BS: Facebook troll jailed

Subject: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 05:54 AM

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/general-news/facebook-troll-jailed-for-insults-over-stabbing-of-leeds-teacher-ann-maguire-1-6654088

I particularly like the judges comment, "You're entitled to express reasonable views, as are all of us. What none of us are entitled to do is abuse that freedom."

Some on here would be wise to take heed.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 05:57 AM

Sorry - Just checked and the link does not seem to work for me. If it does the same for you C&P the link:

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/general-news/facebook-troll-jailed-for-insults-over-stabbing-of-leeds-teacher-ann-maguire-1-6654088

D.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 06:20 AM

Hopefully, Dave, the lesson has been learned, as matters have calmed somewhat of late, partially by the provision of a BSBS thread. The question might be one of the definition of reasonableness, if not tolerance and respect of other peoples' views.
An example of that is the sense that the Irish Tuam child murder situation has arisen because their definition of reasonableness is not ours. Reason alone is not an absolute, we have considered many things reasonable in the past which have since been disproven, from the structure of the universe to the ethics of feudalism. Reason backed by scientific proof, in the form of empirical observation, reproductability, and consistent coherency may be, as long as it remembers that it is not yet a complete science.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 07:20 AM

A BSBS thread? Must have missed that one.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 07:33 AM

A boy of 15 stabbed a Spanish teacher aged 61 and killed her. A man of 21 said he was glad it had happened. He gets a short prison sentence. Okay by me.

Here's what I'd like to see. I'd like to see more investigation of the people who encouraged that boy of 15 to attack BEFORE the attack occurred. Possibly there were no such people, but more likely there were.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 07:40 AM

I agree absolutely, Leeneia, but the point I am trying to highlight is the stance against inappropriate usage of free speech. In this case on the internet. Someone a lot cleverer than me once said that freedom comes with great responsibility. I wish more people would realise that.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 11:30 AM

Occasionally free expression can have negative consequences, but the alternative, suppression of free speech to protect any sort of political ideology, is a thousand times worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 12:37 PM

While no one can condone the ugliness of this young mans remarks, I find the *implications* for 'free speech' of this decision troubling. Who gets to determine what are "reasonable views"? It would seem one judge in this instance. Perhaps other judges might find other views 'unreasonable'? Who gets to decide which views are "reasonable" enough to be publicly expressed?

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 01:00 PM

Off and on, I have been reading Dorothy Sayers translation of Dante's Divine Comedy, and I have found several appropriate tortures suitable for mudcat trolls.

If a judge makes a determination, it can be overturned on appeal. In the end, the judicial process will decide. The courts are the guardians of the Constitution.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 01:21 PM

Robert Riley, 42, has been jailed for eight weeks by Swansea's Magistrates Court for remarks on Twitter about Mrs. Maguire, the Korean ferry disaster, and racist remarks about Judaism and Islam.
He is the second person sentenced.

BBC News, Southwest Wales

Let's hope for more!

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 02:20 PM

Please note. There has been no "Suppression of free speech" here. Free speech was given it's full due. What has happened is that the consequences of free speech have been brought to light. And abuse of free speech has been brought to heel.

Surely there is nothing wrong with that is there? I say once again. With freedom comes great responsibility.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 02:35 PM

DtG you say (quote) "the consequences of free speech have been brought to heel."

Without wishing to appear inflammatory, I'd like you to please clarify which particular "consequences of free speech have been brought to heel", in this instance?

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 02:36 PM

Wikipedia, on Freedom of Speech, by country. It seems rights vary greatly, and I'd think prosecution would be based on a person's country's laws.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 02:37 PM

Beg pardon. I think I may have misquoted you.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 02:37 PM

Freedom of speech is routinely attacked on this forum by you and your mates. Thankfully the people who operate this site do not share your mindset and most of your worst excesses have been removed.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: akenaton
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 02:39 PM

Sorry that post was directed to the gnome.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 05:08 PM

I don't have a problem differentiating between 'free speech' and the objections to it. We are free to say whatever (or nearly) but anyone else can object to its content.

Say a little kid punches another. He or she gets punched, perhaps even harder than the first punch. He complains to authority. Authority says, if you don't want to be punched, don't punch.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: BrendanB
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 05:29 PM

Akenaton, I have never read a single post from DtG in which he attacks or seeks to undermine free speech. I have read posts in which he attacks your views, entirely reasonably as far as I can see. Do you believe that any one who questions your views or disagrees with you is undermining free speech? Really, do you?

