Subject: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: GUEST,Doug Gifford Date: 22 Apr 14 - 12:08 PM In late July we'll be playing a museum gig commemorating the beginning of WWI. We're a duo--me on piano and vocals and my female partner on vocals. For a variety of reasons, we've decided that the songs should be what an entertainer would actually have played at a concert in 1918. That is to say, not just WWI songs, but songs from farther back as well. I've got a set list of about thirty songs now, but am still on the lookout. Any suggestions? |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: Megan L Date: 22 Apr 14 - 12:18 PM If your local newspaper was around at the time and was anything like ours give them a look. While researching the red cross I found lots of reports on benefit and morale concerts which usually gave lists of who did what. I am sure you have already included Keep right on till the end of the road and musichall songs. |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: GUEST Date: 22 Apr 14 - 12:40 PM Thanks, Megan, for the newspaper idea. Our town newspaper, "The Gananoque Reporter" dates back much farther than 1918. It was recently sold to a corporation, though, so it may be tough to get at anything through them. Maybe I'll check the library first. I have a copy of Harry Lauder singing "Keep Right on to the End of the Road." I gave it another listen while I read about the song. Kinda teared up a bit. From Wikipedia: Harry wrote the song "Keep Right on to the End of the Road" in the wake of John's death. He had a monument for his son built in the little Lauder cemetery in Glenbranter (John Lauder was buried in France). That's a keeper. Thanks Because we're in Canada, I think music hall is a good fit. We were very British at the time. I'm trying to convince Diane to try some Marie Lloyd songs. But I'm pretty new to music hall and have a bunch more searching and listening to do. I've performed "When Father Papered the Parlour" for years but that's about it. |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: Megan L Date: 22 Apr 14 - 01:15 PM try Florrie Ford as well The boy I love is up in the gallery And don't forget Keep the home fires burning |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: Megan L Date: 22 Apr 14 - 01:21 PM I just remembered "There's a long long trail a winding" which was sung quite a lot this site has some suggestions this might also give you some ideas |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: GUEST Date: 22 Apr 14 - 01:45 PM It would be within the norms of the day to rewrite the words a bit. Now this lousy war is over Oh how happy now is me Gone the whizzbangs gone the sergeant I'm off from the infantry Back to Blighty come next Monday Sarah needs her soldier boy Monday's tommy's happy funday Sarah is my Soldier's Joy But then again, Spanish Flu was waiting around the corner. I'd love to know how much food shortage led to lower resistance and the deaths which followed. |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: GUEST Date: 22 Apr 14 - 02:05 PM Thanks all. I'll check out every suggestion. And yes, WWI was one of the stupidest wars ever fought, which is saying something. |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: Steve Gardham Date: 22 Apr 14 - 02:50 PM If you get hold of a book like Brophy and Partridge, The Long Trail, not only will it give you plenty of material, but if you look at the tunes the soldiers were utilising, they are of the popular songs just prior to the war. This has recently been reissued so should be easy to get hold of. Many of them would have been American tunes as American pop music had a big influence in Europe at the time, as well as the fact that Canadian and American troops brought songs over with them. Here's a good one that was still being sung in pubs in Britain in the 60s 'My Brudda Sylvest' from 1908. I also think that the 'Died for Love' song was brought back over here by American troops during this war. It originated in Britain but this particular oekotype was crystallised as 'The Butchers Boy' in America. |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: GUEST Date: 22 Apr 14 - 06:50 PM "Here's a good one that was still being sung in pubs in Britain in the 60s 'My Brudda Sylvest' from 1908." Ha! Just what we need, a song delivered in heavy accent Italian-English about a strong man who can even beat up Indians. I have enough trouble with "My Old Kentucky Home" and the line "Tis summer, the darkies are gay." Or "K-K-K-Katy," for that matter. Different times, different customs, I suppose. |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 22 Apr 14 - 07:15 PM It was not a stupid war. It was fought to save free countries being enslaved to a cruel, militaristic tyranny. Home Lads Home was written in 1916. The Garden of Gethsemane. Far far from Wipers. Hanging on the old barbed wire. Tipperary Old Kit Bag. |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: Shimbo Darktree Date: 22 Apr 14 - 08:01 PM If you want Music Hall, one name