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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Jim Carroll Date: 07 Jun 14 - 01:21 PM At least you can go camping in France and Spain without anybody sending in troops in to massacre the campers and rape the women, or pour burning phosphorus that burns the faces off children. I doubt if many of the sites there have armed guards on the gates to humiliate those going in and out or force musicians to play them a tune to entertain the guards.... or all the things designed to persecute and degrade those whose ethnic and cultural faces don't fit. Give us a breal Mike and ******* grow up. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: MGM·Lion Date: 07 Jun 14 - 01:39 PM Hope you're always in Dublin good and early on a Sunday, Carroll Shit4brains, to get a good place outside St Patrick's for all the malign beheadings after Mass |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: MGM·Lion Date: 07 Jun 14 - 01:41 PM Oh, it's 'grow up' is it, you infantile tit? Why should I give a break to such a malign swine coo; a rhyme too. Maybe there is a god... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Jim Carroll Date: 07 Jun 14 - 01:46 PM School time again Mike And you call me "bad loser" Tsk, tsk Any religion will persecute to the extent it is allowed to Never once witnessed a beheading in Southall or Balham, or along Merton Road Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: MGM·Lion Date: 07 Jun 14 - 07:52 PM Though I can often see where you are coming from when you make the point, Jim, I must say that you tend rather to overuse this "schoolboy abuse" denunciation as a sort of kneejerk get-out when you can't quite think of a better argument. It doesn't bug or distress me particularly -- but just perhaps a point for you to think of re your so very frequent invocation of it. Off to bed. It's nearly 0100. Heigh-ho. Goo'night ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Steve Shaw Date: 07 Jun 14 - 08:27 PM Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs Islamic law is to be effectively enshrined in the British legal system for the first time under guidelines for solicitors on drawing up "Sharia compliant" wills. Under ground-breaking guidance, produced by The Law Society, High Street solicitors will be able to write Islamic wills that deny women an equal share of inheritances and exclude unbelievers altogether. Why, yet another piece of bone-idle, lazy, received-"wisdom" bobad-minnowism. Ground-breaking my arse. Anybody in this country can write a will leaving their dough to absolutely anyone they like. I can leave a will leaving all my bloody dosh to the cat's home if I want, and, as long as it's my money and not our money, the missus could do nothing about it. If it's our money and not my money, or property, I can't, and nothing in Sharia or anything else in this country can overturn that. Well, I suppose I could try, but it wouldn't bloody work. Do try to educate yourself. Hang on: can pork educate pork...? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Musket Date: 08 Jun 14 - 06:57 AM You just get inbred pork. Which leads us to an article in The Daily Telegraph.... In order to ensure they are not brought to book for inciting Islamaphobia, you read it twice and the second time it is clear that under UK law, nothing is altered and you can leave what you like to whom you like and anyone who doesn't like that has the legal right to contest. It. Guidelines have been drawn, a while ago now, to help people reconcile the law requirements with their cultural ones. I am as vocal about Islam trying to influence outside those who wish it as I am with Christian organisations, but the bullshit and phobia around it is worthy of pointing and laughing. Of course, this Friday, I shall be outside the Sheffield mosque waiting to see the beheadings.... Zzzzzzzzz If you want to see Sharia law in action here legally, look no further than the constitution of ACAS the arbitration and reconciliation service. Better still, look at a magistrates bench. Arbitration by people deemed learned in handing down binding decisions when both parties agree to their deliberations. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: MGM·Lion Date: 09 Jun 14 - 04:36 AM The brilliant pundit-journalist Melanie Phillips writes in this morning's Times: "It is a striking paradox that the more is revealed about the danger in Britain of Islamic terrorism, the more resistance there is to attempts to defend the country against it. The Security Service has warned that several thousand Britons are known to be involved in such terrorism and that monitoring all of them is impossible. Yet virtually every proposal to beef up security — detaining terrorism suspects without charge for 90 days, deportation of foreign terror suspects, control orders and so on — has met ferocious resistance." Ill-disposed Islamists + well-meaning kneejerk lefty do·gooding "racist"-screamers are robbing of our nation of the will to live. And I get mocked by such on here for being scared for the future, with silly sneers about "yellow peril" and such from the likes of Wotsit & Unowho. For heavens sake, all of you ~~ wake up before it's too late. ~M~ Oh, what's the use? No use taking sense to the senseless. Go back to bed Michael, and let them [or their children & grandchildren] stew in their own juice. You won't be there, anyhow... