BS: the demise of the boring thread

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 02:58 PM

I think we have established beyond peradventure that we are all completely faultless.

god will be really pleased with you all.

so when you get to heaven - there will be Keith, jim, ake, musket - all on the same white fluffy cloud. spreading joy and peace and understanding and enlightenment.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 03:14 PM

Look fellers
Lets face it; we've behaved like arses for far too long - all of us.
That behaviour has buggered up thread after thread and deprived others of their say on subjects that interest them.
As far as I'm concerned, it's over and I apologise for having behaved the way I have for far too long - I suggest that those of us who don't consider apologising "grovelling" do the same and leave it at that.   
Everything we have ever said is up for public scrutiny for people to make their own minds about without our having to reiterate it - to deny it seems an exercise in the absurd, unless we can persuade the graffiti artist who went to Balshazzar's dinner party to re-edit it for us.
I made my complaint and am happy that it has been considered and responded to fairly and without bias.
That reply has assured me that the concerns I raised have been noted and, hopefully, will be kept an eye on in future.
I'm not particularly ashamed of my views. I stand by them; I am ashamed of the way I have expressed them sometimes.
In general, I go along with what Musket, Greg, Steve, and many, many others (who tend to get overlooked because our behaviour has driven them off in anger, disgust, and all to often, in boredom and despair)   have to say on matters we have argued on, but I think we all need a reminder that a scalpel if far more efficient than a cleaver where complicated subjects are concerned.
It must be a pretty grungy job trying to control a bunch of out-of hand-kids, so I think we all owe S.R.S our thanks, and those of us who have gods maybe go thank them that we didn't get kicked out on our arseums.
JIm Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 03:17 PM

And all playing clarsachs...Bonnie's going to be busy keeping order over you lot!

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 03:17 PM

Ed, Attitudes and a consensus do NOT constitute a fact, when permissiveness is 'alleged' to be based on 'genetics'....and that theoretical notion has been clearly debunked.
There will always be those who are motivated and driven, by a political agenda, who will insist, that there is not changing course, as long as it fulfills their political agenda's 'needs'....no matter how factually incorrect they are.
Dave the Gnome said he had NEVER heard of an 'Ex-Homosexual'...and I provided quite a few instances that should have enlightened him. If those who still don't believe it, just plain don't believe it, that's THEIR problem...not mine.
Delusion, of itself can be at least 'entertaining' to those who insist that their favored delusion is reality!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 03:23 PM

WTF!!!

I just felt like saying that, because it seems appropriate to express in such quiet, reflective periods.

Don't know who said it, but it goes something like: "every breakdown, is followed by an opportunity. Sometimes, the opportunity is grasped to make change. Most often, it is not."

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 03:40 PM

I believe we are discussing different topics gfs.

I dont recall making any claim that homosexuality was or is genetic, and I don t know who here did? I dont believe that any genetic signature has ever been located from research.

Regardless, that does not rule out that it is just as "embedded", by some other biological, chemical or brain-functioning reason. It also does not rule out various differences among those who do, or did at one time, consider themselves homosexual. (For example, cross dressers, and metro-sexuals are often confused as being homosexual, while it is often more complex than that, and many are not in fact, homosexual in their sexual orientation).

My question was related to those who moved back and forth "between teams" and where they do, what can wb determined from that- from reliable and non biased sources, preferably properly conducted and unbiased research.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 03:59 PM

Fair enough, Keith. I missed that. I must admit I only read half the tripe in these threads even though I may even contribute to it occasionally :-) I still don't know who the rest of Musket's mates are as I have not met them. I do think it unfair to tar them all with the same brush.

GfS. I never said I "had NEVER heard of an 'Ex-Homosexual'". I said there is no such thing. I believe Michael Glatze to be a fraud with an a fundamental religious agenda. You may believe I am. Quite frankly, I don't really care. We can agree over a few things and have done so in the past but on this I trust my own instincts.

Jim, well said. I also apologise for any offence I have caused to anyone and can assure whoever took the offence, it was not malicious. I still stand by my beliefs though. I think everyone knows them by now.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 04:04 PM

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/male-homosexuality-influenced-by-genes-us-study-finds-9127683.html

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 04:11 PM

I believe that link is from a 1995 study, which was later debunked. Check it out by using the term "gay gene research debunked" in your search.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 04:54 PM

DtG: "I do not believe for one minute that some homosexuals decided to change their minds."

