BS: Islamic radicalism . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 09:36 AM

You have hit the nail squarely upon the head Michael.
This attitude prevails in every thread, not just with Jim, but with the whole gang of supposed lefties....they are not really lefties you know, just slightly deluded kids with a media view on life and how things aught to be.....they never allow reality to intrude and truth or facts are merely a distraction.

It's all a bit sad really, something expected from adolescents on Facebook, but not grown men....especially "educated" ones.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 08:38 AM

"I have raised this comment regularly over the years, and will continue to do so, because I feel that it opitomises the racist attitude..."

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OK. Let's try to take this seriously. Leaving aside what it may or may not epitomise, the first thing to ask is, whether there may be any truth in it.

Please not that I am expressing no opinion as to that; merely pointing out that it must be the first thing to be considered.

Jim is constantly reminding me of that scene in Brecht's "The Life Of Galileo" which I mentioned in another context recently (& if ever there was a writer who might just be lefty enough to suit Jim's book, it has to be good old Bert Brecht). Galileo is called before the Inquisition for saying that the Earth moves round the Sun. The prosecuting cardinal opens with the words, "The first thing to be established is whether it would be desirable for the Earth to move round the Sun."

Jim is not starting by asking whether there may or may not be such a cultural tendency as such as Jack Straw, Ann Fryer, Alibhai Brown, Mohammed Sidiqui, et al, thought that there might be in certain sections of certain demographics. He is starting by denouncing the very idea as "the epitome of the racist attitude" threatening certain of our fellow citizens.

But the point to be established first of all, quite apart from what the effects might be if it were, is surely whether such culturally influenced attitudes actually do or do not exist.

But that won't do for Jim. His priority is to establish that they can't possibly do so because they do not accord with the social doctrine of Jim; just as the priority of the Church was to establish that the rotation of the Earth was impossible as it didn't accord with the doctrine of the Church. They threatened Galileo with torture if he didn't recant. Jim threatens us with being denounced by nasty names like racist or fascist if we even admit the very possibility that Straw&Fryer&Alibhai&Sidiqui&all were simply seeing something that was there.

Didn't know what a Jesuit you were at ❤; did you, Jim?

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 08:35 AM

Jim, in that years old thread, my only point was the over-representation.

I always emphasised that religion played no part.
The double quotes show I was just quoting Don's question to answer it.
Those were his words.
Their religion was and is irrelevant.

I did not know or care why they did it, just that they should stop.
I came to believe what Pakistani people like Alibhai-Brown said was the cause, but I had no opinion about it and said so repeatedly.

Can we get back to the subject?
You must have raised this issue a hundred times on a hundred threads and we have been asked over and over to drop it.
My offer to discuss it on pm stands.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 08:29 AM

It is rational to state that "all male Pakistani Muslims have a culturally implanted tendency"
I expected nothing less from somebody who shares those obnoxiously racist views.
I'm sure we both remember somebody making similar claims 70 odd years ago - I'm not prepared to let it pass on the nod, you apparently are, and are prepared to live with it.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 06:56 AM

If Esmeralda is me, as I suspect, then I have summarised my view of your constant idiocies as being just that a few posts up, Jim (21 June 0543 & 0649), and see no point going over it all again. I said, in sum, that you are making a joke and a ludicrous booby of yourself with this constant parroting of a perfectly, in context, rational remark, whose purport you have misinterpreted from the off. You look sillier & sillier & more & more of a pathetic comic turn every time you come out with it again. All you are doing each time is reminding us what Jack Straw, Alibhai-Brown, & all those other luminaries said, which flies right in the face of your jolly good ole ♥-in-right-place but oh-so-imperceptive-of-the-facts-and-realities doctrinaire PC piggipooze.

So do please carry on... Anything for a bit of a giggle these fine days.