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 06:02 PM

Ebbie, I agree with everything you just said. As a moderator, I don't think it's my job to make it safe for people to be assholes. I don't care for what happens when one person has an unpopular, possibly bizarre and just plain wrong point of view, and another person rebuts with personal abuse. They look far more stupid than they'd probably want to.

I said this before, but if you read the Wiki I linked to above, it backs up my theory: the UK has a completely different take on "free speech" and has far more limitations on what they allow. It's a problem here when some inflexible people in the UK think everyone else should have the same limits. Instead of trying to understand, they demand everyone do things their way. This is a very small number of boneheads, but they make up for small numbers with obnoxiousness.

The guy that got jailed was a UK citizen, who is subject to UK limits on speech. I think I'd be happy if the US made it possible to prosecute people who deliberately lied to the public in order to manipulate them for their own gain. That would be the end of Fox news and a bunch of politicians.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 06:08 PM

Thanks Brendan. I am glad that someone else has posted what I know to be true.

Ake: Freedom of speech is routinely attacked on this forum by you and your mates. Thankfully the people who operate this site do not share your mindset and most of your worst excesses have been removed.

I have never had a single post removed. Why do you imply that I have? Why do you continue to repeat the lie that I have a set of 'mates' that are involved in some sort of conspiracy against you? Do you think that your insidious hints and allegations will somehow undermine what I am saying? You are the first to complain when you believe others use diversionary tactics, yet you continue to do so yourself. You are a hypocrite of the first order.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 06:14 PM

CS: I'd like you to please clarify which particular "consequences of free speech have been brought to heel", in this instance?

I take it you did not read the article. Jake Newsome, the person in question, was perfectly free to post "I'm glad that teacher got stabbed up." and that is what he posted. His free speech was not interfered with and his comment remained for all to see. The consequence was that it was judged to be offensive and he was imprisoned for it. What else is there to clarify?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 06:22 PM

Jeri: the UK has a completely different take on "free speech" and has far more limitations on what they allow.

Your theory is wrong. We can say whatever we like. But if we cause offence we must face the consequences. In your country are you allowed to preach that all niggers are evil, all spastics should be put down at birth or all women deserve to be raped? With no repercussions? If so, that is not the type of society that I would be proud of.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 07:17 PM

Canada's hate-speech laws have been upheld in the Supreme Court as a reasonable limit on freedom of expression.

The Court recently ruled that flyers distributed by Bill Whatcott of Saskatchewan promoted hatred against gays and lesbians. He was ordered to pay $17,500 to people who complained about the flyers.

Toronto Globe and Mail.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 07:35 PM

It's not my "theory". Not even mine.

Read this, and tell me what they got wrong.

I'm not proud of the fact we have people in the US who say things such as you mention, and yes, people are allowed to say them. I AM proud of the fact that the decision is left to the people. I don't want people to not be free to demonstrate they are jerks. I'd rather have them say it and know what they are.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Janie
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 08:45 PM

Thanks for that link, Jeri. I don't do well reading long articles on line and have printed it out to read tomorrow. But a careful skimming indicates it provides a pretty objective overview.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: GUEST,Squeezer
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 09:00 PM

Jeri, I think what DtG is getting at is that the UK does not have a *completely* different take on freedom of speech, or for that matter human rights in general. I'm not sure why you say that US citizens have greater freedom of speech than those of the UK since the Wiki article you link to specifies a number of cases which have legal restraints similar to those in British law.

Human rights are not entirely absolute anywhere – they are all subject to various legal restraint in every country which recognises them. The restraints are a matter of culture (historical reasons, religious requirements etc), so we cannot expect what is allowed and what is not to be entirely equal everywhere. It doesn't make much sense for Europeans to say to Americans, or vice versa, "We have more freedoms than you." In some ways a US citizen might well have more freedom than a Brit, in other cases he or she might not. Gun ownership and international travel come to mind as obvious examples.

I do think though that the British laws regarding libel and the availability of superinjunctions are unduly restrictive and should be abolished.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: GUEST,Squeezer
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 09:06 PM

PS   Forgot to say that the decision on what is allowable in the UK is made by the people too (by voting for the politicians of our choice, to make laws we approve of, which I expect is what you meant). I should point out that the UK is a democracy as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 09:17 PM

"I'm not sure why you say that US citizens have greater freedom of speech than those of the UK..."

