BS: Bundy ranch stand off

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Aug 14 - 10:54 AM

It's when the vultures start circling the Banty cock's at his most dangerous! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Musket
Date: 05 Aug 14 - 08:52 AM

Bantys do.

Jake Thackeray was spot on.

My brother used to keep them. You have to keep the cock out of the hen house or they never get any peace...

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Aug 14 - 03:43 AM

Oh, I think they understand 'horny'! :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Musket
Date: 05 Aug 14 - 03:31 AM

As this is about cattle, perhaps you should explain horny too...


This reminds me of a bloke who kept bantam chickens in a village where I used to live. They kept escaping and shitting all over the neighbours lawn. The neighbour eventually got (memory going here..) either a court order or a council order of some description to get him to keep them on his land.

Predictably, we all had a laugh in the pub when he declared he had nailed the order to the chicken shed but he wasn't certain they could read the bugger.

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 05 Aug 14 - 01:55 AM

Am I the only one who reads the thread title every time as, "Randy Bunch Stand-Off"? :-)

(note for the USA-ians: in UK-speak, "randy" = "horny").

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Aug 14 - 10:35 PM

The Lord is downright folksy, isn't he.

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Aug 14 - 02:25 PM

And the bats are on the wing..... these people are allowed to own firearms???

***

Rancher: Standoff with Feds a Spiritual Battle
Associated Press, August 4, 2014

ST. GEORGE, Utah (AP) — Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy claims the April confrontation between the federal government and his armed supporters was part of an age-old spiritual battle between good and evil.

Bundy, a Mormon, told an Independent American Party gathering in St. George, Utah, on Saturday that God provided him personal inspiration in the showdown over cattle in Bunkerville, Nevada, about 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas.

"The Lord told me ... if (the local sheriff doesn't) take away these arms from federal agents, we the people will have to face these arms in a civil war. The Lord said, 'This is your chance to straighten this thing up,'" Bundy said, according to The Spectrum of St. George (http://bit.ly/1pRx8nq ).

Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie has said Bundy crossed the line when he allowed states' rights supporters, including self-proclaimed militia members, onto his property to aim guns at police.

Bundy, a states' rights advocate, refuses to acknowledge federal authority on public lands.

Bundy said people from across the country rallied around him because they were "spiritually touched," and he suggested they would not have prevailed had God not been on their side.

"If the standoff with the Bundys was wrong, would the Lord have been with us?" he asked, noting no one was killed as tensions escalated. "Could those people that stood (with Bundy) without fear and went through that spiritual experience ... have done that without the Lord being there? No, they couldn't."

About 100 to 120 people attended Saturday's gathering, and Bundy questioned why more people were not present.

"Where is all of your college students? Where's our young and where's our old? Where's our black and where's our brown?" he asked. "Where are you people? Aren't you interested in freedom and liberty?"


Information from: The Spectrum, http://www.thespectrum.com

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Jun 14 - 09:37 AM

SALT LAKE CITY, June 12 (Reuters) - An advocacy group for public employees sued the Bureau of Land Management on Thursday, seeking documents detailing the agency's actions during an armed standoff with militia in a dispute over a Nevada rancher's grazing rights.................

.....PEER says it is a national group that works on behalf of public employees of local, state and national environmental agencies to ensure their fair treatment and safety.

Its attorneys are also asking the BLM to disclose a 2013 annual report which documents threats and attacks on agency workers. The report has been available every year since 1996, according to the lawsuit, but has yet to be published for 2013.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/12/cliven-bundy-standoff_n_5489562.html

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: GUEST,Guest (crashed Q)
Date: 30 May 14 - 03:19 PM

There are hungry lawyers who would take the case of this old crook.

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 May 14 - 12:54 AM

sheeeeh LadyJean, are you saying that a 'good' lawyer would have defended Bundy's right to graze his cattle on land that wasn't his, without paying for it? For 20 years? (That kind of thing is what gives a lawyer a bad name.)

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: LadyJean
Date: 30 May 14 - 12:14 AM

My sister, our father, our grandfathers, our great grandfather, our great uncle, our great great uncle and our cousin Miriam could all write Esquire after their names. Which in the USA means they were lawyers. (My sister still is.) Mr. Bundy should have hired a good attorney. I gather he could afford one, and I'm sure they have them in Nevada.

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: GUEST
Date: 29 May 14 - 01:26 PM

Just think of it as Occupy Nevada.

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 29 May 14 - 01:17 PM

and what the heck does state's rights have to do with federal land?!?

