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Subject: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 04:43 AM

Wot, says Mr Chad, -- no thread on the World Cup yet?

Well, then, inevitably, here goes.

To kick off [geddit?]: what the hell happened to Rooney last night? Couldn't do a thing right, poor guy. Missed a sitter, and two or three other quite easy shots; selfishly robbed Hailey of the ball without a by-your-leave when he was on a good run near goal and then missed with his own shot; kicked a corner straight off for a goal-kick, which nobody ever does except 11-year-old schoolboys ... I could go on. Pathetic performance. I repeat, what the hell happened to him?

a BTW: watching Greece lose to Colombia in the World Cup last night, I remarked to Emma that at least the Greeks would be sure to be philosophical in defeat -- esp as they had a player called Sokrates.

And,another BTW, going back many many years to my teaching days: I have happy memories of a mental image raised by an essay written by a boy in praise of his hero Bobby Charlton, who had done so much to help England win that sacred World Cup all those years ago. "Bobby Charlton has a brother Jack," he added at one point, " who also played for England in the WC."

Way to go...

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 05:33 AM

My husband spent ages yesterday tying England flags to the front of our house, (It looks a bit naff, but I don't interfere.) He stayed up to watch the match and was a bit grumpy this morning so I assumed England hadn't done well. Rooney is his absolute hero, so I bet he was disappointed if the man played as you relate. He also intends to stay up to watch Cote d'Ivoire play in their matches. I go to bed at 10.30pm and sleep like a top until 6am. All these nocturnal excitements pass me by!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 05:54 AM

FECK, the world cup!!

Do you guys KNOW what Brazil is actually DOING? Genocide, Ecocide, $30BILLION spent on fecking football whilst her people live in squalor and hunger...

Chief Raoni and his nephew, Chief Megaron have been all over Europe these past days, to raise awareness of what's happening over there, of the grave danger we are ALL in.......I was honoured to meet them both on Tuesday and here is my report on what they had to say....


Of Chiefs & Children - The London Visit of Chief Raoni & Chief Megaron


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 06:26 AM

Start your own thread, Lizzie. You will impress nobody by trying to 'FECK' up mine, darling. What's more, you know it...

You may not like it, but quite a lot of people in the world are quite interested in the occasion; which will go on at that, in spite of your moans and animadversions.

So just live with it, eh?

Luv

☯~Michael~☯


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,big al whittle
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 07:13 AM

she's got animadversions.......poor dear!

i can't believe a man with your vocabulary would find distraction in a game that has made us all sick as a parrot. a mere bagatelle. it a bit like hitler and jesse owens. you can't ignore someone being a shit - just because you're having a game of footie.

anyway - what is there to say. the best world cup i ever saw the one in argentina - and they were a gang of fascist gits running argentina at the time.

think you're wasting your time lizzie - but you carry on if it makes sense. i think most people will just get off on the glamour and spectacle of the occasion.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 07:25 AM

Your thread is entitled 'World Cup'...

HERE is what is going on BEHIND that World Cup you are so enjoying watching..and it will affect ALL of us.

2 minutes long. I'm sure, Michael, that you can spare just 2 minutes out your thread to help Chief Raoni spread the word...as his people are facing Genocide. Thank you.

SOS AMAZONIA - What is happening behind The World Cup


Al, if I gave up, or had never started, as you've chosen to do, then there would be no point in anything, would there. As it is, there is now a World Movement rising, against The World Cup, against Brazil's government....


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 08:04 AM

I thought they showed potential and enough flexibility in the squad to have answers from the bench. I agree with Alan Shearer though that they turn off during set pieces and see free kicks as a break from concentration, as the first Italy goal showed. The comeback showed the positive temperament Hodgson has instilled in them.

Ok, a more central role for Rooney would help. Welbeck can take the ball from defenders but not seeing much dispossession otherwise. Gerrard needs to come forward more, and Let's hope Henderson can cover.

The most positive sign for the future was Sterling.

They haven't made it easy for themselves but I took more positives than negatives from the match. Other than the ruddy score.

Thoroughly enjoying this World Cup to date. Plenty of goals for the armchair excitement, some bloody good players at the top of their game. I haven't seen any negative play yet, nobody playing the draw. Look at Spain as a good example, tried playing their way out. It didn't work but they didn't put ten men behind the ball.

Millions of people look forward to international bun fights such as The World Cup, and although FIFA needs huge reform, (Qatar isn't their finest hour) the misery merchants can be safely ignored and marginalised for a few weeks whilst normal people enjoy the spectacle.

CCCEERRRMMMM. OOONNN. EEENNNGGEERRLLLAAAAAAANNNNDDDD!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: bobad
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 08:11 AM

"In football everything is complicated by the presence of the opposite team."

― Jean-Paul Sartre


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 08:51 AM

"They haven't made it easy for themselves but I took more positives than negatives from the match."

As did I. Still, it seems to me there isn't much hope tho I will still cheer them all the (short?) way. As for Rooney, well, He seems to be on a steady course of decline mentally and physically.

BTW... Liz... I do not read any of your posts anymore.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,allan Conn
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 11:04 AM

Rooney did set the goal up. He was played out of his favoured position though


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 11:20 AM

One thing is for certain - there is no longer a requirement to possess a Roman Nose in order to be selected for the Italian team!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 11:28 AM

Hi

I agree that there were several positives to take from the game. The game itself was quite enjoyable. No diving, acting etc etc and both teams trying to go forward.

As for individuals, Rooney did not have a great game but, he is not being played in his most effective position. Why pick your best striker and play him completely out of position??

We did not do enough in mid-field and I thought Henderson was invisible after one early shot on goal. Johnson can't tackle and his distribution is pathetic. Baines was overrun most of the time and his "famous" corners and free kicks were all wasted.

On a brighter note Sterling ran at the Italians and caused them problems although his final ball often wasn't good. Welbeck was industrious and his speed got him around a lot. Sturridge looked dangerous and will do better if we can give him more service.

We will need to play better if we are to progress further. On last night's performance I don't see them standing much chance against the likes of Germany, Holland, Argentina Brazil and the rest.

Cheers - happy viewing

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ed T
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 11:44 AM

The Canadian men's national soccar team decided to support the Brazil boycot, not to play in the cuo games in Brazil...(yes, it was also because their seasons ranking was 110th - but, that was a mostly a peripheral issue).


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ed T
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 11:46 AM

Woops, cuo = cup


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,michaelr
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 12:28 PM

Trust Bozo to come up with a gratuitous racist comment...

The best goal so far - one for the ages - was the header by Netherlands'
Van Persie who connected with a 50-yard pass. Brilliant!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Stu
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 12:29 PM

"Ok, a more central role for Rooney would help"

Didn't Hodgson play him in his favoured club position in the second half though? Him and Gerrard seem to be in some sort of alternate realities when on the pitch, hardly linking up. Apart from his cross in to Sturridge (which was a belter) he looks so uncomfortable when playing for England.

Also, Glen Johnson looks positively pedestrian and lacking imagination when going forward.

Apart from that though, I thought England played positively and it was good to see some attacking football and positive substations.

I like Sterling too: he reminds me of Tony Daley in his heyday.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 01:29 PM

Ed... "peripheral issue" Hahahahahaa!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 01:56 PM

Yes, indeed, a most welcome absence of diving, playacting, serious fouls, grabbing of shirts and limbs, wrestling & shoving while waiting for corners &c. A really nice, old-fashioned, gentlemanly game, in fact; credit to both teams.

Long may it...!

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jun 14 - 05:49 PM

Sorry, but there are times when only personal attacks will suffice.

Lizzie, You are an arsehole. And a stupid one at that.

There. It may be deleted, and I am not even a football fan so I don't care. But it needed to be said.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Jun 14 - 05:31 AM

not very nice Dave - she's entitled to her opinion. I suppose the point is that its trade shop window. people say - if they can put something like this together. perhaps its a place we can invest in.

anyway its a game of two halves - and the side that doesn't let as many goals in as the other - has, in fact, an excellent chance of winning.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jun 14 - 05:49 AM

The opinion is fine, Al. It is the barrage of it on any post that gets me down. But, yes, it isn't very nice. It wasn't intended to be :-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 16 Jun 14 - 06:36 AM

The thread is about football, not the moral dimension of the Brazilian government.

Unless Lizzie can help explain why we didn't bring on Ross Barkley a bit sooner, or move Rooney to a more centre forward position and have Gerrard feed him more, there's not much point in her contribution really.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 16 Jun 14 - 10:09 AM

I suppose one could point out that many of the participating countries have terrible problems with poverty, corruption, oppression and lack of human rights. But the point of a world sporting competition, I would have thought, is to put all that temporarily to one side and bring peoples together for a superb sportfest. This could influence nations to change by example and contact. I don't see how the football does much harm, and millions around the world are getting immense pleasure from all the excitement. We have a nice big England flag tied on the house, and some smaller ones too. My husband is rapt with them and has put photos of these flags on his Facebook page. My sis up in Scotland saw them and remarked that she dare not do the same, as the Scottish Independent lunatics would put a brick through her window!
(I hardly dare confess that we had to buy a copy of The Sun to get the big flag free. What a strange paper that is. It went straight in the bin of course.)


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Ian
Date: 16 Jun 14 - 11:49 AM

I think you have hit the nail on the head there.Eliza


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Will Fly
Date: 16 Jun 14 - 11:59 AM

I'm no fan of the modern game but caught a bit of the France/Honduras game last night. Sickening play - mainly, but not totally - from Honduras.

Sport? My arse.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 16 Jun 14 - 01:04 PM

Typing this at halftime in Germany v Portugal. Germany got a penalty 10 minutes in. Then one Portuguese player off already for horrible, punch-in-face, foul followed by headbutting his victim as he lay on the ground.

Will say again what a pleasing oasis in all this unseemliness was provided by the England v Italy match, where there were no serious fouls, and few even slight ones, no diving, rolling or other play-acting; but just an enjoyable gentlemanly straightforward match.

What is it, BTW, with this rolling over&over affectation that every player who falls over these days seems to need to indulge in? When one falls over, one doesn't roll like that, whatever the impetus. You would think they were playing on a 45º slope!

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: selby
Date: 16 Jun 14 - 03:02 PM

I have decided to boycott the current England side until they pick Bobby Charlton he is a proper player!!!!!!!!
Keith


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 16 Jun 14 - 04:24 PM

Ho way the lads!

Can't wait till Thursday night.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 16 Jun 14 - 06:00 PM

Eliza there is and always has been a real rivalry in football and yes many, I'd say probably most, Scots like to see England beaten. It was so long before the rise of the SNP and has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with football.

I can't imagine there are many bricks put through windows though. It could of course happen but I would imagine it would be very rare indeed and of course things like that happen elsewhere in the UK as much as they do in Scotland. If there is football violence though it has nothing to do with the SNP or referendum. It has to do with thuggery.

I remember a case prior to the devolution referendum when Channel 4 wanted to film a documentary on anti-Englishness in Scotland. They put two guys in England rugby shirts and sent them along Rose Street to be picked on. Of course Edinburgh being Edinburgh they were basically ignored. So the producers thought let's go to Glasgow they'll get into bother there. Unfortunatly all that happened in Glasgow was that people bought them drinks and told them that football was a proper game. So the producers then had a bright idea of decking a car in the union jack and leaving it. It got bricked and the producers thought "yipee we've got our anti-Englishness" but then it was pointed out that the car had been left in Parkhead and the car was almost certainly bricked because it was taken for a Rangers supporter's car. Nothing to do with anti-Englishness. They had to admit defeat and abandon the programme.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 16 Jun 14 - 06:07 PM

When they rebuilt Wembley, they had to knock down some very old parts of English heritage.

Except the goal post at one end.

That wasn't quite so old I recall. Got replaced for some reason. Can't quite put my finger on it........


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 16 Jun 14 - 06:10 PM

I can remember one or two minor incidents in Scotland during World Cups but nothing like this below. Nor the other tragic incident where a young Russian lad was stabbed to death because he was mistaken for a German.

http://hoolinews.co.uk/hoolinews2.php?2004|66


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 16 Jun 14 - 06:18 PM

I don't think my sis was entirely serious about bricks through her window Allan, but her area (Perthshire, between Dundee and Perth) seems to have a large and strident Nationalist contingent. I doubt if anyone in her village has England flags hanging on their house. She actually adores Scotland and wouldn't ever leave. I do hope I didn't offend you by my post? If so, it wasn't intended and I'm truly sorry.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 16 Jun 14 - 06:28 PM

Come on Musket we are not talking about that which was celebrations gone OTT and of course in the decades that followed Scotland fans got repeated plaudits for good, friendly, if admittedly drunken behaviour. We are talking about people or their property getting attacked in their own homes or in the street etc because they display their national colours during televised tournaments. It could possibly happen in Scotland. I'm not suggesting that it is not a possibility. But it is no more likely to happen in Scotland than anywhere else and I can't remember any incidents like those I've posted above happening in Scotland during tournaments overseas! And the idea that if there was football related violence directed towards England supporters then it would be by SNP voters is silly and more than a wee bit ignorant to be quite truthful. There is plenty grumping at each other in the referendum between Scottish Unionists and Scottish Nats but any incidents of violence have been very, very rare and I know of none specifically directed towards English incomers. Sorry but the idea had to be brought to heel. We have our serious football trouble and it is called religious sectarianism. So we're no goody two shoes. Basically though it would be nice to have a thread relating to England without someone having an unnecessary pop at Scotland.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 16 Jun 14 - 06:37 PM

Fair do Eliza I accept you didn't mean it but when one reads that soemone can't put their flag up because of "Scottish Independent lunatics" then you can maybe see that it doesn't read well.

