BS: Islamic radicalism . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 12 May 14 - 09:58 AM

"Well, Boo, seems to have manipulated YOU alright."

Yeah right Greg - you're the one throwing the word around....doh!

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 May 14 - 10:05 AM

Does anyone condone that Hamas TV clip?
Is it ever right to brainwash kids with such hatred?
Is it not a crime against the children targeted?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 12 May 14 - 10:18 AM

This is what passes for entertainment on Gaza's state run TV channel. I can only imagine the reaction if the tables were turned and Israel's state TV were to promote such treatment of Palestinians to young children.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 May 14 - 06:23 PM

Can't engage well with all this. Largely because I can seldom get into Mudcat at all at the times I'm free to try. However, this from Jim is, to me, the only honest way to see these things:

When are these morons going to come to terms with the fact that in the main, these are not religious conflicts, but disputes over territory and political power, and atrocities are not confined to one side - all wars take place with claims of "God on our side"

Nobody ever fought a war for God. Wars are never about something as trivial as that. It behoves us all to cast aside our favourite theories and tendentious notions and look for the real reasons wars are waged. Jim nails it here. The people who kidnapped those poor girls may well be hiding under some assumed, perverted definition of Islam, but they are, most decidedly, not Islamists. Nothing in Islam permits or would condone the atrocity they are committing. They are thugs, and let's not glorify them by calling them something else, especially when to do so would suit rather well our own political or religious predilections.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 12 May 14 - 06:41 PM

Aye, brainwashing kids. Good job kids aren't allowed in churches till they are adults and can decide for themselves whether to feel guilty for being themselves. We don't allow brainwashing here do we? We don't have an Education Secretary allowing cults to set up schools and teach nonsense alongside science.

zzzzzzz

I notice on the news a right wing skinhead is standing outside mosques in Bradford shouting at people going in and trying to force bibles into their hands.

A bit of a bugger this Islamic radicalism. Not like decent normal Christians eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 12 May 14 - 06:51 PM

"Hey, Boo! Let's shoot all the Muslims, instead. Right?"

In view of all the stupid posts that have appeared on Mudcat I would have to say that this one is right up there with the stupidest - congratulations Greg - you're the champ!

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 May 14 - 07:11 PM

In view of all the stupid posts that have appeared on Mudcat I would have to say that this one is right up there with the stupidest - congratulations Greg - you're the champ! M

Sorry, Boo- can't acept the honor, since it was in response to YOUR post "lets shoot all the Jews".

Or have you forgotten that one already, Champ?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 May 14 - 08:03 PM

Sublimely nice post, Musket. Now will you please agree with me that it was a complete arse that a Liverpool team containing six English blokes plus one Welsh bloke were pipped by a petrochemical team containing one English player (the bloody goalie fer chrissake) which has been bought with 640 million quid...?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 12 May 14 - 08:37 PM

So Greg did my post of an example of Islamist hate against Jews, on a thread entitled "Islamic radicalism", offend your delicate sensibilities because you are in denial of the issue or is it because you are unable to understand the distinction between Islam and Islamism? Or is it because the target of the hate is Jews? In any case I will be posting many more examples of Islamic radicalism so if you don't want your delicate sensibilities offended I am giving you fair warning. In the meantime chew on this from my Muslim friend, Tarek Fatah:

This is Hawa Abdo This is her new name. We don't know her original name because her enslavers have forcible converted her to Islam and given her a new name.

She is just one of the nearly 300 Christian girls abducted and then enslaved as sex slaves for the jihadi goons of Boko Haram in Nigeria.

Next time an Islamist strokes his beard and flaunts the claim, Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, this child will come to mind.

Disgraceful conduct not just by the Boko Haramis, but the entire Muslim world and specially its leadership and also those hiding behind the burka of 'moderate Muslim' label.

Tarek Fatah

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,#
Date: 12 May 14 - 08:50 PM

Until such time as I see the real Imams speak against atrocities, I will be left to conclude they agree. After all, it's just talk, right?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 May 14 - 10:14 PM

Take it up with the Pope or the heads of the various Protestant denominations, Guest. Let me know how you make out.

In the meantime chew on this

Hey, Boo- in the meantime, kiss my arse.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 02:00 AM

Musket, if you watched that clip you would not compare it to what churches mosques and temples do.
Does anyone condone it?