Federal land is um, let's see now... oh yeah, owned by the federal government in trust for the nation...

if you don't pay your rent you get evicted... if the rent is for a storage unit, they get to auction off the contents after due process. round up the cattle & off to auction with them...

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Greg F.
Date: 29 May 14 - 10:01 AM

Well now, there ya go again, Guest - Interjecting logic & fact into the discussion. We can't have that, ya know.....

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: GUEST
Date: 29 May 14 - 09:37 AM

I wonder why Bundy and his ilk think they are any different than an inner city drug gang. Group engages in unlawful behavior. Police show up to enforce the law and are met by criminals with guns. Would anyone complain about jack-booted thugs after a gun battle between police and a drug gang?

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: GUEST
Date: 29 May 14 - 08:09 AM

Cliven Bundy leaves GOP for 'Independent American Party'

By Associated Press / May 27, 2014

Cliven Bundy filled out paperwork for his new party registration at an event in Las Vegas that honored Cliven Bundy for what organizers called 'his courage in standing up for state sovereignty: states are sovereign and should not be 'commanded' by the Federal Government."

Bundy and his new terrorist group should review the section in their high school history texts on the Civil War.

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 May 14 - 04:39 PM

Actually, Frogprince, gnu's last post was ":These bastards in NB.ca need to go. And you won't get the news feeds I get locally from your major media so I shall withdraw from any explanations."

He was commenting on what he considered over-reaction of government "jack-booted thugs" in both cases - never said he still didn't admire Bundy and his "militia" buddies.

And PeeDee STILL thinks Bundy is a patriotic hero.

And by the way - this was all said over a month ago. You just catching up on your reading? Or did it just seem like a good idea to give me a jab in the ass & you had to dig around for an excuse??

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: frogprince
Date: 17 May 14 - 03:59 PM

"Well, it seems that the situation has become much more clear with some good investigative journalism I have read and I believe Bundy is, oh, what's the technical term? Oh, yeah... fucked. And for good reason, so it is said. I just hope nobody gets hurt.

Above, I mentioned jack booted thugs up the road from me... different situation altogether now that I understand the true story of Bundy."    Gnu's last post on the thread.

" So PeeDee, Gnu, & the rest of the pro-Bundyites: How did ya like your hero's comments on cotton pickin' nigras & etc?" Greg F.

Greg F., you have a remarkable gift for alienating people who largely agree with you. It would help a lot if you would just remember that the proper sequence is not "ready, shoot, aim."

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 May 14 - 06:26 AM

Bedlam Boys are bonny!

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 May 14 - 05:53 PM

Bundy-ite domestic terrorists to invade Washington:
**

Operation American Spring to hit D.C. to oust Obama, Biden, Boehner, Holder

A group of self-described revolutionary-style patriots with a million mobilized militia members are heading to downtown Washington, D.C., this week to bring a simple message to political leadership, from President Obama to House Speaker John Boehner: Get out.

They're called the Operation American Spring — and they're vowing to oust the likes of Mr. Obama, Mr. Boehner, Attorney General Eric Holder, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, Sen. Mitch McConnell, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi and Vice President Joseph R. Biden.

"We are calling for [their] removal … as a start toward constitutional restoration," said retired Army Col. Harry Riley, the leader of the group. "They have all abandoned the U.S. Constitution, are unworthy to be retained in a position that calls for servant status."

The aim of the group, too, is to influence those politicos who aren't targeted for ouster to "sponsor and pass very constitutionally crafted state legislation to dissolve the size, powers, scope and spending of the U.S. government by two-thirds," the media outlet reported.

The group expects between 10 million and 30 million similarly thinking Americans to meet them in the capital on Friday for a rally that's being billed as a sort of "Arab Spring" for Americans.

Meanwhile, the group is holding another event on the same day in Bunerkville, Nev., near cattle rancher Cliven Bundy's property and in support of his stand-off with the Bureau of Land Management over grazing fees.

The Friday event was promoted by Tea Party Nation.

Col. Riley said he hopes the event will go forward peaceably, but that so far, peaceful protests haven't brought citizens much luck. He also said that more than 1 million militia members have already mobilized for the event — and that projections of 10 million to attend aren't pie in the sky.

"For more than five years, 'we the people' have been writing, calling, faxing Congress, the media, screaming in town halls, marching, rallying, demonstrating, petitioning, all to no avail," he said, Raw Story reported. "Every branch of government looks at 'we the people' whom they have taken an oath to serve, as 'pests,' interfering with their political agenda, cramping their self-serving, greedy agendas. We have no faith in the ballot box any longer, as many believe this sacred secret box has been compromised.

