A boring place

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Ed T
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 04:31 PM

Gfs, nof trying to get into your dispute with others. However, I did not respond earlier to your Michael Glatze article.

While the Michael Glatze article you posted was interesting, if would hardly meet the rigour of a research test of any type. You have always seemed to be a fellow seeking truth through facts. One case hardly builds a solid case, one way or the other on one less than scientifically researched case.

Firstly, we don t know much about the fellow nor his actual motives.
My understanding is he was knce just as stong as an "in the limelight" advocate for the homosexual community, as he seems now to take the extreme opposite position- and, he is now again "in the limelight", as the "poster child" for those seeking one to hold one up high. This alone makes me question his character and reasoning. My understanding he has sought the movie route to document his to date (sexual orientation) life plight-again, this adds to my suspicion of his character and actual motives.

In addition, we don t really know whether he was/is a homosexual or a bisexual, at home with either sex.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 04:17 PM

to be honest Lizzie - at the time you were showering facebook with native American wisdom. I was living off credit cards, and few gigs in toilets and taking care of two very disabled people.

you simply cannot imagine how platitudinous and bloody offensive - these nuggets of wisdom sounded to someone in my situation - someone deep in battle with the facts of modern life -wondering why other people living and presumably taking advantages of all the goodies available in north America, felt they were above the din of battle.

I did try to hint you were getting on my tits - but you didn't take any of the hints. yes women have brains. so try and work out when you are pissing people off if there might be a possible reason.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 04:15 PM

Musket: "Are you still claiming you can cure homosexuality Goofus?"

Still making things up, eh?
You find and show me where I ever claimed that. You are referring to some of the bullshit Professor DF made up, while twisting, and re-phrasing posts....
...because if you can't, you are just another ideological bullshitter, like he is!!

Simple as that!

GfS

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 03:16 PM

Dave the Gnome: "He was either never homosexual or he is now in denial."

Or....Or.....Or.....which is it?

...and He WAS a homosexual...didn't you read the article from the NYT or Wikipedia???

As so far as your 'former advocate of reparative therapy'...you are an 'advocate' of homosexuality....but all that is just political....NOT FACTUAL!
I prefer sticking to FACTS...not political rhetoric.
Perhaps your 'advocate' should discuss it with Michael Glatze! He might learn a thing or two, instead of writing OPINION pieces, based on the latest person he talked to!!!(or maybe he just was pressured from another advocacy group....who knows?)..but he is flat out wrong...Oh, BTW, was he wrong then..or now???...You might want to check the reliability of your 'sources'....I do!(as witnessed by you!)

...and I'm not 'tarring' the Irish. Where did you come up with that bit of nonsense?

Repressed societies, as well as permissive societies, reflect that in the way they dance(among other manifestations).

Bíodh lá maith agat,

GfS

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 02:35 PM

Imaginary right wing dickhead? Nothing imaginary about Michael Glatze, GfS, but he is definitely a right wing dickhead. I knew about him a long time before you knew how to spell Google. He was either never homosexual or he is now in denial. You can no more go from being homosexual to being heterosexual than you can go the other way. You always are one or the other no matter how often you say you can 'cure' homosexuality.

As you are so fond of linking a single instance to 'prove' your case maybe you would like to read this article in which a former advocate of reparative therapy apologises to the gay community for his unproven claims.


Still no explanation for tarring the Irish as a repressed nation because of the way some of the dance yet? You really are a source of constant amusement :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 02:14 PM

Dave the Mutant Gnome: "Huh? What is there to get over? Some right wing dickhead decided that he was going to have a go at gay people and their lifestyle. No skin off my nose. Seems to be par for the course over there."

DtG: "I do not believe for one minute that some homosexuals decided to change their minds."

Then explain THIS!.....You should be thanking me!....or just stay uninformed! .....
..Or this, from your imaginary 'right wing dickhead'

DtG: "I do not believe for one minute that some homosexuals decided to change their minds."

Well, Seeing is believing.....except for the DELUSIONAL!