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: akenaton Date: 09 Jun 14 - 05:25 AM They don't hate the country Michael, they hate only what they see as "conservatism", law and order, traditional values and standards. They have been programmed to close their minds to anything which contradicts their ideology.....I think it's some sort of virus, and it actually does "come through the telly!!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Jim Carroll Date: 09 Jun 14 - 05:47 AM "For heavens sake, all of you ~~ wake up before it's too late." 'THE END OF THE WORLD (AS WE WISH IT) IS NIGH' Give us a break Mikey - you are becoming a caricature cross between a Hooray Henry and Alf Garnett. "lefty do·gooding "racist"-screamers" Given the choice of living next door to most of the Muslims I have met and a ranting, hate-filled rightist Thatcherite manic - no contest. Brilliant pundit", Melanie Phillips is a right wing journalist who, her time, has defended Thatcher's dictatorship, wage cuts, banker's "little weaknesses", hatred of Muslims... and many other anti-democratic causes It seems "brilliance" is dependent on which side of the political ans social divide you speak for Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: MGM·Lion Date: 09 Jun 14 - 05:54 AM I didn't accuse them of hating it, Ake: merely of not seeing the potential harm their built-in unquestioned OK·PC attitudes are doing to it. In reply to whoever it was a bit back, either here or on the other thread [doesn't matter which] who threw up past scares like "yellow peril" & "marxist takeover" & such at me to accuse me of scaremongering over this one: they were perils at the time, at that, but were overcome by resolutely facing them down. This one we are just happily walking into for fear of accusations of the dreaded boo-'r'·word if we even try to do anything to confront or disinfect the dangers. Anyhow, a penny that comes down heads 50 times may still easily come down tails the 51st; and the fact that a dozen severe perils to our security have eventually come to safe conclusions doesn't mean that the 13℔ isn't going to get us. And this present one, by a combination of this complacent refusal even to recognise it as one by Unowho & Witsit, & the worldwide spread & potency of the ideology whence it derives, smells to me as if it might well turn out to be the one. Musket will probably call this a racist statement because he's racism-obsessed, fitted out with his own infallible instamatic racist-detector [available, no doubt, online or at all reputable hardwares]. For some reason, eg, to his convoluted & inexplicable thinking, my perfectly accurate and incontrovertible vanilla assertion, that any well-intentioned & law-abiding Muslim might just have a relative who is not quite so law-abiding & well-intentioned, has him shrieking and slavering and foaming at the mouth that I must be a combination of Torquemada & Julius Streicher & Verwoœrd. Still haven't fathomed out what he's on about there. ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: MGM·Lion Date: 09 Jun 14 - 06:08 AM See? Toldya·so. Nothing if not predictable, dear ole Muski·booz. Teeheeheeheeheehee, my ickle duckidaddles, but aren't you a |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Jim Carroll Date: 09 Jun 14 - 06:16 AM "they were perils at the time" As was actual abuses in schools and churches by church and state protected Christians A Marxist takeover" was never an issue outside the twisted minds of McCarthyites like yourself. From reports in the (London) Times this morning, 'The Islamic 'takeover' of schools has turned out to be a bit of a damp quib, though one Government 'genius' has has proposed "dawn raids" on schools in future - your lot will be suggesting burning books next! Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 09 Jun 14 - 06:30 AM The risk of terrorism by people using a mainstream religion as an excuse is there and real. But the disgusting linking made to British people living their lives quietly and with dignity, whether they be Muslim or too educated to fall for the blame game that ignorant pigs love to use... There have been mass casualty attacks, attempted mass casualty attacks and foiled mass casualty attacks involving Islamists who were outwardly living their lives quietly and with dignity. This is not paranoia but fact. Our security services are overwhelmed by the shear number of people they consider a threat because of their extreme Islamic beliefs. People who regard the public as legitimate targets. