increasing attendance numbers as well as, and we feel very strongly about this, broadening the age range of the audience by encouraging younger audiences to attend the events in
addition to promoting the booking of the less experienced younger musicians who are performing or taking part.

3. We believe that the folk, roots and acoustic club and small venue network provides an essential and important cultural role in providing developmental opportunities and showcases for both established and emerging musicians.

4. We recognise that a variety of formats can and do exist within guest booking clubs/venues and that the format is entirely a matter for the organiser of an individual club. We accept that different clubs and venues run their evenings in different ways, from concert style to floor singers and guest style, in accordance to what they feel their audience prefer. We are happy to share ideas with existing movers and shakers and with anyone who wants to get involved. We hope that together we can help to generate and spread new ideas and boost the health and reputation of the folk, roots and acoustic club and small venue network as a whole.

5. We don't want to get into the "What is folk music" argument. There are other places to discuss that, and no real answer has ever satisfied everybody. We at Folk21 acknowledge and celebrate that there are many different influences within folk, roots and acoustic music. We believe the choice of guest artists is entirely the business of individual clubs.

We hope that all of our members support us in respect of the above points and to keep discussion positive and forward thinking. We encourage maximum cooperation and communication between all of us who are involved in the folk, roots and acoustic movement in the UK to ensure we have a thriving and strong folk club and small venue network.
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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Apr 14 - 03:09 PM

not much discussion, a few comments from jc bedford who i believe is a folk agent,these days, but not much discussion


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Vic Smith
Date: 11 Apr 14 - 03:37 PM

I am afraid that, once again, you are confused.

You wrote :-
I just had a look at folk 21 on facebook....

but you were not.....

You were confusing the discussion page Folk 21 at https://www.facebook.com/groups/313050502151758/?fref=ts

... with the listings page Folk 21 - Wazzup? at https://www.facebook.com/Folk21Wazzup


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 11 Apr 14 - 06:37 PM

Why am I on this thread? What does it tell me about the UK folk scene?


Anyway, while I am here: -

1. I am not interested in the threepenny bit. Only the very very best make it make a pleasing sound. Although it may be better than the piano or banjo.

2. Surely folk 21 is for artists and fans, not for folksong singers, innit?


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: TheSnail
Date: 11 Apr 14 - 07:38 PM

Didn't find anything that sounded anything like Kampervan's phrase of "vindictive mud-slinging and name calling." over their either, Bryan.

Not individually perhaps but folk club organisers in general can come in for a bit of a bashing.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Jack Campin
Date: 11 Apr 14 - 08:04 PM

I just googled "folk21" and got a couple of screenfuls of results all purporting to be it.

I can see why Dick got confused. Me too. I can't be bothered figuring out which of that bunch of independent websites, Wordpress blogs, subpages of portals, Facebook pages and whatnot is the one I really ought to be looking at if I want to find out what the organization is (if it is in fact an organization at all).

However it looks like it might be in Dick's financial interest to find out. I'm not making any money from this scene so I don't need to care.

Suggestion: start a folk21 Wikipedia page. Everybody knows what Wikipedia pages are for and how to read them.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: The Sandman
Date: 11 Apr 14 - 08:47 PM

JACK, like you I cant be bothered, I have had a good night playing music with friends in an irish pub,
sometimes I think about retiring from the english folk scene, I certainly havent made much money out of it, I have had a couple of broken relationhips/marriage, I suppose I just like playing in folk clubs and making music , it gives me aa chance to do a different repertoire from when i am in ireland ,and i suppose i love english trad songs, making money, if i wanted to make money I would have done something else.
I used to be a newsagent and i made money but it was so boring


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Vic Smith
Date: 12 Apr 14 - 04:57 AM

Richard wrote:-
" Surely folk 21 is for artists and fans, not for folksong singers, innit?"


Well, that is not what it states in the ABOUT section of their group page where, at the beginning, it states:-
This group/discussion board supports Folk21, an initiative which aims to help sustain and support a thriving "guest booking" folk club and small music venue network in the UK. The group is open to anyone - organisers, would-be organisers, artists, agents and fans - to discuss the issues facing folk clubs, exchange ideas, tips and advice, as we try to help build strong network for the future.


I don't follow Folk 21 that closely by my impression is that, overall, they are achieving those aims. I'd also be interested in what you see as the difference between artists and folk song singers unless this is some tongue-in-cheek comment that I am missing the point of.