I'm not sure why you think I said that.

"...the Wiki article you link to specifies a number of cases which have legal restraints similar to those in British law."

It's possible that's because the article I linked to is about British law.

What I was talking about was the fact we have different opinions. I'm not going to get into the "my country is better than yours" crap which this seems to be decomposing into. I think our way is better. You think yours is. Fine. I'm OK with that. Just realize that have fundamentally different opinions on speech and the law.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 09:37 PM

Oh, heck. Never mind. I went back and read what you must've been talking about, even though I still think there are some big differences when it comes to simply offending people.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Janie
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 09:46 PM

???

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 10:10 PM

???: ???

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Janie
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 10:12 PM

I'll raise you three ???'s

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 10:18 PM

LOL. This works too: O.o
I was amending my previous reply to GUEST,Squeezer. (If I correctly guessed the reason for "???".)

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: LadyJean
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 11:32 PM

In 1997 the Ku Klux Klan got permission to hold a rally on the front steps of the Allegheny County Courthouse. The sheetheads, 4 men and 1 woman, made all kinds of stupid, racist comments, while using every filthy, obscene word in the English language twice.

The crowd responded in kind. Happily there was a fence to keep them from doing anything except shouting rude words and raising their middle fingers.

Equally happily, the Klan's hate speech couldn't be published in the papers. (They don't print words like that.) Nor would the television news broadcast their vulgarities.

In short, they shot themselves in both feet, repeatedly. It was a beautiful thing to watch.

That is why I love free speech. It gives jackasses the right to let the whole world know what jackassed they are.

By the way, after the rally, one of the Klan idiots quit the Klan. He got his nose rubbed in the fact that he was a jackass, and decided to wise up.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 04:48 AM

Jeri, not wishing to be pedantic but when I said "Your theory is wrong" I was responding to your line -

I said this before, but if you read the Wiki I linked to above, it backs up my theory: the UK has a completely different take on "free speech"

So how am I suppose to know it is not your theory when you say it is? Knowing you from past posts I know you would not have railed at my saying it was your theory just to make my argument look ridiculous so I assume it was in error that you said it was.

Anyway, back to the main point, squeezer has the right of it and says it better than I could so, yes, that is what I was saying. Both our lands have freedom of speech. We both have laws governing what is deemed beyond the pale. There is very little, if any, difference in them.

Look at LadyJeans post above (Thanks LJ). Our extreme organisations have the right to hold rallies and demonstrations as well. The hate speech could not be published as well. No difference. Also, you missed one vital section of what I said when you replied that people were allowed to say those things. I asked if they are the allowed to say them WITH NO REPERCUSSIONS. They are allowed to say them, and make themselves look like pratts here as well, but, just like in your land, if the law deems it to be offensive to the public, action can be taken where required. The key thing here is common sense.

Am I right in thinking you are a moderator on here? Surely then you can understand the difference between freedom of speech and the freedom to hurt other people. It's just like that in real life. We are both lucky enough to be able to say whatever we want. We are also both sensible enough to know when we should not say it. Sadly, some people don't understand that and it is those cases where the law, or the moderator, will take action.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 05:07 AM

BTW, Jeri, your line "I think I'd be happy if the US made it possible to prosecute people who deliberately lied to the public in order to manipulate them for their own gain." Is covered by your laws. Look back to the article you linked to and check out the section on the USA. The first section says -

In the United States freedom of expression is protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. There are several common law exceptions including obscenity,[151][152] defamation,[151][152] incitement,[152] incitement to riot or imminent lawless action,[151][152] fighting words,[151] fraud, speech covered by copyright, and speech integral to criminal conduct; this is not to say that it is illegal, but just that the government may make it illegal.

I think Fox News etc. could well come under many of those exceptions :-)

And upon double checking I find the first section of the UK entry says -

United Kingdom citizens have a negative right to freedom of expression under the common law.[98] In 1998, the United Kingdom incorporated the European Convention, and the guarantee of freedom of expression it contains in Article 10, into its domestic law under the Human Rights Act. However there is a broad sweep of exceptions including threatening, abusive or insulting words or behavior intending or likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress or cause a breach of the peace (which has been used to prohibit racist speech targeted at individual

Now, it may just be me, but I don't understand the difference between freedom of expression being guaranteed under article 10 of the European convention and it being guaranteed under the first amendment of the US constitution. How is it a 'completely different take on free speech"?

