BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Iains
Date: 23 Oct 18 - 12:27 PM

An interesting study relevant to the fracking controversy. I do not think most people realise that penetrating any shale body that has the slightest organic content will result in the release of limited amounts of methane. Any conductive faults through a shale body likewise provide a pathway for the escape of methane.
Most also do not realise that coal fired power stations release far more radiation that nuclear power stations. This is even more surprising when it is realised that coal has an extremely low gamma signature compared to most other rocks(apart from rocksalt- sodium not potassium)



https://phys.org/news/2018-05-three-year-relationship-methane-groundwater-proximity.html

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Iains
Date: 13 Jun 17 - 06:11 AM

I wonder if fracking will ever occur on any economic scale in the UK?
With Brent crude trading at approx 48$/bbl, the economic case for fracking is dubious. The structural complexity of many potential shale bodies, coupled with the poor infrastructure in many area to support the necessary vehicle movements further restrict the growth of the industry.
Also public opposition is strong - though how much is fact driven rather than hysteria is a moot point.
We were quite happy to develop a coal industry that killed thousands, dug holes on Parys mountain since pre Roman times for copper and ransacked numerous other areas for mineral wealth. We even allowed prospecting in National Parks back in the 70's. Now we have the chance to exploit another energy source in the most tightly regulated environment ever, utilising a basic technology a hundred years old and the antis are hugging trees everywhich where. There has yet to be a rational debate to explain the whys and wherefores.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fracking-environment-ireland-theresa-may-a7771956.html

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 05 Jul 14 - 02:45 AM

Saves me having to buy a steamer attachment for baking French loaves.

Win. Win.

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Jul 14 - 06:03 PM

Atta girl,Liz, tell it like you think it is.

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Ed T
Date: 04 Jul 14 - 05:50 PM

""...as the water in your taps starts to light up your house....""

""last time i did peyote, i saw snakes and shit.""-Cheech and Chong

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 04 Jul 14 - 04:53 PM

Well, to both posts above, soon, they may well be fracking under your homes, so you can then watch them gather in the gas yourself, whilst also watching your house prices plummet and breathe in the rising methane, as the water in your taps starts to light up your house..

Have a good evening...

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Musket
Date: 04 Jul 14 - 04:49 AM

I watch the Yorkshire one with interest. My aga uses a shed load of gas....

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jul 14 - 03:30 PM

Dude making the video is a prick. That policeman was doing his job.

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 03 Jul 14 - 02:45 AM

Please, please watch, because this WILL happen in over 60% of our beloved, beautiful country! If HITLER were doing this, we'd be at WAR by now!!!

The Convoy arrives in West Newton, Yorkshire and even one of the policeman is standing there in shock, not believing what he's just seen, admitting he knows NOTHING about Fracking, desperately trying to say he's just doing his job, as Ian R. Crane explains to him exactly what he is being a part of.....


The Decimation of Yorkshire has begun..... This will shock you...

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 10:31 AM

What the lichen all share is acid

Gnu on acid? How good is that :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Ed T
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 07:11 AM

""Most lichen are likable, but not exactly consumer friendly. What the lichen all share is acid and as such require proper preparation if they are to be eaten because unprepared and uncooked they will painfully attack your digestive track. Unprepared lichen taste like aspirin. That should motivate you to prepare it correctly. Never eat unprepared and raw lichen unless your life truly depends upon it.  It probably will not kill you but you will wish it had.""

Everything you need to know about lichen:
What's not to Lichen? 

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 05:51 AM

The estimate that I saw was 2000-3300 well sites for Lancashire, multiple bore holes for each site.
The more that I examine the geology the more unlikely it seems that they will be able to sink wells safely as there are many many faults that are known about, never mind the hidden ones. They drilled through one fault and did not even know about it until the earth tremor crushed their borehole. Every fault is a potential leakage point for the chemicals used to reach the aquifers.

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Musket
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 04:46 AM

I'm not dissing the gnu. I'm dissing his assertion that grass gets snow on it every year and lichen tastes better in Winnipeg than Alberta because he says so.

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 04:42 AM

Dear Lizzie,

Here's a thought. Whoever discovered the trespass law, and made it widely known, came up with an effective anti-fracking tactic; so effective, in fact, that the government are even trying to change the trespass law. On the other hand, waving Mohawk flags around and shrilly haranguing us are almost certainly NOT effective tactics.

So I challenge you, Lizzie, put your your emotions and your f***ing Mohawk f***ing flags in a sack and bury them somewhere, dig up the brain that you've got buried in a ceramic jar somewhere else, and come up with an anti-fracking tactic as effective as the trespass law ... come up with several if you like!

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Ed T
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 03:40 PM

LOL, DTG.