Of course there are lots of people out canvassing etc and the Yes campaign is stronger at the grass roots level and the area you mention is a traditionally strong SNP area.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,#
Date: 16 Jun 14 - 09:21 PM

It's become a travesty. However, it does provide a wonderful place for like-minded people to meet. Doesn't matter who is tossed aside. Great game.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 05:09 AM

next match on Thursday - they're dragging it out a bit.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 05:36 AM

Sectarianism. Isn't that something to do with religion dictating your football team?

Sorry Allan. My joke got the defensive response I would expect. Tolerance isn't a word I use much when referring to communities in Scotland.

Anyway.

We are talking World Cup. Nothing to do with Ally's Tartan Army. {snigger}

Fingers crossed Rooney gets a more central role and Gerrard gets to go forward more. Counting the minutes to Thursday night.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 05:41 AM

If they were dragging it out should it not be referred to as a transvestite rather than a travesty?

I'll get my coat...

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 06:05 AM

You're quite right Musket in certain areas of Scotland sectarianism is still a problem. I wasn't suggesting we didn't have our problems. We have enough without imagined new ones.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Stu
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 07:30 AM

". . . I'd say probably most, Scots like to see England beaten."

Odd though. We always support all the home nations in everything, always have done. I support Villa first (grew up in Brum), England at footy (born there), and Wales at rugby (due to the my maternal side of the family being largely Welsh). After that, whomever's left in any competition from our islands gets my support. We're all one people, see. Luckily, the more enlightened Scots I know are happy to support England.

"It has to do with football."

Er, righto. That's just how it comes across.

"Basically though it would be nice to have a thread relating to England without someone having an unnecessary pop at Scotland."

Ah, that old sense of victimhood. The English get a constant barrage for the ills of empire and everything that's happened on these islands since 1066, off everyone. Best ignore the ignorant tosspots in my opinion, and play to your (our) strengths.


Meanwhile, in the football...

Impressed with Germany and looking forward to the Brazil/Mexico match tonight. Happy the England squad seem settled and unpressured and hope that they play as positively on Thursday as they did on Sunday. They're in with a chance (especially if they sort out their set piece blind spot).

Enjoying some great football! I love to see all these players from across the world in the same competition, a real treat.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 12:13 PM

I dunno Iran looked like a load of dirty sods and Nigeria were a bit disappointing.

I suppose in Iran women aren't allowed to play football. couldn't be any worse than the men.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 02:21 PM

Brazil/Mexico is on my list. Unfortunately, I shall only get to hear a lot of it as the TV is at the other end of the house from my desk. Of course, upon loud cheering, there will be a mad dash made.

I also was impressed with Germany Then again, there is an awful lot of football to be played.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 03:26 PM

Rather than dragging it out Al, I'm impressed that the fixtures allow the matches so close together. Although I am sure the coaching staff would like a longer gap to map out tactics and team selection. Too many limping off, and I don't just mean the physio...

Next Tuesday is cutting it fine. I leave London at 3.00, into Doncaster for 4.30 and at least 35 mins journey for a 5.00 kick off. I'd throw a sicky but we are discussing sickness and absence rates ......


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 06:15 PM

Some people do support all the Home Teams Stu. Many don't. Plenty instances of it like the old England song sung on the terraces to the tune of thet Monkees' song "Poor old Craigie Brown...oh what can it mean....for a sad Scottish bastard and a crap football team". Likewise when I returned from Spain 82 all you heard on the TV re the fans was "Bonnie bonnie Scotland...what's it liek to be back home". Euro 96 when the parachutes came down in Wembley with country's flags only 2 got booed. Germany and Scotland. The idea that everyone in England supports Scotland is a non-starter. And to tell you the truth who cares? We have 5 million fans we don't need any more.

The change has been in England itself. In the last few decades there seems to have been a real drop in confidence. In the 60s and 70s they knew Scots wanted them beat (and of course you could swap Scots for Welsh or Irish) and they laughed it off. It was taken as the daft sport's rivalry that it was. Denis Law felt no qualms about going on Parkinson and saying he had to play golf in 1966 when England were playing Germany because he couldn't bare to watch in case they won. Everyone just laughed and of course a few of the England team were his mates. Likewise the likes of Alan Ball and Mick Channon made it clear how much they loved and needed to beat Scotland. Not many in Scotland thought any worse of them. It is sport and they are the oldest sporting rivalry in the football world. I think it has been lost a bit in England now as Scotland have slid down the rankings, the yearly fixture has long ended, and Germany and Argentina have overtaken Scotland as the teams the English love to beat. England remains the hate team for Scots though. Probably the being in bed with an elephant thing. It may be silly but it is sport. Just a game and not politics or racism. It'd be like saying Man City fans are anti Manchester because they want Man Utd beaten.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 06:30 PM

And as to the victim hood thing. Sorry but you won't, or at least I don't think you will, find me posting things blaming England for everything since 1066. In fact in another post the other day I pulled a poster up for suggesting that Glencoe was England's fault. We Scots were perfectly capable of murdering our own. All I'm saying is there has been a tendency for posts about or relating to England to then have an element of having a go at Scotland develop in them. Tedious enough were it true but when it is relating to the fear of Scots nats lunatics bricking the windows of English people then it needs comment. No such thing has happened or has even threatened to happen. The debate is not an anti-English debate and even about a third of English born people living in Scotland support independence. You Stu may not care how other posters view Scotland but as a Scot I do. Just wanted people to know that the suggestion was way off the mark


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 12:16 AM

Indeed, Allan; all true. A pity how things have changed, tho: like when Andy Murray made his famous [or infamous] "Anyone but England" crack a few years back, he lost a lot of goodwill because too many people didn't even realise it was a joke.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 01:17 AM

Michael refers to that great British winner who for a few years was that Scottish loser.

Dave channel had a programme showing the all time best England goals. Coming in at number 4, I think it was (number 1 in my book) was where Gazza chipped the ball over Braveheart's head, ran round him and scored on the volley.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 01:36 AM

That Gazza goal #1 in my book too, indeed Muskie. Can't ever remember quite such a perfect display of football skill & control.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Dave Sutherland
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 03:17 AM

What about Bobby Charlton's goal v Mexico in 1966?
Anyway anyone know a decent pub in Tiverton where I can watch the match tomorrow night?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Stu
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 07:08 AM

" England remains the hate team for Scots though."

One issue is the endless harping back to 1966 by all and sundry in England. There seems to be a certain part of the media and fan base that assume because we invented the game we should be the best at it. This sense of entitlement is pretty cringeworthy at the best of times and the constant banging on about 1966 narks me off ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 08:45 AM

Why, Stu, what a miserable life you must lead if you 'nark off' so easy!

Re that Bobby Charlton goal, Dave: watched it again on YouTube. Very good example of one of those breakthru long runs & shot at the end which turn the crowd on; but hardly rare -- there's one not too different from that on MOTD most weeks. Lacking, tho, in that astonishing nonchalant elegance of that Gazza one.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 09:31 AM

I think what gets on many Scottish people's nerves a bit is that we watch the World Cup through England's (ie our footballing rivals) eyes. even during the opening ceremony they whittered on non-stop about England. I dare say had it been broadcast by BBC Scotland or STV and Scotland were in the tournament then our commentators etc would be the same. Difference is that the whole of England wouldn't be force fed it too.

The point about Andy Murray is the perfect example of taking things too serious. He was in a press interview with Tim Henman and the interviewer asked him who he'd be supporting as they tended to do to Scots for a while though there has been little of it so far this year. Henman joked "he won't be supporting Scotland anyway as they didn't make it" to which Murray joked back "I'll just support anyone who's playing England". It was all banter but several papers the next day run the story that "Murray hated England" and there was a tirade of both online and offline abuse against him. Even a death threat! Despite both Henman and the journalist himself insisting that they were all just having a good natured banter the story persisted for years. In a documentary last year Murray said that is why he seldom speaks to the press now other than on tennis matters and is very guarded in waht he says.

I think other prominent Scots who are now asked would be very reluctant to even suggest that they might not support England - despite what they really feel. It is daft to think that you can pressurise people into support a particular football team!!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 03:42 PM

Cahill scored what could be the goal of the tournament.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 04:18 PM

Some goal!! Aussies are a tad unlucky


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 04:58 PM

Spain? WTF? I am shocked.

My fav goal so far... header by Robin van Persie.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 05:23 PM

Agreed re both the Cahill & van Persie goals.

I enjoyed the commentator's comment that someone had "committed a foul right under the referee's nose". Sounded oddly painful.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Stu
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 05:54 PM

Cahill's goal was incredible!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 03:04 AM

I had a very short one way telephone conversation with my friend Matty in Madrid a few minutes ago. It went thus;

Hola! Mateo! El Gordo full back eh?

Then the phone went dead....


Life is good


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 06:17 AM

Hi

Was surprised by the performance by Chile. They completely outplayed Spain ( The current holders) in every single department.

They were fitter faster and cleverer than Spain.

I think this was the most physically demanding game I have seen in this competition this year. Chile tackled like tigers and were pressing Spain into making many mistakes.

A good game to watch. If Chile can keep this up some of the other "high fliers" better watch out !!!

Roll on tonight....got my fingers crossed !!

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Hrothgar
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 06:38 AM

I am glad that I am not Spanish.

... and even more so that I am not in the Spanish soccer team.

At least the Australians will be safe when they come home.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,LK867
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 06:57 AM

Spain played like a third division team. Soccer is like a religion in that country so the team and manager will feel the brunt of it on their return home. The French people openly displayed their anger when their side flopped in South Africa four years ago.

Still think Argentina or Brazil will win the tournament, my hope still remains with Germany.

As for tonight's match, come on Uruguay !


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 08:50 AM

"Roll on tonight....got my fingers crossed !!"

Not to be a stick in the mud but, more like roll over. Just can't see it, although, of course, I shall root for England. Alan Morehouse reminded me on Facebook that they have never beaten Uruguay in the World Cup. That doesn't mean anything but if they play today as they have been playing, I don't hold much hope. Then again, how pleasant a surprise if they prevail!

GO ENGLAND!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 09:04 AM

Just got back from the supermarket. Got five mates coming round to watch the match here tonight. Lots of beer and nibbles at the ready.

Judging by some of the other matches, England stand a chance against any of what I have seen. Can't lose against Uruguay or it is all academic.

EEENNNGGGEERRRRLLLLAAAAANNNNNNNNDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




RRRROOOOOOOONNNNNNNEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Stu
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 09:23 AM

I too have been to the local supermarket for beer, nibbles and cheese.

Looking forward to tonight, hoping they keep positive and keep going forward.

Let's 'ave yer!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 09:50 AM

I have 2 x 10cl bottles of rather good Malt Whisky left from a Fathers day pressy on Sunday. So I may well watch the England match with Scotland's finest export ;-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,allan conn
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 11:43 AM

Gnu why the pessimism? Even as a Scot i must say that England were miles better in their first game than Uruguay were


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 12:54 PM

I don't wanna get in a 'match of wits' with so few weapons of my own in regards to football but I just don't think some of the strategy regarding Rooney, Gerrard and Lampard during the second game showed promise. I expect to see them press hard and early today... what we in Canuckistan would say is 'Everyone FLY!".

Having said all I have, I must reiterate that my knowledge is limited to a level well below all who have posted to this thread. Allow me an example... ya wanna talk Yankee football? I believe that sums up my take on it so ignore my comments and enjoy the game. I have lots of ale and scored cooked lobsters at $4.99 a pound. Haven't seen that price for YEARS! I saw the sign and the lineup so I caught the fish guys eye and held up 6 fingers, to which he gave me a thumbs up. An hour later, I retrieved my prize. I'll be crackin bugs within the hour. Mmmmmmmmmmmm.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 01:04 PM

Starting to get excited now. Have to make sure a little bit of wee doesn't pop out.

Did I type that out loud?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,LK867
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 01:13 PM

Love the fair unbiased commentary during the match against Italy (which I thoroughly enjoyed) When an English player attempted to cripple an Italian striker heading towards goal, it was "He had no choice, it was a professional foul, he had to stop him, it was the right thing to do"

Charmingly arrogant with a hint of self righteousness.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 01:16 PM

Agree with that, I must say. Professional foul, be buggered. Might as well talk of the necessity of a "Professional bank robbery". Ashamed that a player in an England shirt would stoop to such tactics.