☤☤Esmeralda☤☤

aka
~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 05:59 AM

"Jim's claim that I impugned Muslims is shown to be a lie"
""Don I do now " believe that all male Pakistani Muslims have a culturally implanted tendency""
Yeah - sure it is!
Can I make it clear - I have raised this comment regularly over the years, and will continue to do so, because I feel that it opitomises the racist attitude that makes the lives of non British subjects who choose to settle in Britain, as miserable and as dangerous as it is sometimes.
It is raw, crude racism aimed specifically at an entire community and their religion.
We were given dark hints of another explanation for the remark from Esmeralda the Good Fairy - none yet, and certainly none from our born again Christian, but early days yet; there'l be plenty of opportunities in the future (if the world hasn't ended by then, of course!!)
"More than 50 people have been arrested in the UK since 2013 for alleged Syria-related offences."
Those arrested weer detained for preparing to fight in Syrian - "heading for a "terrorist training camp" as oe paper puts it, referring to four arrests.
Others have been arrested for "withholding information" which breached security laws.
The police attitude is that some of those returning "MIGHT" brign violence to Britain on their return - nothing more tangible that that - the extension of the 'suss law' to include what might happen.
In order to do this, they have converted opposition to Assad to "terrorism" and the training for such opposition to "terrorist training camps".
If only those troublesome Syrians had done as they were told in the first place, we wouldn't have had all this mess, and Britain could have continued to supply weapons, chemicals and riot control equipment to keep them in their place, as Keith suggested ages ago.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 04:03 AM

Jim, returning to the threat you deny.
BBC today.

UK police will have to deal with the threat of British fighters returning from Syria for "many years", a top Scotland Yard officer has told the BBC.

Met Assistant Commissioner Cressida Dick said the conflict represented a "long-term" terrorist threat.



One of the men in the video has been identified as aspiring medical student Nasser Muthan, 20, from Cardiff.

Ms Dick - who is currently head of specialist operations including counter terrorism at the Met - warned Britain would face "the consequences" of the conflict in Syria for years.

More than 50 people have been arrested in the UK since 2013 for alleged Syria-related offences.

But Ms Dick would not be drawn on the extent to which UK police have already had to confront security threats from British jihadists fighting in the Middle East.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 10:41 AM

As you say, no particular religion is implied by "Pakistani."
Jim's claim that I impugned Muslims is shown to be a lie.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 10:38 AM

In fairness to me, we were discussing British Pakistanis.

My only point was that they were over-represented in a particular offence, which they were then and much more since.

I also stated that I neither knew nor cared why, but that I believed what British Pakistanis like Yasmin Alibhai-Brown said about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Troubadour.
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 10:22 AM

"Don I do now " believe that all male Pakistani Muslims have a culturally implanted tendency"

These figures are the official statistics on religions in Pakistan, which prides itself on upholding religious freedom:

    Muslims: 181,723,000
    Christians: 2,700,000 (approx. 1.8%)[citation needed]
    Hindus: 1,800,000 (approx. 1.6%[47])
    Buddhists: 106,989[52]
    Sikhs: 30,000
    Zoroastrian/Parsis: 25,000 (many are undocumented migrants from Iran)
    Jews: 200
    Animists, Baha'i, Atheists: n/a

In fairness to Jim, given the figures above showing how many Pakistanis are not Muslim, K A of H's comment undoubtedly aimed only at those who are, since he has chosen to mention them, and only them, in relation to these "cultural" tendencies to commit crimes.

Perhaps the very old argument isn't as old after all.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 10:20 AM

"You have to lie about me to discredit me."
No quote
No justification
Nothuing
Done and dusted - checkmate
See you next time
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,#
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 09:54 AM

"Nothing defines humans better than their willingness to do irrational things in the pursuit of phenomenally unlikely payoffs. This is the principle behind lotteries, dating, and religion.

Scott Adams"

Figured you guys could benefit from that quotation.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 09:41 AM

It was a 3 sentence post.
The first sentence that you always forget because it reveals your lie,
"Don, no one on this thread has claimed any of those things (Muslims are all evil, oppressive, chauvinist, paedophile rapists, made so by their cultural upbringing.)"

If I specifically and repeatedly stated that the Muslim religion was in no way to blame, it is clearly lying to claim otherwise.

You have to lie about me to discredit me.