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 05:07 AM

Dave you regularly support three or four people who attack anyone who contradicts their political agenda.
These people have had numerous posts removed by admin, have produced libellous statements, have routinely lied when cornered, have indulged in misrepresentation of what has been actually said, have wished myself and others to "stop breathing" when I publish irrefutable facts to back my arguments, have made disgusting ageist comments to older members of this forum, have used the word "cunt" as a term of abuse, which is very offensive to most women, continually indulge in childish name calling which is offensive to other members have accused myself and others of homophobia, racism, etc, without a shred of credible evidence to support their statements.

If you were really the liberal that you say you are, you would disassociate yourself from these people, but I have never come across one post from you which censures or even disagrees with any of their tactics. What is "offensive" to me ....and admin, is obviously not "offensive" to you, so "offensive" is subjective?

In your eyes, I should be should be stopped from printing my facts and views, but I always tell the truth, have no hatred for people either homosexuals, other races, or social groupings. I have never had a post removed by admin though they are continually abused by your friends for not doing so.
I have points to make about Capitalism, multiculturalism, the epidemic of sexual infection amongst MSM, religion and many other subjects; and I will continue to make my points as long as I am allowed to do so, without lies misrepresentation, or DISINGENUOUSNESS.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 05:26 AM

Ake, your actual phrase was

Thankfully the people who operate this site do not share your mindset and most of your worst excesses have been removed.

And it was made clear by your subsequent post that this was directed at me -

Sorry that post was directed to the gnome.

This is a blatant and provable lie. Other people can confirm that I have never had a post removed. Yet you say always tell the truth and then accuse me of being disingenuous!

I have no need to disassociate myself from anyone because I am not associated to anyone. The people you refer to are no more my friends than you are. I class everyone on the Mudcat as equal and believe they are no different from anyone else unless they prove otherwise. My views are my views and I can see a world of difference between calling someone childish names and attacks on vulnerable groups in society. I would happily call anyone a twat or a arsehole but I would not tell someone who had different sexual inclinations to me that they were perverted or had obvious psychiatric problems. I don't understand why you cannot make that distinction but I know that the other people you refer can do so and that makes their views closer to mine that to yours.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 05:39 AM

Dave I could have reported abusive posts from you, had I wished to do so, but admin could never keep up with what your gang print.

On another thread your gang's behaviour was being discussed.

From: Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 08 May 14 - 06:19 AM

"It is unpleasant, unnecessary and is likely to discourage participation and debate.".....Keith

Unpleasant? Personal opinion.
Unnecessary? Probably, but so is Morris Dancing.
Likely to discourage participation? Has anyone who really wants to join the debate been discouraged? I don't think so.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 05:46 AM

My original remarks referred to the group which you appear to support so vociferously.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 05:57 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: akenaton - PM
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 02:39 PM

Sorry that post was directed to the gnome.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: akenaton - PM
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 05:46 AM

My original remarks referred to the group which you appear to support so vociferously.

Need I say more?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 06:04 AM

For god's sake get a grip, there was no name on my original post, hence my second post to clarify to whom it was posted.
My remarks referred to your group!

Comprehension is required .

You say there is no "group", yet I can supply numerous post from you supporting their tactics.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 06:27 AM

Is printing verifiable STD figures in defence of my argument "homophobia"
My exact words were that I had "never heard a rational argument put forward as to why homosexual practice was NOT a perversion."
I told you personally that I was "agnostic" on the issue, so you deliberately lied above.
Medical studies show very high rates of psychiatric problems amongst homosexuals. I have never said that all homosexuals suffer from these problems....another lie, or misrepresentation.

" I would happily call anyone a twat or a arsehole but I would not tell someone who had different sexual inclinations to me that they were perverted or had obvious psychiatric problems"

Oh really!! anybody?....well I can think of quite a few!

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: jacqui.c
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 07:15 AM

Yet another interesting thread hijacked. Ake -go blow your trumpet elsewhere - I really don't think that we need to hear your constant blathering thread creep.