Now you know something you DIDN'T KNOW, or believe before!..Don't blame me...blame the jerk-offs who sold you a bad bill of goods!

GfS

P.S. We'll be awaiting your explanation...don't choke!

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 01:13 PM

Ye Gods! The Springer Page of MudCat.

Perhaps we can arrange some real-life mud-fighting somewhere.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 01:08 PM

You still haven't gotten over the 'ex-gay' activist link.

Huh? What is there to get over? Some right wing dickhead decided that he was going to have a go at gay people and their lifestyle. No skin off my nose. Seems to be par for the course over there.

Apologies for attributing the wrong quote to you. I should have known it was not you as it was written in English. But, it was a quote that you provided and I note that you still have nothing to say about the idiocy of using a dance style to brand a country as repressed.

I certainly agree with your last comment :-)

On the subject of idiocy, I think you may like this cartoon.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 12:37 PM

Dave the Mutant Gnome: "Did it ever occur to you that the Irish DID live in a repressed society??
No occurring required, GfS. I know they do. But that is not what you said. Your exact phrase, to save you looking it up, was -
"The mentality of the British Isles: suppress anything that isn't acceptable, and it will go away and life will be wonderful."

Did it ever occur to you that you must REALLY be desperate??....The quote you attributed to me, was actually from Joe Offer!!


From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Apr 14 - 05:54 PM

Joe Offer: "I said above - The mentality of the British Isles: suppress anything that isn't acceptable, and it will go away and life will be wonderful."

FROM:

From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Apr 14 - 05:31 PM

"I said above - The mentality of the British Isles: suppress anything that isn't acceptable, and it will go away and life will be wonderful."

Dave the Mutant Gnome: "I know they do. But that is not what you said. Your exact phrase, to save you looking it up, was -
"The mentality of the British Isles: suppress anything that isn't acceptable, and it will go away and life will be wonderful."

Good thing I DIDN'T Listen to you AGAIN...I DID look it up.

You still haven't gotten over the 'ex-gay' activist link.


Some people refuse to learn...some are intentionally ignorant....some, just plain stupid!

GfS

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 10:56 AM

You might "believe Keith to be a racist and a sectarian," but it is all in your head Jim.
I never have and never would make a statement that is either.

That is why you can only produce one 3 year old post which is neither of those things anyway.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 08:19 AM

"Go look at your posting history and see what I'm talking about."
Jeri
I am well aware of my posting history, and not particularly proud of it.
The only big-time, long-term conflicts I have had on this forum have been with Keith - I've had numerous arguments over music, but I regard that par for the course on a music forum.
I believe Keith to be a racist and a sectarian, and I believe that he has consistently manipulated this forum to propound his beliefs - and, it would appear, is still prepared to do so.
These are the two subjects I believe to be the greatest evil in society today, and I make no apology in arguing against them - put it down to a weakness in my upbringing, if you like.
If I thought that Keith's opinions in any way reflected the views of the majority of the members on this forum, I'd have gone like a shot from it long ago - plenty of better, more articulate sites than this to argue against, if I was into that sort of thing.
Keith appears to be virtually on his own in his racial and sectarian hatred - apart from a couple of casual voices in the background, dipping in then disappearing.
He regards those who oppose him as "muppets", arguing with us as "casting pearls before swine" and his own views as "infallible" (all traceable quotes)
He consistently makes outrageous statements which he later denies having made, then, when they are pointed out to him, he calls those who had the temerity to do so "liars" - if you want a perfect example of his doing this., resurrect the 'Irish Potato Blight' thread and look at his last postings.
He refuses to accept responsibility for his own views, reverting that they are somebody else's and he is "only the messenger" (ref to any of half-a-dozen threads, including this one.
He attempts to undermine arguments by claiming they are not valid "thread drift" or that his opponent's views are unimportant because they haven't been around long enough and things should be left in the hands of those who have - "things are better left as they are, or some such wording (this thread).
He has declared himself "infallible" on some of the subjects he has argued on (easily traceable")
His lack of support on thread after thread speaks for itself - he even faked a posting in his own support at one stage because he was getting none elsewhere - he was warned by the administrators for doing so, so he can hardly deny this.   
He dominates threads and harries them to death, time after time after time... go and count the number on which his the last name.
I value being on a forum where I can share ideas and knowledge with like-minded people, even when arguments get heated and sometimes abusive (I happily put my hand up to that one)
I very much enjoy the added privilege of being able to spread that discussion to other areas of interest I share with others.
I resent bitterly that right being vandalised by basically one individual, and if that becomes an indication of the political leanings off that Forum, I wish not to have my name associated with it - at present, I don't believe it is.
I have reported Keith for what I believe to be his unacceptable behaviour - he, you or anybody else is perfectly at liberty to take the same action against me.
If things remain as they are pour arguments will continue to destroy threads,as they have done so far.
I believe if Keith is allowed to continue to do what he is doing the BS section of Mudcat will become untenable and the members with have been deprived of a valuable privilege - I have no intention of standing by and letting it happen and I have no intention of being around when it does.
Yours
The "muppet", the "liar" and one off "the swine" before whom "pearls are cast".   
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 07:59 AM