© Copyright 2014 The Washington Times, LLC. Click here for reprint permission.

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 May 14 - 09:46 AM

Yet another bunch of slack-jawed morons who belong in jail:

Dozens of protesters ride in off-limits canyon
Associated Press May 11, 2014
By Martin Griffith and Brady McCombs

Dozens of people rode their ATVs and motorcycles on an off-limits trail in southern Utah in a protest against what the group calls the federal government's overreaching control of public lands.

San Juan County Sheriff Rick Eldredge said from 40 to 50 people, many of them waving American flags and some carrying weapons, drove about a mile down Recapture Canyon near Blanding Saturday and then turned around. Hundreds attended a rally at a nearby park before the protest.

Recapture Canyon is home to dwellings, artifacts and burials left behind by Ancestral Puebloans as many as 2,000 years ago before they mysteriously vanished.

The riders may have damaged artifacts and dwellings that "tell the story of the first farmers in the Four Corners region" of Utah, Arizona, New Mexico and Colorado, BLM Utah State Director Juan Palma said in a statement.

Some of Cliven Bundy's children and militia supporters also took part in the protest in Recapture Canyon. "This is where it's happening Saturday," Bundy backer Ryan Payne of Montana told the Las Vegas Sun. "This is a continuation of the Bundy affair."


Whole Article >Here

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Apr 14 - 12:15 PM

Sadly this old fool voiced the feelings of a lot of people in this country whose inclinations to hate and fear the government have been cultivated by right wing politicians (and their lackies in the press) in order to cobble together some kind of, any kind of, constituency.

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 26 Apr 14 - 10:31 AM

Sadly this old fool voiced the feelings of a lot of people in this country whose inclinations to hate and fear people different from themselves have been cultivated by right wing politicians (and their lackies in the press) in order to cobble together some kind of, any kind of, constituency.

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Jeri
Date: 25 Apr 14 - 11:23 AM

Here's Bundy on YouTube with 3+ minutes of ... crap.

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 25 Apr 14 - 11:09 AM

Yes, but we already knew that Greg.

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Apr 14 - 07:51 AM

Apparently, from the reactions & statements of Rand Paul, Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, Nevada State Assemblywoman Michele Fiore, Ted Cruz,Texas Governor Rick Perry and Herman Cain & etc &etc - Republicans and idiocy go together.

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Apr 14 - 10:47 PM

What amazes me is the shock and surprise of the people who have just caught on that the man is a racist nut case. Sad to say but scofflaws and idiocy go together.

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Apr 14 - 09:29 PM

An article in my local newspaper referred to Bundy as a "Welfare Queen." I'm sure people of Bundy's ilk would be appalled at single mothers with six kids supported by welfare checks (which are much harder to get than they used to be). But no doubt, they think nothing of millionaires who make megabucks from the government. Why should Bundy be able to pasture his cattle for free?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Apr 14 - 06:49 PM

So PeeDee, Gnu, & the rest of the pro-Bundyites: How did ya like your hero's comments on cotton pickin' nigras & etc?

What a guy, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 05:42 PM

And, more of Fearless Peedee who could have handled that mob of armed to the teeth "Soverign Citizens" and rounded up that 800 head of cattle all by himself.

What a load of crap he's selling.

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: pdq
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 02:57 PM

Here we have Fearless Fosdick trying to please the BLM chief's mommy...



more of Fearless

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: pdq
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 02:48 PM

There hasn't been such a disproportionate response since...


Fearless Fosdick

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 02:36 PM

Are there limits?

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 02:05 PM

No restrictions on long guns.

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Ed T
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 02:01 PM

"So wear that pearl-handled showpiece on your hip, but I think they make you check it when you visit a casino."

And, maybe in church-well, for those in the state who do that:)

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 01:59 PM

Nevada gun laws permit open carry...& etc

That's handguns, Q. I don't think it applies to long guns, on which there are virtually no restrictions.

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: GUEST,Mrr at work
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 01:46 PM

(Sorry, I read the thread as Randy Bunch Stand-Off...)

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 01:42 PM

Nevada gun laws permit open carry, except inside a vehicle, where the gun must be unloaded.

One does need a license for concealed carry, but not open carry.

So wear that pearl-handled showpiece on your hip, but I think they make you check it when you visit a casino.