Sorry the rest of you - just one too many threads spoiled by this squabbling. I, for one, am getting really pissed off with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 07:31 AM

Well get pissed off with Dave, he was the first to bring up the subject.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 07:35 AM

Why do you think Dave started this thread to begin with?

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: GUEST,Musket's clear conscience
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 07:36 AM

I don't think equality, freedom from oppression and protection from lies in order to deny the same rights as anyone else is a political agenda.

I think it is pointing out the odious disgraceful pollution that moderators feel they cannot suppress.

i would though. Every time. People deserve better than to read some of the horrid filth Akenaton comes out with. His comments really are beneath contempt. I have already complained via my ISP provider that they are available to all without warning.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 08:35 AM

I can't help finding something rather jesuitical in this constant persecution of Akenaton. SFAICS he has simply quoted some statistics from a source he has given, which he thinks demonstrate that SMS can have certain deleterious physical effects disproportionate to the number of its practitioners: & all any you have done in reply is not to challenge these figures with any counter-arguments or alternative conclusions from other quoted sources, but simply to proclaim that they mustn't be believed*, and nobody but a malevolent trouble-making troll could even suggest that such statistics could conceivably have any validity. I am reminded of the scene in Brecht's "Galileo" where he is first called before the Inquisition, and the prosecutor starts by saying "We must first establish whether it is desirable for the Earth to go round the Sun".

Then semantically, he disagrees with the extension of the word "marriage" to acquire a meaning additional to the traditionally accepted one of a partnership for the purposes of procreation between members of opposite sexes which has formed part of the law of every known society throughout history. I don't happen to agree with him here; words' meanings are not writ in stone, however established and long-standing the currently accepted usage. But it is nevertheless a viable and tenable point. It is by no means self-evident that, with the availability of the Civil Partnership for quite a few years now, this additional refinement is essential; & so far as I know Ake has never objected to that institution, which obviously fulfils a vital role.

So, if you can't produce viable rational arguments rather than kneejerk abusive contradiction based on nothing but your unquestioned PC assumptions, I think you should all just climb down off his back.


Don't expect you will, though. Some not-right-bright people's principles just run too deep for rational thought.

~M~


* please note that I am making no comment of my own on their accuracy or otherwise, which is not the point at issue in my postulation

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 08:43 AM

The sun has just appeared on a dull rainy day. Thanks M.

All I want is a reasonable hearing, I don't expect many here to agree with me.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: akenaton
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 09:58 AM

"People deserve better than to read some of the horrid filth written by Akenaton"

So Ian has taken it upon himself to suppress what I write, to protect you poor vulnerable children.....how kind, how public spirited, HOW PATRONISING!
Does he think he is the arbiter of what is written or discussed here.
Would anyone like a forum moderated by Ian?

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 10:12 AM

This bickering among people who have bickered among themselves for years does get annoying. Some of you need to walk away from the computer and get a life.

The "troll" who was arrested was always a known individual and after making churlish remarks he had his hand slapped for it. This is a baby troll compared to the activity that mudcat suffered for several years. That troll still sets up fake accounts and bumps up against individual accounts as a reminder that he isn't 1) dead or 2) in prison. Consider yourselves lucky if you haven't had to deal with that shit.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 12:58 PM

"...does get annoying." Normal people just leave the thread or ignore it.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 01:04 PM

For god's sake get a grip, there was no name on my original post, hence my second post to clarify to whom it was posted.
My remarks referred to your group!

You are quite right ake - There was no name mentioned. That is why you clarified it to mean me personally. I reproduce the 2 consecutive posts in case you forget -

From: akenaton - PM
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 02:37 PM

Freedom of speech is routinely attacked on this forum by you and your mates. Thankfully the people who operate this site do not share your mindset and most of your worst excesses have been removed.



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Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: akenaton - PM
Date: 06 Jun 14 - 02:39 PM

Sorry that post was directed to the gnome.

How on earth can that mean anyone but me when you say quite clearly YOUR mindset and most of YOUR excesses. If you want to deny you meant me, fine. Feel free to do so but don't expect anyone with a modicum of sense to believe you.

On to

You say there is no "group", yet I can supply numerous post from you supporting their tactics.

I support lots of ideas and groups. Does not mean I belong to them. I have supported Jethro Tull for years but they never invited me to join.

Then, as to

Well get pissed off with Dave, he was the first to bring up the subject.

and

Why do you think Dave started this thread to begin with?