Jim,
When are these morons going to come to terms with the fact that in the main, these are not religious conflicts, but disputes over territory and political power,

Why the gratuitously abusive "moron" insult?
Radical Islam is engaged in the most brutal indiscriminate killings to bring down democracy and impose Islamic rule under the Sharia.

So it is about territory, power AND religion.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 13 May 14 - 03:02 AM

And tea with the vicar isn't?

The Archbishop of Canterbury stated the other week that if the church supported equality for gay people, he would lose his influence in Uganda.

And we can't have that, can we?



After all, Christianity is a hierarchical concept, whereas Islam isn't. The post by guest# above demonstrates the general ignorance of people towards other cultures. Just about every Imam in The UK deplores the abuse of their creed by criminals but even if that made enough interest for newspapers, it still wouldn't influence the terrorists because Islam has no equivalent of the Archbishop, the Pope or the Noodly one.

Liverpool on the other hand tend to have hard luck stories and cobwebs in their trophy cabinet. Did you know Mr Shaw, that Sheffield Wednesday picked up silverware this season? Just saying like...

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 May 14 - 03:17 AM

"Why the gratuitously abusive "moron" insult?"
When the moron I am addressing stops behaving like one and stops insulting our intelligence
Until such time, it isn't gratuitous - it is merely returning tit for tat.
"Radical Islam is engaged in the most brutal indiscriminate killings"
Not it is not - peop;e throughout the world are engaging in various fights for political and territorial power under the banner of Islam - just as we in the West have engaged in the same type of conflicts "for God, King and country" or "with God on our side"....
That there are religious nutters seeking to make capital out of this is undoubted, but we have our own pseudo-nutters, like yourself, who are engaging in your own Crusades to prove that 'those who kick with the other foot' or who come from 'somewhere else', or 'don't live like us' are an evil force and a threat to 'our way of life'.
You have had a summing up of what is happening, in Nigeria, for instance, from Christians on the ground there; the fact that you have chosen to ignore what they, and many others, have to say about these conflicts, is par for your own so-called Christian course.
Holy wars per se exist only in the heads of religious or pseudo-religious fanatics - "It's all in the mind, you know", as the Famous Eccles used to say.
The religious hate against Jews is echoed by similar hate by and against all religions somewhere or other in the world - you are one of those hate merchants, with your appalling "cultural implants".
Take your fanaticism and hatred somewhere else and let us live in peace.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 13 May 14 - 03:55 AM

Any religious radicalism is hateful. I watched the News last night and felt sad to see the young Nigerian girls at a school in the North. They were wearing silly gingham veils wrapped round their heads and shoulders, in that heat. I've seen such lovely African brightly-coloured clothes on girls elsewhere, but the fundamentalists insist these lassies must cover every inch of themselves. Sad and twisted ideas.
Then, far worse, an item about female genital mutilation in Egypt. Muslims there almost all insist on this evil procedure for girls between 11 and 13. They euphemistically call it 'circumcision' but that barely begins to describe what is done. The item concerned deaths from infection and kidney failure. A chap spoke to camera saying that all women are lustful and must be 'circumcised' to stop them 'running after men'. A women declared her daughters would be 'done' when the time came. Where is this justified in any religious text? It makes me feel quite sick.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 04:48 AM

I do not believe that even that Nazis pushed such hatred at small children.
That clip represents something uniquely appalling.
Very you children being taught that killing Jews, "all of them" is a laudable ambition for a young child.

The Archbishop of Canterbury stated the other week that if the church supported equality for gay people, he would lose his influence in Uganda.
No he didn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 May 14 - 05:18 AM

"I do not believe that even that Nazis pushed such hatred at small children."
Don't be so ******* stupid - the Nazis - they portrayed all Jews and Gypsies, men, women and children, as genetically degenerate and gassed them - it doesn't come more hateful than that.
If you care to find modern equivalents of how Muslims are portrayed, take a look at some of the sites you've supported in the pat - Muslim Watch, for instance.
The BNP and their predecessors, who deliberately targeted and attempted to infiltrate schools with their foul propaganda isn't too bad a British comparison of such hatred 0- not forgetting, of course, Eunuch Poewll's 'Rivers of Blood' speech (and the support it got.
The facilitating of the Sabra/Shatila massacre by the Israelis (and your support for that obscenity by describing it as merely "seeking out the enemy") falls well within a comparison.
Race and cultural hatred breeds an inhumanity that prompts these appalling statements, and pretending it they are confined to one single culture, religion or race is part of that humanity.
What kind of hate-pills are you one?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 05:28 AM

Have you watched the clip?
What is your view?