Again you make a thread into an attack on me personally because you have lost the original debate.
Devious, dishonest despicable.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 09:29 AM

It was in full context of young men preying on young non-Muslim women - you have the link
One lie.
Yourr statement says exactly what it says - that they are implanted to have sex with underage young women because of their culture - repeated over and over by you "culture is everything".
The second sentence is an outright lie - no public figure has ever made such a statement, nor would British law ever allow them to without prosecution, and even if a million of them raised their voices in Trafalgar Square next Sunday, it would still be a profoundly damaging racist statement, whoever made it.
You have never "shown me" a single shred quote from a single public figure implicating the entire male Pakistani population in paedophelia, and you never shall - but you are free to prove me wrong now.
Suggesting that the entire male Muslim male population is implanted is "Muslim implant" whatever way you attempt to juggle it semantically.
Your friend seem to have fallen silent - perhaps he's looking for his pills!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 08:56 AM

It was not " in the context of Muslim Paedophiles."
That is the lie.
I said specifically and repeatedly that it was NOT an issue of religion.

You know that because you have been shown the quotes.
You repeat the lie in the full knowledge that it is a lie.

It was a 3 sentence post.
The first sentence that you always forget because it reveals your lie,

"Don, no one on this thread has claimed any of those things (Muslims are all evil, oppressive, chauvinist, paedophile rapists, made so by their cultural upbringing.)"

The second sentence just says I had come to believe what people like Jasmin Alibhai-Brown were saying, that the culture led to the offending.
Not my opinion, just no reason to disbelieve.

The third sentence asked why you disbelieved what those anti-racist Pakistani people were saying.

"Muslim implant" is a lie made up by you.
Such is your determination to discredit me, but you have to lie because unfortunately I have never actually posted anything you can use against me.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 08:07 AM

Your quote in full – it was in the context of Muslim Paedophiles
Feel free to deny you wrote it and your racism appeasing friend is free to explain it away.
I look forward to both with some interest
Jim Carroll

13 Feb 11 - 07:10 AM
Muslim prejudice thread.
"Don I do now " believe that all male Pakistani Muslims have a culturally implanted tendency" but only because of the testimony of all those knowledgeable people, and always acknowledging that only a tiny minority succumb.
Do you dismiss all that just because it does not fit your preconceptions, or do you have some powerful evidence to the contrary that you have not shared with us?"

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 07:43 AM

Wowzer, Muskititz: was there ever such a milker of unhilarious jokes to death [apart from poor ole Jim qv a few post back] as pathetic-ole-U.

My medication! Wowie! -- well hahahahabloodybloodyha: just mind you don't do some grievous bodily wotzit to all those Mudcatters helplessly holding their sides ROTFLing till dangerously out of breath at that incomparable esprit of yours. My medication: well LoL·LoL·LoL to ∞∞ to be sure!...

The thing is that, just as the cooking sherry one ran aground on the fact that I haven't drunk any alcohol for a dozen or so years; so I took myself off the medication my docs kept prescribing a couple of years ago, & have felt incomparably better ever since. Quite healthy enuff to get the better of any facetious ohohoho's produced by the likes of any pathetic old Rustigun-face's desperate but exiguous essays at yoomah.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 07:32 AM

"perfectly obvious point over & over again"
So he said he didn't make it - you say he did and it is perfectly obvious
What is that perfectly obvious point Mike?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 07:08 AM

Someone adjust Michael's medication please...

That said, he is right on one thing. You can't have a serious discussion when all you can hear is Oink! from some contributors, so pointing and laughing is about as appropriate as a response can get.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 06:48 AM

"Muslim implant"

A fake quote Jim.
If it is not fake, find it.
You never will.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 06:39 AM

"... cruel in the extreme to laugh at poor old Jim", I wrote a couple of posts back. But there have to be exceptions to all things. And the way he goes on milking that misapprehension, that pathetic failure to get the point all those [what was it? 5?] years ago, but going on repeating his lack of basic comprehension of Keith's perfectly obvious point over & over again, can only become more ludicrous every time he does it.

So:

hahahahahahahahahahah!!!!!

Thanks for the laugh, Jim.