DtG: "GfS. I never said I "had NEVER heard of an 'Ex-Homosexual'". I said there is no such thing. I believe Michael Glatze to be a fraud with an a fundamental religious agenda."

""I do not believe for one minute that..."

Hey, I'm not responsible for what you CHOOSE to believe, any more than what people CHOOSE to deny...You can even CHOOSE to believe in the 'genetic' nonsense.

"Lies make us angry with the truth!"

How you view Michael Glatze doesn't take the 'ring out of the bell'. He said he was a homosexual...even was a VERY active promoter of the homosexual lifestyle, even with two prominent publications.....but then he said he changes, and is no longer a homosexual....what am I supposed to believe, YOUR interpretation, based on faulty science(genetic rubbish) or his testimony, as to where he's been and what he used to be, and his change??

Michael Gatze's personal statement:

"Michael Glatze made the following testimony about his experience with homosexual lifestyle and behavior:

    Lust takes us out of our bodies, "attaching" our psyche onto someone else's physical form. That's why homosexual sex – and all other lust-based sex – is never satisfactory: It's a neurotic process rather than a natural, normal one. Normal is normal – and has been called normal for a reason. Abnormal means "that which hurts us, hurts normal." Homosexuality takes us out of our normal state, of being perfectly united in all things, and divides us, causing us to forever pine for an outside physical object that we can never possess. Homosexual people – like all people – yearn for the mythical true love, which does actually exist. The problem with homosexuality is that true love only comes when we have nothing preventing us from letting it shine forth from within. We cannot fully be ourselves when our minds are trapped in a cycle and group-mentality of sanctioned, protected and celebrated lust. God came to me when I was confused and lost, alone, afraid and upset. He told me – through prayer – that I had nothing at all to be afraid of, and that I was home; I just needed to do a little house cleaning in my mind. I believe that all people, intrinsically, know the truth. I believe that is why Christianity scares people so much. It reminds them of their conscience, which we all possess. Conscience tells us right from wrong and is a guide by which we can grow and become stronger and freer human beings. Healing from sin and ignorance is always possible, but the first thing anyone must do is get out of the mentalities that divide and conquer humanity. Sexual truth can be found, provided we're all willing and driven to accept that our culture sanctions behaviors that harm life. Guilt should be no reason to avoid the difficult questions. Homosexuality took almost 16 years of my life and compromised them with one lie or another, perpetuated through national media targeted at children. ... As a leader in the "gay rights" movement, I was given the opportunity to address the public many times. If I could take back some of the things I said, I would. Now I know that homosexuality is lust and pornography wrapped into one. I'll never let anybody try to convince me otherwise, no matter how slick their tongues or how sad their story. I have seen it. I know the truth."

..and HIS account:

Nevertheless, after a decade in which his leadership role in the homosexual activist world grew, he experienced simultaneously a mysterious inner conflict, even in the darkest days of late-night parties, substance abuse and all kinds of things, – at the end of which he finally was "liberated": "'coming out' from under the influence of the homosexual mindset was the most liberating, beautiful and astonishing thing I've ever experienced in my entire life." Consequently, in 2007 he has given up activism, cut himself off from the homosexual community and stepped down as co-founder of XY Magazine where he walked out by leaving a note on his computer with bottom line: "Homosexuality is death, and I choose life." The radical change and transformation in his life, Glatze recalls, began after he started to question his homosexual lifestyle following a health scare and with inner "promptings" that he now attributes to God. He calls homosexual sex purely "lust-based," meaning it can never fully satisfy.[1] He also made a decision to break up with his ex-partner of 10 years and in 2013 married a woman, Rebekah.[3] Glatze attributed much help "in the process of healing from the profound influences of evil in our current society" to reading the book "The Marketing of Evil" by David Kupelian and he expressed a deep respect also for his Christian aunt who disapproved his former homosexual lifestyle and whom he portrays now as "never judgmental, but always firm."

Now whether you believe him or not, is up to you, and your conditioning. You apparently want to disregard what he says about himself, and want us all to believe YOUR opinion, which is founded on a bias.