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 03:21 PM

Hey, don't dis the gnu, Msuket! Just because he is a moose it doesn't mean he is wrong. He's one of the gdoo gyus.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Musket
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 07:21 AM

Ten thousand holes in Blackburn Lancashire....

Give or take a few miles

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 05:13 AM

I am starting to understand why you come across as such a total prat in here.

Lizzie, that is the nicest thing you have ever said to me. To be called a prat by such an idiot as yourself restores my faith in myself :-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 05:07 AM

'Guest' above was me...

The Mohawk Warrior Unity Flag..........



There will be THOUSANDS of Wells across the UK, THOUSANDS...

Just sayin'....

For anyone remotely interested in Fracking....

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 01:20 AM

What makes it a fact just because it is on YouTube Gnu? I am always wary of zealous approaches such as the one you have put forward as you leave no room for compromise.

When I read the exact opposite, what do I do? Dismiss it on the say so of an overgrown deer from cyberspace?

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 09:12 PM

As to you[r] disparaging comments about the Mohawk Flag...

Suggest you do a bit of research on this purported "Mohawk Warrior Flag" & then get back to me. Liz doesn't have a clue about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 05:49 PM

From Greg: "On top of everything else, Liz has the gift of Second Sight! Must be something to do with the Mohawk Whatsis Flag"


What I actually SAID, although 'under' should have been 'unless':

"This government WILL change our Trespass Laws under The People stop them"

Seems you have the gift of Selective Quoting, Greg. It's been done to me so many times before that I'd have thought you'd have been able to think of something slightly more original.

As to you disparaging comments about the Mohawk Flag, do you truly expect me to believe that you have respect for the Native Americans, after a comment like that?


From Dave: "Just tune in to Mudcat Showcase with chief presenter Lizzie 'The Mouth' Cornish, Musket. Beats the hell out of Jeremy Kyle any day."

If watching 'Jeremy Kyle' is what turns you on, Dave, then I am starting to understand why you come across as such a total prat in here. I had thought you were putting it on, but now, I can see clearly what the problem is.

Thank you...and...have a nice night.

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: gnu
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 02:50 PM

"Lots of other information portrayed as facts that contradict yours Gnu."

Utter bullshit. You obviously haven't read my 'facts' cited from hundreds of accredited and peer reviewed sources. At least go to You Tube and do some research before you spout such crap.

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Ed T
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 09:24 PM

air quality study 

"Stronger emission controls in North Carolina may have saved lives by reducing deaths from respiratory illness, according to an academic study published Monday.

During the past few decades, the state has tightened its air quality standards through adherence to federal legislation such as the Clean Air Act and the state's 2002 Clean Smokestacks Act. The state's success in reducing air pollution may explain a substantial decline in deaths from the respiratory illnesses asthma and emphysema during corresponding periods, reported Duke University scientists in the International Journal of COPD on Monday.

The release of the study comes as state lawmakers are considering legislation this week that eliminates some of the state's air-quality stations, part of the framework for measuring pollution across the state."
Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/06/23/3957644/duke-scientists-report-air-pollution.html#storylink=cpy

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Ed T
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 08:59 PM

Especially for folks driving gas guzzler cars, suvs and trucks.

benzene 

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 08:26 PM

Chemicals used in fracking are risky hormone disruptors:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/06/140623103939.htm

http://www.newswise.com/articles/hormone-disrupting-activity-of-fracking-chemicals-worse-than-initially-found

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 05:57 PM

Lots of other information portrayed as facts that contradict yours Gnu.

That is why reasonable people debate.

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 04:59 PM

Just came back to see what condition my condition is in.

Started reading 'backwards' and found this... "It would be sad if we didn't exploit it through groundless fears..."

Well, at least one of you hasn't done your research.

Fracking kills. Look it up. Educate yourself. If yer on the internUt, you have no excuse for sticking your head in the sand. Seriously, go to my Facebook page Frack which has been on the net since last July 1 and spend two months reading the posts. It is NOT a discussion page; it a page of FACTS. NO discussion is allowed... it is only a presentation of FACTS. It is the real deal.

Since this is Mudcat and not Facebook, I shall take the licence of discussion to say the following. Frack off gasholes. I want clean air and water. I don't want benzene and radioactive shit in my life or in the lives of future generations. Take your death and destruction and profits for big oil and shove em up your ass. THAT is a FACT.

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 03:43 PM

Just tune in to Mudcat Showcase with chief presenter Lizzie 'The Mouth' Cornish, Musket. Beats the hell out of Jeremy Kyle any day.

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Musket
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 01:16 PM

How does one access mindless TV?

Funnily enough, I did once design some shale shakers for a similar company. Thats when I had a real job though, rather than advise government departments. Which isn't a real job, despite those who think it is, and in any event I am free from the end of this week.

So, I repeat;

How does one access mindless TV?