~M~

〠〠〠〠〠☺☺☺☺☺〠〠〠〠〠

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 06:28 AM

"A fake quote Jim."
You mean somebody posted the "Don, I now do believe....." "implant" claim using your name?
Did you report them?
Have you never supported it saying it was only because prominent people convinced you it was true?
Was it all a bad dream???
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 05:56 AM

"Muslim implant"

A fake quote Jim.
A lie to support the previous lie.
You are truly despicable.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 05:43 AM

The sad thing is, Keith, that Jim really is a very good person. Highest of principles; ❤ thoroughly in right place. Trouble is that these very worthiest of attributes so often lead him into such absurdities and confusions, because of his absolute inability, unless resolutely beaten over the head by themselves, to think ill of anybody whatsoever. That's why, basically, he writes so much pathetic nonsense with the very best of motives and intentions.

Dear old Musket, OTOH, I suspect of being something of a malicious laughing-up-his-sleeve old stirrer who gets his kicks from endeavouring to irritatite to the utmost. Has the advantage of furnishing quite a lot of [slightly guilty] amusement. I mean, it would be cruel in the extreme to laugh at poor old Jim, wouldn't it now? Good ole Muskibumz, tho, will revel in the thought of how much he has wound you up [in his dreams!]...

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 05:42 AM

"I said specifically and repeatedly that religion played no part."
While at the same time attacking Muslims "Muslim implant"
Is it their colour you object to?
If you attack Catholics, you are identifying their religion, not their race, colour taste in shirts - it is an attack on their religion.
Saying you are not doing so is equivalent to weeping crocodile tears for the people of Homs while at te same time proposing their killers are sold weapons and riot control equipment to subdue them - totally meaningless and contradictory.
The dishonest is all on your side and always has been.
You are a fully qualified religios bigot
"Thousands of Islamist extremists in the UK"
There is not one hred of evidence to suggest a threat from the Muslim population in Britain itself unless you ascribe the acts of a tiny handful of disturbed fanatics to the Muslim population - it is those you and yours have mede the target for your hate.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 05:07 AM

You talk about "several thousands" of Islamists who see ordinary folk as targets"
It was announced in the press a couple of days ago that MI5 believed there COULD BE UP TO FIVE HUNDRED YOUNG MEN who might return to Britain to continue their Islamic crusade - so already the official calculated figure has escalated out of all proportion from your hate factory.

Both are correct Jim.
400+ with ISIS.
Several thousands here with us.
BBC last October.
"Thousands of Islamist extremists in the UK see the British public as a legitimate target for attacks, the director general of MI5 has warned."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24454596

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 04:58 AM

You have described the Islamic religion as making its followers inclined towards having underage sex

That is a blatant lie Jim.
You know well, because I have produced the quotes for you, that in that debate I said specifically and repeatedly that religion played no part.
You are a despicably dishonest man.

However, I can't see why I should mistrust my Catholic neighbour, due to Continuity IRA or my Muslim neighbour for the situation in Iraq.

You should not Musket.
I would not either.

Keith said such people could be hiding terrorists in their midst. Absolutely disgraceful

It would be disgraceful if anyone said that, but it is just another Musket lie.
What I actually said was, "The terrorists hide among the good people Musket."

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 03:19 AM

"You know that I have never criticised Islam "
You have described the Islamic religion as making its followers inclined towards having underage sex and the Muslim communities as harbouring terrorists.
You have claimed that an entire cultural population is "implanted" with sexual tendencies, and the only reason they are not succumbing is that they "suppress" those tendencies "implanted" by their religion.   
Time after time, you and your own particular sect have quoted from the Koran to prove that this is a religiously written and taught edict - it has been the whole basis of yours (end every single ultra-right website and extremist party throughout the world) attack on Muslims.
That is not only criticising Islam, it is presenting it as a perverting influence and describing all adherents as perverts.
GUEST.# is right - there are Muslims who do pose a serious threat to others.
Ongoing revelations show that there are Christians who have not only posed a great threat to others, but have more that realised that threat and, where they allowed to, would be as threatening as they ever were.
The same threat is present in the Middle East from those claiming to b e acting on behalf of the Jewish people.
All religions pose a threat under certain circumstances.
You even have your own propaganda machine, as they did.
You talk about "several thousands" of Islamists who see ordinary folk as targets"
It was announced in the press a couple of days ago that MI5 believed there COULD BE UP TO FIVE HUNDRED YOUNG MEN who might return to Britain to continue their Islamic crusade - so already the official calculated figure has escalated out of all proportion from your hate factory.
Given MI5s past record of who it considers a threat, its record of exaggeration, the fact that many of the inexperienced young volunteers are quite likely to be killed fighting - and the fact that the right-wing press have dredged up only three quotes from young men on a high from the battle front, of any of them bringing armed struggle to Britain, I would say that the likelihood of them doing so is virtually non-existent, and even if it was possible, the Muslim population as a whole would prove an effective opposition to any threat.
At the beginning of my lifetime, people were being sent to their deaths in millions because of their culture and beliefs
What is happening now - the spread of hatred towards different cultures and beliefs, is opening the way for a repeat performance of those horrors.
You and yours are part of that.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 02:02 AM