Good luck!(rolls eyes)

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 04:54 PM

DtG: "I do not believe for one minute that some homosexuals decided to change their minds."

DtG: "GfS. I never said I "had NEVER heard of an 'Ex-Homosexual'". I said there is no such thing. I believe Michael Glatze to be a fraud with an a fundamental religious agenda."

""I do not believe for one minute that..."

Hey, I'm not responsible for what you CHOOSE to believe, any more than what people CHOOSE to deny...You can even CHOOSE to believe in the 'genetic' nonsense.

"Lies make us angry with the truth!"

How you view Michael Glatze doesn't take the 'ring out of the bell'. He said he was a homosexual...even was a VERY active promoter of the homosexual lifestyle, even with two prominent publications.....but then he said he changes, and is no longer a homosexual....what am I supposed to believe, YOUR interpretation, based on faulty science(genetic rubbish) or his testimony, as to where he's been and what he used to be, and his change??

Michael Gatze's personal statement:

"Michael Glatze made the following testimony about his experience with homosexual lifestyle and behavior:

    Lust takes us out of our bodies, "attaching" our psyche onto someone else's physical form. That's why homosexual sex – and all other lust-based sex – is never satisfactory: It's a neurotic process rather than a natural, normal one. Normal is normal – and has been called normal for a reason. Abnormal means "that which hurts us, hurts normal." Homosexuality takes us out of our normal state, of being perfectly united in all things, and divides us, causing us to forever pine for an outside physical object that we can never possess. Homosexual people – like all people – yearn for the mythical true love, which does actually exist. The problem with homosexuality is that true love only comes when we have nothing preventing us from letting it shine forth from within. We cannot fully be ourselves when our minds are trapped in a cycle and group-mentality of sanctioned, protected and celebrated lust. God came to me when I was confused and lost, alone, afraid and upset. He told me – through prayer – that I had nothing at all to be afraid of, and that I was home; I just needed to do a little house cleaning in my mind. I believe that all people, intrinsically, know the truth. I believe that is why Christianity scares people so much. It reminds them of their conscience, which we all possess. Conscience tells us right from wrong and is a guide by which we can grow and become stronger and freer human beings. Healing from sin and ignorance is always possible, but the first thing anyone must do is get out of the mentalities that divide and conquer humanity. Sexual truth can be found, provided we're all willing and driven to accept that our culture sanctions behaviors that harm life. Guilt should be no reason to avoid the difficult questions. Homosexuality took almost 16 years of my life and compromised them with one lie or another, perpetuated through national media targeted at children. ... As a leader in the "gay rights" movement, I was given the opportunity to address the public many times. If I could take back some of the things I said, I would. Now I know that homosexuality is lust and pornography wrapped into one. I'll never let anybody try to convince me otherwise, no matter how slick their tongues or how sad their story. I have seen it. I know the truth."

..and HIS account:

Nevertheless, after a decade in which his leadership role in the homosexual activist world grew, he experienced simultaneously a mysterious inner conflict, even in the darkest days of late-night parties, substance abuse and all kinds of things, – at the end of which he finally was "liberated": "'coming out' from under the influence of the homosexual mindset was the most liberating, beautiful and astonishing thing I've ever experienced in my entire life." Consequently, in 2007 he has given up activism, cut himself off from the homosexual community and stepped down as co-founder of XY Magazine where he walked out by leaving a note on his computer with bottom line: "Homosexuality is death, and I choose life." The radical change and transformation in his life, Glatze recalls, began after he started to question his homosexual lifestyle following a health scare and with inner "promptings" that he now attributes to God. He calls homosexual sex purely "lust-based," meaning it can never fully satisfy.[1] He also made a decision to break up with his ex-partner of 10 years and in 2013 married a woman, Rebekah.[3] Glatze attributed much help "in the process of healing from the profound influences of evil in our current society" to reading the book "The Marketing of Evil" by David Kupelian and he expressed a deep respect also for his Christian aunt who disapproved his former homosexual lifestyle and whom he portrays now as "never judgmental, but always firm."

Now whether you believe him or not, is up to you, and your conditioning. You apparently want to disregard what he says about himself, and want us all to believe YOUR opinion, which is founded on a bias.