~M~

~small>teeheeheehee...


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,LK867
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 01:29 PM

Enjoy the match tonight Michael, you and I are in the minority here when it comes to soccer! hope you are enjoying the whole tournament, loving it at this end. Next week will see things heat up.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 03:54 PM

Now that is what I am talkin 'bout. I am hopeful and glued to the screen. BTW, the lobsters are deeeelish! Wish you were all here to partake. Beautiful header for the goal... wrong team. Sigh.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 04:56 PM

Elation upon the Rooney goal. Then not so much. Sigh. But... heck of a game and that's what counts.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 04:56 PM

Oh dear. Husband just gone outside to take down our flags. I daren't say anything; he looks as if he might burst into tears.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,LK867
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:02 PM

Cometh the hour, cometh the man. A wonderful game and a great result.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:03 PM

Super game and we looked like we could have won. We could still get through and, on tonight's performance, if we did we could do well. But who will bet on it :-(

Still, onwards and upwards. Or something like that.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:07 PM

Some of us aren't complaining. A bunch of overpaid posers meet reality, only outdone by the US NFL. I didn't watch the match because the result was all too predictable, all the way. Now it's likely out of the way, we can get back to normal and work on what we are good at - and soccer ain't it. No "clearly" based on the short-term result, some of us could have told you that from way on back.
It's a pretty tawdry kind of nationalism, being required to support such a side, just because they wrap themselves in an English flag. Jingoism writ small. By all means enjoy a game, but to make the kind of fuss this has attracted is out of proportion. I'd have a bit more respect if most of those watching played. But they don't, so I don't.
Now if you want a game, play rugby.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:09 PM

Oh bollocks


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:15 PM

the gangs all here
ashen faced Ron Knee
Sid and Doris Bonkers......


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:29 PM

☹☹☹☹·☠☠☠☠☠☠·☹☹☹☹


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:29 PM

Now if you want a game, play rugby.

I did. For a long tome. League of course being from Lancashire. Not a big fan of football but would not dream of pissing on the enjoyment of so many others. Like the anonymous guest whom I guess never played any game that meant he may come face to face with anyone :-)

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:48 PM

"For a long tome"
.,,.

War & Peace ?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 06:35 PM

really Dave - my family was from st Helens. my dad as a very young man used to play the saints.
where are you from?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 06:47 PM

england are at best an average team and have been for decades. yes, i know scotland are shite but we recognised that long ago and party anyway. seriously though, maybe english fans can now stop fooling themselves and get behind good footballing teams and enjoy the event with less feverish chauvinism. and inevitably disappointment


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 07:42 PM

Must be said I like your definition of enjoyment none the less, DtG: supporting the English football team must be the ultimate form of masochism.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 09:08 PM

Great result for a country with a population smaller than Glasgow's.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,LK867
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 03:18 AM

According to the media this morning the England team need a " Good cleaning out" maybe they should bring them to that Chinese on the Andersonstown Road in Belfast, seems to work for the rest of us on a Sunday morning.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 03:39 AM

We need to beat Costa Rica by a fairly hefty margin and for Italy to win both their next games.

Piss easy.

Howay the lads!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,LK867
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 03:55 AM

One paper said Steven Gerrard should have been " Pulled Off" at half time. Why give him a treat like that ?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 05:02 AM

apparently the team had a pre-match talk from Frank Lampard about how horrible it would be to get sent home. real motivational stuff...


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 06:10 AM

Hi Don't know happened with previous message. Must have got hi-jacked by Uruguay !!

We were beaten by a more determined team on the day. They appeared to want it more than us. And as for Suarez - what can I say, I don't like the guy as a person , but he is one hell of a player.

Never mind we English are hardened to all this. At least we didn't lose on penalties. We were spared that!!

But no miracle I fear !!

Cheers


MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Stu
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 06:12 AM

Ah well.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 06:14 AM

Swinton initially, Al, and then Salford - Both big RL towns in their day and now while both still have a team neither have a home ground in their home towns! I never progressed past the school team but I enjoyed running down the left wing before I discovered girls and booze :-)

DtG
(Now firmly ensconced near Skipton)


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 06:18 AM

MikeL -- Just out of interest what your objection to Suarez 'as a person'? Seems a likeable enough young man to me.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 06:31 AM

"Great result for a country with a population smaller than Glasgow's"
Well said Peter.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 07:02 AM

What's with all the nasty crap? It was an exciting game. Disappointing outcome but that is what winning is all about... not losing. As for the detractors of the sport, why do you bother wasting your time... and that of everyone else? How is it said across the pond?... sod off?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 07:21 AM

About the only football link they do have with Glasgow....


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 07:29 AM

Guest what population do you think Glasgow has????? The city itself is only a fraction of Uruguay's population and even if you took the urban area it is still well short. Uruguay has about 3.3 million people.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 07:35 AM

"About the only football link they do have with Glasgow...."

Don't know there appeared to be links last night. I take it I wasn't the only one to notice one or two Saltires amongst the Uruguay fans? Either some Uruguayans flying Scottish flags or Scots amongst the Uruguayans!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: G-Force
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 09:40 AM

Pull Gerrard off at half time??? I wouldn't have even played him at all. I'm fed up with him taking all the corners and free kicks and doing nothing with them. Not content with chucking away Liverpool's league title, now he's done the same to England's world cup.

It's a shame how we have to wait for these aging heroes to retire rather than just dropping them, but because it's the media who effectively pick the team these days I suppose no manager is going to dare to leave out a past hero.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 10:51 AM

Apologies guest, Allan and all: serious mistake on my part. For some reason I can't explain, I thought Uruguay's population was larger and Glasgow's smaller than they respectively are. The Glasgow population was Britain's second largest in my infancy (but not as big as Uruguay's). I see now that it has dwindled to half its former size thanks to boundary changes, resettlement to surrounding tow,ns etc.

Uruguay is still the smallest country in the tournament, by population.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 10:55 AM

About a gaggle of South London boroughs according to the commentator last night. I translated that into three Rotherhams in my mind.

And that is a frightening thought at any level...


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 01:00 PM

No penalty shot given to Costa Rica and then Italy gets 2.5 obvious bad calls for free kicks? I absolutely LOVED the goal before half time yet I still want Italy as England's prospects (once again, as understand it, hinge upon such a win). That goal was from God as a smite for the ungiven penalty shot. >;-) In any case, it's and exciting game... sorry if I disturbed anyone with my loud response to the beeeeeautiful goal.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 01:31 PM

It is Peter and of course the smallest nation to ever win the World Cup - and not once but twice it is has won it.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,LK867
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 01:57 PM

Was it just me or did anyone else notice Italy deliberately missed three open goals today ?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 02:06 PM

i doubt they missed anything deliberately, but the radio commentary said they missed a couple of sitters. I will have to wait till I watch the highlights when I get in from the rub a dub dub tonight.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 02:17 PM

Well, there's England out. Seve us right, the rubbish qe had been playing. Italy too, probably, if they go on playing as ineptly as that. Thought they were sleepwalking.

Anyone ever seen a worse display of refereeing ~~ if that travesty could be dignified by the name? Emma and I decided he must be an impostor who had locked the real ref in the loo & hired the costume at a joke shop...

~M~

Just going down now to watch France v Switz. Here's hoping for something a bit more worth seeing...


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 02:52 PM

½-hr later & still fulminating inwardly about that great big booby running about masquerading as a referee. Not even as if he could have been got at by either side. He spread his ineptitude with absolute impartiality both ways. Blatant yellow cards overlooked [the only one he gave was for sod-all to the wrong man], 2 obvious penalties missed ~~~

as Mr Wooster might have remarked: did you ever in all your puff see such a perfect perisher?


GGGGGrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 02:53 PM

There's a thread about spelling mistakes if you are interested Michael.

Runny poo. Useless bloody Ities.

No matter, test match season in full fling and I am a free man from next week so plotting my diary to take in some. Not for thirty odd years have I had opportunity to watch a full test match. Just the one day knock about fun or one day of a test.

Bring it on.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 03:00 PM

Ahhh. So I wasn't the only one who thought the ref was a total you-know-what. I sometimes wonder due to my limited knowledge but that display of ineptitude was obvious to even me. Of course, no matter now. Done deal. Let's see what the French and Swiss are up to. Got the rest of me bugs cracked just in time and the ale is cold.

Any thoughts on USA v Portugal on Sunday?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 04:03 PM

Ugh gnu! How could you? Cold beer! Grooooo! I like it at room temperature, not icy. I should think it puts barnacles on your binnacles like that.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 07:15 PM

League of course being from Lancashire said Dave the Gnome.
The George Hotel, Huddersfield is not in Lancashire.

I never progressed past the school team but I enjoyed running down the left wing before I discovered girls and booze

I spent a lot of time at scrum half or stand off (fly half) and never discovered any girls or booze there.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 01:51 AM

I didn't discover many girls as a tight head prop for that matter. Got my balls squeezed a few times though and I am convinced either a second row or number 8 has carnal knowledge of me.

I discovered the booze back at the clubhouse. I am completely out of touch with them but I may still hold the Worksop Rugby Club record for the dance of the flaming arseholes. Less than two inches. When one of the Peach twins tried to beat it he ended up explaining himself in A &E.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 05:32 AM

ah yes... he got blowback. we had to take one bloke to hospital with internal burns.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 07:17 AM

In this bloke's case, it was just a very sore skin and not as hairy an arse as before. A a fashion item, it is sure cheaper than anal bleaching, if truth be known. I contend that my record stood on account of having a hairier arse than most, protecting the skin more.

My record was with a rolled up copy The Daily M*il, and I remain grateful to Mr Dacre and his motley crew.

I think Al may be referring to scorching a Tudor rose onto a whitewash wall. I never tried it to be fair. I do know that it must be an old fashioned whitewash wall though, as more modern rendering is more heatproof and the scorch mark doesn't show.

Anyway,

Brazil v Costa Rica in the final?

Form does not seem to affect results up to yet.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 09:30 AM

Hi Michael

<" MikeL -- Just out of interest what your objection to Suarez 'as a person'? Seems a likeable enough young man to me.">

I don't like his attitudes and anyone who goes biting lumps out of the opposition doesn't go down as likeable to me !!

But as I said earlier he is one hell of a player.

Regards

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 09:37 AM

Hi G Force

I agree with some of your comments about Gerrard. He has never produced consistent top form for England. Great club player and OK he made a mistake that may have lost Liverpool the League but he had a great season otherwise.

As a captain he does not appear to be able to organize his team once they are on the pitch. Unlike John Terry and Rio Ferdinand who got left behind he does not inspire and marshall the defence.
INHO if either or both had been playing against Uruguay we would not have gone gung-ho for the win after we had equalised.

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 10:46 AM

Oh, yes, MikeL; there was that bite. Odd sort of way to go on. Have never quite figured that out...


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 11:22 AM

Hi Michael

Actually he was penalised on two occasions. One for the Chelsea Branislav Ivanovic incident; the other was in Holland when he was playing for Ajax against PSV Eindhoven midfielder Otman Bakkal. He never played for Ajax again. Maybe we should have taken the same steps ?? !!

Regards

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 11:27 AM

shit music this year - I really liked that music we had for Argentina


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 11:43 AM

The George Hotel, Huddersfield is not in Lancashire.

Sorry, Guest, but I have no clue why you should mention said hotel. I seem to be attracting completely balmy comments nowadays. Must be me.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,michaelr
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 01:49 PM

Well, it has surely been interesting. Spain crapped out, Italy looks sluggish, and right now Argentina can't get anything going against Iran.
Netherlands and Germany are my favorites so far.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 02:01 PM

Well. That was quite a game. Felt bad for the Iranian keeperin the first of 4 minutes added. The lad did a great job all game and there were many saves. Then, heartbreak at the end. They fielded a good team. I was impressed. Now it's time to cheer for the Mainland English. >;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 02:33 PM

Two good candidates there for sure, michaelr. I favour Germany to win myself -- let's see how they do in ½-hr's time; while Emma fancies France.

What price Messi, tho? Just as one was wondering where all the magic had gone ~~~ Vrrrrooooommmmm!

You'd think he'd saved it up, just for a climax. But could even he be quite so adept a showman as that?

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 03:57 PM

Well the present game is all entertaining. Seems like Germany is gradually matching Ghana's open, balls to the wall, style, bit by bit. I will be glued to the screen.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Jun 14 - 08:57 PM

dont cry for me argentina, we wont because they will win the cup


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 04:46 AM

My husband says he thinks Germany will win, because they're focused and determined. (Two things the England team were not.) I felt a bit sorry for Rooney sitting dejectedly in front of the press, fielding questions about their disappointing performance. My husband said, "He can wipe his tears on his payslip." !


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 05:01 AM

I too thought Germany would win -- see above. But drawing with Ghana has somewhat reduced their chances, eh? Just suppose USA beat them & overtake them, & Ghana win remaining match. Unlikely; but Germany no longer one of the cast-iron certs to proceed as appeared previously.

Still -- keeps things interesting!

