BS: Islamic radicalism . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST
Date: 18 May 14 - 06:40 PM

"In that statement I am referring only (NB - ONLY) to the law-breakers, inciting or carrying out attacks, grooming young girls etc etc, NOT the vast majority of peaceful and law-abiding folk of ANY religion, colour or creed."

Dodgy disclaimer KA of H. You left out the bit about some of your best friends being Muslim.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 18 May 14 - 06:41 PM

Not trying to hide, simply forgot.

That last post was mine

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST
Date: 18 May 14 - 06:52 PM

"If you really cannot see the distinction between the windy utterances and the symbolic but non-destructive to any particular individual, other than emotionally, of Westboro on the one hand; and the "let's kill all the bastards" approach of Boko Haram, whose leader & spokesman just this last week publicly & emphatically proclaimed the pleasure and delight he took in killing the enemies of Allah," MtheGM

You would have a job convincing any Muslim, however peacefully inclined, that there is any more than a mildly quantitative difference between your utterances here and those of the Boko Haram leader.

Qualitatively, you and he are equally guilty of condemning a whole culture, based upon a flawed stereotype.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 18 May 14 - 06:54 PM

Sorry, me again.

I've been away from here for a couple of weeks and I'm out of practice.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 May 14 - 11:43 PM

Think I'd better leave this thread & really mean it this time. The effort of trying to get sense into the heads of selfrighteous stinkingmannered halfwitted ostriches is coming to sap my sanity and rob me of the will to live. Adieu. See you on some other thread. Some time. Maybe.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 19 May 14 - 01:13 AM

One less ostrich then..

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 May 14 - 03:38 AM

""The report says that Israeli and Palestinian teachers both portray their neighbours as enemies, though Israel does so considerably less.""
Rather outbalanced by the sight of Israeli children with automatic weapons in their hands saying that they can't wait to be old enough to kill Arabs.
Hate doesn't come with one of your sliding scales when it reaches those proportions.
Small cheer indeed.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 May 14 - 04:02 AM

All kids are interested in weapons, and the Jewish ones were not being encouraged to exterminate a race by their state broadcaster.

Troubadour, that "disclaimer" was not mine.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 19 May 14 - 04:42 AM

Does the government here take responsibility for the output of our state broadcaster?

TC

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 May 14 - 05:20 AM

No, but Hamas does.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 19 May 14 - 05:46 AM

Using a state broadcaster is not the same as taking responsibility for it.

Anyway, your Israeli friends reckon Palestinians are incapable of taking responsibility for anything. You can't have it both ways.

But you can try.

TC

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 19 May 14 - 06:44 AM

... except just to observe what a contemptibly cheap little specimen that Musket can be when it sets its mind to it, can't it?

Now I really have done.

I daresay

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 May 14 - 07:03 AM

"All kids are interested in weapons, and the Jewish ones were not being encouraged to exterminate a race by their state broadcaster."
These kids are being brought up to expect to kill Arabs, you appalling bigot
You expressed righteous indignation about a film depicting Arab children being encouraged to talk about killing Jews, but when the opposite is presented you excuse it as 'just being children'
On both sides, children are being brought up to hate the other side - one side is no better or worse than the other - that is the fact of the situation.
Another fact is that Israeli is a wealthy and powerful militaristic state using brute force to extend its territory, the Palestinians are responding to Israeli acts of terrorism with similar acts of their own.
Everybody here, apart from your little Gang of Four recognise that and attempt to support the idea of the (now sadly defunct) Peace Negotiations - you lot wave your little flags for the Terrorist State.
Sickos - the lot of you.
Another one for you to excuse
ISRAELI HATE EDUCATION

Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 19 May 14 - 07:26 AM

That's me.

Perhaps you think people don't read what you put sometimes? Like I just said to Keith, you can't have it both ways.

I called you a top man or some such admirable trait in a thread the other day, and still do. However, you can be confused, contradict yourself and occasionally it is difficult to see where you are coming from.

Contemptible cheap specimens don't come around every day. I suggest making full use of them whilst they can be, as you say, arsed.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 May 14 - 08:05 AM

Gaza broadcasting is state controlled like the rest of the Middle East (except Israel obviously).