Good luck!(rolls eyes)

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 05:08 PM

Eliza says: In my view (not worth a lot I realise) bitter and frenzied argument can take place, and be stimulating and interesting, IF people hold tightly to an underlying civility and goodwill, agree to differ, 'shake hands' and be friendly in spite of their opposing standpoints. That, by the way Joe, is a traditional British way of behaving, even if somewhat diluted nowadays.

And Musket, not to be undone, says (21 Apr 14 - 04:43 AM): No, sorry Eliza. On this one, niceties don't work. Both our countries have a proud past of confronting bigotry and slowly but surely killing sections of it off. We have people on this website who are free to propagate hatred towards others, question the right of some people to exist and then call those who question them the fascists.

Eliza, I like your approach far better - and in the long run, I think it's far more effective.

-Joe

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 05:14 PM

http://www.trueorigin.org/gaygene01.asp

Before you read the article, note the sites name.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 05:16 PM

I prefer my own.

It leaves people with disturbing views under no illusion as to how outdated and hurtful their views are. Having read The Archbishop of Canterbury confusing dilemma this Easter, my approach is free from institutional hypocrisy too.

The bastards being the worst out in me. So what? Reality brings out the worst in them too.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 05:21 PM

You apparently want to disregard what he says about himself, and want us all to believe YOUR opinion, which is founded on a bias.

You still don't get it do you GfS? I stated quite categorically that I do not believe Glatze is being honest. I also said that I do not really care what you believe. Let me expand on that. I do not want anyone to regard or disregard what he says. I don't want anyone to believe me, you, the Pope or the flying spaghetti monster. That is what I have said all along in the threads on religion and a number of other things. Anyone can believe what they like as long as they don't expect me to go along with it. My opinion is neither worth a penny not biased. It is my opinion. That is all. It is founded in research, live experience and instinct. I don't expect anyone to take any notice of it let alone believe it. Isn't about time you realised your opinion is just the same? Even if you voice it twice? :-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 05:25 PM

Thanks for the link. It presents BOTH sides...

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 05:28 PM

Musket, you failed to produce one single quote.
There are no "criminals propagating their hatred" here.
If there was I would be with you exposing them and arguing them down.

But there are not.
You are not saving Mudcat from bigots, you are making false accusations to try to silence and smear your critics.
You are a dishonest person.

I would have to grovel and retract if you could produce hate quotes, but you can't because there are none.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 05:28 PM

DtG: "Anyone can believe what they like as long as they don't expect me to go along with it. My opinion is neither worth a penny not biased. It is my opinion. That is all. It is founded in research, live experience and instinct."

Read the link, provided by 'Guest'

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 05:35 PM

Are you the last two Guests gtf?

I am having a hard time making heads or tails of the last few posts, and who is stating what to whom - A most confounding discussion to follow or make any headway forward(it seems to taks two steps forward based on knowledge and logic and two steps back to earlier discussion/discord that had none to little potential of making progress forwardnon any topic aspect.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 05:38 PM

Whoever the last "guest" is, that was a "wonky" link on my android computer. I cant read it, as it flashes and wont hold in place long enough to read.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 05:42 PM

Look, the rest of us can dream on about you lot growing up and becoming positive for once, but you gang of six or so have got some serious mind problems and it's not going to happen. The fact you don't get the message when the mods cut it short and kick off yet again must surely tell you - all of you - that none of you should be posting here or anywhere else for a very long time, while you get a life. When a gang of utter egocentrics takes over a site, destroying what they claim to care for and getting most people pissed off to the back teeth, to the point of destroying the site's once considerable reputation, then there's something seriously wrong with each and every one of you.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 05:46 PM

Kinda funny that the last post was from an anon guest.- not that the post message itself was not appropriate, just that it was anon.

:)

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 05:51 PM

Thanks for the link. It presents BOTH sides...

No it doesn't. Here is the conclusion -

Consider the obvious problem of survival for individuals who allegedly possess a gay gene: individuals who have partners of the same sex are biologically unable to reproduce (without resorting to artificial means). Therefore, if an alleged "gay gene" did exist, the homosexual population eventually would disappear altogether. We now know that it is not scientifically accurate to refer to a "gay gene" as the causative agent in homosexuality. The available evidence clearly establishes that no such gene has been identified. Additionally, evidence exists which documents that homosexuals can change their sexual orientation. Future decisions regarding policies about, and/or treatment of, homosexuals should reflect this knowledge.