Can't argue with that as all religion is ultimately corrupt.

However, I can't see why I should mistrust my Catholic neighbour, due to Continuity IRA or my Muslim neighbour for the situation in Iraq. I have a friend and ex colleague who was an Iraqi medic in the Iran / Iraq war but he is a mate, a professor of microbiology and goes to Friday prayers. Keith said such people could be hiding terrorists in their midst. Absolutely disgraceful.

Keith is saying two very different things in the same thread, which is an improvement by the way.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,#
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 07:24 PM

"You know that I have never criticised Islam or suggested that Muslim people pose any kind of threat to anyone."

Well then, let me do that. Some Muslims pose a serious threat to others, including other Muslims if the actions of ISIS are anything to go by.

Islam is as stupid as most other religions, and so are its followers.

Some find their leaders in Rome or Canterbury, others in Mecca or Jerusalem. They all claim to have a connection to the ONE TRUE GOD, PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, and they all have two-faced bastards running things.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 05:40 PM

one love.....

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 05:10 PM

You know that I have never criticised Islam or suggested that Muslim people pose any kind of threat to anyone.
You are a dishonest man.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 03:58 PM

dylan - which religion do you believe in? all of them

what's so funny about peace, love and understanding?

in any group of people there are a few great folk, a handful of violent rogues and everyone else is trying to struggle through as best we can.

those of us in supposedly christian-based western societies, with our own history of oppression, sexual abuse and vicious empire building, have no right to go throwing stones at the criminals in any other religion.

peace and love, children, it's the only way

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 03:18 PM

"Mistrust will always exist between you and any Muslims in The UK then Keith?"
Be fair Muskie - only the "implanted" ones - whoops, sorry, that is all of them!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 03:07 PM

No Musket, and neither did I with Irish folk during the IRA offensive.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 10:58 AM

Tsk. Another post gone missing. I assumed moderators weren't cultured enough to understand Latin.

Mistrust will always exist between you and any Muslims in The UK then Keith?

Shallow xenophobic bigoted comment on your part.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 10:52 AM

TAKE YOUR PICK
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 10:50 AM

"can be as bloody a fool as anyone else, if he really sets his mind to it."
Or - on te other hand, he might be right
you have the previous article saying exactly the dsame - you choose not to comment on it - you wouldn't, would you?

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 10:15 AM

Well, then, obviously even a "former CIA officer, now an adjunct professor at Georgetown University's Center for Peace and Security Studies" can be as bloody a fool as anyone else, if he really sets his mind to it.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 07:58 AM

Three quotes from former CIA officer, now an adjunct professor at Georgetown University's Center for Peace and Security Studies.
Jim Carroll

"One of the greatest dangers for Americans in deciding how to confront the Islamist threat lies in continuing to believe - at the urging of senior U.S. leaders - that Muslims hate and attack us for what we are and think, rather than for what we do. The Islamic world is not so offended by our democratic system of politics, guarantees of personal rights and civil liberties, and separation of church and state that it is willing to wage war against overwhelming odds in order to stop Americans from voting, speaking freely, and praying, or not, as they wish."
Michael Scheuer, Imperial Hubris

"We assume, moreover, that bin Laden and the Islamists hate us for our liberty, freedoms, and democracy - not because they and many millions of Muslims believe U.S. foreign policy is an attack on Islam or because the U.S. miitary now has a ten-year record of smashing people and things in the Islamic world."
Michael Scheuer, Imperial Hubris

"The U.S. invasion of Iraq is Osama bin Laden's gift from America, one he has long and ardently| desired, but never realistically expected."
Michael Scheuer, Imperial Hubris,

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 06:46 AM

"Good old Glasgow"
Take it we've seen the last of your smears on Britain's "premature anti - fascists" (MI5 label) and you will maintain radio silence on your Powelism
As you were corporal!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Teribus
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 05:58 AM

Frankie Boyles take on that terrorist attack at Glasgow Airport:

"Good old Glasgow. If I had to pick a city in the world where I could depend on one of the locals to kick a man who was on fire, it would always be Glasgow. That really had to hurt - 90% burns and sore bollocks...