The little Gazan children were being encouraged to kill all Jews.
The Jewish children were imagining themselves in battle, as their parents and grandparents were, defending Israel from foreign armies.
It is a very common childhood fantasy to imagine fighting bravely for your country.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 19 May 14 - 08:52 AM

Yeah, nobody controls Israel. Obviously....

A very secular government according to er... the Israeli government. Mind you, in order to form a government they have to have a very non secular mandate. Can't be upsetting the land grabbers and electric fence erectors eh?

Shalom.

TC

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 May 14 - 08:58 AM

TC, there is no state editorial control of Israel's media.
The childrens' programme encouraging small children to exterminate all Jewish people was broadcast on Al-Aqsa TV, the official Hamas-run television channel broadcasting from Gaza.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 19 May 14 - 10:00 AM

No it wasn't.

No more than Jeremy Clarkson is the official stance of The BBC.

Even worse. A Sunday School in England full of small children has them learning and singing songs such as "Fight the Good Fight" and "Onward Christian Soldiers, marching on to war."   One song even encourages children to martyr themselves, claiming "Jesus wants me for a sunbeam."

Easy isn't it?

Especially when it is the "other lot" you want to believe it about.

Nobody argues with the awfulness of the broadcast. The scattergun claim of responsibility though just brings out the bigotry in the worst of people.

The rogue state of Iran still wishes to melt Israel. There again, Israel has promised to reduce Tehran to a glowing puddle. Palestine however, under both parties has tried and tried to negotiate with the Israelis, even to the point of managing to keep rogue militants quiet in order for it to happen. There are many people within Palestine who feel negotiation never worked and never shall, and feel something similar to The UK backed French resistance might work for them too. This isn't the answer, but the stranglehold on The USA by Israel isn't an answer either.

I think they are getting a wee bit pissed off waiting don't you?

Don't tell me you have sunk to Michael's level of "every Muslim has a relative..."

TC

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 May 14 - 10:11 AM

"he Jewish children were imagining themselves in battle, as their parents and grandparents were, defending Israel from foreign armies."
So there we have it - if an Arab children (aged around 6 or 7) say they wants to kill Jews, it is serious - if Israeli children (young to mid -teenagers) say they want to kill Arabs, and wave guns to show how, they are only playing - no bais there then!!
Moron
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,#
Date: 19 May 14 - 10:36 AM

The level of erudition here has risen to new lows.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 May 14 - 11:17 AM

TC,
No it wasn't.

Yes, it was TC.
The childrens' programme encouraging small children to exterminate all Jewish people was broadcast on Al-Aqsa TV, the official Hamas-run television channel broadcasting from Gaza, and that is confirmed above by The Spectator and other reliable sources.
Just because you sign yourself TC, no need to overdo it.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 May 14 - 11:20 AM

TC,
There again, Israel has promised to reduce Tehran to a glowing puddle.

I was not aware of that.
Please supply the evidence, or were you just living up to your signature again TC?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 May 14 - 03:25 PM

TC, Iran has no nukes to deter.
Israel has had them for years.
Israel has never threatened Iran with them.
Your claim was false.
Made up.
You do not choose not to substantiate, you just can't.
How thick of you was that TC?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 May 14 - 03:28 PM

And, I do not call you "thick cunt" TC.

I call you TC because that is how you sign yourself, but you are being very thick and cuntish about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 May 14 - 03:45 AM

Something I have often said is do not place too much reliance on statistics. Not to do with this topic but this story just shows why I never take any notice of 'official figures say...'

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Teribus
Date: 20 May 14 - 04:12 AM

"I'm not here to provide evidence."

Well Musket quite right too – why change the habit of a lifetime, you have never backed up any of your shit-stirringly outrageous claims before so why start now when we all know that the exercise would be fruitless.

Talking about one's inability to use a computer, could you please translate the following into something that even remotely makes sense?

"If you don't know to debate, join some research club or other."

