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Séamus Ennis, ina rothaí óg ag bailiú ce

gnu 01 Jun 14 - 07:42 PM
GUEST,leeneia 01 Jun 14 - 10:04 PM
Big Al Whittle 02 Jun 14 - 05:36 AM
GUEST 02 Jun 14 - 07:01 AM
Big Al Whittle 02 Jun 14 - 07:07 AM
Dave Hanson 02 Jun 14 - 07:09 AM
GUEST,Peter Laban 02 Jun 14 - 07:36 AM
GUEST,Peter Laban 02 Jun 14 - 07:45 AM
The Sandman 02 Jun 14 - 05:14 PM
The Sandman 02 Jun 14 - 05:52 PM
GUEST,Derek Schofield 02 Jun 14 - 07:16 PM
Vic Smith 03 Jun 14 - 01:01 PM
The Sandman 04 Jun 14 - 04:16 AM
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Subject: Séamus Ennis, ina rothaí óg ag bailiú ce
From: gnu
Date: 01 Jun 14 - 07:42 PM

Piper and lore and song collector. Great vid.


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Subject: RE: Séamus Ennis, ina rothaí óg ag bailiú ce
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 01 Jun 14 - 10:04 PM

Thanks for the link, gnu!


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Subject: RE: Séamus Ennis, ina rothaí óg ag bailiú ce
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Jun 14 - 05:36 AM

is that right, he introduced the leaving of Liverpool to the folkscene. I used to have a little effds booklet -with Seamus named as the source.


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Subject: RE: Séamus Ennis, ina rothaí óg ag bailiú ce
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 14 - 07:01 AM

Doubt it! They may have meant "The Leaving of Limerick".
So far as I'm aware the only person that "Liverpool" was collected from was American shanty-man Richard Maitland whose version appears in Doerflinger's "Songs of the Sailor & Lumberman". He appears on the Folkways recording "American Sea Songs and Shanties" but not singing "Leaving of Liverpool" I'm afraid.


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Subject: RE: Séamus Ennis, ina rothaí óg ag bailiú ce
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Jun 14 - 07:07 AM

no I would have remembered that.


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Subject: RE: Séamus Ennis, ina rothaí óg ag bailiú ce
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 02 Jun 14 - 07:09 AM

That's brilliant gnu, thanks for posting.

Dave H


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Subject: RE: Séamus Ennis, ina rothaí óg ag bailiú ce
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 02 Jun 14 - 07:36 AM

Well, he certainly sang it during the sixties but I have always taken that as him, a jobbing musician, singing a song popular at that time (he also included songs like the 'Spinning Wheel' in his folkscene directed performances for example). But Séamus was part of the group that frequented O Donoghue's, which also included Luke Kelly and the Dubliners, Andy Irvine, Johnny Moynihan and others strongly influential in the ballad boom. The song likely came out of the fermentation that took place there. Whoever introduced it.


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Subject: RE: Séamus Ennis, ina rothaí óg ag bailiú ce
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 02 Jun 14 - 07:45 AM

About the documentary, it's been around for a few years now and I always thought it a shame there is an apparent lack of material available. The result is an endless recycling of material from earlier films and, worse, the quasi docudrama scenes like the ones where an actor is cycling around the countryside, and an actor not even remotely resembling the subject of the film at that.

Eamonn de Butleair's 'Miles and Miles of Music', also on youtube, is a good watch as well, a better one possibly.


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Subject: RE: Séamus Ennis, ina rothaí óg ag bailiú ce
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Jun 14 - 05:14 PM

whichever one came first, does not alter the fact that the leaving of liverpool, has been folk processed in the sense it mentions specific liverpool areas in the song.
the leaving of limerick? never heard of it before this thread, it is possible that it is the original song, but without further evidence I think the leaving of liverpool is more probable, liverpool as i understand it has a more noteworthy seafaring history than limerick, but I would be happy to be corrected


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Subject: RE: Séamus Ennis, ina rothaí óg ag bailiú ce
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 Jun 14 - 05:52 PM

interestin vid thanks


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Subject: RE: Séamus Ennis, ina rothaí óg ag bailiú ce
From: GUEST,Derek Schofield
Date: 02 Jun 14 - 07:16 PM

thanks for the link, not watched it yet. There was a detailed article on the Leaving of Liverpool in the Library of Congress Folk Archive newsletter a few years ago, prompted by something we'd had in English Dance & Song magazine. I can't remember there being a Seamus Ennis connection.
But, didn't Robin Hall and Jimmie Macgregor's famous Footba' Crazy come from Seamus?
I remember seeing Seamus at the Liverpool Folk Meet in 1970 I think... great!
Derek


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Subject: RE: Séamus Ennis, ina rothaí óg ag bailiú ce
From: Vic Smith
Date: 03 Jun 14 - 01:01 PM

Lovely programme, thanks for posting it. It brought back memories of the times when we organised some English tours for Seamus in the late '60s and early '70s.
We took time over to Peacehaven to meet his old colleague from BBC Song Collecting Days, Bob Copper. Then in the evening Seamus played for the Coppersongs folk club. I wish I had taken my tape recorder along to record the conversation between Bob & Seamus.


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Subject: RE: Séamus Ennis, ina rothaí óg ag bailiú ce
From: The Sandman
Date: 04 Jun 14 - 04:16 AM

yes great shame, Vic. I thoroughly enjoyed the video, thank god, seamus did all that collecting, and thanks to the BBC too


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