Did it ever occur to you that the Irish DID live in a repressed society??

No occurring required, GfS. I know they do. But that is not what you said. Your exact phrase, to save you looking it up, was -

The mentality of the British Isles: suppress anything that isn't acceptable, and it will go away and life will be wonderful."

Yes, you can tell that by 'Step Dancing'...true story...the feet are going a mile a minute(or kilometer, if you prefer) but the head and shoulders remain rigid. This is indicative of a repressive society

The British Isles, for the record, is mainland Britain, the whole of Ireland and a host of other bits. Not to be confused with Great Britain, which does not include the south of Ireland. I know from past discussions that it is a difficult concept for some in the US but if you are going to start tarring peoples with the same brush you need to be clear who your targets are. Hope this helps. Besides, psycho-analysis based on dance styles is still a stupid concept. What would you make of these guys who are dancing out today not 20 miles from us? :-)


Ed - Yes, they are being super sensitive.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Ed T
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 07:02 AM

Let's suppose someone used a fake name on a web discussion forum. Then, let's say, that someone plays with the name, in in one way or another, the heat of a discussion.

Since it is not the posters real name, are they justified in being offended? Or, is that just being "super-sensitive"

A show of hands on this one, no recorded vote needed.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jeri
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 06:42 AM

Jim, you talk about rottweilers as if they were other people. You are one. There's a reason I think of certain threads as "The Keith and Jim Show", and while I once read your posts for your musical knowledge, I now mostly avoid them for the compulsive fighting with Keith. Go look at your posting history and see what I'm talking about.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 06:42 AM

Two more came up..........

Dave the Gnome: "Errrrrr, GfS, it isn't me trying to say that the British must be repressed because of the way the Irish dance."

Don't worry..if you said it, it must be whacked....Did it ever occur to you that the Irish DID live in a repressed society??.... Shit!... between the Church and Britain you'd HAVE to be fast on your feet while looking rigid!...and give the appearance of not having a great time!!
We use to just say, "Hey man, maintain."


Big Al Whittle: "back to the wigwam Lizzie - they'll be sending smoke signals behind your back. I know you're not paranoid, but that Old Nokomis is such a bitch,,,,,"


WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are being rude....while occupying their land!

GfS

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Musket
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 06:41 AM

Did you know Dave, that I am going to do some real name dropping?

I once tossed a coin with Sam Sherry to see who was to get the settee and who gets the floor at Mick Heywood's house, back when he lived Dewsbury way.

I won, but as he was an old man, I let him have the settee anyway.

(Batley Folk Festival, early '80s. Mick said the 5 star hotels weren't good enough for the performers and he had a better idea....)

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 06:28 AM

300!

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 06:27 AM

I'm tired of quoting you and being called a liar.

You've made promises before and walked away from them

"I am not going to argue with you again Jim, but I ask that when you accuse me of saying something, you produce the actual quote.
If you can support any of today's accusations with such a quote, I promise I will leave Mudcat.
Really leave."