"If you don't know to debate" WTF does that mean FFS? Or is it just missing a "how"? Keith is correct by the way in his assertion that he only calls you TC because that is how you sign yourself off at the end of each post – it should of course be DITC – standing for Demonstrably Ignorant TC

"your track record in finding things is pretty fucking dire."

Having read through the exchanges on a number of threads Musket I'd say that Keith's track record and ability at finding things to blow your arguments out of the water happens to be a damned sight better (For that read light years ahead) than your own.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 20 May 14 - 04:55 AM

Get your key worker to help you to write that Terribulus?

Still unintelligible bollocks tell him.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Teribus
Date: 20 May 14 - 05:39 AM

Only to you Musket - Only to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Teribus
Date: 20 May 14 - 06:14 AM

"Demo" you would not know truth, logic or fact if collectively they all jumped up and bit you on the arse - and any glorified "bean counter" who describes themselves as being "fucking important" is merely delusional.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 May 14 - 07:47 AM

"Are Keith A Hole of Hertford and Terribulus the same person?"
Don't think so - but I think they take turns (along with little Boo Boo) in sharing the same brain - hence the quality of their offerings.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 20 May 14 - 08:33 AM

Bean counter?

That aimed at me?

Retired CEO perhaps. I was never clever enough with numbers to be a bean counter. No good at scoring at a dart board for that matter. I always made sure I had a decent bean counter though. Shareholders count and all that. Don't ask me about NHS bean counting all the same. The more I try the less I understand. That's because I'm not in love with myself in the same way your posts show you to be. If you can explain, no really explain how resource limit and cash limit are complimentary tools, the chancellor will thank you, never mind me.

Out of interest, I can't be a bean counter because I don't have a job. Both the academic chair and the strategic work in healthcare are honorary. I'm obviously too fucking important to be poor.

Zzz


Of course I'm "fucking important." The distinction between that and being important, whatever that means, is only recognisable by intelligent people. Which is why Keith, his pet worm and you are the only ones bandying it about as if it has currency. I think, though I could be wrong, it started when Keith couldn't understand how people could form their own opinions rather than cut and paste someone else's from a dubious internet site then defy anyone to say differently. He'll go far that lad. {snigger}

Jim seems to have it on the button. Whether it's a brain or just a Cornish pasty keeping their tabs apart is another matter though.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 20 May 14 - 08:47 AM

Meet Sakdiyah, a young Indonesian who is fighting Islamic fundamentalism with her chosen weapon - comedy.

The Moral Courage Project

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Teribus
Date: 20 May 14 - 10:55 AM

Strategic work in Healthcare? Ah back to the Staffordshire Hospital again eh - where the survival rate was better had you been on footpatrol in Sangin District, Helmand Province, Afghanistan unarmed wearing flip-flops, T-shirt and shorts.

What is that hospital trust that was taken in hand and "privatised" because it was over £40 million in debt and was handed over to the staff to run? Out of debt completely this year and expected to make a profit next year?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 May 14 - 11:10 AM

Meet some Jews opposed to Israeli terrorism
Jim Carroll

JEWISH VOICE FOR PEACE

THIS IS NOT JEWISH

BIRTHRIGHT TRIPS MUST END

AMERICAN JEWS AGAINST ISRAELI POLICIES

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 20 May 14 - 11:25 AM

Here come da Jews, here come da Jews!

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: akenaton
Date: 20 May 14 - 01:40 PM

Sad to see one of the most able and respected debaters on the forum (Mr T) getting involved with someone who makes a habit of breaking the cardinal rule.....always tell the truth.

I'm afraid only admin can put an end to the tactics he uses, to close threads and obfuscate issues.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Teribus
Date: 21 May 14 - 02:22 AM

No real fear of that Akenaton, as there is no debate or discussion with either, they simply invent and make stuff up to support their rather ridiculous arguments then retreat behind a barrage of foul-mouthed unpleasantness when their falsehoods are torn to shreds. As stated previously neither Carroll or Musket would recognise the truth, logic or fact if all collectively jumped up and bit them on their arses.