(And why the lie that I have supported any site?
Trying to discredit again, but not what I actually say.)

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 05:39 AM

The Nazis killed Jews, but it was never openly discussed, and certainly never put to children as a good and fun thing to do.

In this respect, Hamas out-Nazis the Nazis.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 May 14 - 05:48 AM

Until such time as I see the real Imams speak against atrocities, I will be left to conclude they agree. After all, it's just talk, right?

Hmm. Pius XII oversaw the removal of hundreds of Italian Jews to death camps and the expediting of the escape of Nazi war criminals to South America, and there's even talk of maybe making him a saint. Not much "speaking against" there, was there, and that was just the tip of a hundreds-of-years-old antisemitic iceberg.

Good to watch, though, Liverpool, eh, Musket?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 May 14 - 05:56 AM

You supports Muslim Watch's list of Mulim "atrocities" without qualification, demanding that we prove they were wrong
What is happening in Nigeria is the work of a group of fanatics.
Nazi atrocities were perpetraed by a Government who were voted into office
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 06:27 AM

Not true Jim.
I distrusted the claims and took the trouble to check a sample of them.
I honestly was unable to find a single false claim, AND NEITHER COULD YOU OR ANYONE ELSE!

Now, did the Nazis ever put propaganda to very young children (5-6) that killing Jews ("all of them") is good and fun?
What is your opinion of the Hamas clip?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 13 May 14 - 06:52 AM

I repeat.

The Archbishop of Canterbury said that if his church supported gay marriage, he would lose influence in Uganda.

You can't change facts by denying them Keith.

If his church was about love thy neighbour, he'd put people above his own size of club.

Even his own predecessor said his comments were unfortunate. He back pedalled slightly in his article in yesterday's Independent, but not enough to upset the dangerous religious cranks propping up disgraceful governments.

Christianist radicalism anyone?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 07:10 AM

Musket, here is the actual quote from the Telegaraph to whom he gave the interview.
"In an interview with The Telegraph, the Most Rev Justin Welby says that the Church had probably caused "great harm" to homosexuals in the past — but there was not always a "huge amount" that could be done now to rectify the situation.
Although indicating that he was sympathetic to calls for the Church to publicly honour gay relationships, the Archbishop says that it is "impossible" for some followers in Africa to support homosexuality. In the interview, the leader of the Anglican Church, which has 77 million followers globally, speaks movingly of the persecution faced by Christians in parts of the world. He indicates that the Church must not take a step that would cut off these groups, most of them in the third world, however much this angers parts of society in Britain"

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 07:18 AM

Over the past few weeks, The Telegraph has been given unprecedented access to the Archbishop after his first year in office. In the interview, he speaks in detail about the dilemma he is facing over gay marriage — and the influence of recent visits he has made to Africa over the issue.
"We are struggling with the reality that there are different groups around the place that the Church can do — or has done — great harm to," the Archbishop says. "You look at some of the gay, lesbian, LGBT groups in this country and around the world — Africa included, actually — and their experience of abuse, hatred, all kinds of things." But he says: "We must both respond to what we've done in the past and listen to those voices extremely carefully. Listen with love and compassion and sorrow. And do what is possible to be done, which is not always a huge amount."
The Archbishop adds: "At the same time there are other groups in many parts of the world who are the victims of oppression and poverty, who we also have to listen to, and who find that issue an almost impossible one to deal with.
"How do you hold those two things [in balance] and do what is right and just by all? And not only by one group that you prefer and that is easier to deal with? That's not acceptable." In the interview, the Archbishop speaks of his pain at travelling to South Sudan in the aftermath of a massacre of dozens of Christians. He speaks of crying with his wife while watching a mass burial in Bor. On Thursday, the town was the scene of another atrocity when at least 58 people were killed in an attack on a UN base.
However, even in the midst of the horrific situation witnessed by the Archbishop, the local religious leaders asked about homosexuality – making clear that if blessings of gay marriage were allowed to proceed then they would not accept his help in future.
"I do believe passionately that unity is something we have to maintain," the Archbishop said privately soon afterwards. "I may be wrong, but I also believe that to take a step that means that people who desperately need our help — and who we can help — can't take it, feel in their own culture that it is impossible to be helped by us, is something that we can't easily do."
In previous public statements, he appeared to indicate that if the Church did bless gay marriages this could lead to Christians being targeted in Africa.
However, the Archbishop now says that his previous position was misinterpreted, and denies that he is effectively being blackmailed. "What I said is that I have been in places where that has been the reason given for attacking people," he says. "Now, as I said then — and this is where there was misinterpretation — that doesn't mean that you don't do certain things. That would just be giving in to that kind of terror.
"It would be moral blackmail. You can't say, 'We're not going to do X, which we think is right, because it will cause trouble'. That's ridiculous."