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 06:21 AM

Musket: "Seems I have an OBE now. If Mudcat represented reality I'd probably be King too."

You must be Joe King!


Ed T: ""ln, 1492 Columbus discovered America from the Indians!...It was all Spain's fault!""
"While this statement "may or may not" be factually correct, Spain has room to explain its historic exploits and treatment of other humans in "the Americas". However, it does not leave other nations and some religions out for similar consideration."

True story...Did you know that on Columbus's 2nd voyage over, that all but 500 Cubans were slaughtered?....



Musket: So if I posted a letter in your local newspaper that all Catholics promote buggering altar boys and it is the duty of every catholic to defend their priests whilst encouraging their sexual frustration release, you'd read it and say I don't agree with it but if that's what you assess as the situation from the recent exposure, that's your view."

Did you know that when older men have sex with boys(same sex) that it IS a FORM of homosexuality??....If they do it with little girls, it's statutory rape?....and in either case, it is still pedophilia??



Jim Carroll: "One of the major problems of this forum, which has earned some of the threads on it the rightful description of "boring" is that a tiny number of rottweilers have attached themselves to a number of subjects; Israel, Muslims, Homosexuality, Ireland.... have taken each one of them over and ascertained that they cannot be discussed reasonably and democratically.
Discussion always starts with a reasonable input into the topic; people disagreeing with one another, but exchanging their views calmly and reasonably.
Then in come the guard-dogs and attach their vice-like grip on the topic until, one by one, everybody else walks away.
I was stupid enough to believe that rottweilers could be reasoned with; I think Muskie has fallen into the same trap - they really can't.
For them, it is about "winning" - and they are prepared to use any trick in the book to take home the glittering prizes."

Maybe...just maybe it's NOT about 'winning'...maybe it's about turning people(often stubborn idiots), onto the truth, instead of more hogwash political propaganda??



Musket: "Keith. Perhaps people of real faith will see your weird "it's Christians always being persecuted by "Islamists" and it might put a few off too eh?"

Why be always against the Christians??...and lean toward Islamists??..at least Christians have their differences with homosexuals, but Islamists will kill them immediately!...and Christians!...and YOU!!



Jim Carroll: "OH - Something I forgot - they usually qualify their position by disowning it and saying it was someone elses.
"and nothing to do with me."

Yeah!...It's ALWAYS THOSE OTHER GUYS, huh?



Big Al Whittle: "as for you Ake - wash your hands thoroughly after shaking hands, put some raw fruit in your porridge and put toilet paper round the seat, and don't give blow jobs to strangers...."

Damn it, Ake!!.....Big Al, knows its really patriotic and non-homophobic to 'give blow jobs to strangers'....what is wrong with you??....You should look to Al for inspiration!



Jim Carroll: "Oh - something else I forgot.
They persistently pot things, then deny they have posted them"

Methinks Ol' Jim would prefer that 'they' hash things out before potting them!



Keith A of Hertford: "I just point out accusations that are false.
Who would not defend themselves from such smears?"

Anyone who can't wipe very well!


Jim Carroll: "Then in come the guard-dogs and attach their vice-like grip on the topic until, one by one, everybody else walks away.
I was stupid enough to believe that rottweilers could be reasoned with; I think Muskie has fallen into the same trap - they really can't."

I bet that it hasn't occurred to you that maybe Ol' Muskie IS the trap!



Musket: "That's twice Akenaton has tried to slur the person behind Musket and my fitness for purpose for my professional life."

Quick Akenaton, you're slipping!...You're only 7,429 short of Musket..really DO try to keep up!



Big Mick: "To paraphrase: there are none so deaf as those who will not hear. There are none so ignorant as those who refuse to comprehend."

What did you mean??..Did I hear you correctly??



Musket: "Opinions tend to say that they don't want change or that gay marriage changes their perception of marriage or that promiscuity amongst men can provoke a higher risk of infection than between similar irresponsible behaviour between men and women. People can say that they don't understand gay feelings so have difficulty accepting the concept."