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 12:44 PM

This government WILL change our Trespass Laws

On top of everything else, Liz has the gift of Second Sight! Must be something to do with the Mohawk Whatsis Flag.

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 12:03 PM

Have you actually spoken to Cuadrilla, Musket?   Have you dealt with them in any way?

Do you understand that Cuadrilla *themselves* are *inside* our government?

Did you read what I said about Lord Browne??????

Wake UP!

This government WILL change our Trespass Laws under The People stop them...It is deeply outrageous and corrupt in EVERY way and most certainly is NOT democratic!

You stay all calm and bland and boring, call me a whore, (yeesh!!!!) call me whatever you feel like...but for fuck's sake, recognize the massive seriousness of this situation...

Or, just go away and watch Mindless TV for the rest of your days and leave it to 'everyone else' to sort out on your behalf....

Don't forget the tattoo, whatever you do....

Thanks

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 09:50 AM

So the person appointed to run a business is lobbying in his company's interest and informing HMG of the ideal conditions for them to do so successfully.

He is neither right nor wrong. He is putting forward the case for meeting medium term energy requirements through fracking. Others are putting forward the risks.

Neither are bastards. Both are trying to inform. Which is a damned sight more than Lizzie Cornish's diatribe. People with genuine concerns must be rather disturbed by the association with rent a mob such people give them.

I am convinced that this matter needs sober reflection, planned utilisation where possible and rolled out slowly whilst testing the predicted negative implications. That approach is perhaps the only way forward. There are enough beds in deserted areas to test concerns.

It would be sad if we didn't exploit it through groundless fears and it is immoral to go hell bent for leather in the way this government are being portrayed as doing

I see little evidence of those concerns. Public demonstration of not feeling it has been thought through properly is commendable. Fettering on the basis of not liking a particular government is irresponsible.

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 08:37 AM

Look on my FB page, Dave

Do you never actually read anything anyone else says, Lizzie?

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:07 AM

No thanks, Lizzie. You accuse me of all sorts of things that are untrue. One of them is stalking you. As you know, because I have already told you, the only contact I have with you is on the Mudcat, I never have and have no intention of starting to follow you on Facebook or anywhere else for that matter.

It's like pissing in the wind...

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 07:50 AM

From Musket:"If he's a bastard, are you a whore?"

Well, I was using the term 'bastard' in the informal way of "An unpleasant or despicable person" to describe Frances Egan, who is exactly that, as he has no care for anyone in this country, no care about fracking under their homes, no care about changing our ancient laws of trespass...just a deeply arrogant bastard.....

In what way are you using the term 'whore' towards me exactly?

Are you asking if I have sex with endless men?
If so, what has this to do with Fracking?

Surely, that's FUCKING, isn't it?

Last time I looked, this thread was about FRACKING, but my eyes are getting very old now, so perhaps I'm actually in a thread about FUCKING, and if so, I do apologize most profoundly.....

Oh, and by the way, if the informal usage of the term 'bastard' should ring some bells within you, Musket, please, do feel free to use it, perhaps inserting the words 'I Am A Total' before writing it on your hat, your T shirt, or even a large tattoo across your chest, mayhap....

'Bastard' - Definition from The Oxford English Dictionary

Thank you and do have a nice day.

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 07:48 AM

Look on my FB page, Dave, from weeks/months back, but you need to press '2014, then 'highlights', then 'see all stories' to find it, due to FBs insane way of doing the pages these days...

You'll find it there....

I've spoken to Cuadrilla about many things, phoned them up...they couldn't give a fuck, they really couldn't.

I resurrected this story on my FB again just the other day, take a look, it's there..for those who may have missed it...and many did, sharing it out to others. I decided to bring it here too that same day.

Sorry to disappoint you.

Lord Browne, who advises the government on Energy, (who is a proven perjuror too, lying in court for over 2 weeks, over how he took money from BP, his former employers, to fund his gay lover and their life-style, then, admitting he was lying after the Daily Mail, who he'd taken to court, produced irrefutable evidence) owns around 30% of Cuadrilla...

Frances Egan is the CEO of Cuadrilla...

Do the math
Join the dots

We are literally facing 'The Battle Of Britain II'

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 01:53 PM

Oh, well done Lizzie. Glad you now agree with me.

From: Dave the Gnome - PM
Date: 12 Jun 14 - 09:37 AM

I think it is far from said and done. When the boss of a fracking company says he will pull out of the UK unless the law is changed something has seriously rattled his cage.

Not sure why it has taken you 10 days to spot this but maybe you could not read the news from up chief whaasisnames arse?

:D tG

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: GUEST,reader of IPCC reports
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 05:50 AM

"Whatever squabbles are breaking out in this thread I have still not seen anything posted in favour of fracking!"

Here is one, but it is from IPCC, not me personally:

"Shale gas can help the world to avoid dangerous climate change if it replaces coal in power stations..."

