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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: GUEST,Musket Date: 31 May 14 - 03:34 AM Usually when discussing your posts, it's my dinner that stands most chance of being brought up. I didn't bring your weird view of journalism up, I merely used it amongst other examples of how a resurrected thread showed the same people spouting the same nonsense. You puffed up your sense of self importance and rather stupidly tried to denounce your own post. That of course made me curious. Leopards and spots...... |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 31 May 14 - 03:40 AM tried to denounce your own post. No. Completely untrue You ridiculed it even though it was a direct quote from Hamad who knows much more about media issues than you do. I had stated my view and posted that quote in support. What is to denounce? |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 31 May 14 - 03:53 AM Don, I read the whole thing...and the comments, too. This is reporting the exact SAME study that Dave the Gnome posted, and even included some of the very same conclusions....including: (8th paragraph) "The gene or genes in the Xq28 region that influence sexual orientation have a limited and variable impact. Not all of the gay men in Bailey's study inherited the same Xq28 region. The genes were neither sufficient, nor necessary, to make any of the men gay." AND>>>> (10th paragraph) "While genes do contribute to sexual orientation, other multiple factors play a greater role, perhaps including the levels of hormones a baby is exposed to in the womb." This is nothing new, and if you read the comments after the article, some of the posters shredded it for the same thing!..I don't understand your renewed zeal for this article on the same flawed study. You're trying to beat a dead horse that already got beat up. Comments from posters: sandgrinder 14 February 2014 4:45am "Male sexual orientation influenced by genes, study shows The genes are not sufficient or necessary to make men gay but do play some role in sexuality, according to US research Have they identified the 'straight' gene yet? The Venus of Willendorf wants to know." expatandhappy sandgrinder 14 February 2014 6:52am 51 Likes "Just died laughing at this 'expert' article. If it's in the genes then they would have all died out long ago." notdrowningjustwavin expatandhappy 14 February 2014 6:59am 634 Likes "You clearly died pretty early on in the article as it repeatedly states that it is very clearly not all in the genes. I believe there is a comprehension gene also that occasionally goes missing, no need for a genetic test in extreme cases...." Jeff Gauthier 14 February 2014 3:20am 133 "Nature/nurture is just a distraction. The two are not mutually distinct. The central problem with trying to isolate the "natural causes" of a homosexual sexual orientation is that a "homosexual sexual orientation" (and sexual orientation more generally) is itself a social construction. That's not to say it's not real or that it's a casual choice, but rather that it's unclear how "homosexual" one has to be (how many partners, how many many, fantasies, etc.) to count as "homosexual." In a culture that has a long history of compulsory heterosexuality, relatively few people are likely to self-identify as homosexual. On the other hand, in a culture that has no such taboos (e.g., the ancient Athenians), it wouldn't occur to anyone to think that who she has sex with constitutes a sexual identity or orientation." and on and on...... Don this is old stuff...and if you re-read the sensationalists sentences, it reverts to 'May', 'may suggest' 'speculates'... Ok, I read it.....nothing there! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: GUEST,Musket Date: 31 May 14 - 03:57 AM You know, it's the "this person I found on the internet knows more than you do" routine that is just about, with a few other close entries, the most pathetic aspect of what you surmise as debate. Just because someone is paid by the column inch doesn't put their views beyond scrutiny by intelligent people. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 31 May 14 - 04:05 AM Hamad is a prominent Left-Wing journalist of impeccable credentials who knew from personal experience that there was no editorial interference at Sky News so I quoted him testifying to that fact. My view was based on such knowledge and I was sharing it. It is what I do and how you hate it. It exposes your ignorance. You even had to claim you knew more about history than historians! "Those historians should know better." |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 31 May 14 - 10:48 AM I support my views with hard evidence. You support yours with vitriolic intimidation and obscene name calling. It probably does succeed in deterring some nice people from expressing differing views, but not me. I went to school in Clerkenwell and was an army reservist for 39 years, 27 in the Parachute Regiment. Naughty names! Oh dear! Of course you sometimes produce fake evidence. Sick fantasies of child murder. Quotes that Google says originate with you. Statistics that you can not actually show anyone. My evidence is real. How you hate that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: GUEST,Musket Date: 31 May 14 - 11:11 AM Yawn... Anything relevant in that tirade? If I had a fiver for every bloke in the pub who reckoned he was in the parachute regiment. I said you are not capable of debate. I pointed out your habit of confusing debate with top trumps. Keep calling me a liar in order to explain away your own inadequacies and I shall keep pointing out your arse to the boys and girls. (Clerkenwell. I'll give you that one. Sounds dead posh.