Anyone with a grain of humanity should take particular notice of the last line and shudder. Sorry to inflict it on decent folk. The name should have warned me and thanks for that, Guest, but I didn't think that anything could really be that bad. If you think that is an honest portrayal of 'both sides', GfS, you and I differ so greatly that there is little point in continuing the discussion.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 05:54 PM

Unnamed Guest of 21 Apr 14 - 05:42 PM. Please note my earlier point about veiled hints and allegations. We know you have not had the decency to let us know who you are but then you go on to make accusations against unnamed people. Why is that?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 06:25 PM

I did some minor editing, that I suspect a valid researcher would make, on one concluding statement in the Guest link:


... evidence exists which documents that "some claiming to be homosexual, or possibly bisexual, have stated that they have changed their sexual orientation...  additional research is warranted to investigate and qualify these claims. Until this is done, and focused peer reviewed research occurs, one should exercise caution before drawing conclusions and making over-reaching generalizations and interpretations"

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 06:28 PM

As I said with the link, look at the site on which the article appears.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 06:42 PM

As an aside, I find it very strange that other people's sexuality is of such concern to so many.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 06:46 PM

Decency from you crowd? That has to be the biggest belly-laugh of the thread! You wouldn't know decency if it came up and introduced itself politely. It doesn't matter who or what I am, what I had to say is self-evident and has nothing to do with me, it has everything to do with how you've been carrying on. If you can't see how you have destroyed this site, then you must be morally, spiritually and ethically blind, and utterly unfit to do anything more in the world of folk.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 07:02 PM

Trying to start an argument, Guest? Why not find a tread your liking to post and argue on?

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 07:07 PM

If I told you that you have a beautiful link, would you hold it against me?

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 07:08 PM

Be off with you. You ard not even a proper Guest.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 07:11 PM

Too many guests, too little time.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 07:46 PM

Ye shall know them by their words.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 07:50 PM

Ye?
Could you be Keats?

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 07:51 PM

Nay

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Jeri
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 08:10 PM

Ed, with 6 out of the last 7 no-name posts, are you proud of this?

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: bobad
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 08:16 PM

Is Ed talking to himself? Jeeze, no wonder I can't figure out what's going on around here anymore.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 08:18 PM

Whats your actual purpose in saying that Jeri?

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 08:24 PM

My purpose is to shkw that anyone can be an anon guest and say anything.I had no plans to keep my posts as anon, or to disguise my frequent typos or posting style.

But, why would they. I chose humour, versus the 6th Guests approach. Care to tell us who that guest is Jeri, as you seem to havs access to that info?

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 08:47 PM

Eliza says: "In my view (not worth a lot I realise) bitter and frenzied argument can take place, and be stimulating and interesting, IF people hold tightly to an underlying civility and goodwill, agree to differ, 'shake hands' and be friendly in spite of their opposing standpoints. That, by the way Joe, is a traditional British way of behaving, even if somewhat diluted nowadays."

And Musket, not to be undone, says (21 Apr 14 - 04:43 AM): "No, sorry Eliza. On this one, niceties don't work. Both our countries have a proud past of confronting bigotry and slowly but surely killing sections of it off. We have people on this website who are free to propagate hatred towards others, question the right of some people to exist and then call those who question them the fascists."

Eliza, I like your approach far better - and in the long run, I think it's far more effective.

-Joe

Cor, I haven't even posted to this thread yet and I've been named in it twice. Nice!

Joe, we have a record of some of us trying to confront some bigotry and failing abysmally, at times, because we vacillate and we refuse to properly take it on. You live in a country which is supposed to have espoused "civil rights" decades ago, yet your schools in the South are getting more and more segregated and your social inequality gets worse and worse by the year. Never think that letting people mix on buses is the answer to anything. White supremacy rules as it always did in your country as it does in mine as it does in South Africa as it does (par excellence, defended here by more than one very nasty man) in Israel. When I see some of you lot being rather nice to pete, Keith, Ake, Goofus, bobad and one or two others, and telling us good guys off for having a bloody good bash at them because you think we're being not quite nice, I think of that bloke in 1938 waving that piece of paper at us Brits as he got off that plane from Germany. Accommodation with bigots is not just useless, it's a bloody sight worse than that. In effect, the mods here have sided with some serious bigots. Maybe they didn't mean to (but who knows - by their fruits...)