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 06:25 AM

Interesting is good. Looking forward to the USA game even though I know little about either team.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 11:43 AM

well Klinsman is working for USA. At least ten times more intelligent than anyone involved in the England squad - should be interesting.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 01:54 PM

Just to put the UK's early exit in context, Belgium goes through...that has to hurt.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Jim McLean
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 02:21 PM

I was surprised not to see a white face in the Ghana team. Is this a result of reverse racism?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 02:46 PM

I am a woman. I am an American. I have just discovered football! (American style football is misnamed- I am in awe of 'soccer's athletes. Maybe American football should be called 'Passball'? Or 'Kickball'?)

I have now watched all or part of four matches- I had no idea that one could scarcely drag one's eyes from the screen.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 06:39 PM

For once I actually felt sorry for Rooney and thought for once he showed humility when facing the press. Too be fair whoever Hodgson would have picked for his team whether it be younger players or the usual faithful old timers if the same failure had occurred he would have still been slammed for it no matter what he decided to do. Change of manager perhaps I don't know. I really thought that his constant support for his players would have made a difference.

Think I will stick with rugby I know where I am there.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,gnu on laptop
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 08:02 PM

UNreal. Yer ahead and ya get the ball in their end with less than 60 seconds left in the game and ya try to make a play rather than simply passing it BACK to your defence? WTF? USA deserves what they got with seconds to go. Piss me off!!!! Stunnedasmearse crap that. Champions don't make mistakes like that.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 08:05 PM

Change of the entire damned system, more like, from Manager to most players - after reducing salaries to something affordable. Low basic, performance bonuses?
Which brings me to another question: does failure on the pitch affect funding for the sport?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 09:31 PM

guest - you are living in an alternative universe, enjoy it! must be terrific fun!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 11:55 PM

Ebbie... when American 'football' was new, there was a lot more kicking involved- hence the name. Then there needed to be some other name for that game which few Americans played.

It doesn't have to make sense... but at least everyone knows what game 'soccer' refers to.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 01:18 AM

I could look it up but what does 'Association football' refer to? Why "association"?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 01:28 AM

Argentina might win


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 01:56 AM

Ebbie -

"The Laws of the Game were originally codified in England by The Football Association in 1863" -- Wikipedia

Governing body still called the FA in England, SFA in Scotland, which has now extended to bodies like UEFA [European FA] & FIFA [worldwide Federation International de FAs].

Used particularly to distinguish from Rugby Football, a handling game with an oval ball.

These days, pundits will refer to "Rugby or football", the latter meaning Soccer [which of course derives from 'association'], which strictly is incorrect, as they are both forms of football, & have the word in their names. But I have found it useless to protest ["MGM, your pedantry is legendary!" a friend once wrote in a post]; that's the way the language has gone, and even old King-Canute-MGM has failed to stem the tide...


❤~M~❤


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 02:42 AM

I spent 69p on a phone app that tracks England through the World Cup.

Thanks a lot Roy. You owe me.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,LK867
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 03:04 AM

FOR SALE.
Eleven pairs of football boots, only worn twice.
Contact English F.A.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 04:27 AM

Are those the boots that look so peculiarly like carpet-slippers? Why the hell do they wear those?

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,LK867
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 04:45 AM

Michael, there have been a shortage of rising stars in this tournament unlike previous years, still hard to say who will lift the trophy, who do you fancy ?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 05:05 AM

Well, it was Germany till Ghana drew with them. My wife Emma fancies France, and I am coming to agree with her...

But time will tell!

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,gnuonlaptop
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 02:02 PM

Oz played VERY well for 30, then well, then very well... on pressing and offense... Spain took advantage when opportunities arose. I was impressed with the young Oz team.

And Robben? Wow! That old man left men near half his age in his dust (yeah.... I got 2 TVs side by each).

Two mores games in an hour. Must try to do sommat productive until then.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,LK867
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 03:31 PM

Still sticking with Germany at this end Michael, do you recall that great final forty years ago between Germany and Holland ?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 12:06 PM

If he had started with this lineup against Italy, I'd have been excited....


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 01:57 PM

Well done, England. I was doubtful of the draw.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 02:04 PM

BTW... how does one get away with biting an opponent in front of millions of viewers? It was recorded by many cameras at different angles! He's been suspended before for this. Suarez should be banned from playing any sports for life. Absolutely shocking!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: G-Force
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 02:21 PM

Well done England? A squad worth about 550 million Pounds, and only two goals and one point to show for 270 minutes of football. Costa Rica are worth about one-eighteenth of that and top the group.

I don't blame Hodgson particularly, although some things could be better. We just need some defenders who can stay awake and some strikers who can kick straight.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 03:18 PM

We went to the Tesco superstore today and were a bit miffed to find the whole place festooned with Greek flags. Why? As you probably know, my husband is from Ivory Coast and was rather disappointed to see this, as his country play Greece this evening. It's a bit thick of Tesco to side with one team like this. Surprising really. Obviously one expects England flags to be displayed as they're selling various items (or were!) for England fans, but to go all out for blooming Greece and not mention the other team....grrr!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 03:28 PM

Suarez definitely DID bite again. I've just watched the replays. His victim had teeth-marks on his shoulder, I saw them clearly. This man should be banned for life. 'Three bites and you're out'. Hopefully the authorities and powers-that-be will act after watching it again, and ban him from ever playing football any more.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 03:46 PM

Eliza -- Has your Tesco by any chance got a Greek manager? I can otherwise think of no reason why an English store should particularly favour either Greece or Ivory Coast. Seems rather a bizarre thing for Tesco to have done either way.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 05:23 PM

I agree Michael. Even if the manager were Greek (subjunctive!) one couldn't condone such bias. I wanted to ask at the Customer Service desk, but there was a bit of a queue, and we'd just bought an enormous tub of ice-cream which was going to melt if we didn't hurry home. Maybe, to be fair, they feature a different country each day and it just happened to be Greece today. It's puzzling though.

What do people think about the biting incident? Surprised there aren't more comments.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 04:15 AM

Simple Eliza. Nothing newsworthy.

He is on the pitch and it's a while since he last bit anyone. Just a matter of time really....

The reaction of the Uruguay press was interesting though. He didn't bite him and the witch hunt is being orchestrated by the British press who forget that they won 1966 through a dubious goal....

And then Mrs Musket wonders why I am fascinated with international football.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 04:23 AM

Apparently he said, "It's just one of those things that happens on the pitch." !!! (Like bear-baiting or lion taming perhaps? As if all players get bitten regularly!) What astonished me is that he appeared to be a bit miffed that he'd hurt his teeth in the attack. If one goes around biting people, one can hardly complain that one's teeth hurt afterwards! If this has happened in the street, it would I think be classed as ABH, an arrestable offence with a possibly custodial sentence.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 06:59 AM

Hi

So England did just manage to one point....

Some of the young players did play quite well....but as individuals. The whole team ( quite naturally in the circumstances ) looked disjointed and some of the players looked as if they didn't want to receive the ball...reminds me a little of Man United last season.

We badly need two central defenders who can organise and control the defence. Also we haven't any midfielders who can turn defence to attack and run box to box.

On the positive side I thought Shaw had an excellent second half and Jones and Smalling looked a little safer than the previous incumbants.

AS for Suarez....Surely he must be given a long suspension if not stopped from playing again.

3 times is 3 times too many.

cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 10:30 AM

FIFA bit him today! He may get suspended for 24.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 11:00 AM

It's such a strange thing to do. One can imagine a chap pushing, shoving, even giving someone a clump, but biting? Weird! I just hope the children and young people don't take this up as a craze. They often copy what they see on TV. Teeth marks galore!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 01:04 PM

It's a Yank invention. Mike Tyson started the craze. The video of him biting a chunk out of Evanader Hollyfield's ear in a World Heavyweight Boxing championship is on the net, I would expect. But he only bit someone twice. The present ass has a hat trick.

Now... 24 matches? Not enough. Send him off for good. The press sickens me with that BS about the biting stems from childhood humiliation. Screw that. He's either a man or he is mentally unbalanced and dangerous.

And that elbow to the short ribs of the Nigerian keeper just now? That should have been a red card BUT I saw it on slo-mo from different cameras and the reffing staff doesn't have that luxury.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 01:46 PM

The Uruguay-Italy game was interesting, as it was played as a contact sport. (I have a sore arm and have been sleeping in my adjustable chair in front of the TV, thus have been watching some of the games).

Except for a few calls (one I thought accidental contact brought a card), the referee let play continue despite many uncalled for hits from behind, or a palm to the back of the head.

I wondered if some enmity had been left over from league games in which some of the players might have participated.

I find FIFA football (soccer) a dull game, but when played as a contact sport like the Uruguay-Italy match, I might even become a fan.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 01:51 PM

I might add that Suarez took a few good hits from behind before the biting incident.
The 'bite' left no more than a small red mark; some ugly hits will go unpunished because the referee ignored or did not see them.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 03:25 PM

Apologies in advance. Just emailed to me...

A seven year old boy was at the centre of a courtroom drama yesterday when he challenged a court ruling over who should have custody of him. The boy has a history of being beaten by his parents and the judge initially awarded custody to his aunt, in keeping with the child custody law and regulations requiring that family unity be maintained to the degree possible. The boy surprised the court when he proclaimed that his aunt beat him more than his parents and he adamantly refused to live with her. When the judge suggested that he live with his grandparents, the boy cried out that they also beat him. After considering the remainder of the immediate family and learning that domestic violence was apparently a way of life among them, the judge took the unprecedented step of allowing the boy to propose who should have custody of him. After two recesses to check legal references and confer with child welfare officials, the judge granted temporary custody to the England Football team, whom the boy firmly believes are not capable of beating anyone.

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 03:48 PM

DtG... Hahahahahahaaaaa!

Q... I think Canucks should show the world how it's done. $1... lay down Blue Lines and fuck the existing silly offside rule. #2... body checks should be allowed. Now, that's a manly man's game. #3... any pussy that dives or whines about bullshit gets 2 minutes for delay of game.

Seriously, that false emoting of being hard done by all the weenin pansies makes it hard to watch sometimes. Yes, there is a lot of fighting in hockey, too much for my liking, but I'd rather see that than the bullshit acting that goes on in football every 5 minutes. It's embarrassing!

There... THAT oughta draw a crowd. >;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 06:23 PM

Performance of the competition? How about Dominguez, the Ecuador goalkeeper tonight. Had to dive to save one shot. Otherwise it just looked as if shot was fired straight at him, which bespeaks some of the best goalkeeping anticipation I have seen in 70+ years of watching football [& playing -- as a goalkeeper! tho maybe not quite of World Cup class].

Anyone nominate a better goalkeeping display? Or another candidate for Man of the Tournament?

OK -- I know: it isn't over till it's over. Till then...

BTW -- reminded [by England inter alia] of one of my favourite pieces of Charles Schulz'"Peanuts" dialogue between [who else?!] Charlie Brown & Lucy van Pelt --

"Winning isn't everything."
"Maybe. But losing isn't anything!"

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: banjoman
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 06:08 AM

Just a couple of thoughts which this thread has provoked:
Rooney (despite the club he plays for) is the victim of a lot of negative reporting by the press. I have no doubt that he, and most of the England squad give of their best even if its not good enough. I think that if asked to play in goal he would, just to pull on the England shirt.
Steven Gerrard still has a lot to contribute to England and Liverpool even if he is slowing down a bit. Don't retire just yet.
Suarez - a long ban from international football and a requirement to wear a gum shield whenever he steps onto a football pitch. I am interested in how Liverpool FC see his future at Anfield.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MikeL2
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 01:47 PM

hi

So Suarez has been dealt with !!! 4 months from partaking in anything linked to football. Plus 12 games ban on playing in International games. This means he cannot play for the rest of the World Cup. If he is still in the English Premier League he will miss the first 14 matches of the season.

There is an appeal facility and it is said that he will appeal. If the appeal process takes any time to come up with a decision, Suarez WILL be able to play until the appeal process comes to a decision.

I think the punishment is too lenient given the World stage he was playing on plus his past history of biting.

Just watching tonight's games. Portugal v Ghana is far more exciting, to me Germany & USA look as if they are settling to qualify as if the present scores hold ( Port 2-1 & Germany 1-0) they will both qualify.

After today the real games start with the knockouts. No more tactical results. You either win or you are out. There will some great games.

I still fancy Germany or Argentina   but hey once the knockout stage starts anyone can win it.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Stu
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 02:41 PM

Congrats to the USA for getting into the next round! Result!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 02:55 PM

A one-game ban would have been sufficient punishment for Suarez; I fail to see why he should suffer when hits from behind go unchecked.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 03:09 PM

Oh come on Q, surely sinking one's teeth into a player is a bit weird to say the least, especially as he's done it twice before. It isn't in the same category as other types of foul. It just can't be acceptable on any terms whatsoever. The man has a psychological problem that needs addressing before he should be allowed near a another match.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 03:43 PM

Considering that Suarez had to bite through cloth to get at the flesh he must have bitten hard to pass the actual teeth marks.