I think we should get a photo of that guy KICKING A FLAMING MAN, blow it up and make it the welcome sign at Glasgow Airport. Underneath we should have the words 'Glasgow Welcomes Careful Drivers'...

I love the naivety of al-Qaeda. For trying to bring a religious war to Glasgow. You're 400 years too late guys!! You've not even got a Football Team for Christ's sake... I think that we should give Partick Thistle to al-Qaeda. If only for the joy of hearing them read out their team sheet on Saturday...

The Sun last week urged us all to respond to the attack by flying the Union Jack. Really, in Glasgow that's never been a great way of getting your insurance premiums down...

For a while, confusion reigned at Glasgow airport. Was it a terrorist attack or just Richard Hammond turning up late for check-in?

People say it was lucky they didn't crash into a fuel container. I say it's lucky they didn't hit the queue coming out of Duty Free - the whole place would have gone up like Hiroshima...

The best bit is being told that hundreds of people were saved from being hideously burnt...these were Scottish people flying to Spain! They'll come back looking like they've been bungee jumping off the lip of a volcano!"

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 05:20 AM

The terrorists hide among the good people Musket.
The gang who tried to set off car bombs in London and made a suicide attack on Glasgow airport included doctors and other NHS professionals.

Perhaps they were at one of your barbecues.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Musket
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 03:42 AM

I guess we will have to rely on those nasty Muslims, the ones who would be terrorists if we didn't keep a wary eye on them whilst in their shops and clinics, rely on their fellow followers of Islam to deal with the terrorists for us.

Then we can go back to mistrusting them again.

zzzzzzzzz

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 03:07 AM

"It may have escaped your notice, but Tony B Liar is not an official member of any government."
It may have escaped your memory that Tory Blur (sorry about previous mis-spelling) was once the most powerful politician in Britain - second in command to the most powerful politician in the world - the most powerful politician in the world, who led Britain into an illegal war, which did much to create the present mess.
He missed being charged for his illegal war by the skin of his arse, but is present pronouncements are that of a politician - he appears to have no skills or influence in any other field
"The same ones that came back and fomented trouble in the workplace"
Do oyu have any actual data other than your right wing rantings that those "armed and trained International Brigadiers who, it was predicted, returned from Spain an attempted an overthrow of the Government in Britain"
There were never any arrests of any of them, not even on suspicion - that they were under surveillance never became known till decades later.
The I.B. were made up of left-wingers and liberals - and non-politicos, Catholics, Jews, and Atheists - all who feared the rise of fascism and were prepared to risk their lives to do something about it - Britain's response was to appease it, all confirmed by the welcome they got when returning home - punishment for expressing their opposition.
Any threat to Britain came from those in the higher echelons of British Society who were preparing to welcome a German victory - like the ex King and his consort.
That was how the British leadership was preparing to oppose fascism - with "Peace in our Time!!"
Any ghettoisation that has taken place in the immigrant communities i Britain has come from self -protection from scum like Powell , from racist attacks by his supporters, many of whom were members of good ol' British Institutions like the Nation Front, Neo-Nazis like Colin Jordan's National Socialist Movement.
The British Pakistani population have been singled out in surveys (published twice in the 'leftie' Daily Mail, as the community most prepared to be integrated into British society and happy to be recognised as British.
That you should raise your three cheers for scummy Powell says what needs to be said here - aren't you missing your morning dip in your "Rivers of Blood".
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Teribus
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 02:02 AM

I do so like Christmas's little rants, he must spend entire days wound up to hi-doh blood, blood pressure through the roof, frothing at the mouth as he bangs away on his keyboard missing the keys he wants in his rush to inflict yet one more of his drivel filled messages on the community at large.