What they lack totally is any sense of perspective, a classic example of this from Musket on this thread:

Keith A submits a link clearly showing official Hamas broadcasters in Gaza repeatedly putting words into the mouths of children who were little more than toddlers getting them to enthusiastically talk about them killing Jews when they got older. Musket's response was to state that Christianity was just as bad getting people to sing hymns such as "Jesus wants me for a sunbeam", "Onward Christian Soldiers" (adopted as by the Salvation Army IIRC) and "Fight the good fight". Absolutely ridiculous example of comparing apples to oranges.

"Jesus wants me for a sunbeam" - Original version by Nellie Talbot. A children's hymn - here is a sample, the lyrics for the second verse:

"Jesus wants me to be loving,
And kind to all I see;
Showing how pleasant and happy,
His little ones can be."

Rum F''k Musket how hateful can it get!!!! Doesn't it just inspire you to go out and kill people? Reading the lyrics through from start to finish reveals that it is a song with no reference to violence whatsoever.

"Onward Christian Soldiers" - No mention of death at all in the lyrics

"Fight the Good Fight" - Is about life not death.

But one thing you can consistently say about and depend upon with Musket - he does so much revel in making a complete and utter arse of himself.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 21 May 14 - 10:58 AM

Away from this thread for a bit, but find it hasn't moved much. But there's still dear old Musket, calling me "confused".

This, note, is the shining intellect whose great piece of logic is that all religions are nonsense so he refuses to 'discriminate' between different ones.

And doesn't get that this is precisely analagous to saying he doesn't like being ill, so he refuses to 'discriminate' between cancer and a cold.

And calls me "confused"!

Bless!!!

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 21 May 14 - 12:40 PM

Ah. Bigotry is more entertaining when it is blind..

Christ thy right.

If brainwashing children isn't fucking obscene, what is?

You are right. I don't discriminate between religions. They are all delusions and comfort blankets and they are all used to abuse the natural superstition of simple folk.

Anything wrong with that statement? When someone says it is God's will, isn't there something slightly unhinged about them? When people thank a fairy story character, it is quaint. But when they ask a fairy story character to guide their feelings towards other people...

Hey, Terribulus! Want to see nasty men putting things into the mouths of children? Keep an eye on Catholic priests, they are good at it till they get caught.

When you talk to Akenaton about lying and making things up, don't you feel just a wee bit ironic? Or does your defence of religion go as far as agreeing with his awful homophobia?

I love Mudcat. They say there is one in every village but we appear to have a commune of them here. Just as well real people don't show their sorry arse every time they spout a view eh?

If you are concerned about ailments Michael, ask nurse. They are listed in your care plan. Do you really think that people who see religion as religion and don't see one cult as better than another can't tell the difference between a cold and cancer?

Do you still think Mr Patel at the corner shop should be treated with suspicion in case he may be related to a terrorist? How many Irish people do you hide from in the street? Would it be the same terrorists who killed Princess Di on the orders of Prince Philip?

The older they get, the dafter they get.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 21 May 14 - 12:57 PM

Like I said

Confused.com

As ever was

In ♠♠♠♠♠♠♠♠♠♠♠♠♠♠♠


LoL Musket

At you not with you

You'd be pathetic if not quite so high-lairigh-ous

Pity that Missing·The·Point not an Olympic sport

Gold medal cert, you

And to think I once rated you as showing some glimmerings of an intellect

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 22 May 14 - 03:58 AM

Don't worry. The feeling was never reciprocated. Semi humorous at times, expert in HTML but occasionally a wee bit of poo pops out.

There is a way to deal with your fear.   Eat your greens. They are supposed to eliminate free radicals. If you add Jerusalem artichokes to your diet, they may be able to distinguish between decent Christian free radicals and naughty Muslim free radicals too.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 May 14 - 05:26 AM

Thank you for your most witty rejoinder, Musk. At least, I take it to be so, but unhappily labour under the somewhat deleterious handicap of lacking the remotest inkling of what the blazes you are on about. Still, no doubt your meaning is hyaline clear to yourself.

One or two points I continue to urge, mind. OK, so you didn't accept [tho I couldn't quite see why] my cancer/cold 'discrimination' analogy to your refusal to 'discriminate' between religions, whatever their varying effects.