About Folk 21 Bryan writes:-
"Not individually perhaps but folk club organisers in general can come in for a bit of a bashing."


There is certainly an element of truth in what you say, Bryan, but in a board that seems to have raising standards in the organisation of folk clubs as one of its aims, there is bound to be evaluation of where folk clubs are at, criticism of where things have gone wrong and suggestions of where things could be improved.
The alternative would be to imply that things are all fine and dandy in Folkclubland which you and I know is not the case.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Apr 14 - 08:16 AM

Correct, Vic, but in my opinion things have not been fine and dandy for many years, about 30, but the good clubs have survived, owing to the efforts of efficient volunteer amateurs, and a couple of clubs run by people who did it to make a commercial success have not.,and other clubs run by amateurs have closed, not necessarily because they were run badly. it could be and has been argued by some that all clubs have a limited life time.
constructive criticism is always useful, criticism that is not constructive and is made by someone with an agenda is something different.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Vic Smith
Date: 12 Apr 14 - 09:26 AM

Pretty much spot on, Dick, I think that I agree with everything you have written in the previous post. In fact, I'd like to develop what you say about the nature of criticism.
In my life as organiser and performer in folk music and - more importantly and frequently - in my decades in senior posts in special education, I worked out a thought process for dealing with comments and criticisms. I would ask myself a series of questions about each comment or criticism. They were:-

1] Can I do anything about this and still be faithful to the the aims and ethos of what I am engaged in?
2] Would it be possible to do anything about this comment or criticism within the powers that I am able to exercise?
3] Is there something ulterior behind this (or as Dick had implied, does it come from someone with an obvious agenda)?
4] Is the criticism valid?

Before taking any action, I would give myself the answer to 4] If I was sure that the answer was 'no' that would be the end of the matter.
If it was 'yes' then I would check that the answers to 1] and 2] were also 'yes'. Number 3] was always the trickiest to deal with (especially in education) and it often came down to a matter of clearly stating the reasons for my actions to line managers.

Of course, it works both ways. In my last ten years, part of my role in education was to visit schools and give them advice on their behaviour policies. I was also asked to act for a three-year period as a voluntary assessor for South-East Arts attending music concerts and projects that had ACE funding using their guidelines to assess whether the money was well spent. Before making comments or criticisms, I had to make sure that they were valid and that changes were feasible.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: The Sandman
Date: 12 Apr 14 - 08:25 PM

"1. I am not interested in the threepenny bit. Only the very very best make it make a pleasing sound. Although it may be better than the piano or banjo."Bring back The Philistines


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 05:35 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJPmk3kixeE
this might be helpful, this the sort of thing alf edwards used to do. I like to record these things because i often forget accompaniments if i dont play them for a while, so it is useful to me too, to have a recording.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: The Sandman
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 05:16 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlKZphms-Fo&list=UU-GtPNIEDLICv5yKnirJAPgthe good ship kangarooo tutorial


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Apr 14 - 08:09 PM

I've been to Cornwall. In fact, I live in it. The railway line into Cornwall, at Dawlish, was recently destroyed by big waves. As I understand it, the whole of England was temporarily cut off.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 03:45 AM

Steve have you posted to the wrong thread


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Apr 14 - 06:53 AM

Nah. There was a bit of Cornwall-inspired banter in this thread several days ago. I'm just slow, that's all.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Apr 14 - 02:12 AM

I am sorry but there are no Cornish songs in the book.


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST,Your Mate
Date: 15 Apr 14 - 06:53 PM

I should hope there are no corny songs in the book!

Now come on catters, here's a chance for Dickie to go virilant.

Will he make that magic hundred and die, eventually when his time comes, a happy man? (Or as near to happy as Dickie gets.)


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Apr 14 - 07:44 PM

98 not out, your mate sounds a bit like someone called Tom.teeside tom


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 06:49 AM

here is a recent tutorial on you tube
http://youtu.be/r0xFuEgOd3M


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 06:50 AM

100 sorry leadfingers


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Subject: RE: Dick Miles Song Accompaniment Tutor
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Apr 14 - 08:29 AM

100 sorry leadfingers
pickled 100 furry eyes
they stuck them in their stocking feet
and sold them off as pies


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