In other words,"Everybody go fuck someone....it won't hurt your feelings or health!!...or theirs...Ol' Muskie guarantees it!



Musket: "Oh Keith. I did say I was fucking important. No need to keep bringing it up. Perhaps you might bring up what I also said? I'm not important but I am fucking important.
There again, your obnoxious black and white waffle is based on face value. Hence I said it."

Quite self-explanatory!!!!


GfS, Chairman of the Bored

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 06:19 AM

"Do NOT fecking patronize me with your sexist 'humour'.."
Add "Ageist" to that for me will you Lizzie
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 06:17 AM

Ahh!..Dave the Gnome FAILED AGAIN!!!

Errrrrr, GfS, it isn't me trying to say that the British must be repressed because of the way the Irish dance. And I do know about clog stepping, being actually involved for a number of years. Clog stepping derives from step dancing. The clue is in the name. One of the greatest exponents, Sam Sherry, mentioned in the clip I linked, came from a Music Hall background where he, and his brothers, performed many types of dancing including soft shoe. I think if you try to psycho-analyse people based on how they dance you should at least know a bit about the dancing rather than just googling it.

DtG

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 06:16 AM

Oh - I forgot to add - before you said it
"More lies".
Just to save you the trouble
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 06:04 AM

I'm tired of quoting you and being called a liar
I'm tired of being told that you are nott resposible for your own statements because somebody else said them
I'm tired of being called anti-religious by someone who is a disgrace to Christianity.
I'm tired of being called an ant-Semite by Antitsemites who attribute the crimes of a terrorist state to "Jews"
I'm tired of bunch of extremists who take hold of subject after subject and strangle them to death with their extremism.
And I'm tired of being told that the opinions I hold are not valid because I don't live in Britain - or I am too old (take not Al) or I am "anti British or this that or the other - now that I am no longer a member, it would appear.
Your behaviour is destroying this forum and unless you are stopped you will have succeeded in silencing the voices of many people on it.
You've made promises before and walked away from them
I have no intention of entering another of your black holes - my position remains the same as it was yesterday.
Unless something is done about your totally irrational behaviour, I see no point in having anything to do with this forum - you are dragging it into your gutter.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 05:53 AM

"back to the wigwam Lizzie - they'll be sending smoke signals behind your back."


That is called total disrespect, Al, not just towards me, but to the Native Americans themselves, who are fighting so hard to bring respect to their culture and their People back.

You once even made a sexual comment about my standing beside them, can't recall exactly what it was now, but it was something to do with some 'fantasy' of mine...

That really upset me. I have endured the same kind of behaviour with Seth Lakeman, being told by posters in here that I 'fancied' him.

Geez, when will you misogynists wake up to the fact that actually, women DO have BRAINS and unlike many of the men who've crossed my path on the internet, we don't champion music, People, nor anything else because we're sexually aroused by it, as some of you might be!!!

Do NOT fecking patronize me with your sexist 'humour'..and do NOT insult the Native Americans by showing disrespect towards them. They've had centuries of it and you know what, they're sick to death of it!

These kinds of comments are why I rarely come here now, because I'm done with being upset, with having some mods (not Joe) remove my posts whilst they let the posts of some truly nasty individuals remain. I do not include you in the 'truly nasty' section, Al, but for Keriste's Sake, show some respect and stop patronizing me.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 05:17 AM

I am not going to argue with you again Jim, but I ask that when you accuse me of saying something, you produce the actual quote.

If you can support any of today's accusations with such a quote, I promise I will leave Mudcat.
Really leave.
Not just do an impression of someone stuck in a revolving door!

I'm gone--Here I am!--I'm gone--Here I am!--I'm gone-Here I am!-

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 04:47 AM

Oh - something else I forgot.
They persistently pot things, then deny they have posted them
It seems that Mudcat has a poltergeist that consistenly posts in other people's names.
We really do need an exorcist
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 04:36 AM

Two new lies!
"Anyway - you've already been told that you haven't been around long enough to hold an opinion - just as I have been told that I have no right to hold my opinion because I choose not to live in Britain"

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 04:33 AM

I just point out accusations that are false.
Who would not defend themselves from such smears?