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 May 14 - 07:26 AM

"Now, did the Nazis ever put propaganda to very young children (5-6) that killing Jews ("all of them") is good and fun?"
Even worse - they put forward the argument that the Jews were a threat to the German people and the vast majority of the people accepted that argument and turned their backs while they did what they did.
Many of the German people knew of the existence of the extermination centres and did nothing.
Youngsters flocked to join the Hitler youth and anti-Semitism was ann inbuilt feature of German education
"No single target of nazification took higher priority than Germany's young. By 1937, 97% of all teachers belonged to the National Socialist Teachers' Union. Every member of this union had to submit an ancestry table in triplicate with official documents of proof. Courses and textbooks in Nazi schools reflected the aims of Hitler. Of the topics that teachers were required to treat, the most important was racial theory and, by extention, the Jewish problem. In The National Socialist Essence of Education, a German educator wrote that mathematics was "Aryan spiritual property; .. an expression of the nordic fighting spirit, of the nordic struggle for the supremacy of the world..."[1] An example of racial propaganda in a math problem is the following: "The Jews are aliens in Germany--in 1933 there were 66,060,000 inhabitants in the German Reich, of whom 499,682 were Jews. What is the per cent of aliens?"[2]"   
PRE-WAR GERMAN EDUCATION
This wasn't a backward, Third-World African country fighting starvation-class poverty amid battles for territorial and political dominance, It was one of the strongest and most advanced nation in he world.
How dare you compare as being worse the behavior of a group of sick fanatics in the process of manipulating people with that of a super-power fighting for world dominance
Sick moron
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 07:29 AM

Watch the clip and give your view.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 May 14 - 07:40 AM

Where is this justified in any religious text?

BINGO! So maybe this ISN'T about Islam after all, eh, but a cultural norm??

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 07:52 AM

Islamic radicalism transcends cultures.
Its operates in Asia, Middle East, Africa, Europe,......
The common factor is terror for the purpose of destroying democracy and imposing Islamic rule and the Sharia by force.
Take away the religion, and what is left?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 May 14 - 08:32 AM

You've got that exactly backwards, FW - not surprising, of course, for someone who has his head up his arse.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 13 May 14 - 08:40 AM

So, allowing for paraphrasing, I did read it rather than dream about it after all.

I repeat. The Archbishop would rather appease homophobic thugs than gave empathy with decent people.

TC

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 09:57 AM

No he didn't.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 13 May 14 - 10:06 AM

Oh... Is that my third lie then Keith?

Add it to your tally eh?

TC


By the way, you should have said "wouldn't" not "didn't" if you are replying to my previous post TC.





VTC

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 10:10 AM

VTC, quote the quote and there can be no dispute.
He did not say what you accuse him of saying.

I gave you the actual quote.
Ask Officer Dibble TC.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 13 May 14 - 12:03 PM

Quote which quote? The original article, the article he wrote the other day in a different newspaper? The guarded apology on PM Reports? You gave an extract, minus any context as usual.

Or the many articles by decent people who were appalled at his weasel worded patronising excuses for putting power and influence over any moral stance.

He's supposed to be someone that gullible shallow people look to for moral guidance for crying out loud. Saying he wants to accept gay people as equals is far cry from declaring that they are, and that is in his power. Rewrite the fucking bible if necessary. About time the evil disgusting bits were deleted anyway if fools insist on using it as a weapon.



ETC.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,#
Date: 13 May 14 - 12:07 PM

"Take it up with the Pope or the heads of the various Protestant denominations, Guest. Let me know how you make out."