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: GUEST,Corporal Musket Date: 31 May 14 - 11:18 AM In my case 39 years in The Devonshire Arms. 27 of them in the tap room. Awarded VD & bar. Mentioned in dispatches. Saw active service in away match darts dominoes and crib nights. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: Don Firth Date: 31 May 14 - 02:33 PM Goofball, the thing that you keep getting screwed up is that I never said that sexual orientation is caused by one single gene. You keep claiming that that IS what I said. I said that it is a combination of genes. And that this combination of genes may be carried by the mother and governs the release of crucial hormones while the fetus is in utero. By claiming that I said what you claim I said means one of two things: you either do not have the intelligence to understand what I said, clearly and in plain English—OR you are deliberately misrepresenting what I'm saying. So which are you: a fool? Or a liar? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Jun 14 - 03:19 AM Don, I almost can't believe you said that!1..You 'NEVER' said that it was 'A GENE'????? ALSO, "I said that it is a combination of genes. And that this combination of genes may be carried by the mother and governs the release of crucial hormones while the fetus is in utero." The 'combination of genes' is NOT what triggers the release of the hormones in question....You're back peddling, trying to work in a 'combination of genes'....because it's the closest you can get, being as 'The Gene' theory is just about collapsed.....(for those who know, it has been collapsed for a LONG time) Makes me wonder about your preference, as to motive....being 'born that way' verses 'being born that way, because of genetics'....and you seem to insist it's 'The Gene' over any other reason....interesting.. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Jun 14 - 03:30 AM Previous post posted before I was done..... Don, I almost can't believe you said that!..You 'NEVER' said that it was 'A GENE'????? ALSO, Firth: "I said that it is a combination of genes. And that this combination of genes may be carried by the mother and governs the release of crucial hormones while the fetus is in utero." The 'combination of genes' is NOT what triggers the release of the hormones in question....You're back peddling, trying to work in a 'combination of genes'....because it's the closest you can get, being as 'The Gene' theory is just about collapsed.....(for those who know, it has been collapsed for a LONG time) Makes me wonder about your preference, as to motive....being 'born that way' verses 'being born that way, because of genetics'....and you seem to insist it's 'The Gene' over any other reason....interesting..when no gene or combination of genes have been found to do anything of the sort!!!....unless, of course, you're a 'so-called liberal'.....then even physics, common sense, accurate science, and anything spiritual is out the window!!...and instead, all we hear from the political left, are arguments fomented from lies, assumptions, and speculations....while having NOTHING in the FACT department to substantiate the premises. .....and then on top of it, they knock religious people for having faith!!!!! Hilarious!!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: GUEST,Musket meister Date: 01 Jun 14 - 11:35 AM Looks like this boring thread finally has it's demise then. Nothing added for a while. (Sit down Goofus. I said added.) Dum dum de dum, dum de dum dum dum dum dum. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Jun 14 - 11:55 AM Yeah...Methinks you're running low on bullshit...maybe whip it for a topping!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: Don Firth Date: 01 Jun 14 - 01:33 PM Goofus can't understand plain English. No, that's not correct. He understands it all right, he just refuses to accept what obviously scares the shit out of him! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Jun 14 - 04:39 PM Oh?..Is that so??...PROVE your 'point'.....give us the gene CONCLUSIVELY, or admit that all the policies and laws passed we all on speculation, of finding it!!! OR..shut up! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 01 Jun 14 - 04:40 PM Typo on the previous post.... Oh?..Is that so??...PROVE your 'point'.....give us the gene CONCLUSIVELY, or admit that all the policies and laws passed were all on speculation, of finding it!!! OR..shut up! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: Don Firth Date: 01 Jun 14 - 05:08 PM Buzz off, Goofball! You've been busted! In fact, I've busted you a half-dozen times, as everyone who has the bad taste to read our exchanges can plainly see. Give it a rest. You're just making an even bigger ass of yourself. (Which is quite a feat, really!) Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: Don Firth Date: 01 Jun 14 - 05:42 PM From Nature: Nature Genetics 11, 248 - 256 (1995)So don't argue with ME, argue with these folks. Face the truth and suck it up, Goofball! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: Ed T Date: 01 Jun 14 - 06:02 PM "For every problem under the sun, There is a solution, or there's none. If there is one, try and find it, If there isn't, never mind it." John Bell's diary C. 1860: |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: Ed T Date: 01 Jun 14 - 06:07 PM "Experience is the name everyone gives to their mistakes" (Oscar Wilde) |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Jun 14 - 12:11 AM Me busted????? You silly spinner!...I'M the one who first told you about Xq28..I know about that gene...and I know that it is not the gene, other than the markers. But, just to remind you, "Other factors have greater influence...." YOU are the one who is busted, because you can't spin the FACT, that this issue is based on misinformation, in fact, a downright lie! The bigger question is WHY???? Why is it so important to base any of this shit, on an unproven THEORY, that has been spun into a lie!!! NOBODY has found 'The Gene'...and don't give me any more of the Xq28 crap!..You're only foolishly deceiving yourself....I KNOW BETTER!! ...and so do YOU!! Nothing based on a lie has an honest motive!!...and doesn't last the test of time....and is destructive in nature, just by the nature of the deceit!! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: Don Firth Date: 02 Jun 14 - 12:30 AM Goofus: "I'M the one who first told you about Xq28" You? Told me? That you would think that you can actually get away with that assertion is UNBELIEVABLE!!! Have you completely lost it, Goofball!??? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Jun 14 - 02:15 AM Yeah....and I can pull it up. I'm the one who posted anything about Xq28, and also mentioned that the markers on it were the ones that were susceptible to the hormones. My, how you either try to feign selective memory!...or you really have one. Bottom line, is from an unproven theory, politics has spun this into something that it really is NOT!...and you either know that, and are part of the 'game', OR, are not as 'bright' as you pretend to be...either one says a lot about the bogus cause, and its supporters and promoters.....don't believe me??? Then tell us about how far away are they from finding the genes, or the strand.....keeping in mind, you posted a study that claimed the entire genes have been 'mapped out'. Most maps have important details....what happened here???...and if they are just a few studies away....how come we have laws and policies AS IF it was already a fact?? GfS P.S. And instead of getting 'pissy' CONSIDER the questions..because we both know that they are on the mark! |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: GUEST,Seaham cemetry Date: 02 Jun 14 - 07:18 AM I am not that young, but when I was at medical school, we were taught that any research into genetic reasoning for sexual orientation is doomed to failure as the exception clause is too large. The need to socialise with members of your own gender is in the vast majority of people. The need to care for and be altrustic towards people you find attractive is in the vast majority of people. The mix and match, moral thought deduction and impulsive action from just those can cover every eventuality with no gene change whatsoever. Effeminate men and butch women exist in both heterosexual and homosexual personas. You can't help being gay any more than you can't help liking brussel sprouts. Different people can react to conditioning in different ways though. You are what you are, or as a colleague from Jamaica tells me, you is what you is. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Jun 14 - 12:26 PM Seaham: "Effeminate men and butch women exist in both heterosexual and homosexual personas. You can't help being gay any more than you can't help liking brussel sprouts. Different people can react to conditioning in different ways though." That's quite a jump in 'reasoning'....you were talking about observational facts of the human race, and personality traits and then you jumped to saying people have 'NO CHOICE' in the matter. ....and that's not true. Is altruism a choice?????...Oh, and another thing..Brussel sprouts can be an acquired taste, and often are.(BTW, pretty good with butter and dill).... You have mixed objectiveness with broad generalizations...and made a specific rule for a limited few...but that is more than likely from a political stance, not scientific or medical!...and restrict freedom of choice. GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: akenaton Date: 02 Jun 14 - 01:25 PM Well said Sanity. This is the creature who published libellous lies about me, concerning my treatment of my racing dogs, in an attempt to discredit my position on completely unrelated issues. Watch him/her!