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 04:27 AM

OH - Something I forgot - they usually qualify their position by disowning it and saying it was someone elses.
"and nothing to do with me."
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 04:23 AM

One of the major problems of this forum, which has earned some of the threads on it the rightful description of "boring" is that a tiny number of rottweilers have attached themselves to a number of subjects; Israel, Muslims, Homosexuality, Ireland.... have taken each one of them over and ascertained that they cannot be discussed reasonably and democratically.
Discussion always starts with a reasonable input into the topic; people disagreeing with one another, but exchanging their views calmly and reasonably.
Then in come the guard-dogs and attach their vice-like grip on the topic until, one by one, everybody else walks away.
I was stupid enough to believe that rottweilers could be reasoned with; I think Muskie has fallen into the same trap - they really can't.
For them, it is about "winning" - and they are prepared to use any trick in the book to take home the glittering prizes.
You always know who they are; they are the ones who talk about having "won" arguments, and it is usually their name that is the last on the thread.
You really are wasting your time Muskie - while they are allowed to operate the way you do they will continue to send these discussions into earthbound spirals and they will eventually destroy this section of Mudcat until it is no longer viable.
Anyway - you've already been told that you haven't been around long enough to hold an opinion - just as I have been told that I have no right to hold my opinion because I choose not to live in Britain - thake their word for it - they are "infallible" - they've told us that as well.
As somebody once said about politics; "don't vote, it only encourages them".
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 04:11 AM

I challenge you to produce one statement unfit for UK publication.
Very confident prediction, you can't.

By all means produce my UKIP quote.
You know well, because I have put it in front of you before, that it was a pasted quote from their website, and nothing to do with me.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 03:37 AM

Oh no you haven't!

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 02:00 AM

By the way moderators.

That's twice Akenaton has tried to slur the person behind Musket and my fitness for purpose for my professional life. Despite never saying nor knowing what I do in the first place ! I have been called a healthcare manager, despite saying all along I am a retired CEO in manufacturing, voluntarily working as an advisor and academic in using improvement methods from industry in healthcare, having once been chairman of a health authority (we have lay people from outside healthcare to oversee public funds used by The NHS.) I been called a disgrace for having a medal I don't have for accepting it whilst sexual health infections are rising at a rate they aren't, and if they were, local government (councils) and their elected politicians are responsible for it now!

In the meantime, I have been very careful to aim my sights clearly at the words of what he preaches on this website. He has said in the past he works on building sites. I have no hesitation in saying I have no information to suggest he isn't well suited for his employment.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 01:46 AM

Seems I have an OBE now. If Mudcat represented reality I'd probably be King too.

If I had such a thing, worm I would have handed it back because it wouldn't be my property. (For the benefit of our cousins, OBE stands for other buggers efforts and is a medal that is given amongst other causes to senior civil servants.) Having never been either a civil servant nor rock star, mention of it as a slur is part of the make up of the worm aka Akenhateon.

Joe. No UK newspaper would or could publish a letter stating the allegations against sections of the community Akenhateon alleges. As ever, Keith is wallowing in his Little England fantasy again.

Newspapers do and can of course print views and opinions. Opinions tend to say that they don't want change or that gay marriage changes their perception of marriage or that promiscuity amongst men can provoke a higher risk of infection than between similar irresponsible behaviour between men and women. People can say that they don't understand gay feelings so have difficulty accepting the concept. People can say that they are what their experiences make them and they were born and raised at a time when being gay was legally second class, and sex between them was illegal.

But no media outlet could get away with what he says (and Keith defends) without being brought to account. Having written for The New England Journal of Medicine, I still have a copy of their style guide for editorial copy including defining opinion versus stating fact. I deduce from that the following. US courts are as willing and able as ours to question publication of porkies.



Oh Keith. I did say I was fucking important. No need to keep bringing it up. Perhaps you might bring up what I also said? I'm not important but I am fucking important.