If this were a murder mystery Forensics would be able to identify the biter by the marks.

WTH I consider this act as despicable as Mike Tyson's ear bite.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 06:36 PM

"I am interested in how Liverpool FC see his future at Anfield."

If they had any footballs, they would dismiss him.

BTW, CBC's This Is That had a piece on kids playing 'soccer' without any balls today. It was good. Prior, they had a piece on new fees at Canada Parks. Hilarious stuff. Now.... This Is That is NOT The Irrelevant Show or The Debaters or The Vinyl Café or Laugh out Loud or..., but it can often be quite funny.

Just type in cbc.ca and follow yer nose. Trust me. It's worth it. Enjoy.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Professor Gerald Lambeau
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 08:11 PM

World Cup thoughts.

1) Suarez is a horse-teethed, homosexual vampire.
2) Three attempted shots ain't gonna cut for the U.S. team. And they simply have to maintain possession of the ball much better.
3) Michael Bradley is "Mr. Giveaway".


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 08:22 PM

The main impression of the USA/Germany match that I came away with was that Germany was much more solid, they read the field better, placed themselves better, were more unflappable. That said, I enjoyed it.

Now, the next game for the US is with Belgium. I watched South Korea/Belgium today. I rooted for the Koreans- they're cute. :) And man, some of those men from Belgium are HUGE. But there, again, it seemed to me that Belgium was more savvy, less tentative. And some of the footwork on both sides was marvelous. I am in awe.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 08:40 PM

I won the Field's Medal by proving that 2011 is a sexy prime.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: michaelr
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 08:58 PM

Bradley hasn't done well at all in the US games. If he's the best Klinsmann has for a midfield playmaker, I doubt they'll last past the round of 16.

Suarez is apparently insane and should be banned for life.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 09:10 PM

Just posted a response to a post on FB....

"....if Germany have anything special up their sleeves, they were keeping it well hidden this evening."

I agree. ~180 touches in the first 20 or so minutes? My thoughts? I know this may sound odd but it seemed to me as if Germany was practicing. Standoffish and then playing dangerously close with intricate set plays and meticulous footwork. Call me crazy but it just seemed to 'add up' as the game progressed.

I played Schweinsteiger!!! by myself today. That's where the first person to scream his name out loudly when he gets a touch gets to not take a large swig of ale but all others must. Since I was the only one playing, I changed the rules to a sip if I missed a touch before the announcer said his name. Just something about that name eh?

Schweinsteiger!!! Ya gotta say it really fast if ya wanna play.

But... Argentina? Wow. Not the same (older) educated savvy as Germany but WOW! There are so many that could win that I am now understanding earlier posts about the open possibilities. Of course, 'on any given Sunday' (Yankee football reference) but I had three teams pegged from near the start... Argentina, Germany & France. Now, recall, I dunno squat about football so don't tell me I duuno squat about football as that is a given so my pegs are loose... fer now. Argentina?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Jun 14 - 03:14 AM

Question: What does 'steiger' mean? I'm assuming that it has something to do with catching or slaughtering?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 27 Jun 14 - 03:23 AM

It's a Rod of some kind?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 27 Jun 14 - 03:26 AM

'steigen' means to mount or climb onto. 'Steiger' is therefore someone who 'gets on top of'. 'Schweinsteiger' was the person whose job it was to get on top of the pig and hold it securely while it was having its throat cut.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 27 Jun 14 - 03:28 AM

Musket LOL!!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jun 14 - 12:24 PM

It's just fun to quickly and loudly blurt it out in a "fierce" German accent. I started doing it and the lads I watch the game with (used to, that is) started doing it. Of course, if one says it before the touch is made, one must take a swig and be chastised by the others. Just chastised; no card.

Childish? Yes. Why do you ask?

Gee... a whole day without football. I have no excuse to avoid yard work and maintenance. Hmmm... maybe it's too hot. I'll bet it is. Even if it isn't hot at the moment, it's only gonna get hotter until this evening. I guess I'll have to listen to some podcasts of The Irrelevant Show at CBC Radio so as to keep my fair Irich skin out of the sun's deadly rays.

Bored? Yes. Why do you ask?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Don Firth
Date: 27 Jun 14 - 12:58 PM

An amusing aside. According to a political newsletter I receive in my e-mail this morning:

Ann Coulter, the darling of the arch-conservatives (long, blonde hair, eyes like a rattlesnake) maintains that the World Cup is a deep, dark plot by Obama and the Democrats to distract Americans from noticing how Obama and his stooges are systematically destroying the country by turning it into a Liberal dictatorship.

("Liberal dictatorship......!??")

She hates, loathes, and despises soccer. Why?

"It's foreign!"

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Rog Peek
Date: 27 Jun 14 - 02:17 PM

Forgive me if someone has already posted this:

Rooney says to Hodgson, "I'm not sure if I'm better on the left, the right, or in the middle". Hodgson says, "for God's sake Wayne, just pick a seat and get on the plane".

Rog


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 27 Jun 14 - 02:25 PM

The a World Cup is a plot by an American President? Not bad. Who was the President in 1930?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Jun 14 - 02:41 PM

Coulter went on to imply that because there is no individual winner it's a socialist game.

I suspect that she is pulling legs, big time. Although I am not sure she has a working sense of humo(u)r.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 27 Jun 14 - 04:30 PM

Bloody hell, you guys take baseball, American football and basketball seriously. Did McCarthy know these games existed? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Jun 14 - 04:46 PM

McCarthy? Who he?

One thing about organized sports that I am always forcibly reminded of: they are modern day versions of gladiators and the days when losers could be put to death. We even speak the same jargon. I suppose that it is an improvement. :)


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Jim McLean
Date: 27 Jun 14 - 05:25 PM

Someone said that Wayne Roomey should wipe his tears away with his pay packet.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 27 Jun 14 - 08:15 PM

Rog Peek... hahahahaa! Good one!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 28 Jun 14 - 12:28 PM

Brazil V Chile is a good match up to yet.

Just saying..


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: michaelr
Date: 28 Jun 14 - 03:03 PM

Brazil are through, as they must, though not from much creditable effort in this match. They looked disjointed, showing no sign of the famous Samba style that made football "the beautiful game". Boy, do I miss the Brazilian side from, say, 12 or 16 years ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 28 Jun 14 - 06:03 PM

Agreed. Still, it was entertaining. All in all, a good day of football although the second game fell flat at about 25 minutes to go.

As for Brazil, I am kinda glad on behalf of their fans they 'shot out' but I will be surprised if they survive much longer. Then again, who knows eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Jun 14 - 09:19 PM

Tip from a racing man who played amateur football.....Costa Rica....good odds.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jun 14 - 06:57 AM

From Big Al on FB... "download available of LOUIS SUAREZ'S GREATEST MOMENTS - just 3 megabites!"


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 29 Jun 14 - 06:58 AM

Hi

Brazil v Chile was an exciting game though not a classic in football. I think the final result was just about right because I felt that Brazil were very slightly the better team.

They had a last minute fright when Chile hit the bar with the goalkeeper completely beaten.

The Brazil keeper made two really good saves from the penalty shootout and the last Chile penalty hit the post and all of Brazil breathed a huge sigh of relief.

The Colombia v Uruguay game was not so good and with Colombia going two up they tried to play safe and close down the game. Uruguay did attack a lot in the last few minutes but it was all desperate stuff and they never looked like scoring.

With regards to Uruguay, strange about the differing treatment of Suarez, who has been been made into a hero for getting sent off for biting. Compare the reaction with the England fans with David Beckham who got sent off by a very dubious ( and not in any way dangerous ) action. He was castigated and made a scapegoat by the England fans as an excuse for England going out.

" Funny old game" Makes you think......1111???

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jun 14 - 12:00 PM

I have just come the pop shop where I found out the bastards at NB Liquor (government) have raised the price of a 12 pack! It went up yesterday. Canada Day is Tuesday. Sneaky cheeky ^&(%^*&^!!! No way I am paying $24.50 for 12 beers. I bought the 30 pack on sale. I may take up chewing gum when the sale is over.

I shall be cheering the Nether Regions and Costa Rica (or Greece depending on sportsmanship). Got lotsa beer anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 29 Jun 14 - 12:23 PM

200!!gooooaaaaaaallllllllllll!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,gnuonlaptop
Date: 29 Jun 14 - 12:33 PM

39C and humidity in the 60s and the first cooling break ever. I couldn't even sit in the stands!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,gnuonlaptop
Date: 29 Jun 14 - 01:49 PM

New game!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,gnuonlaptop
Date: 29 Jun 14 - 01:57 PM

WOW!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 29 Jun 14 - 02:06 PM

Nether Regions, gnu! Hahahahahahahaaaaaa!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jun 14 - 02:40 PM

The Robins got the tequila worm in dramatic fashion. Most exciting game yet. Will the Greeks stoic away the game or will it Costa them?

Yeah it's lame. But it not whether you win or lose, it's how...


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 29 Jun 14 - 02:42 PM

Hi

Just watched Mexico v Holland ( or Nether Regions !! lol ).

Great match played in stifling heat. Mexico looked to have it sewn up, leading 1-0 with Holland struggling with the heat. Don't know what was served in that second drinks stop !!! But the Dutch started to press and after several corners (all wasted) they scored a great goal by Schneider. Then in injury time Robben was awarded a penalty. He had been refused at least two that were far more worth a penalty than this. Probably the ref thought it was time to poor guy got one.

Is it a co-incidence that the Dutch Manager is coming to manage my team, Manchester United. Who of course ,excluding a short period by Moyes was Sir Alex Ferguson. Alex as any football enthusiast will know, was very adept at gaining very late victories.

I look forward to this season under Louis van Gaal, and hope after last year's debacle it will be worth my season ticket.

But for the rest of the World cup I will be shouting for Holland. ( Though I think a South American team will win it.

Cheers

Mike van L2


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jun 14 - 03:30 PM

I will root for the Dutch simply because I love to watch some of the players. Robben, as I have posted before, simply amazes me. Van Persie too. There are others. Just like at least several on the German team AND I get to play Schweinsteiger!!! when the Germans are playing.

Lot's of great football left and I shall enjoy it all.

BTW... you DO know the Dutch rule the world eh? There have been Mudcat threads discussing the sneaky Dutch and their very secretive Manatee Brigade which they use to enforce their grip and enslave those who underestimate them. They even have wooden shoes! Beware The Dutch!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 29 Jun 14 - 03:31 PM

Mexico were robbed by a Dutch diver & a silly referee who let himself be taken in. Boo!

Just off to watch Costa Coffee play Aphrodite Taverna.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jun 14 - 03:47 PM

Dutch diver & a silly referee. Dutch diver & a silly referee.
Dutch diver & a silly referee. Dutch diver & a silly referee.
Dutch diver & a silly referee. Dutch diver & a silly referee.
Dutch diver & a silly referee. Dutch diver & a silly referee.
Dutch diver & a silly referee. Dutch diver & a silly referee.
Dutch diver & a silly referee. Dutch diver & a silly referee.
Dutch diver & a silly referee. Dutch diver & a silly referee.
Dutch diver & a silly referee. Dutch diver & a silly referee.
Dutch diver & a silly referee. Dutch diver & a silly referee.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jun 14 - 07:14 PM


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jun 14 - 09:33 PM

Should be held in HOLLYWOOD all actors try AUSSIE RULES,OR RUGBY


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 30 Jun 14 - 01:20 AM

Costa Rica got through and good luck to them. Greece were the technical better side and must be asking themselves how they didn't win in open play.

Costa Rica had passion and worked well at dispossessing. How far they can run their luck ? We'll see against The Netherlands who are a class side with some excellent players. They have still got their best to show.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 30 Jun 14 - 02:03 AM

Costa Rica deserved that win; CR played a man down for near an hour, and Greece could not put them away. I intensely dislike kicks as a way to settle a well played match, so I did not stick around for the shoot-out. Ditto with Brazil/Chile. I much prefer sudden death play on the pitch. Playing that long, in that weather, sudden death might become more than a description of overtime.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 30 Jun 14 - 04:05 AM

I still think, as have suggested before, that both extra time & shootouts should be abolished. If match drawn at 90 minutes, then the team which has conceded fewer free kicks [omitting for offside] should be declared winner. If there is a tie on these, then it might be reasonable to proceed straight to a shootout: but only then.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 30 Jun 14 - 06:51 AM

France? Germany? I shall cheer for both.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 30 Jun 14 - 12:35 PM

Sponsor's adverts around the playing field - some contain short mottoes or statements, mostly in English. Macdonald's "I'm Lovin' it" is one; the Portuguese translation showed up at one game I watched- "amor multo todo isso."

Any others?

Hope Costa Rica makes it to the next round.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 30 Jun 14 - 01:04 PM

Valbueno can sure go and jump for his size! Exceptional so far today.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 30 Jun 14 - 02:03 PM

Man of the match for me? Valbuena. Man!!! that little guy is fun to watch.

Yobo must be absolutely heartbroken.