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Musket
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 05:34 AM

If he's a bastard, are you a whore?

Perhaps the thread title "Why won't the fracking companies speak?" has its answer in your post above.

Not much point debating with ignorant people. If some can't address this issue in a civil manner, my advice to anyone is not to engage till they do. Most of the general public these days are too sophisticated to be impressed with mob rule. Most people can decide whether they are happy with politicians without agitators thinking they know what is good for them. I vote for politicians, I don't vote for scruffy herberts who tie themselves to trees and fetter public order for the benefit of the press posse.

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 04:11 AM

FRACK FREE LANCASHIRE - Facbook Page

And yes, the fracking companies are speaking out, here's one of The Bastards..and he's part of the reason Cameron is determined to change our Ancient Laws of Trespass....

Fracking Company Boss speaks out

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 01:44 PM

I spent a few hours in Blackpool today meeting up with members of various other anti-fracking groups and raising awareness among passers-by.

It was an unsolicited comment from a member of the public that suddenly made me realise where the jobs that are supposed to be generated by the act of fracking are going to be needed for. Security Guards.

With between 2000 and 3300 wells estimated for Lancashire just thing of the policing that will be needed when the bomb threats start, and there are already rumours.

It's not a job that I would take on.

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 01:53 AM

Detract, not distract. I am wont to blame the iPad but it could be my lack of education after all.

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 06:21 AM

It does with me too, Musket. Along with the pressure that is being brought to bear to introduce it. Makes me wonder who is going to benefit most but I am to long in the tooth to realise that it will not be us!

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Musket
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 04:48 AM

Police tactics when dealing with protestors can be appalling, and as a football fan, I can empathise with protestors. That alone however doesn't add nor distract from the arguments over sustainability, ecological impact or implications for local residents.

For many, the opportunity to oppose can overtake the opposition, and I saw a lot of that in 1984. I was at Orgreave. My finest memory? When we got fed up of the political agitators standing at the back shouting "charge!" and turned on them. The reports still show that as police brutality, when it was the poor buggers on strike who were frustrated by being pawns in a bigger game. We turned on the Socialist Workers' Party thugs, not the police.

That was my apprenticeship into cause and effect. We were concerned about jobs, security and energy source, those at the back were concerned with removing a government.

I see far more publicity over who has shares in fracking companies than whether fracking is the answer to a maiden's prayer. That rings alarm bells.

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Black belt caterpillar wrestler
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:49 PM

I have been to a "Keep East Lancashire Frack Free" meeting tonight.

Someone had found out that planners are being told to regard fracking as a sustainable energy source. How does that work then? Is someone pumping more gas from somewhere else back into the ground?

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:11 PM

Do Mohawk Warrior Unity Flags stop fracking?

Of course. Liz stuffs them down the bore hole. Perhaps another sort of hole would be more appropriate for her.

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 02:31 PM

I think we started mining when we knew no better and could not see, or did not care, that the resources that we remove from the earth are finite, Musket. We now live in a different world and generally speaking people are much more aware of the environmental impact of these actions. I believe there are documented issues with fracking, some quite serious, and while I fully understand we need power I believe that renewable resources should be the first priority.

What is more, it is as much the attitude of the fracking companies and the politicians supporting them, that is winning them no friends. Basically, bullying tactics and greasing palms seems to be the order of the day. My experience at Barton Moss was as much against the GMP as it was against fracking. The tactics of the police were seriously lacking in any moral fibre. It was a real eye opener to understand that I could have been arrested on the flimsiest of grounds and incarcerated for up to 2 days simply for protesting.

Sadly, whether fracking is a viable alternative or not, and I doubt it is, the powers supporting it have already alienated themselves to so many people that I can honestly see a peoples revolt if it progresses any further.

Just my 2p.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 02:04 PM

Do Mohawk Warrior Unity Flags stop fracking? While you've all been squabbling with pooooorrrr, misunderstood, cruelly persecuted Lizzie, I've had a whizzo idea: Why don't we just get a load of Mohawk Warrior Unity Flags and stick them on poles all over Barton Moss? The bastards won't be able to get a frack in sideways (which, I believe, is the desired direction ... possibly?).

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 01:49 PM

Ohhhh! I want a Mohawk Warrior Unity Flag! It's not fair!


By the way ... uuummm ... what is a Mohawk Warrior Unity Flag?

Subject: RE: BS: Why won't the fracking companies speak?
From: Musket
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 12:06 PM

Possibly because everybody seems to have come to a conclusion. Not that it is helpful, mind. I have read from both sides and still can't decide.

The same types of people who joined us on the picket lines in 1984 when they tried shutting our pits are the ones demonstrating against er.. deep drilling for an energy source that could have an effect on the ground above it.

As our American friends would say, go figure...