There again, your obnoxious black and white waffle is based on face value. Hence I said it. I answered your question. Stupid questions get stupid answers. Doesn't mean you treat this website with contempt by thinking people are stupid enough to fall for out of context quotes.

Do you want me to dig out your post again where you refer to "we " with regard to UKIP? You love digging for my comments yet reckon you can't find any if your pet worm's inflammatory hatred? Go back to sleep.

zzzzzz

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Big Mick
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 01:09 AM

To paraphrase: there are none so deaf as those who will not hear. There are none so ignorant as those who refuse to comprehend.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Amos
Date: 19 Apr 14 - 12:45 AM

I think it is wise, when your inflamed mind tells you to write invective against an individual, to immediately back off and recast your thinking so that you post about facts and ideas instead.

ALl the slandering of correspondents is what makes posts tedious and unlikeable.If you really want to arm-wrestle against individuals, do it over a pint or two face to face. Using the Cat to act venomous impulses is counter-productive, wasteful and unkind.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 10:34 PM

Keith. Perhaps people of real faith will see your weird "it's Christians always being persecuted by "Islamists" and it might put a few off too eh?

It might if I ever said it.
Made up Musket shit.

I haven't linked you to UKIP. You did it yourself

More made up shit.
If you had any kind of case you would not need to lie all the time.

Joe, UK papers and sites could and do publish comments like those posted on here.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Janie
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 09:36 PM

Guest who posted the deja vu link. Perfect!

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 06:08 PM

back to the wigwam Lizzie - they'll be sending smoke signals behind your back. I know you're not paranoid, but that Old Nokomis is such a bitch,,,,,

as for you Ake - wash your hands thoroughly after shaking hands, put some raw fruit in your porridge and put toilet paper round the seat, and don't give blow jobs to strangers....and up there in the nether regions of wherever you are....I can virtually guarantee your safety from everyone -except the masked gay avenger who goes round spreading deadly infections to people who never shut up about them.....

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 05:42 PM

Amos: "My apologies for confusing people with a typo. BOSHG should have been BOSEG--a big ole shit-eating grin."

OK..Got it!!

(Boy, did I have one ready for you.....but, alas, you're off the hook!!)

Regards Amos!

GfS

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 05:29 PM

Ahh!..Dave the Gnome FAILED AGAIN!!!

The CLOGFEST, (One of the links you posted)Where they gather for CLOGGING, is NOT the same as 'step dancing'!

"English clog dancing began in 19th century England during the Industrial Revolution.[5][6] It is thought to have developed in the Lancashire cotton mills where wooden-soled clogs were preferred to leather soles because the floors were kept wet to help keep the humidity high, important in cotton spinning.[7] Workers sitting at the weaving machines wore hard-soled shoes, which they would tap to the rhythms of the machines to keep their feet warm. At their breaks and lunches, they would have competitions, where they were judged on the best rhythm patterns. By the late 1800s they clog-danced[8] on proper stages at competitions. In these competitions, the judges would watch the routine and judge it according to footwork, precision, and technique.Clog dancers were a common sight at music halls throughout the 19th century and into the early 20th century. Dan Leno became the world champion clog dancer in the 1880s, although records show that competitive clog dancing was a frequent occurrence throughout the 19th century.[5]

Cecil Sharp frequently encountered step dancing, clog dancing and North West Morris dancing (a type of Morris often performed in clogs, but NOT THE SAME AS 'STEP DANCING) in his search for folk dances in England, but it was Maud Karpeles who was more effective in documenting some of these dance"

..and here's the link:
Check it out yourself

IRISH STEP DANCING is what I was referring to....I don't know what the hell you're talking about...but then, neither do you!

GfS

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 04:05 PM

Joe, well said, the point of discussion is to convince someone else through reasoned points to change their point of view to some extent, it is not to insult, score points, or to push the other person into some perceived defeat.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 02:48 PM

Musket sez (18 Apr 14 - 03:37 AM): So if I posted a letter in your local newspaper that all Catholics promote buggering altar boys and it is the duty of every catholic to defend their priests whilst encouraging their sexual frustration release, you'd read it and say I don't agree with it but if that's what you assess as the situation from the recent exposure, that's your view.