The following I found really funny:

1: "The 'information' was exactly the same as was claimed by those who went off to fight fascism in Spain - dangerous Bolsheviks who were receiving weapons training and experience in fighting and return to bring about bloody revolution in Britain - those returning were blacklisted and put under surveillance - no arrests, not bloody revolution."

The same ones that came back and fomented trouble in the workplace during the first eighteen months of the Second World War (It all stopped when Hitler attacked the USSR). Perhaps you missed the point that there were no arrests and no bloody revolution because they were blacklisted and because they were subject to surveillance.

2: "Ghettoisation"

That immigrants have done all by themselves through choice and that fact was what Enoch Powell referred to in his speech. He talked of uncontrolled immigration at such a rate that the immigrants get absolutely no opportunity to integrate and naturally set up communities that then make integration impossible. Examples of this in cities all over the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: GUEST,Troubadour.
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 07:45 PM

"I do believe Tory Blair said the invasion of Iraq by the US and Britain had nothing to do with the present situation there - just about sums up the reliability of all Government statements, I would have thought."

It may have escaped your notice, but Tony B Liar is not an official member of any government.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 11:55 AM

No qualifiaction of a threat
No suggestion of what should be done
Just - lest trust the politicians
No chane - more hate more racist and cultural smears - more old same old same old that we have been getting from you for years
As Big Brother used to say "Hate,hate, hate, hate...."
God save us from "ALL" religious warriors - especially those batting for their own side.
I''ll leave you to your particular brand of Christian warfare.
Jim Caroll

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 11:19 AM

The threat is of terrorism, not from ordinary decent Muslims but from the "several thousands" of Islamists who see ordinary folk as targets, and the hundreds now committing atrocities on the people of Iraq and Syria with a group shunned by al Qaeda as too extreme.

Strangely, I am not reassured by your dismissal of the statements of

The government.
Also Labour.
Also MI5.
Also Scotland Yard.
Also journalists working in Iraq and Syria.
Also the leader of the Free Syria Army.
Also ISIS itself.
Also the individual Jihadists.

Subject: RE: BS: Islamic radicalism . . .
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 10:12 AM

So far there is no indication of what that 'threat' is apart from the boasting of a few young soldiers at present fighting.
The 'information' was exactly the same as was claimed by those who went off to fight fascism in Spain - dangerous Bolsheviks who were receiving weapons training and experience in fighting and return to bring about bloody revolution in Britain - those returning were blacklisted and put under surveillance - no arrests, not bloody revolution.
The same MI5 and the same bunch of politicians were the ones who spread the panic.
Just supposing these people are an actual threat - what exactly do you propose should be done about them?
How in any way do they relate to the Islamic religion.
What does any of this have to do with the British Muslim population as a whole
How in any way does anything have to do with your hate campaign aimed at Muslims in general - your branding them implanted perverts, your claims that they are hiding terrorists withing their communities, now your suggestion that they are criminals and that this criminality has anything to do with terrorism?
What do you should suggest should happen:
Should the Muslim religion be banned in Britain?
Should the entire Muslim community in Britain (particularly the "implanted" ones) be subjected to close scrutiny.
Should they all be sent back to where they or their forefathers) came from.
Ghettoisation - extermination - what?
You have expended a great deal of time over the last few years making the Muslim communities in Britain figure of hate and distrust - as potential sexual perverts, now as potential terrorists, taking advantage of a conflict that is largely of the West's own making.
If there is any threat whatever from the Muslim communities in Britain, if is because of the hate spread by you and yours.
Surprisingly enough, the only disturbances in Muslim communities were the Southall riots of over 30 years ago.
They have put up with Pakie-bashing, mosque burning, threats to and actual attacks on their lives and homes inspired by shit like that you persistently dish up, with relative silence, tolerance and passivity, despite the intolerance and bigotry of you and yours.
What do you feel we should do with these people?
As a personal choice, I would rather have Asian neighbours, than the middle-England bigot of you and your red-neck friends.
I'd be far more inclined to put up fire-proof front doors and smoke alarms to protect us from you, than I would any Muslim family I have ever met.
Jim Carroll