gets mentioned frequently at Oz performances by a Music Hall duo - and that name is Harry Champion. Songs he wrote leading up to WWI included "Boiled Beef and Carrots", "Any Old Iron", and "I'm Henery The Eighth I Am". You could also try Kipling's "Boots", "The Road to Mandalay", and "Danny Deever". Break a Leg! Shimbo |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: GUEST,Doug Gifford Date: 22 Apr 14 - 09:15 PM "If you want Music Hall, one name...." Actually, I want memorable, excellent songs. Music Hall is fine, but also other songs that would plausibly have been sung publicly at the time of armistice. Here's what I have written out and ready to learn (or already learned) right now. After You've Gone 1918 Alexander's Ragtime Band 1911 All Through the Night 1884 Ballin' the Jack 1913 Beautiful Dreamer 1864 Bill Bailey 1902 The Boy I Love is Up in the Gallery 1885 By the Light of the Silvery Moon 1909 Camptown Races 1852 Darktown Strutters Ball 1917 Down By The Old Mill Stream 1912 For Me and My Gal 1917 Frankie and Johnnie 1904 Hard Times Come Again No More 1848 Home Sweet Home 1823 I Ain't Got Nobody 1915 I Didn't Raise My Boy To Be A Soldier 1917 In The Good Old Summertime 1902 It's A Long Long Way To Tipperary 1914 Jeanie With the Light Brown Hair 1854 K-K-K-Katy 1918 Keep Right On to the End of the Road 1916 Moonlight Bay 1912 My Grandfather's Clock 1874 My Old Kentucky Home 1853 Oh! Susanna 1848 Old Folks At Home 1851 Silver threads Amongst The Gold 1873 Sister Susie`s Sewing Shirts For Soldiers 1914 Some Of These Days 1910 The Spelling Bee 1875 St. Louis Blues 1914 They Didn't Believe Me 1914 Under The Double Eagle 1902 Waiting for the Robert E Lee 1913 Walkin' The Dog 1916 When Father Papered the Parlour 1910 You Made Me Love You 1913 |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: GUEST Date: 23 Apr 14 - 06:09 AM Keith, this was a nice positive thread until you arrived. By starting off with a dogmatic statement someone's bound to disagree with, you came looking for a fight, and not for the first time. This is why someone created a thread just for little old you over on the other side, so would you please be a gentleman and confine your ill grace to over there? |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: GUEST Date: 23 Apr 14 - 06:14 AM The hard history of the end of the war showed celebrations as the troops came home - which were the very kiss of death for the participants. The Spanish Flu had two waves, in early 1918 immediately after a wave of fund-raising patriotic rallies, and in late 1918/19 exactly corresponding with the celebrations for the return of the troops. The MudCat thread on the songs which followed is here. |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: Musket Date: 23 Apr 14 - 06:26 AM Oh! We'll all give thanks for being well led, A righteous war and no bugger bled... Almost writes itself... I am performing a set at a WW1 history day at an arts centre in June. To date, I have two songs that are old chestnuts and need no further learning, (The Bogle pair) and am presently working out the wonderful waltz tune Ralph McTell did for Maginot Waltz, and I intend to sing that too. Throw in a Wilfed Owen poem and my set should be ok. What is Interesting about this history day is that it is trying to combat the revision that is repugnantly doing the rounds, led by Michael Gove and a few misty eyed old soldiers who think their berets put them closer to WW1 than actual history itself. |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: Lighter Date: 23 Apr 14 - 07:55 AM Placing the Maginot Line in WW1 is a bit of revision too, one would think. |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: GUEST Date: 23 Apr 14 - 08:27 AM The thought of Gove near the front line...probably on t'other side... |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: Musket Date: 23 Apr 14 - 09:19 AM Placing The Maginot Line in WW1 certainly would be. Maginot Waltz is about summer 1914 though, nothing to do with Maginot Line. |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: Lighter Date: 23 Apr 14 - 09:41 AM Now I feel better. |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: GUEST,Doug Gifford Date: 23 Apr 14 - 10:27 AM anti-war songs from WWI: I Didn't Raise My Boy To Be A Soldier Hanging on the Old Barbed Wire (anti-hierarchical, really) Sister Susie's Sewing Shirts for Soldiers isn't exactly anti-war, but Susie, aside from being incompetent, may be stealing some flannel for her own use. Lots of pro-war/pro-recruitment songs, which I won't list, and some songs that slip their pro-recruitment sentiments into the verse, like K-K-K-Katy: Soon he'll go to France, the foe to meet. Jimmy thought he'd like to take a chance, See if he could make the Kaiser dance, Stepping to a tune, All about the silv'ry moon, This is what they'll hear in far off France. Interesting how so many pro-recruitment songs simplify the task to something like making the Kaiser dance. It reminds me of a time I was driving through the US near the beginning of