BS: Islamic radicalism . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 01:50 PM

Who alleged that an entire people was responsible? But an entire ideology as widely interpreted by those agreed by adherents to be authorised to do so might just be a different matter. It's called Sharia, Jihad, Ahmadiyya, among other things. Quite widely accepted it appears. Have you heard about it?

Of course, if asked what he thinks of the late Mr Rigby being 'the late', no doubt Mr Carroll would make all sorts of noises of generalised disapproval. And to think he has accused me of 'lip-service' before now, in relation to the most acute disappointment of my whole life, the betrayal of all my generation's hopes and aspirations by the present administration of the State of Israel.

For shame, James

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 01:32 PM

No Mike - it was religious fanatics wot dunnit, not the Muslim peopel as a whole - nasty thing, religious fanaticism, whoever carries it out.
Nearly as bad as the bigotry that condemns an entire culture for the crimes of a few criminals.
Good job you haven't an irrational fear of spiders, otherwise we'd all be overrun by flies.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 01:24 PM

The words in the link "...unsigned and unverified document..." suggest that there isn't as yet much solid evidence. But all schools have to be inspected regularly, and having myself suffered Ofsted Inspections, there isn't much that gets past their scrutiny. They interview parents, staff, community members, ancillary workers, pupils, managers, the lot. If they're any good at all, they'll spot any anomalies in the school's systems.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 01:20 PM

Same old same old    Jim Carroll   , it would appear............



"Using the corpse of a dead soldier as a soapbox for prejudice" --

Oh dear: how pathetically facile, if don't take into account how he came to be dead. Complications following a bout of hay fever, was it? If disapproval of hacking an innocent passer-by to death for none but self-defined 'ideological' reasons is to be defined as 'prejudice', then it can only be by someone with scant conception of what 'prejudice' actually is.

I'm 'prejudiced' against rapists too, as it happens. And 'prejudiced' against fraudulent bankers' And 'prejudiced' against the person who burgled my cousin's house a few years ago & shat on the floor before leaving as a calling card.

And, particularly 'prejudiced' against apologists for all these, who will dismiss reasoned disapproval as 'prejudice'.



Same old same old    Jim Carroll   , it would appear.

AY

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 01:07 PM

"Is the fact that Fusilier Rigby is dead an 'allegation'?"
A statement by those concerned was made on the BBC pointing out that the present investigations have nothing whatever to do with terrorist attacks - nothing that hase been stated since has changed that statement.
"law-breakers, inciting or carrying out attacks, grooming young girls"
Warnings by politicians, police and the judiciary have consistently insisted that none of these are in any way connected with being a Muslim; in fact, they all have warned of the danger of the actions of a tiny handful of fanatics being used by extremist bigots.
The official survey on the link between Islam and these crimes confirmed this and gave the same warnings.
Using the corpse of a dead soldier as a soapbox for prejudice seems to indicate that some people didn't take a lot of notice of those warnings.
Sam old same old, it would appear.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 12:54 PM

So what, Greg? Are these the only factors to be considered? Is the fact that Fusilier Rigby is dead an 'allegation'?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Stringsinger
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 12:01 PM

Non-believers can now be executed in Saudi Arabia.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,#
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 10:29 AM

True, Greg.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 10:28 AM

Do keep in mind that these are allegations, not facts at this point.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,#
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 09:45 AM

I think fifteen schools are being investigated.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Brian May
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 09:18 AM

Not my words Greg, the ex Prime Minister (the one extracted from George W Bush's ass) . . . the current UN Middle East envoy.

It's not so much fear-mongering as acknowledging the problem. There is a current investigation into whether radical islam is infiltrating the education system in Birmingham (ours).

It would appear 'the system' is finally waking up.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 08:43 AM

" curiously reluctant to acknowledge" Islamic extremism.

You're kidding, right?

Here in the US we're fed fear-mongering "Muslims gonna get yo momma" nonsense on a daily basis.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Stu
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 07:29 AM

Another kipper.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Brian May
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 07:21 AM

Ho ho ho, you are a wag . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 06:15 AM

I thought you were into home made guitars, star gazing and saving badgers?

Not all badgers, just the radicalised bastard ones eh?

Subject: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Brian May
Date: 23 Apr 14 - 05:59 AM

Much as I dislike Tony Blair as someone who's caused as much aggravation as he's mitigated, however, I find myself agreeing with him on this statement:

"In significant and controversial intervention, the former Prime Minister suggested that, as a result of failures in Iraq and Afghanistan, governments in Europe and America had become "curiously reluctant to acknowledge" Islamic extremism."

I seem to remember taking a fair bit of flak on this forum for being a 'racist bigot' et al for pointing this out a couple of years ago.

The 'West' ignores this threat to our lifestyle at our peril. Until governments and institutions get 'unafraid' to call a spade a spade (no pun intended) and stop pussy-footing around when dealing with RADICAL Muslims and CRIMINAL Muslims, we are going to remain 'curiously reluctant' to acknowledge and deal with the threat.

In that statement I am referring only (NB - ONLY) to the law-breakers, inciting or carrying out attacks, grooming young girls etc etc, NOT the vast majority of peaceful and law-abiding folk of ANY religion, colour or creed.

It does seem that when the word 'Muslim' is added to the sentence, it suddenly all gets far more complicated for our government both central and local including Law Enforcement agencies.



OK, PC do-gooders brigade . . . your shout . . .