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: bobad
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 08:53 PM

He still doesn't get it - how fuckin' thick can one be?

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 09:00 PM

People are back to abusing each other, after my temporary attempt at guest humour. Are you proud of that, Jeri?

:)

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 09:04 PM

Get what, BooBad - your persistent line of bullshit?

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 09:10 PM

Steve Shaw says ( 21 Apr 14 - 08:47 PM) Accommodation with bigots is not just useless, it's a bloody sight worse than that.

So, Steve, I take it that you see combat as the only way to achieve justice. I side with Gandhi and Martin Luther King, who saw true strength only in peaceable approaches. It seems to me that real progress is achieved only when one works with the other side, not attempting to denigrate or destroy the other.

You believe in combat.
I believe in peace - without "accommodation" or backing down.
Violence took over after the deaths of Gandhi and King. What did it accomplish?

-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: bobad
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 09:14 PM

Thanks Greg, I'm honoured to see that you are still stalking and entertaining us with your erudition.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 09:55 PM

These guys can say they are fighting bigotry until the cows come home. There is a pretty simple test as to whether they are or not. Who brings it up? Who starts the conversation about the so called bigotry on thread after thread. Who starts the fights?

There are five or six jerks on this forum who just get their jollies from name calling and abuse. Some of them have even talked about it being a release. A half dozen well placed punching bags in the UK would cut 90% of the acrimony from this forum.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 11:18 PM

Dave, in your post you cut and pasted the 'Conclusion'...but seem to FAIL at reading the WHOLE thing you posted...so I'll put it up for you...READ IT!! You posted it!!!:

"....We now know that it is not scientifically accurate to refer to a "gay gene" as the causative agent in homosexuality. The available evidence clearly establishes that no such gene has been identified. Additionally, evidence exists which documents that homosexuals can change their sexual orientation. Future decisions regarding policies about, and/or treatment of, homosexuals should reflect this knowledge."

Got it?..Get it?...Good!

...and that is all I've said about it for YEARS now..no gene!!
I have not made a 'moral' statement about homosexuals, other than in regarding promiscuity...but I included heteros in that as well....and for that, the political airheads interpret that as being 'homophobic'!
As I've said before, most people accusing other people of that, don't even know what it means!

"Lies make us angry with the truth!"

Enough said about this....or the, 'the demise of the boring thread', will just reach a greater level of boring!

GfS

P.S. The post,
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 04:54 PM

Was me...but if you look at the bottom, I put my customary 'GfS'.. AND I posted a duplicate right after WITH my name, 'Guest from Sanity' at the top....all the other 'Guests' were not me.

P.P.S....any more on the homosexual topic, you should take to another thread.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 21 Apr 14 - 11:19 PM

..and 100

gfS

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: Janie
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 12:49 AM

Hi Ed. Now that you have said what it was you were attempting, in hindsight, it is clear. However, you were the only one who knew what you were attempting. I understand, as the result of Jeri's disclosure, that the series of Guest posts were all you and your subsequent replies, what you were attempting to accomplish, with good intent for this community. Your admirable effort fell flat. My own reaction as I read through that series was "Oh shit, more shit in camp." I am grateful to know it was you making that series of posts, and what your intent in doing so was. Relieved.

Not your fault. You were trying. Not Jeri's fault either for not being able to intuit your intent, especially given the current climate.

Subject: RE: BS: the demise of the boring thread
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 22 Apr 14 - 01:22 AM

Joe - Look up appeasement.

Jack - Look back in threads and see who makes homophobic remarks.

It would be quite funny if some of us reacted before hate was published. I watched the biopic on Tommy Cooper last night. If you want to see conjuring tricks, I suggest watching something similar.

Keith. Ask me to supply, read them and claim I didn't supply. Near trick, if you treat everybody reading with contempt.