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: MGM·Lion Date: 09 Jun 14 - 06:46 AM "You are inadvertently displaying the problem with reactionary ignorance" ,.., I mean, seriously Ian [& resisting the strong temptation to mock that wonderfully outdated pathetic 1930s commie boo word 'reactionary'] HOW? Pleased specify with some conviction what problem I am 'inadvertenly displaying', where, & how? I genuinely, honestly, have not the remotest idea of what you are maundering on about. All v well to make pompous portentous assertions in an accusationary tone; but at least try to give them some substance, please. ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: MGM·Lion Date: 09 Jun 14 - 08:20 AM Further to my piece of 0436 about the Melanie Phillips article in today's Times: a short clip from another article in the same paper, not even on this topic, but supporting the point I emphasised there and again at 0554, about how the fact that previous threats ['yellow peril' &c] have not come to fruition doesn't mean that this Islamist one can't & won't ---- The Times Chief Sports Reporter, Simon Barnes, on how there are always concerns before Olympics, World Cups, &c, about how things won't be ready in time, but so far they have always managed to be, writes, "There are always scare stories. And one day one of them will turn out to be true. To believe that something that hasn't happened before couldn't happen at all is history's most popular mistake (Louis XVI: 'The French people are incapable of regicide.')" ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Steve Shaw Date: 09 Jun 14 - 08:26 AM I've strongly suspected for a while that Michael has lost it (his recent burbling posts, often bereft of any content connected to the argument appear to be strong evidence in that direction), but he's now confirmed it by hitching his wagon to Melanie Phillips. With allies like that... Hahahahaha! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: MGM·Lion Date: 09 Jun 14 - 08:36 AM Butt out, Shaw, you pathetic little pain. Away & play with your cuddly teddy -- or something... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Jim Carroll Date: 09 Jun 14 - 08:40 AM "There have been mass casualty attacks, attempted mass casualty attacks and foiled mass casualty attacks involving Islamists " As there have been against Muslims by Christians and Buddists - Israel has waged constant warfare against Muslims in Palestine since the creation of the state, and some British bigots have made the lives of peaceable Asians and other Immigrants to Britain both miserable and dangerous for decades, based on racial and cultural hatred as displayed by you and your friends. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Musket Date: 09 Jun 14 - 08:44 AM What do suggest then Keith? Resurrect the home guard with you as Corporal Jones? Stick sentries outside the house of Dr Mahmoud? Arrest anyone with a beard but no moustache? Tell you what, turn the rest of the population against them! Yeah, get your mates with Land Rovers and second hand cammy jackets to beat a few old Pakis up! Whilst they are at it, they can start on queers. And paediatricians, and thespians.... You really like to fantasise about a world where pretend soldiers can be useful, don't you? Thanks all the same, but we have police to deal with anti terrorism. Soldiers are there to interfere with other countries and help old ladies out of flooded houses over here. Do you move your toy soldiers around based on your whim or do you have to throw a dice in order to move them around the kitchen table? Michael, Wot Steve said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: MGM·Lion Date: 09 Jun 14 - 08:45 AM Oh, so that's all right then, is it? What point do you think such whataboutery makes, Jim? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: MGM·Lion Date: 09 Jun 14 - 08:46 AM Musket -- Wot I said back to him |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Musket Date: 09 Jun 14 - 08:51 AM I'll raise you a sanatogen tablet. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Jim Carroll Date: 09 Jun 14 - 09:45 AM My point is as it has been in the beginning - that all religions are capable of extremism and prone to abuse and to single out one of them for special treatment is to be part of that abuse. Of all communities in these islands today, the Muslim ones (in general) are the least likely to be part of abusing other religions - not the crystal-gazing, Cassandra-like predictions you indulge in - proven and often expressed facts. The answer - stop persecuting people you don't like and learn to live with them - whatever the send-'em-all back merchants would wish, they are here to say and they have proven an asset. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Musket Date: 09 Jun 14 - 11:10 AM A hospital trust I visited last week sent me their potted statistics. Their catchment area is very white British, running at 83% and 12% Easten European. The small rest of the local population? Add a few takeaways and you are basically left with professionals, mainly in NHS. Easy. 52% of the doctors, (consultant and staff grade) are Muslim. At another hospital a few years ago whilst there on behalf of a regulator, I investigated an issue of a nurse with a long dangling chain with a crucifix being asked not to wear it, in line with the uniform code, in line with infection control considerations. She was taking this further, trust only interested in respecting foreigners etc etc, the usual caring Christian attitude we know and love.... In the meantime, I asked three Muslim nurses about bare below the elbows, touching men and other Islamic taboos. All three stated that you leave your faith at the door when caring for patients. If a trust supplies disposable arm covers, great. If not, get on with it. A Muslim doctor told me he was hugely concerned by the nurse pushing her Christianity against sensible health precautions as other people, including many Muslim healthcare professionals might follow the idea as many have a genuine cultural aversion to some of the things they are asked to do but see their care for patients as more important. We are a multicultural society. Asking what WE do about THEM just shows the dinosaur mentality of an unfortunate chav element. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: MGM·Lion Date: 09 Jun 14 - 11:13 AM Oh, for heavens sake stop being so naive, Jim. Forget about what an asset Islam has been to some of the population of Wolverhampton or Bradford; and what a pest those silly Christian fools in Kansas have been. Worldwide, there is one religion that is streets ahead of all the others in the "unacceptable practices in the name of the Faith" stakes. And it is the one too in which the duty and injunction to spread the faith is strongest by any measure. And you know it. And anyone with the sense they were born with knows it. And if you pretend this isn't so, then you show yourself to be intellectually so far beneath contempt with regard to the topic of this thread that it will cease to be worthwhile for anyone of any sense to address another word to you on the topic, or read another one which you might post. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: beardedbruce Date: 09 Jun 14 - 11:17 AM LONDON (AP) — Government inspectors in Britain said Monday there was a "culture of fear and intimidation" at several schools investigated over allegations of a plot to run them along strict Islamic lines. The Office for Standards in Education, or OFSTED, said five of 21 schools it inspected in the central English city of Birmingham failed to protect students from extremism. The inspections were spurred by an anonymous letter alleging a plot called "Operation Trojan Horse" by hardline Muslims to infiltrate Birmingham schools. Authorities believe the letter was a hoax, but the alleged plot has inflamed tensions in Britain's second-largest city and sparked a public feud between senior government ministers over the best way to confront extremist ideas. Chief schools inspector Michael Wilshaw said there was evidence of an "organized campaign to target certain schools" by some members of their boards of governors. Inspectors said governors tried inappropriately to influence the curriculum at some schools, promoting a "narrow faith-based ideology" and in one case attempting to ban mixed-sex swimming lessons. http://www.mail.com/news/world/2903676-inspectors-criticize-schools-islamist-plot.html#.7518-stage-subhero1-4 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Greg F. Date: 09 Jun 14 - 11:44 AM Hey, BS Bruce: ya forgot to post the last line of the article, so I'll do it for ya: "The OFSTED reports find absolutely no evidence of this because this is categorically not what is happening at our schools," he said |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: MGM·Lion Date: 09 Jun 14 - 11:53 AM "all religions are capable of extremism and prone to abuse and to single out one of them for special treatment is to be part of that abuse." .,,. And more on this idiotically ingenuous [or DISingenuous] point of Jim's ~~ There is only one religion which has a political as well as religious dimension, one religion which is simultaneously effectively the governing authority of sovereign states within the world community. And in pretty well every one where it is, its rule is tyrannical oppressive, "medieval" [for want of a better word] in its penalties and sanctions for crime; which crimes are largely not even illegal in more rationally governed countries. Just show me the country where you will be hanged if you say you really would rather stop being a practising Christian or Jew or Buddhist or Hindu or Flying-Spaghetti-Monster-Worshipper. Stoned to death for what they call adultery, which isn't even in its true meaning illegal here, and they only mean 'fornication by it anyhow', and not many of our young people would even survive adolescence if... Just one. Go on. ONE?! Obviously, in world terms, such a one must be 'singled out for special attention' from