No better, Greg. But it still doesn't address The Silence of the Imams.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 May 14 - 12:14 PM

"No better, Greg. But it still doesn't address The Silence of the Imams."
All churches will attempt to cover their arses when it comes to abuses within their own religions - you don't have to look further than the current child abuse or Magdalene Laundries to find a couple on our own doorsteps
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,#
Date: 13 May 14 - 12:22 PM

That is so-so in terms of accuracy, Jim. Please see the link.

Imams who have spoken against terrorism within Islam.

That said, the fact someone else does it too makes it neither more nor less right or wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 12:28 PM

Musket, I gave the actual, original quote you referred to.
If you want more context, Google the text and see it all.(Telegraph links do not work.)
You said the more recent Independent quote was a backpeddle, but I can provide that too if you wish.

If you produced the actual quote there could be no dispute, but clearly the truth is not good enough for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 12:31 PM

Will no-one express a view on the Hamas clip?
Will anyone even admit to seeing it?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 13 May 14 - 12:44 PM

The truth is what he said. He can't support all people being equal in case he loses members and influence in countries where governments, aided and abetted by his church, persecute their people.

It's simple enough.

Even simple enough for his own predecessor to distance himself from it.

If he has any shame, any moral conviction whatsoever, he should say that everybody has a right to be married and all marriage has the same value, and those who say a God is agin it are abusing the concept of God in the first place.

But he won't. He says nice things to gay people in the same way I say nice things to my dog.

Insignificant little hypocrite. No need to disestablish the church, it is marginalising itself without the help of rational people.

Why worry about Islamic radicals when even one of the least radical Christian cults can't bring itself to see others as equals? Islamic terrorists may have guerrilla tactics to further their cause, but CofE have votes in the upper house. Politicians go around saying this is a Christian country. Fucking scary or what?

At least his predecessor got it right. A post Christian country. You can't ignore your heritage and inheritance but as Clement Atlee said, you don't need the mumbo jumbo.


TC

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 May 14 - 12:55 PM

Back to your trash can TC.

Any comment on the Hamas clip?
Any comment on the terrified girls forced to convert to Islam?
Does that not suggest a religious dimension?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,#
Date: 13 May 14 - 01:04 PM

Of course, too, Muslims are not a monolithic/united group.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 May 14 - 01:48 PM

"Any comment on the Hamas clip?"
The source for this report is a film clip put up on Utube put up by The Middle East Media Research Institute, a Zionist group founded by an Israeli ex-Security officer.   
MIDDLE EAST MEDIA RESEARCH INSTITUTE
What reports there are, are based on that clip
Virtually all the press reports on it are carried by extremist outlets such as Washington Free Beacon, Bare Naked Islam, Sistah Tolja, The daily Caller, The Raw Story, Uncovering Sharia.... by and large, the world press has ignored it, with the notable exception of The Guardian, which carries only an account of someone condemning it - no substantiation of its being genuine.
Its almost certainly a fake.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 May 14 - 01:56 PM

So, Jim, the Hamas charter is a fake?


And the quote from the Qu'ran is a fake?


And nothing else you don't want to hear is a fake?


I will assume that you answered three times in the affirmative, so you don't need to respond here.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 May 14 - 01:58 PM

Sorry, that should be


And ANYTHING else that you don't want to hear is a fake?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 May 14 - 02:27 PM

We've been through interpretations and out-of-context misinterpretations of the Quran - the Bible - and any holy book you care to name.
I'm suggesting that the film was fake - do you have any evidence of its authenticity, other than the extremist sources that covered it?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 May 14 - 02:34 PM

Feel free to find your own Arabic translator and provide us with a "different" transcript.

You have NEVER proved that any of the "quotes" or claims YOU have posted were true- so how can you demand that we prove it? Are you insisting on a different set of standards for what you post than you will accept from those you disagree with?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 13 May 14 - 02:49 PM

We can assume that you have no way of ascertaining that the programme was real then
The report is five days old - perhaps you can explain why the world press chose to ignore it then - where was the good ol' pro-Islam Daily mail when you needed it?
Come on Brucie - this type of stunt is hyped out regularly and quite often swooped on by your crowd of fanatics - where is your authentication that it is the real thing?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: beardedbruce
Date: 13 May 14 - 02:54 PM

Jim,

HERE is the Arabic ( in the video)- check it out yourself.


http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=11384