the first Iraq war and people were phoning into the radio telling us it was time to "boot Sadam's ass." I guess it sounds better than "come back home a broken man" which is what happened to my grandfather at the end of WWI. His lungs were damaged and the doctor told him he could no longer work his trade (horse-collar-maker) because of the dust and he became a tenant farmer--a very poor tenant farmer. We do have a very nice certificate, though, thanking him for his participation. |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: GUEST Date: 23 Apr 14 - 10:57 AM André Maginot was a French Deputé (MP) and Under-Secretary of State for War in 1914. Wounded at the start of the war, he was made an iconic hero and spent much of the interwar years as Minister of Defence, creating the imbalanced focus on the defensive line named after him. The Maginot Waltz might therefore be considered alongside the rest of the choreography of OWALW. |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: IanC Date: 23 Apr 14 - 11:27 AM I think no 1918 concert would be complete without "Annie Laurie". Very popular since the Crimean War but still very popular. Fits your format too. :-) |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: GUEST,Doug Gifford Date: 23 Apr 14 - 01:15 PM Annie Laurie! I have John McCormack singing it. It's gorgeous and she's not dead or anything. Bonus. Diane will gladly trot out her Scots accent thing and off we go. I'm copying it out right now. Thanks |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: GUEST Date: 23 Apr 14 - 01:19 PM Pack up your troubles in your old kit bag |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: GUEST Date: 23 Apr 14 - 04:26 PM OWALW was based on Tommy's Tunes There's also Soldiers Songs on Traditional Music. |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: Lighter Date: 23 Apr 14 - 04:41 PM You've got a hard choice to make with "Tipperary," now laden with irrelevant, reactive associations but symbolic of the British war effort for many decades. Likewise with George M. Cohan's American "Over There." |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: GUEST Date: 23 Apr 14 - 06:45 PM "You've got a hard choice to make with "Tipperary," now laden with irrelevant, reactive associations but symbolic of the British war effort for many decades. " We'll do it, just because. Not really a war song at all; just a song that was sung during a war, and somehow came to symbolise it. Could be worse--could have been "Three German soldiers crossed the Rhine." |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: GUEST Date: 24 Apr 14 - 02:15 AM Or Mademoiselle from Armentiers... |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: GUEST Date: 24 Apr 14 - 03:04 AM A couple of my favourites---older than 1918 but they may have been sung. One that is Canadian is "When You And I Were Young Maggie", words written by George W. Johnson, a teacher in Lower Canada, in 1864 and music by James Butterfield in 1865. I also love Man On the Flying Trapeze---I believe it was British---from 1867. |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: Musket Date: 24 Apr 14 - 03:53 AM All the girls in France bought a ticket to a dance Singing Nelly rub your belly close to mine. The gig I am doing is in a church, so I promised I wouldn't do the myriad saucy WW1 songs though. Interesting how many rude songs have their roots in The Great War? |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: GUEST,Larry The Radio Guy Date: 24 Apr 14 - 02:42 PM Sorry, my cookie was disengaged. That last 'guest' post from April 24 3:04 A.M. was mine. |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: Cool Beans Date: 24 Apr 14 - 07:20 PM I do a lot of songs from the 1900s to the 1940s. A few from pre-1918 that I'd recommend (because they're fun to sing and go over well) are: The Storybook Ball Bill Morgan and His Gal (My Name Is Morgan But It Ain't J.P.) Come Take a Trip in My Airship Give My Regards to Broadway And if you can get away with one from 1919, "The Blues My Naughty Sweetie Gave To Me" is a doozy. Good luck!! |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: Lighter Date: 25 Apr 14 - 09:54 AM Well, if you're gonna do 1919, you can't neglect "How Ya Gonna Keep 'em Down on the Farm (After They've Seen Paree)?" |
Subject: RE: Concert 'in 1918'--song suggestions From: GUEST,doug Gifford Date: 25 Apr 14 - 11:52 AM Cool Beans: I've harvested all your suggestions from youTube and have listened to them a few times. I think Diane will like The Storybook Ball. We could include Airship in a medley of flying or transportation songs (i.e. merry oldsmobile, Josephine and airship). I won't do 1919 for a WWI gig, although "How ya gonna keep them..." is WWI themed, so it might get included. "The Blues My Naughty Sweetie Gave to Me" is interesting. I'll put it in my mental collection of early jazz songs that I could learn. May I recommend back: Shelton Brooks' "Walkin' the Dog" and "Darktown Strutters Ball." |
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