the community of nations; and 'singled out for special attention' to make very sure that its compulsion for spreading its word universally is not allowed to obtain too much leverage in nations where it has not contrived to get the upper hand yet. "What "abuse", for crying out loud, does Jim see such considerations as "part of"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: beardedbruce Date: 09 Jun 14 - 12:02 PM GregF, The rest of the article (Not just YOUR quote from the person being accused): "Staff and some head teachers variously described feeling 'intimidated', 'undermined' or 'bullied' by governors, and sometimes by senior staff, into making changes they did not support," Wilshaw said. Of the schools inspected by OFSTED, five were classed as failing and placed under special measures, 12 were told they needed to make improvements and three were praised. Park View Educational trust, which runs three of the criticized schools, rejected the inspectors' verdict. Vice chairman David Hughes said the inspectors "came to our schools looking for extremism, looking for segregation, looking for proof that our children have religion forced upon them as part of an Islamic plot." "The OFSTED reports find absolutely no evidence of this because this is categorically not what is happening at our schools," he said. So YOUR post is of no value to the discussion, as you have demonstrated may times in the past. You do know that your treatment of guinea pigs and other small animals would get you executed under Sharia Law, don't you, GregF? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Greg F. Date: 09 Jun 14 - 12:19 PM Hi, BS Bruce- Can you supply EVIDENCE -rather than your customary abuse & BS- that 'The OFSTED reports find absolutely no evidence of extremism, segregation, or proof that our children have religion forced upon them as part of an Islamic plot' is untrue? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Musket Date: 09 Jun 14 - 12:20 PM Bearded Bruce. If you don't understand what you are typing / pasting, either ask a friend or leave the bullshit to the real experts. Keith, Michael and Poo Bad are streets ahead of you in spreading lies and bullshit in order to demonise a huge number of British people. Your bit about Sharia Law and guinea pigs is wonderful. I sent a link to this page to a colleague who us writing a paper on understanding fear and bigotry. Ooh he... Under Sharia law, your beard would be removed and your sonnets burned! And then they get a spaceman to prod you before beheading you in front of ... By the way, the OFSTED report and the reaction by heads affected is now available on the BBC News website. The most interesting bit is the role of Michael Gove and his party leadership spat with the Home Secretary. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: beardedbruce Date: 09 Jun 14 - 12:32 PM GuineaPig GregF, HERE is the ENTIRE article. WHat part do you have a problem with? The statement BY THE ACCUSED that he does not support with facts? THAT is YOUR standard - I guess you WOULD give him full credit and assume it is true in spite of the facts (Unless he is Jewish, of course) LONDON (AP) — Government inspectors in Britain said Monday there was a "culture of fear and intimidation" at several schools investigated over allegations of a plot to run them along strict Islamic lines. The Office for Standards in Education, or OFSTED, said five of 21 schools it inspected in the central English city of Birmingham failed to protect students from extremism. The inspections were spurred by an anonymous letter alleging a plot called "Operation Trojan Horse" by hardline Muslims to infiltrate Birmingham schools. Authorities believe the letter was a hoax, but the alleged plot has inflamed tensions in Britain's second-largest city and sparked a public feud between senior government ministers over the best way to confront extremist ideas. Chief schools inspector Michael Wilshaw said there was evidence of an "organized campaign to target certain schools" by some members of their boards of governors. Inspectors said governors tried inappropriately to influence the curriculum at some schools, promoting a "narrow faith-based ideology" and in one case attempting to ban mixed-sex swimming lessons. "Staff and some head teachers variously described feeling 'intimidated', 'undermined' or 'bullied' by governors, and sometimes by senior staff, into making changes they did not support," Wilshaw said. Of the schools inspected by OFSTED, five were classed as failing and placed under special measures, 12 were told they needed to make improvements and three were praised. Park View Educational trust, which runs three of the criticized schools, rejected the inspectors' verdict. Vice chairman David Hughes said the inspectors "came to our schools looking for extremism, looking for segregation, looking for proof that our children have religion forced upon them as part of an Islamic plot." "The OFSTED reports find absolutely no evidence of