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 01:40 PM

Oh yeah, Ed. AR15's R Us, no problam. Only thing you can't buy over the counter without a special license are fully automatic weapons (repeat fire as long as you hols the trigger back).

And in Nevada- and most other states you can purchase as many as you want, and an unlimited supply of ammo.

Thanks to the National Rifle Assassination these anti-government "patriot" and "militia" groups are well-armed.

Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky criticized the federal government's response, saying it "shouldn't violate the law" .

Uh, Rand, it was BUNDY that violated the law, not the Feds.

Guess Rand Paul doesn't recognize the federal government either.

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Ed T
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 01:11 PM

Wow, Greg F.
Are guns like the the one pictured legally allowed to be used in public spaces, in the USA, (and in Nevada)?

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 01:09 PM

The politics

Unsurprisingly, Bundy has become a political symbol.
Senate Majority Harry Reid, D-Nevada, called him a "domestic terrorist."
"These people who hold themselves out to be patriots are not," he said in Las Vegas.
Democratic Rep. Dina Titus told journalist John Ralston that Bundy is "not a folk hero," Ralston tweeted, but said Reid shouldn't call him a terrorist.
But libertarian-minded Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky criticized the federal government's response, saying it "shouldn't violate the law, nor should we have 48 federal agencies carrying weapons and having SWAT teams."

"Can everybody decide what the law is on their own? No, there has to be a legal process," he said on WHAS radio in Louisville. "But I think there is definitely a philosophic debate over who should own the land."

From

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/18/politics/nevada-bundy-ranch-land-rights/

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 12:58 PM

Ya figure folks couldn't read the title of the article for themselves, Q?

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 12:52 PM

New York Times column, Apr. 18, 2014
"Deadbeat on the Range."

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 12:50 PM

Now Here's the deal.....

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 09:01 AM

Reid calls Bundy supporters 'domestic terrorists:

And he's absolutely correct.

They're also, by taking up arms against the government, traitors and should be treated as such.

Slap Vanderboegh in jail for inciting treason and ditto Wayne LaPierre for giving aid and comfort to terrorists.

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 12:57 AM

Senator Harry Reid, Democrat of Nevada, will be awarded the 2014 "Incitement to Civil War" Trophy by Alabama citizen journalist and Second Amendment activist Mike Vanderboegh at a ceremony at the Cliven Bundy Ranch on Saturday, April 19, 2014. Vanderboegh, who with fellow writer David Codrea first broke the Fast and Furious scandal story in a series on the Internet in December 2010 and January 2011, is in Nevada to show support for the Bundy family and their struggle with the federal government.

Said Vanderboegh, "When Dirty Harry Reid tells us that 'This isn't over' and calls the Bundys and their supporters "'domestic terrorists' he is using -- literally -- the 'bully pulpit' to solicit the next American civil war. Reid is a corrupt bully and he understands that this struggle is not about tortoises or cows or even the vast spaces of the American west claimed by the federal government, it is about power, federal power to use naked state-sponsored terrorism to compel the American people to do what the perfumed princes of Harry Reid's Mandarin class insist is for their own good, even if it kills them."

"It was the misbehavior and jack-booted thuggery of the Bureau of Land Management run by Reid's toady that motivated people to come to the Bundys' defense. This is about two fundamentally different answers to this question: 'Does the government serve the people as the Founders intended, or will the people be servants of the government?' Harry Reid believes that the people should serve the government -- or else. For inciting the federal government into planning for another Waco, Reid more than deserves this award."

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Ed T
Date: 17 Apr 14 - 09:36 PM

Reid calls Bundy supporters 'domestic terrorists:

Reid 

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Apr 14 - 07:38 PM

Looks like a good plan. Bundy should lose his 160 acres for failure to pay for many years of illegal grazing. He does not own a viable ranch.

At this time, however, no one seems ready to buy energy from the proposed solar installation in Clark County.

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Songwronger
Date: 17 Apr 14 - 06:39 PM

http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wo/blm_library/tech_notes.Par.29872.File.dat/TN_444.pdf

That's a link to a BLM document posted last month. Talks about Solar Energy Zones. The Bundy ranch is one of the last remaining parcels of land needed to create a corridor for an SEZ. The document describes how people can be screwed out of their land using phony environmental practices. Just one of the corridors mentioned there is over 1400 square kilometers.

Subject: RE: BS: Bundy ranch stand off
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Apr 14 - 12:05 PM

Nevada should call out the National Guard to deal with opponents of the federal government who interfere forcibly with the BLM agency.
Bundy himself should be in a jail cell.