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: Ed T Date: 02 Jun 14 - 02:51 PM IMO, it seems that "mixed objectiveness with broad generalizations" abound from all sides on this issue, and from many, if not most posters- regardless of the mudcat thread title or point in time. In fact, it could be a fitting thread title. ;) |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: Don Firth Date: 02 Jun 14 - 03:24 PM Goofus, why do you lie when it's such a simple matter to expose you as a liar? Not smart at all. I can post a number of links to posts you have made that will show you up for the waffling prevaricator that you are. Shall I do that? It makes an interesting inventory of how many times you've shot yourself in the foot. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 02 Jun 14 - 04:56 PM What ever you say 'just must be true'....If you want to say something true, (for a start), try working on WHY the passing of laws and policies, based on a lie...or even at best, speculation...Let's now be honest....WHY????? GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: Don Firth Date: 02 Jun 14 - 05:08 PM Diversionary tactic. Hmm......methinks I'll start posting pairs of links to self-contradictions that you've posted. You know, posts in which you say one thing, followed by another in which you say just the opposite...... Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: Don Firth Date: 02 Jun 14 - 06:12 PM Goofus, the first mention of the Xq28 gene was posted on the Prop 8 thread on Jan 4 2009 10:12pm. NOT by you. By Amos. The first time YOU mention the Xq28 gene is in the "BS: 'Gay marriage' question" on Jan 4 2013, at 6:06pm. FOUR YEARS LATER. In your post, you say that it's only a "marker" and not the "gay gene." Whatever the hell you mean by that. Look it up for yourself. Busted!! AGAIN!! (This is like shooting fish in a barrel!) Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: GUEST,Musket Date: 02 Jun 14 - 06:45 PM Talking of greyhounds, do you want mine to explain anything to Goofus? |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: Don Firth Date: 02 Jun 14 - 07:39 PM Greyhounds are great dogs. My wife and I have a friend with one. She adopted a retired racer. By the way Goofup, were you aware of the fact that every post anyone ever made to Mudcat is still available and can be accessed? I first posted on Mudcat on 02 Sept. 2, 1999 at 4:21 pm, and one can still access that post. I don't know if non-members (guests) can access them, but members have access to any message that anyone ever posted. So if you said it, Goofball, I can find it. And if you didn't say it, I can determine that, too. Shall I continue? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: akenaton Date: 03 Jun 14 - 03:26 AM Don, perhaps debate might go more smoothly if you stopped name calling in every thread. Among the USer, you seem to be the only one who continues this practice.....your posts would come over better if you addressed people by their proper handles. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: GUEST,Musket Date: 03 Jun 14 - 03:26 AM Mine is a retired racer too. It took a couple of years to settle him properly. We thought he was just highly strung but it appears the cruelty they suffer when in the hands of the racing fraternity was more than I thought. Interesting that I enjoyed a night at the dogs till I took an ex racer in. In any event, his patience with Goofus is better than mine. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: akenaton Date: 03 Jun 14 - 03:42 AM Ian, I suggest you take a trip to a register racing kennel, there are plenty around where you live, have a look at the conditions and the health of the dogs. While there, familiarise yourself with the rules regarding the welfare of racing greyhounds, how all dogs under rules, have to be chipped and have personal ID stored by GBGB. It is the duty of owners to have retired dogs rehomed, and any cruelty can be traced back via the dogs ID......heavy fines or imprisonment would be involved for animal cruelty. I have been involved in the sport for fifty years and any ill treatment of dogs has been roundly condemned by all trainers and owners. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: GUEST,Musket Date: 03 Jun 14 - 04:13 AM Funnily enough I want to agree. I am also convinced that most breeders and trainers look after their dogs. That said, every greyhound I come across, we speak of how long it took them to settle, learn to play, stop being nervous. My nephew, a vet, speaks of the broad spectrum of welfare, from excellent practice to cruelty and doping with drugs. It's the same as in any walk of life. Good or bad seen as representing the whole depending on your agenda. Something you should be more mindful of when treating us to your discriminatory rants on other subjects. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: akenaton Date: 03 Jun 14 - 04:41 AM I have seen more cruelty to animals from humans, who are too selfish to have aged and infirm dogs euthanized, than in any of the racing kennels I have visited. Dogs are like humans, in that there are nervous individuals and confident ones, It also takes dogs some time to acclimatise to living in a home among a family, after up to five years in a racing kennel, where their lives are run to a regular pattern. I believe in rehoming, but many dogs are not kept securely by their new owners over the bedding in period and a rehomed dog can be in serious danger if allowed to run free. My dogs in England have a swimming pool, Jacuzzi, wet weather gallops, fully fitted treatment rooms for any injuries, walks in the Hertfordshire countryside every day, and a large paddock for recreation. They are fed a varied diet, with a dry food base and a selection of vitamins, cod liver oil etc. When they retire, I shall have them at home or with friends. Racing dogs are magnificent, brave creatures, when at full speed are of breath taking beauty. Running and chasing is as natural and important to them as breathing or laughing is to us. Your reference to my views on other sections of society were uncalled for and irrelevant in this instance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: Don Firth Date: 03 Jun 14 - 01:27 PM Just a small point, Ake, that you have obviously missed. I do NOT name-call in every thread, as you claim. Yes, I do respond to GfS's insults, slurs, and lies in order to set the record straight. He lies about me a lot (in fact, he stalks me from one thread to another just to insult me and generally kibbitz) because he knows that I know his dirty little secret and he wants to discredit me. But then, on the issue of human rights, you and GfS seem to be on the same page. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: Don Firth Date: 03 Jun 14 - 02:27 PM Sherry's dog (who, unfortunately, is no longer with us) was five years old when she got him. It took him a bit of time to acclimate to his new home, but no major problems. He was friendly and curious, and as long as Sherry took him to a nearby park (a pretty large park) and let him off-leash to run for a while (at near light speed!), he seemed pretty happy with his new life. Unfortunately, he was off-leash when he took after a car (apparently mistaking it for a mechanical rabbit), chased it into traffic, and got hit by another car. Sherry was devastated. She'd had him for a couple of years and they had "bonded." Recently, she applied to adopt another greyhound. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: akenaton Date: 03 Jun 14 - 02:55 PM I'm sorry to hear about the dog Don, these animals need to be carefully watched even when they have been in a home environment for a period of time. They never lose the chasing instinct and it gets them into lots of trouble in the world of humans. Best thing is to get another as soon as possible, but I never allow my dogs off the leash unless I am certain they are in a secure and safe area....they are a little short in the brain dept and have absolutely no fear of injury, the red mist descends. A greyhound of about five years old is more placid and makes an excellent companion They are not "pets", as they are slightly detached and don't like a lot of fuss, but have a sort of nobility which I always think has to do with antiquity of the breed. They were kept by the ancient Egyptians as hunting dogs and were deified in legend. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: GUEST,Musket Date: 03 Jun 14 - 02:58 PM I'll decide whether I feel them relevant or not. I'll decide my view on animals, football, sexual orientation and how to spend my dosh. I shall also decide whether the racing fraternity, Greyhound Action or a vet makes the best argument, then form my own view. My little boy was a bag of nerves when we got him. It was over a year before he would eat if we were in the room. Two years before he was curious over visitors. Four years on, it was only the other week on holiday that we let him off the lead, as the beach we were on in Fife was deserted for a couple of miles either way. At home, he has two acres of garden to have his funny 10 mins, and he only started doing that in the second year. In the summer, he almost lives laid in the orchard. But it was not like that till recently. Teaching an adult dog how to play is perhaps one of the saddest aspects of taking on ex racers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: Jeri Date: 03 Jun 14 - 03:33 PM Statistical sample of one. Sure, that makes sense. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: akenaton Date: 03 Jun 14 - 04:27 PM I don't blame the dog really, don't think I would feel like eating either...if you were in the room. |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: Don Firth Date: 03 Jun 14 - 05:00 PM Insults, Ake? Talking out of both sides of you mouth, perhaps? Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: akenaton Date: 03 Jun 14 - 05:21 PM Come on Don, surely I'm allowed a little nip at Ian after such a sustained assault on my integrity... :0) |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: GUEST Date: 03 Jun 14 - 05:57 PM Parallel to my situation with harassment by Goofball. Your apology is accepted. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: Don Firth Date: 03 Jun 14 - 06:00 PM Hmm!?? Dunno what happened to my cookie....... Reset now, though. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: Ed T Date: 03 Jun 14 - 06:04 PM A, non-randomly selected, statistical sample of one.:) |
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Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread From: Steve Shaw Date: 03 Jun 14 - 06:07 PM Come on Don, surely I'm allowed a little nip at Ian after such a sustained assault on my integrity. "Integrity"?? |