Well, then: we all agree that crimes are bad things, don't we? So do you refuse to 'discriminate' between the man who rapes a helpless woman and then murders her, and a little girl in a supermarket who fancies a sweetie so hides one in her pocket till she gets outside without paying for it, so is guilty of theft {'shoplifting' as such, is not an individual offence}. I mean, they are both guilty of crimes, and crimes are nasty; so, according to Muskey logic, we shouldn't 'discriminate' between them, should we?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 14 - 06:16 AM

Your comparison between rape and murder and stealing sweeties is more than a little fatuous doncha think Mike?
An Israeli regime that facilitated the massacre of 3,500 refugees may not measure up numerically to the annihilation of 6,000,000 human beings, but there is little to choose between motivation of both.
This is why, I believe, it is valid to compare such actions one with the other and why is it equally permissible to compare what now appears to be happening in Israel with what happened in South Africa.
By the way, I intended to respond to your 'whoops' apology on the other thread, but Mudcat appears to be only intermittently accessible here in the Wild West
No apologies needed, would that all our differences were as trivial!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 22 May 14 - 06:29 AM

Yeah Michael. I don't distinguish between the length of a car and the length of a double decker bus either. I don't distinguish between....

I don't distinguish between religions as being religions. What is difficult about that? I know Christians pray with their fingers crossed, Muslims pray with their arse in the air and Sikhs get fed afterwards. They are distinctions of process, not concept.

As I have never been a Christian, Muslim or anything else for that matter, I don't have any affinity with any of them. Some of my friends are Christians, some of my friends are Muslims, etc etc. Why should I lean towards one group over another on the basis of history?

As the last Archbishop of Canterbury pointed out last month, we are a post Christian society. The traditions still inform our way of life in terms of which day of the week we get a lay in, which dates we get pissed and promise to like each other and what time B&Q shuts on a Sunday. But after that, I fail to see why one cult should have any more influence over me than another?

Are you saying I don't distinguish between Sheffield Wednesday and groups of 11 men who try to play football?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 May 14 - 07:22 AM

Jim, IDF did not facilitate any of the massacres in that camp.
They did stop one of them though.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 May 14 - 07:57 AM

"Jim, IDF did not facilitate any of the massacres in that camp."
Yes they did
Transporting the killers to the site, allowing access to the camp, providing illumination so the massacre could continue for three nights without hesitation, armed Israeli troops eye-witnessing the slaughter and doing nothing to prevent it, transporting the killers away from the scene and building a sports stadium over the mass graves - all is a matter of historical record gathered from unbiased investigators.
The only thing in Israel's defence ifs their denial
The British left Palestine to the sound of hand grenades being hurled into the (sometimes occupied) homes of Arabs whose forbears who had occupied that territory for millenia, in order to build what has now become an Apartheid state
The Israeli regime have betrayed the Jewish people by acting like their former persecutors, and fanatics like yourself, who defend that betrayal by persistent denial of their recorded crimes are part of that betrayal.
Equating those crimes with being 'Jewish' is a smear on the six million who died - it is pissing on their memory.
Jim Carroll.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 May 14 - 08:17 AM

I hoped you might have something new, but no.
Same old discredited stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 22 May 14 - 08:44 AM

In Iran, happy gets you arrested

(CNN) -- Tehran's police chief was deeply offended. "It's obscene," he declared, and promptly arrested six young men and women who made a joyful fan video, dancing and lip-synching to the sound of Pharrell Williams' huge hit, "Happy."

http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/21/opinion/ghitis-iran-happy-video/

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: bobad
Date: 22 May 14 - 09:11 AM

"Gender equality and Women's Rights are a Jewish Conspiracy against Muslims because Jews and Christians are jealous that only Muslims posesses Islamic Sharia and they don't"

Jews and Christians Try to Destroy Muslim Women

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 22 May 14 - 11:30 AM

I've yet to see a religion that is happy with people enjoying themselves or seeing everybody as equal.... The three versions of "the book"being the most misogynist and bigoted of them all.