Right, must get some ales from the fridge downstairs in prep for Schweinsteiger!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,gnuonlaptop
Date: 30 Jun 14 - 06:23 PM

First of all, allow me to praise the Brazilian cameramen.... camerapersons?... for the excellent choices of shots of the fans. At least one of them not only likes taking shots of gorgeous womenz but womenz who are jumping up and down. Jumping up and down womenz is one of my favourite things. Yes, that is crass. Deal with it. I don't care.

Secondly, could we at least have sudden death overtime?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,gnuonlaptop
Date: 30 Jun 14 - 06:32 PM

Oh baby. Seconds! What a finish!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Professor Gerald Lambeau, Fields Medal Winne
Date: 30 Jun 14 - 07:43 PM

USA 3 Belgium 1.

Belgium's goal will be an own goal scored by Michael Bradley in an errant clearing attempt.

USA scorers will be Dempsey (2) and Zusi.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Jun 14 - 09:33 PM

In watching the game today, gnu, I kept seeing "Schweinsteiger!!!" Bad as an ear worm. lol

What time is Tuesday's USA-Belgium match? Earlier I had read that it was 3:00 pm EST, which would make it 11:00 am for us in Alaska. Today, ESPN says that it's 12noon EST. So which is it?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: michaelr
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 01:23 AM

Germany had to labor mightily to get the win over Algeria. Which is what they're good at - laboring mightily. Similar to the US, most of whose wins in their international history have been from being scored on first.

That said, I don't expect France to be much of a problem for Germany. Belgium will be the test for the US side. Those guys are bigger and brawnier than them. Argentina should be able to beat Switzerland because of Messi, but you never know - he's had some off games lately.

On the other side, I'm rooting for Columbia - they've been playing better Brazilian-style football in this tournament than the host side.
And Costa Rica could just keep surprising everyone - I would not want to call that one.

All in all, it's been a more exciting World Cup than the last two, if not more. I'm enjoying it.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 02:03 AM

I meant to say that one source said the match would be at 3:00 pm EST while today ESPN says it is at 4:00 pm EST, which is 12 noon in Alaska.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 08:24 AM

USA at 5PM AST. AST = EST - 1. So, 4 PM EST. The earlier game is 1 PM AST = 12 PM EST.

Here ya go https://www.google.ca/search?q=world+cup+schedule&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=&gfe_rd=cr&ei=sMOiU-2


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 11:39 AM

Hi

I thought that Germany had to work extremely hard to go through.
Algeria made some fantastic counter attacking moves but just lacked the skill and prowess of a goal scorer.
I never felt that Germany would lose as they had most of the control of the game. They made lots of chances - Mueller missed at least three chances he would normally take.

I think that Algeria were getting more tired as 90 minutes approached and was confident that extra time would see off the gallant Algerians.

In tonight's games I think Argentina will be too hot to handle for Switzerland. Belgium I feel have not yet produced the form that I expected of them. They have some really fine players and maybe tonight they will show what they can do - I am expecting them to win.

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 11:50 AM

Hi

I agree with Michael and Gnu and others who don't like penalties to decide a game. I am with them but I am not sure what the answer is.

We have experimented with " a golden goal " but it did not work. It can take too long a time to score a winner.

I don't think that corners or fouls will work either because it will cause problems. I think it will make fouls & corners to have too much importance attached to them. We have seen in this World Championship how referees are constantly ducking decisions to give anything in the penalty area. Many decisions are not given in the penalty area that would have been made in other areas of the pitch.

So love em or hate em I think that penalties will be still the best for the game.

And... it makes for more drama which FIFA likes as it draws in more viewers.

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 12:29 PM

It's on at 4 PM ET (Eastern Time).

There is no place in the USA on AT (Atlantic Time), which is an hour ahead of ET. Gnu gets it at 5 his time, we get it at 4.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 12:47 PM

Thanks, gnu. Thanks, Jeri. That means that we in Alaska get it at 12 noon. A friend is coming over to watch at 11:00, I'll give him a call.

I just turned on the television and Argentina-Switzerland have been at it for 45 minutes.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,gnuonlaptop
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 12:51 PM

Actually, it's ADST here now and I know that because it's over 40H here. EC has issued a heat warning and that would never happen during AST. But I have cold beer and air conditioning.

How's about them yodellers eh? I think they have outplayed Argentina so far. A pleasant surprise. Very exciting stuff.

GO USA!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Jeri
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 01:09 PM

I was at Old Songs Festival last weekend, and there was a Brazilian music group on stage Friday night. The lead singer said the one actual Brazilian member was listening to the game on headphones, and asked what the score was. (It was 1/1 at the time.) Who could blame a guy?

I'm not a soccer fan, (I know, "for shame, for shame"), but I may peek into this.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,gnuonlaptop
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 02:12 PM

WOW!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,g
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 02:37 PM

What a game! Now, I gots ta clean me smelts. Fish fry before the next game.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 03:46 PM

g? How did I get 'g' off the laptop?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,gnuonlaptop
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 04:06 PM

Bradley has run 38 km so far in the cup? More than any other player? How do they know this stuff?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 05:51 PM

Belgium's class has shown through in the second half but the tenacity and commitment of USA in this match has been stunning.

Tim Howard shows how an average team such as Everton can hold its own in the premiership.

Jurgen the German must feel somewhat proud. Anyway, here comes extra time.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,gnuonlaptop
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 06:34 PM

Well done, USA and well done Belgium. That was a heck of a game.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 06:34 PM

Probably the best game of the tournament yet. USA don't go out by losing, they just happened to come second.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 01 Jul 14 - 07:27 PM

Well said, Musket. I am near hoarse. Being a bachelor living alone in my own house, I get to yell very loudly at errant play and poor reffing (though I found the reffing much better in the last game than other games). Some may think such behaviour is odd but those have not played sports at a high level.

I must say, I find it odd that some strikes are taken upon first touch when a second touch for a proper strike with the ball 'settled' for spin and position is available. The presence of mind and field vision seems lacking among these lads while most are well experienced. Perhaps my experience playing other sports simply doesn't apply. Only time I ever played 'soccer' was with a basketball on the street and got my nose broken... wasn't much of a header! I speak from playing squash (yellow dot - the most demanding sport in the world save warfare), hockey, Yankee football and others. I do NOT know if settling and changing ball spin is even possible in football. It just seems to me that it should be because of the way the ball is made???

In any case, another great day of entertainment.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 01:28 AM

Like England v Italy, on which I commented favourably above in this particular, another almost entirely clean and gentlemanly game, altho ultimately so excitingly knife-edge: very few free kicks, no serious fouls, only one or two bits of garment-grabbing* that I recall ~~ it's still possible, one is glad to see.

~M~

*(A BTW -- I observe that shirts don't get grabbed so much these days as the elastic of the shorts -- perhaps on the basis that a player will stop running if he fears his shorts are liable to come down! This technique seems to me to have taken over just the last few days. Anyone else noticed this?)


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 01:31 AM

That was a great game. I had expected to be painfully aware of the USA team's flaws in commitment and execution but instead, it was just a great game. I thought the Belgians played more aggressively but that the US team had outstanding defense. And not just Tim Howard, although he was a joy to watch. It was a heart pounder, for sure.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 03:53 AM

US...."played for the shirts" tremendous effort and a hell of a lot of skill.
GREAT!......there IS a stereotype!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Stu
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 06:55 AM

Congratulations to the USA . . . a great game and I loved the fact they never gave up. As for Tim Howard - he was mighty. Thrilling stuff and a game I'll remember for years. Also brilliant were the fans. Apart from the England fans the USA fans seemed to be the only ones chanting at all. Get 'em singing!

Anyone who says the US doesn't 'get' football now is talking squarely out of their arse. Welcome to the club - you're in with honours ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Bill D
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 09:58 AM

After the game was over, and the combination pride/disappointment faded a bit, I realized just how few fouls there were in such a hard-fought game!

I never 'quite' understood why so many games feature almost interminable rough play and careless or intentional fouls. ( Years ago, I watched a team...Croatia, I believe... attempt to win by battering their opponent senseless.)

USA & Belgium proved it is possible to play hard and still refrain from stupid stuff.

The US is indeed working toward better awareness & competence in international play. We DO have way too many other sports that usurp TV time, and that have more timeouts for commercials. 45 minutes without trying to SELL something? Unheard of!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 02:35 PM

Hi

I agree with the majority here who found this to be a great match in all aspects of entertaining, exciting and skilful football.

I agree with Michael about the game mirroring England v Italy in respect of clean play and sportsmanship. Credit to both USA and Belgium for providing this showpiece in this World Theatre.

I found myself not wishing either side to lose but I was glad that it was won in extra time and not have to go to penalties. Nor would I have liked to have seen it decided on corners.

For me in chorus with others here I would pick out Tim Howard as the Man of the Match. Of course it came as no surprise to me as I have watched him many times when he played for Manchester United. He was excellent when he was at United but he has improved as he has matured and now must be one of the best in the World.

After the second goal by another Everton player Lukaku I thought USA were dead and buried. Not a bit of it; they took a real deep breath and they went for it. Fantastic. Belgium buckled and I know they were very glad to hear the final whistle go.

Another USA player that took my eye was Michael Bradley. I can't understand some of the criticisms that have been mentioned here. Last night he was a great leader and led from the front. Fantastic engine a a great distributor of the ball.

I hope there will be more games like this.

One thing is certain; USA can be proud of it's team and I am sure they will get even better.

I sure hope so. We need more teams like this.

Belgium of course go forward and I wish them well in the next round. I think they will be hard to beat....but not many will come as close to doing so as the USA.

Regards

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 06:58 PM

"Anyone who says the US doesn't 'get' football now is talking squarely out of their arse. Welcome to the club - you're in with honours ;-)"

Said it for 8 years. Watch out. When the Yanks really get into it, they get into it. Fact is, they will be better next time. That's just the way they do shit.

Will football even come close to Yankee football in the US? Hahahahahahaa!. NO way. And that is not just from what Bill D said... "The US is indeed working toward better awareness & competence in international play. We DO have way too many other sports that usurp TV time, and that have more timeouts for commercials. 45 minutes without trying to SELL something? Unheard of!"

I have said it many times in this forum... Yankee football is as much of a game of chess as it is a game of physical prowess. I watch many sports. Yankee football is, by far, the best of all to watch because of the intricacy of the game and the physical demands which far exceed those of even rugby or squash (both of which which I have a passion for). I find it odd that so many crap on it for whatever reasons and haven't taken the time to learn what they are crapping on.

Finally... Friday? I have to wait until Friday? Oh, this sucks!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Jul 14 - 09:09 PM

One aspect of watching futbol/football/soccer is that you cannot take your eyes off for a minute. Watching other sports makes me sleepy- not so, futbol/football/soccer.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 03 Jul 14 - 05:20 AM

Hi Ebbie

<" One aspect of watching futbol/football/soccer is that you cannot take your eyes off for a minute. Watching other sports makes me sleepy- not so, futbol/football/soccer ">

Not if you had watched Manchester United last year...lol
And no I am not being facetious... I am a Man U supporter of long standing and for my sins I am still a season ticket member. They had a bad year but we all hope that the new manager can galvanise the club into it's former glory.

Regards

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 03 Jul 14 - 05:26 AM

The chess analogy from Gnu is interesting.

That's why I love a four / five day test match as opposed to one day or Clapton forbid, 20/20 when watching cricket.

Now I have either retired or taken a break, (haven't decided which yet) I have time over the summer to get to Headingly (a niece and her cricket mad husband live 5 mins walk from the ground) or Trent Bridge, (my son lives a 20 min train away from the ground.)

So no need to stay sober then...


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Stu
Date: 03 Jul 14 - 05:29 AM

Roy Keane has come to the Villa as assistant manager but I'm not suer how I feel about that. I find Keane a tad too confrontational for my liking, but that's what Villa need at the moment. He's passionate about the game and if he can kindle some fire in the Villa youngsters we might stay up next season. Such ambition.

Looking forward to Friday, although I might nip out for a tune.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 03 Jul 14 - 12:35 PM

Barcelona is attempting to hire Luis Suarez away from Liverpool, who paid him $75 million to sign in 2013.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 03 Jul 14 - 04:02 PM

"The chess analogy from Gnu is interesting." It surely is. The game of Yankee football is very much so and, as such, involves the fans more so than most sports. AS for cricket, even tho I love watching, I cannot comment as we simply get little of it on the TV here. What I have seen is entertaining. Here is how little we get... One hour of highlights from a 6 year old game and a half hour "round-up of 'this week in cricket'. Pffft! Not worth my time. Regarding the earlier comment of football not making it to TV in NA due to the advertising, they are working around that by screen splitting. MLS is on some sports channels but I prefer the real deal, The Premiership. We do get other leagues' games but who has the time to watch more than the best?

Same with rugby. The TV coverage sucks here. Same with Aussie Rules witch I thoroughly enjoy... ONE game a year at zero dark hundred hours? If I forget to record it, I go another year without it unless I You Tube it and that is a challenge.