I started it because I found it interesting that someone had been jailed for offensive behaviour on the internet. Why do YOU think I started it?

It is an interesting subject. Why tell someone to get pissed off with me for bringing it up? It is quite obvious it was going fine until 6 June at 2:37 when you posted a message telling lies about me. Why did you do that?

No, hang on, to be honest I would prefer you did not answer. It would be better all round if you did not try to make this thread about you as you do with most others.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 01:04 PM

No thanks. I wouldn't like a vicarage tea party moderated by Ian.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 02:49 PM

I left Mudcrap some time ago. The mal contents didn't drive me away, boredom did.Same old shit over and over.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Jeri
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 02:56 PM

That was actually funny.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Janie
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 03:00 PM

Dave and Ake - get a room.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 06:34 PM

Janie - :-D I would but I don't think ake would approve...

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 07 Jun 14 - 07:07 PM

Oh, and conc, we can tell it is you by the misspellings and poor grammar.

D.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Musket
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 09:59 AM

Too fooking true. I would suppress most of what Akenaton posts. In the absence of that, I would ask Michael to read what he is defending before airbrushing out the hate. Hate by the way that UK law criminalises because unsuspecting people have a right to read threads without the sorrow of seeing comments aimed at inciting people to hate them.

On another thread, Akenaton pointed out he had been married for 45 years and how dare Don etc etc. Yet the same specimen feels it is alright for a gay member to read his comment that gay people don't respect marriage as they are all into multiple partners and inherently promiscuous, that they cannot bring up children successfully.

That he cannot see that he could hurt people with his lies and hatred means there has to be another way.

We call it moderation. Ultimately, as we see from this thread, moderation can mean incarceration to protect society. We have teenagers committing suicide because of hate on Twitter, Facebook etc. The likes of Akenaton need to either learn to keep their more odious thoughts to themselves or accept that society protects it's more vulnerable these days.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 10:17 AM

A light dawns - perhaps even the mudcat troll got tired of all of the day-to-day shit and moved on. Carry on, everyone, it seems to repel real trolls.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 12:32 PM

Well spotted, SRS! We shall do our duty :-) Trouble is, it obviously didn't drive him away or he would not have posted :-(

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: akenaton
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 01:05 PM

"We call it moderation. Ultimately, as we see from this thread, moderation can mean incarceration to protect society. We have teenagers committing suicide because of hate on Twitter, Facebook etc. The likes of Akenaton need to either learn to keep their more odious thoughts to themselves or accept that society protects it's more vulnerable these days."

Don't tell me what I need to learn Ian, you are a serial liar and almost every post from you contains lies and misrepresentations of my position.

I have never said that ALL homosexuals are "into multiple partners"
The study I linked to said just under 50% in the area under study were self reported as being in "open "marriages", unions relationships. The study reported that homosexuals have a totally different view of monogamy.
The upbringing of foster children is an experiment still in progress, the end result will become apparent in time.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 02:55 PM

Calling people a liar is rich coming form you on this thread, ake. You said I had tried to restrict freedom of speech and had posts removed, neither of which has ever happened, and then denied even saying it!

Still, let it stand, it shows how ridiculous you look.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Musket
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 03:17 PM

Experiment?

You disgusting creep.

Your only position seems to bent over. Lie after lie after lie. Why do you bother? Nobody is going to be persuaded by your fantasy. Nobody wants to read it either.

The paper you refer to is flawed and totally discredited. It was sponsored by a religious group and commissioned to give a predetermined answer. I mentioned it to a LGBT lead who pointed out that such papers are tried all the time and are an excellent example of why the healthcare quality regulations refer to what we mean by published evidence, and your snippet, available on many religious and far right websites is not and cannot be recognised as valid.

Neither can your lies and hatred. We now have laws to protect people. Sad but obviously necessary.

See Ben Goldacre for details.

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Musket
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 03:24 PM

Hey Dave! Was it conc?

She used to have the hots for me! I'll slap on a bit of aftershave, you never know.

Brut 33. You know it makes sense....

Subject: RE: BS: Facebook troll jailed
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Jun 14 - 05:14 PM

I'm pretty sure it was, M. Who else is likely to say " The mal contents didn't drive me away".

Did you know they once crossed a gorilla with a skunk? It gave the great brute a smell...

DtG