this because this is categorically not what is happening at our schools," he said. http://www.mail.com/news/world/2903676-inspectors-criticize-schools-islamist-plot.html#.7518-stage-subhero1-4 Musket, GregF has a long history of abusing small animals. He has never denied it. STATEMENT OF FACT. But he has a problem, always running out of duct-tape... My beard is well within the standards of Sharia law. As for the poetry, Qu'ran Sura 37:36 back at you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Jim Carroll Date: 09 Jun 14 - 01:16 PM "Worldwide, there is one religion that is streets ahead of all the others in the "unacceptable practices in the name of the Faith"" There have always been worldwide practices in faiths - some of them still happening - we're coping with some of them in Ireland and looking back on the results of others at at the moment (I can hear the news from the other room) What the **** do you expect to be done with these people you appear to hate so much? Ghettoise them on Salisbury Plain - or maybe there's another Guantanamo Bay going begging somewhere? Fit them all with security tags? Send them back to where they come from angry and with something to hate us for, into the arms of the fanatics (more or less what happened because the word stood by and did nothing about Assad's slaughter). Maybe scientists can find a procedure to medically extract their religion from them? Perhaps we could gas them all - perhaps not, didn't work last time? It's almost possible to see the froth around your mouth from here in the far west Bloody head-case - time for your rabies shot, I think. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Greg F. Date: 09 Jun 14 - 01:57 PM I READ the entire article (which apparently you did not) before I responded to your BS, Bruce. You have STILL supplied no evidence that Mr. David Hughes is wrong, just more BS and childish abuse. Oh, and of course your usual idiotic "anti-Semetic" jab, which is also bullshit. Do look up the info per the BBC mentioned by Musket. And actually read it - before you make an arsehole of yourself. Again. (Still?) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: beardedbruce Date: 09 Jun 14 - 02:02 PM GregF, Try reading for COMPREHENSION. "The Office for Standards in Education, or OFSTED, said five of 21 schools it inspected in the central English city of Birmingham failed to protect students from extremism. The inspections were spurred by an anonymous letter alleging a plot called "Operation Trojan Horse" by hardline Muslims to infiltrate Birmingham schools. ... Chief schools inspector Michael Wilshaw said there was evidence of an "organized campaign to target certain schools" by some members of their boards of governors. Inspectors said governors tried inappropriately to influence the curriculum at some schools, promoting a "narrow faith-based ideology" and in one case attempting to ban mixed-sex swimming lessons. "Staff and some head teachers variously described feeling 'intimidated', 'undermined' or 'bullied' by governors, and sometimes by senior staff, into making changes they did not support," Wilshaw said." But then YOU are fine with bullying and intimidation, as that is your normal mode of discussion. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Jun 14 - 02:10 PM When the tide turns Just because I have just seen Vin, I love the optimism in the song and it may just have some significance that I cannot at present put my finger on :-) DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: MGM·Lion Date: 09 Jun 14 - 02:13 PM You're a fool, Jim Carroll. I have absolutely given up any hope of ever getting any sense into your stupid, thick, illiterate turnip-head. & I say 'illiterate' advisedly, in full consideration of its literal meaning, because you are absolutely incapable of reading with any scintilla of comprehension the most simple piece of writing set before you. Just go away and commune with your halfwitted self; and I hope it may keep fine for you. ~M~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Jim Carroll Date: 09 Jun 14 - 02:49 PM "You're a fool," And you are a bigoted hypocrite. I gave you a list of options - do you have any of your own? God save us all from the descendants of the persecuted! Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Musket Date: 09 Jun 14 - 03:00 PM Spooky. I was listening to Vin singing that on the way home earlier. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Musket Date: 09 Jun 14 - 03:35 PM Hey Bruce! Do the Christian courts, the ones where you can swear by the bible, do they give out justice as per the bible? Eye for an eye! Help! Don't let these Christians take over! They let you keep slaves, concubines and bugger under 16s! It's all there in their bible you know.... Prat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Steve Shaw Date: 09 Jun 14 - 03:39 PM But then YOU are fine with bullying and intimidation Well, bearded bruce, or bb, or ...shit... Bibi... - aargh.... I'm not happy with bullying and intimidation either, and I'm also not happy with OFSTED. This lot has got let's-have-a-leftie-bashing-Islamophobic-witch-hunt-before-the-next-election written all over it. Over the previous six months to two years, that self-same OFSTED had found all the schools to be really good, often outstanding. The original Trojan-horse letter was almost certainly a fake. We are talking about schools that have achieved outstanding results in a very deprived area. The schools' reputations are undiminished. On the other hand, the government and OFSTED are in a state of severe disrepute. Only the toadying right-wing press can save them. Which they will. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: MGM·Lion Date: 09 Jun 14 - 03:40 PM But they don't still, in the C21, run their judicial systems in strict LITERAL accordance with it, as in Yemen, Saudi, Sudan, Somalia, N Nigeria (cont p 94), do they? Prat! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 09 Jun 14 - 04:06 PM Jim, all the mass casualty attacks and attempts were made here in UK and are the only indiscriminate deliberate mass casualty attacks here since WW2 60 years ago. Your "As there have been against Muslims by Christians and Buddists - Israel has...." is irrelevant to our experience here. Musket, "what should we do." We should not allow them to change our system and way of life. We should not allow them to spread and inculcate hate between our communities. We should be vigilant and alert. We should not be complacent and pretend that there is no threat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Dave the Gnome Date: 09 Jun 14 - 05:11 PM Austin! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Greg F. Date: 09 Jun 14 - 05:22 PM Only the toadying right-wing press can save them. With, of course, the assistance of eejits like BS Bruce; Who STILL hasn't presented any actual evidence that Mr. Hughes is wrong - only what someone "said" - which passes for fact in BS Bruce's world, apparently. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Greg F. Date: 09 Jun 14 - 05:29 PM And as for Keith - its hopeless. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Steve Shaw Date: 09 Jun 14 - 06:10 PM Anyone see Wilshaw with Paxo tonight? Ever see a bloke looking so bloody uneasy and unhappy, blotchy face, ever so slightly sweaty, clearly following political orders? This bloke is supposed to be in charge of Ofsted, which, you'd have thought, should have been well sorted after all these years (by way of anecdote, the only Ofsted inspector to observe my lessons had been on the beer during his jolly at the Falcon in Bude the night before. A panic-stricken Year 8 lad who'd been sitting near him on the back row of my lab came dashing up to me: "Mr Shaw! I dunno if that bloke's all right but he's making funny noises!" When I went to investigate I found the bloke asleep, sweaty, smelly and snoring. He later told me my lesson was good...). I also know another Ofsted inspector who had had to leave teaching on mental health grounds but who got back as an Ofsted inspector after two days' training. I remember him ringing me up before he nailed his Ofsted job to ask me to ask the deputy head at my school if there were any vacancies for supply work, though he specified that he couldn't possibly manage more than a couple of days a week as his mental state wouldn't be able to take it. Not exactly an insider's view, obviously, but a possible corrective for anyone who thinks that Ofsted is anything like a legitimate organisation. I could say a lot more, really I could! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 10 Jun 14 - 03:19 AM Dave, I was referring to UK. Greg, identify an error or misapprehension in my post. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . . From: GUEST,Musket Date: 10 Jun 14 - 03:23 AM Keith as ever with his inadvertent insight gets to the nub of the issue. WE shouldn't allow etc THEM blah blah Here's the question. Are WE UK citizens regardless and are THEY terrorists? Or don't you include Tahir and Iqbaal in your "we?" Should Keith and his flak jacket cronies tell British people to change their culture to suit his? Perhaps if they shut that nasty mosque and started swelling the empty pews in nice loving inclusive churches instead eh? I recall you supporting the idea of faith schools Keith. Well done, this is what you get. Assuming it is what you get. I'm not convinced of either argument just yet. OFSTED complain of cronyism and families getting jobs. The newspapers link this with Islam. Err.. If it is true, and it may well be, it is cultural, not a facet of a religion. Shallow people are quick to link culture to religion when it suits them. I'm a rational person but to a bloke in Jeddah, my thoughts and deeds would be seen as Christian as that is how the west is portrayed and taken up by ignorant people. Ditto some of the ignoramuses and paranoid bigots who think they can rant on Mudcat without reality occasionally pointing and laughing at them. |