In the end, I've watched near them all. The World Cup is my fav. But, after that... GO NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS! https://www.flickr.com/photos/15565423@N05/8475316641/

That is a game Jersey from the AFC Championship game two years ago. Olddude got it signed by Brady for me. I was never into such but when it arrived in the mail, I felt like a little kid at Kissmeass.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MikeL2
Date: 04 Jul 14 - 02:12 PM

Hi

Just watched Germany v France. Not the most exciting or attractive game of the tournament by a long way.

Germany scored early and the proceeded to do what they do best....protect a lead. France strived to get back into the game but they were a very disjointed team.

Germany's performance was very workmanlike but nobody stood out. I suppose this was to be expected if what the media announced 24 hours before the game....that Germany has 7 players who were suffering from flu.

I am looking to a much better game tonight.....please.

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 04 Jul 14 - 06:43 PM

A fun day for me. My earlier post (which I posted and checked to see if it posted... and it did???) is gone. Odd, but I am not the only one it has happened to in the past while.

So, it will be interesting next round. Of course, I shall again be glued to the screen tomorrow. I shall be rooting for two teams which are underdogs IMO.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 04 Jul 14 - 06:44 PM

Right. I posted. I checked. It's there now.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Jul 14 - 06:52 PM

The older I get, the freer I am! Now, isn't that nice?

Instead of going to our traditional July Fourth parade, I walked with my dog to the staging area, noted a half dozen of the entries, came home and watched Brazil last out Colombia instead. Enjoyed it.

In an hour or so, I'll be picked up and taken to a backyard picnic with music inside the house. Always fun.

I think I'm having a good 4th.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,dick greenhaus
Date: 04 Jul 14 - 07:45 PM

It's been said that soccer (which I happen to enjoy watching) is the next big sport to reach the US. And lways will be.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 05 Jul 14 - 07:11 AM

Naymar (spg?) has a fractured spine. Damn! This is just horrible. And Silva out on cards too.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Stu
Date: 05 Jul 14 - 10:00 AM

Bloody ridiculous tackle on Neymar. At first I thought he was crying wolf but the replay shows how bad the tackle was: he kneed him intentionally in the small of the back.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Jim McLean
Date: 05 Jul 14 - 10:24 AM

I don't really watch much football so my comments are probably not very valid, however this World Cup came as quite a shock. The violence, the barging, shoving, grappling elbows in the face, body grabbing, histrionics by the players and some very bad refereeing. The Beautiful Game? I don't think so.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 05 Jul 14 - 10:56 AM

Jim... it doesn't a true and devoted fan to be shocked at the MANY goings-on in this tournament. I am damn near hoarse.

Even the camera work is atrocious. Every few minutes I end up watching a close-up shot of one or two players and I just can't see what is going on the rest of the field of play. Although, I must say the camera team knows how to pick out the babes for cameo appearances. >;-)

Looking forward to another entertaining day... I hope.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MikeL2
Date: 05 Jul 14 - 10:58 AM

Hi Jim

<" The Beautiful Game? I don't think so">

I agree with you. I have seen it coming over the years. But last night's Colombia v Brazil was full of spoiling tactics (fouls) by both sides.

Plenty of violent tackles went unpunished. Also we have seen diving, not only to get a penalty, but all over the pitch go on generally unpenalised but not unseen by the referees. If the refs would penalise with at least a yellow card it would soon stop. It seems that almost every coming together is either a vicious foul or a dive. What ever happened to the humble ( but fair ) shoulder charge - that is shoulder to shoulder competing for the ball??
Get a grip refs.

That said, the game was interesting in phases and again a team with a two goal lead had to hang on for dear life. Phew !!

Getting ready for tonight's matches. I will naturally be shouting for Holland as their Manger is now the boss of my team, Manchester United. Difficult decision this one as it would be of more benefit if he was with United now and not go on to the World Cup Final.

cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 05 Jul 14 - 11:10 AM

Got to the point now of being difficult to call. But just suppose if Costa Rica were to astonish us all -- yet again!

You Never Can Tell!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: The Sandman
Date: 05 Jul 14 - 12:57 PM

argentina.but dont cry for me ,if i am wrong


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 05 Jul 14 - 02:07 PM

"... difficult to call."

As I have said earlier, the reffing staff only have their eyes from their vantage point in real time. I can see more clearly and from multiple angles on my 47" LCD TV in my living room than they can... in slo-mo too! And I can see it over and over because I can record the works. I have seen poor reffing but a percentage of it must be be ignored because of this.

Are we witnessing 'more' violence or do we now have the tech to view the violence? Of course, no matter because it is shocking and I wish there was a way to stop it. Good sportsmanship seems to be a way of the past. Ya know... I hear a lot of people condemn hockey because of the fighting but if ya think on it... not allowing a man (or his tem mates) to 'defend himself' is near the same given what I have seen in the Cup. Cracked back. That kinda shit would be settled in like fashion on the ice.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 05 Jul 14 - 02:39 PM

Hi

Just watched Argentina v Belgium. Not a great game but a great goal by Higuain. A first time touch volley on the turn hit with great skill and accuracy.

Unfortunately the rest of the game did not live up to this.

I think Argentina just about deserved to win and they seem to be playing progressively better in each round. Messi was made to appear ordinary by the close marking Belgium defence. The Argentine defence kept Belgium quiet and limited their chances on goal.

Fellaini was tireless and covered lots of ground. Unfortunately the ground he was covering was never quite in contact with the actual play.

As Michael says.....anyone can win this now.....it's difficult to call. As for Costa Rica beating Holland....er I think not.....make that hope not !!!....gulp.

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 05 Jul 14 - 08:14 PM

The Nether Regions prevail! And I shall take the moment to share my absolute respect for Robben. I love to watch that old man play football. BRAAAAVO!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Jul 14 - 02:04 AM

So the Dutchies just scraped it, and the glorious underdogs were just barely pipped, thanks to one man who didn't even play in the actual match at all but was just brought on for the shootout.

So all honour to Newcastle's Tim Krul, the goalkeeper who saved the day for his native country [but not the one where he plays!].

And little honour to any other in the old firm of Robin & Robben Inc, I fear...

SO WELL DONE, COSTA RICA. HOME YOU MUST GO, ALAS: BUT COVERED IN GLORY!

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 06 Jul 14 - 03:05 AM

Brave decision? I have always said a goalkeeper has nothing to prove in penalty shoot outs and the pressure is on the taker.

But er..

Interesting times for Man Utd next season....


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 06 Jul 14 - 07:19 AM

"... WELL DONE, COSTA RICA." Agreed!

"... a goalkeeper has nothing to prove in penalty shoot outs and the pressure is on the taker." Agreed!

Come on Tuesday! Schweinsteiger!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MikeL2
Date: 06 Jul 14 - 07:57 AM

Hi

I watched all the Holland v Costa Rica game.

Quite exciting at times and with extra time & penalties I go to bed very late!!!

I thought the Holland were the much better team for most of the game. They just didn't get it together and make the best of van Persie. Robben was his usual irrepressible self. Though I thought at times he tried too often to score when he should have passed.

Costa Rica tried very hard and made occasion counter attacks, especially towards the end. So we went to penalties. Yes a very controversial and interesting change by van Gaal....but hey....it worked. We have discussed earlier about penalties not being a very good way to finish a game. However I think that justice was done as Holland hit the woodwork a few times and brought many good saves from the goalkeeper. If they had used the number of corners (say) as the means of deciding the winners then Holland would have run out comfortable winners.

Chers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MikeL2
Date: 06 Jul 14 - 08:14 AM

Hi Musket

<" Interesting times for Man Utd next season..">

Sure looks like it. I am a keen supporter of Man U and have a Season Ticket and go to as many away games as I can so I hope to see a change in the way the team plays this year.

van Gaal does not suffer fools gladly and is reported to be a very stiff disciplinarian so I look forward to seeing him.

I was not happy in the way that United treated David Moyes. I believe he is a very good manager, I think he was over-awed in trying to manage this huge Club. He tried to stamp his own methods on United too soon and it rebounded against him.
Many excuses have been made for him but the fact was that he inherited a side that had won the Premier League by 13 clear points and only finished 7th is undisputable.

I believe in spite of that they should have given him another season.

Moyes is a good manager and although his time at Old Trafford was not a good one, he will have learned some valuable lessons from it. He will be back I am sure and will prove himself with another club.

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 06 Jul 14 - 08:26 AM

"I thought at times he tried too often to score when he should have passed."

,..,

That might have been so in this instance. Generally, tho, the fault is the other way. So often, Emma & I will yell together, "Shoot!", as there is a perfect opening, even if sometimes at a slight angle to the goal; but, no, he is just somehow, it appears, obligated by convention to cross to another player a bit nearer the goal, only to have the pass intercepted & the ball cleared. Happens all the time. Seems a sort of etiquette not to shoot when one has the chance, but to try to donate the honour to a team-mate. Why do they keep doing this?

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 06 Jul 14 - 12:09 PM

He proved himself adequately a few miles to the West, hence got the job. If you do anything less than the triple, following his predecessor, you would be on a hiding to nothing. But, he is gone and van Gaal is in.

van Gaal is either a genius or reckless judging by his last minute substitution. Which is it I wonder?



(As Michael is having a bit of a sulk and pretending I don't exist, can someone please remind him it is a team game? In answer to his question above.)


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MikeL2
Date: 07 Jul 14 - 03:29 PM

Hi Michael

<" Seems a sort of etiquette not to shoot when one has the chance, but to try to donate the honour to a team-mate. Why do they keep doing this?">

I think there are a number of contributory reasons.

You will of course remember when " Johnny Foreigner" came over here and inflicted a first ever victory over England on their own soil at Wembley. It was no fluke 3-6 we lost and were given a lesson in football. It was in 1953 and it was Hungary that was guilty of that heinous crime.

Since then we have been always playing catch up and in doing so we have tried to copy the foreign teams. They all play possession football and over the years since then different nations have all had their own brand of this type of game.

To achieve this, teams need to be extremely skilful in ball control and passing rapidly to create openings.

In trying to demonstrate this skill teams tend to overdo the passing and try to walk the ball into the net. What has developed is that the skill of sharp shooting has been affected.

Another possible reason is that the art of goalkeeping has improved greatly and long distance shooting tends not to trouble the keepers these days.

I agree with you that players do not shoot as often as they could do.
Shooting and missing gives possession and control to the opposition. So a player is on a hiding to nothing if he does so. It is easier to pass the buck - literally.

In the individual case of Robben he is a very clever player and runs at defences causing panic. He can be deadly when he gets a shooting opportunity ( as I know only too well when he knocked Man United out of the European Cup two years ago!!!!). But in The World cup this year he is trying just that bit too much and makes some marvelous runs but takes it just too far and runs into trouble. He would be better shooting or passing earlier to the likes of van Persie who can and does shoot and score - especially with that deadly left foot.

I am hoping that Holland can pick up their game and beat Argentina Argentina are improving with each game, The news that Aguero will be back to be in partnership with Messi will give them much more firepower up front.

Aguero is in player Michael, who does shoot and scores from any angle.

My heart says Holland but my head says Argentina.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 07 Jul 14 - 05:50 PM

Thanks for response MikeL. Not sure it provides a complete explanation for this eccentric fashion in perverse 'etiquette', as I view it; but no doubt a fair bit of truth in it.

Disagree absolutely, however, with your opinion that "the art of goalkeeping has improved greatly"; and feel qualified particularly to pronounce on this aspect as I was a goalkeeper myself way back when -- 65 or so years, in fact. I OPd a thread a while ago on how IMO goalkeeping had deteriorated since my day. Not "old man's nostalgia", honest. I am grieved that a goalkeeper is nowadays praised for a good save for stopping a shot by sticking a foot out -- absolute anathema, in my day; uncontrollable and liable to give a dangerous rebound. One was expected to get down & catch it to one's body, or handle it, if necessary, round the post -- far easier to control. One just did NOT use one's feet. Today's best goalkeepers, eg Hart, Cech, Courtois, do not ever try to go the wrong, uncontrollable, feet-first way, but tend always to get the hands to the ball, & body behind it where possible. Just watch carefully & I think you will find I am right about that.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 07 Jul 14 - 06:05 PM

One does what one can. Unless one gets a chance to do what one cannot do unless it's pure luck and does it, well, it's chance. And the keeper is on the VERY short end of the stick in shootouts. Fact is, the keeper may as well shove that stick up his ass, spread eagle whilst jumping into mid air left or right and close his eyes, hoping that the taker f***s up.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Brian Peters
Date: 07 Jul 14 - 07:57 PM

So the 'Best World Cup Ever' came down to four dour, dull and (in one case) really quite unpleasant QFs, featuring the Usual Suspects in place of the unfancied but refreshing teams (Algeria, USA, Mexico, Switzerland) that made the early stages interesting. Sad but predictable. I'm afraid I don't expect anything wildly exciting from the remaining ties.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 07 Jul 14 - 08:28 PM

Yes Michael but you're harking back to when the rain-sodden ball weighed as much as a shopping bag full of nutty slack and when the general idea for attackers for keeping fit was to not exceed forty Park Drive plain and six pints of Tetley's per day. The goalie had all the time in the world to get down there with his hands, etc. Today, the game is three times faster, the forwards are as fit as Olympians and the lightweight ball flies at twice the speed. Distance is lending enchantment to your rose-coloured view, old bean. You'll be telling us next that Stan Mortensen was greater than Messi.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,big al whittle
Date: 07 Jul 14 - 09:47 PM

yes that's the game we invented and was a source of local pride to every town in England. foreigners have perverted it.

similarly cricket was agame with stumps just 22yards apart. the intention was never for murderous fast bowlers to treat the batsman's head as a coconut shy.

still Brazil v Germany = sounds pretty good to me!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 05:05 AM

Hi Michael

I expected your disapproval of my comment about improvements in goalkeeping knowing about your goalkeeping days of yore.