The example you give is a little extreme, Musket. Most probably, a U.S. newspaper publisher would quietly neglect to publish such a letter, and would remove it from the forum if posted on his Website. If he did publish it, the repercussions would take place in the marketplace, not in the courtroom. As I said, there currently are few legal controls on speech in the U.S. It's not the same as in Europe.

And comments like the ones you complain about here, are posted in U.S. newspaper letters to the editor on a frequent basis - especially in conservative areas like the place where I live. Nobody would think about filing a legal action against them. I look on it as an opportunity to publicly, rationally, and peacefully voice opposition to such thinking. And I try to use a quiet, rational tone instead of a combative one - I want to change minds and hearts, not defeat enemies. In a small community like mine, my approach has worked over time. I'm seen as a voice of wisdom in the community. The newspaper occasionally calls me and asks for a quote on an issue.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 02:41 PM

I thought I'd put this in here, to relive the boredom, for those who are bored to death of this thread...

'Goodnight Mr. Tom'

Hope you all enjoy it.


And yes, Mudcat has become boring, mainly because some of the main posters to it have either now died, or had enough of being picked on by jealous, nasty individuals who seek to dominate whichever boards they frequent, regarding those places as wholly 'theirs'.

Have fun watching the film, it's one I love very much.

Thanks
Lizzie

PS: I miss Peace and Ron Bankley and Dan....

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Ed T
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 02:32 PM

The "Law of Conservation of Argument" clearly states that, regardless of the OP topic, the argument will live on, trancending threads, involvjng a few, versus the masses. No knowledge will be gained, nor any position eroded, "stand firm through logic and time, for preservation of the argument" remains your sole calling.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 02:22 PM

"If I ever get sad enough to think how good I am though, I can say I tried and thanks to a judicial review, did my little bit to make health and social care that bit more accountable to those for whom it is provided." Ian OBE.

Meanwhile, in the real world MSM sexual infection rates keep rising.
The procedures in operation are obviously useless in that demographic.

Apologise and hand back your "gong" boy.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 01:52 PM

I don't even LIKE shortbread Al! :0(

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 01:51 PM

Musket, I have never said anything like, "it's Christians always being persecuted by "Islamists"
You make up shit because you can not challenge anything I actually say.

Here is you on your "honour,"
" I am fucking important. Important enough to know what I am talking about. Prince Charles reckoned my gong made me important and he is more famous than you, thank you. "

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Musket
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 01:43 PM

You are right Al. As ever in fact.

The nearest I got was to tell the PM that one of his predecessors called me the enemy within, yet here I am quaffing the rather good No.10 wines.

Mind you, I did decline a different invite from Bliar once it seemed clear that his loyalty to a cowboy US president overtook his duty of care for UK citizens. I'm not special, clever or anything else, but the only way to change things is from the inside. If I ever get sad enough to think how good I am though, I can say I tried and thanks to a judicial review, did my little bit to make health and social care that bit more accountable to those for whom it is provided.

As you ask.

I haven't done anything about gay issues though.

Quite ironic that in a weeks time I am in that far flung area myself for a few days, we are staying two nights with friends near Inveraray. I suppose one of the reasons I laughed so hard at the worm when it said there aren't that many in his patch is that next year, our friends plan to marry. We were at their civil partnership a few years ago. Taking the worm's advice, I'd best lock my bedroom door then. Sick puppy.



Keith. Perhaps people of real faith will see your weird "it's Christians always being persecuted by "Islamists" and it might put a few off too eh?

I haven't linked you to UKIP. You did it yourself. I merely read your post. If you have changed your mind, then great. I hope you find another party that caters for your rather particular needs.

Subject: RE: A boring place
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Apr 14 - 01:40 PM

Musket, you might have said something to Prince Charles when you received your "honour" from him.