I too had a spell between the posts many years ago before moving on to rugby, and my son still plays at a reasonable standard as goalkeeper for a local amateur club.

My reasons for my claim are that today the ball is much lighter and modern players have learned the skill of swerving and dipping the ball.
This did not happen so much in my day ( and yours).

Also the game is faster and the goalkeepers have to be much faster too. Also they have to be able to pass and distribute the ball more than we did.

IMHO the keepers today are subjected to much more blocking and obstruction when going out for crosses etc.

I do agree with you that it is much safer if the keeper tries to catch the ball or get his body behind it rather than just stick out a foot or whatever part of their anatomy they can.

I realise I have not mentioned the hazards of playing when we did heavy,wet slippery ball, having to bounce the ball after three paces ( or was it two?). The pitches too were much inferior. Many times the goal area was like a swamp.

I know that we will probably not agree about this and I fully understand and respect your view. I know that there are many others who share your view so it will always be a point of discussion.



Regards

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 06:03 AM

Steve & MikeL: Take your points to great extent; do realise that both ball & techniques have changed. Disagree entirely, however, with "keepers today are subjected to much more blocking and obstruction when going out for crosses etc." Keepers today are absurdly spoiled; seems to me sometimes that a player is liable to get a red card if he so much as gives a goalkeeper a dirty look from the ½·way line [ok: I exaggerate - but not much]. Why, I remember once being shoulder charged by a large forward - even remember his name: Alfred Young - as I caught the ball so was off-balance, stumbling back into the goal, whither Alfred, propelled by impetus, staggered after me, stumbled & sat on my head; and a goal was given! Try that on one of today's pampered poor-ickle-darlings of goalkeepers and see where it gets you!...
Whatever I tell you next, Steve, you better believe that even that 15 ton ball could move thru the air quite fast when the fit came on it. Stan Mortensen was indeed v good; but I always preferred Tommy Lawton myself for effectiveness. Messi? - who he?

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MikeL2
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 07:00 AM

Hi Michael

I agree that goalkeepers were challenged by centre-forwards usually and the challenge was supposed to be shoulder to shoulder but seldom was. Nat Lofthouse was famous for his "heavy" challengers on the keepers.

What happens now though is that the attackers deliberately obstruct, push and even wrestle with the keeper even before the ball is kicked for corners and free kicks. It is a minefield in the penalty area these days and often the referees allow it to let the game flow.

A case in point is when David Gea came to Man United as a callow youth from Spanish football where keepers are more protected. The opposition soon realised his inexperience and continually took him out. Teams were queuing up to get at him and at one stage it was talked about him being sent home. He then had special training to toughen him up and to get him used to the rough and tumble. Now he is recognised as one of the best goalkeepers in the league.

I will watch tonight's game with more attention to goalkeeping..lol

Regards

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 11:17 AM

As to the penalty area cuddling on corners, shirt & short-elastic & arm holding ~~ when are FIFA going to get the guts to instruct referees that any hand to body or clothes contact must be immediately penalised with a card, however anxious refs may be to keep games flowing? This is genuinely something that one just didn't think of doing in my day. Till this abuse is properly addressed, the game is going to continue on its downward trajectory till it really does cease to be worth watching at all.

Thus Spake Nostra-mike-us...

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 12:32 PM

It must have been a weird day, this day of yours Michael. Back in the days when dinosaurs roamed the earth and you were coaching Frank Swift, collared shirts went out of fashion as players were dragging each other over with them and it was felt a few necks might get snapped...




Are you talking to me yet? Officially that is. The mask has slipped a few times already..


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 12:34 PM

"Nostra-mike-us" Hahahhaa! Good one.

What about the use of judges watching multiple camera angles and, upon seeing something untoward, simply speak into their mic "Germany 9."? The ref, who may not have seen the foul, acts accordingly. Or is that just too high tech?

Germany 2, Brazil 1.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 03:01 PM

Hi gnu

We already have two officials running the lines with the direct instructions to see the things the ref misses. They are in direct contact with the ref by radio. Surely that's enough?
No I don't think we need judges and TV replays to decide.....yet.

I agree with Michael the refs should get out the cards. That would soon stop em.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 03:38 PM

Almost time to play Schweinsteiger!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST, gnuonlaptop
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 04:37 PM

Holy shit Batman! 5-0 already? I am lovin it!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 04:42 PM

Good grief! Has someone tied the Brazilians' legs together? This is a massacre!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 04:50 PM

Rio Ferdinand has just said during half-time that Brazil "have come up against a well-oiled clinical machine..." How true!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,gnuonlaptop
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 05:21 PM

The Germans are being gentlemen now. Two obvious chances and flubbed them both. Looked like they did.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 05:43 PM

SEVEN-NIL???? Heavens above! My husband has just said that even our village football team (which he plays for) could do better than this! What a humiliation for the Brazilians, poor things.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: michaelr
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 06:04 PM

W O W ! ! !    It's hard to imagine either of the remaining sides beating Germany after this performance. Sure, Brazil played poorly, but Germany's possession and passing game was textbook, no matter who the opponent. Kudos to Brazil for not resorting to fouls, a very clean game.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Triplane
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 06:12 PM

Great German performance , Danke schön
Sad for Brazilians but pride comes b4 a fall

Also great to see the pundits faces.
Rio Ferdinand came out smelling of roses and Alan Hansen wasnae even at the dancin, Alan Shaerers bum was covered in splinters sittin on the fence.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 06:27 PM

blimey!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 07:03 PM

Did it distress you that Longshanks defenestrated his son's same-sex lover?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Schweizer
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 07:52 PM

Brazil without Neymar and Silva was just not going to win.
Surgical passing by the Deutsch made it a rout.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Hulk
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 08:09 PM

Neymar is in a gay bar, drinking his troubles away.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Michael Ballack
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 08:15 PM

Brasil played like girlie men today. Then they cried. Pele is supremely pissed. Ha ha ha.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Jul 14 - 09:15 PM

How do you say Ay Caramba in Portuguese?

And girls play better than that, you insult them! That is said with a big grin!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 12:09 AM

Frankly, watching the game wasn't even fun. Like one of the commenters said, it was like a professional team playing amateurs. Or even a high school team- except the high school would have had more energy.

I can see that losing two of your star players would mean that your chances of winning would be extremely low but surely the Brazil fans had the right to expect them to at least be there?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 02:23 AM

textbookcase of cognitive dissonance, one minute you are the best in the world and cruising to another world cup win. 4 minutes later you have to try to understand that you are, in fact, rubbish. imagine what the score could have been if the germans hadn't had to go carefully to protect their dodgy keeper. just occasionally football is an amazing game


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 02:36 AM

As a Sheffield Wednesday fan, whenever we score, I shout that it's like watching Brazil. Perhaps from now on, I should save that compliment for Sheffield Utd.

The signed shirt in my study from three of my 1970 Brazil heroes is beginning to collect cobwebs.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 05:36 AM

who is going to win tonight?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 05:54 AM

Holland.

OR Argentina.

Whichever gets more goals than the other one.

That's who...

You're welcome.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 06:14 AM

Hi

Jeeezz !!!

What a one-sided game!!

Brazil never came to the party.

For 15 minutes it looked like it could be a good game but this was just the Germans weighing up the opposition. When they found there was none they made hay in the sunshine.

The Brazilian defence went walk-about. Then Germany opened up and the supposed best team in the World just crumbled. There was no discipline nor any organisation what-so-ever.

Neymar's absence was not to blame for this total shambles. He would not have got a sniff of a goal. Germany were strolling in the second half and IMHO could have scored several more had they wished to do so.

Germany's mid-field was outstanding. They were organised and committed as they broke up Brazil's powder puff attacks, turning these into rapid assaults on an almost non-existant Brazilian defence.

On this form Germany must be strong favourites to win the trophy.

Surely though, Argentina or Holland will provide a much stiffer task ??

I don't think tonight's game will be one-sided. I think it will be close. I want Holland to win but am holding my breath and I am certainly not betting on them to win.

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 07:01 AM

which do you fancy, the great football team that always comes second or the dirty sods?

imponderable!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 07:03 AM

Surely someone will agree... Brazil began the game with a mental attitude of at least trepidation because two star players were missing and they were playing a very good team while Germany went in on a high note. One, then two, early goals and they fell apart 'mentally'. Of course their minds were not 'on the game' as they were preoccupied with losing after the first goal. After the second goal, it was almost a certainty.

Talent, attitude and discipline win. Ya gotta have all three.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 07:22 AM

On this form Germany must be strong favourites to win the trophy.

Dunno about that. Germany didn't have to display "form". As the Grauniad put it, they were playing a "team" that appeared to have just been dragged off the beach. Naturally, the canter will have helped to preserve them for Sunday. But I want the Argies to win tonight. Because I love Messi and because I want to see a final involving South America and Europe and because I'd rather watch paint dry than watch a final between the boring beach-towel putter-outerers and and the dirty cheating diving robbin' Robben-inspired Dutch. I've archived a couple of old Holby City episodes for that eventuality.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 07:26 AM

I agree with Steve,I would rather watch a final with MESSI playing rather than Robben.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 07:35 AM

I feel like being silly, so here's what will happen tonight. It will be nil-nil after extra time and Argentina will win 4-2 on penalties. It will be an ill-tempered match with eleven bookings. The dirty Dutch will attempt to hack Messi to pieces every time he starts to weave. They'll step on his boot every time he tries to turn, and the ref won't see any of it because other Dutch players crowding Messi will deliberately obstruct the ref's view. At least two Dutch players will do more than enough of that to get sent off but they won't be. Van Persie will be totally anonymous all night. Enjoy!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 07:36 AM

re: Schweinsteiger's name

Well, I've seen it "explained" incorrectly so often in the British media by a verbatim translation of "steigen" or "Steiger". The relevant part, however, is "Steige" or (in Northern Germany) "Stiege". This word is out of use today, but once meant, among other things, a rather small confinement.

The English word "sty" has the same root, of course.

So the name, very simply and rather close to the English language, means "(the man coming from) the swinesty (pigsty)".

Wolfgang

PS.: I'm still in disbelief of what they have shown last night. They must have transmitted a different game just to tease us and tomorrow they'll tell us the real result. Brasil 2 Germany 1 was my prediction.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,weerover
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 11:10 AM

Holidaying in Galway at the moment, where during the semi the pub just along the road (Roisin Dubh) had bottles of Brahma (Brazilian) and pints of Erlinger (German) at 4 euros. For each goal either side scored, the price of their beer came down by 50 cents. Guess what they sold a lot of?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MikeL2
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 11:20 AM

Hi Steve

<" On this form Germany must be strong favourites to win the trophy.

Dunno about that. Germany didn't have to display "form">

Current odds Germany 8-11; Argentina 13-5; Holland 4-1.

Of course those odds will change when tonight's game is decided. Be interesting to see who the bookies will decide who is the team to win.

At those odds I certainly won't be betting.

A friend of mine who is Chinese who does not normally gamble, bet that England would lose 1-2 against Italy, which of course they did. So he the bet on Uruguay beating England 2-1 as well.....and we know what happened. He knows nothing about football. Perhaps he should replace Alan Shearer as a pundit...lol

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Jim McLean
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 11:39 AM

Wolfgang, when I lived in Bavaria they had a pejorative phrase for a loser, I suppose. It sounded like 'Sei Steicher Tyroler ' and meant an imitation mountain climber or something of that sort, literally a pig climbing Tyroler. Does any if this make sense? And the name Stewart also means a pig watcher!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 01:33 PM

Germany Vs Argentina could be a good game for Sunday. A few split loyalties though. There are quite a few people in Argentina of German descent.......







Today's Basil Fawlty moment, you're welcome.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 02:13 PM

I will be supporting Argentina of course.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MikeL2
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 03:28 PM

Hi Bonzo

<"I will be supporting Argentina of course.">

No surprise there then...lol

With my afinity to Man United and van Gaal now our manager, no surprise who I am supporting either.

However I think Argentina are a good side. They will not cave like Brazil. I think it will be a hard,physical game and I think Argentina will have too much fire up front. Not that Holland don't have some great strikers, but I think Robben will be marked out of it and van Persie has been ill recently and won't be fit even if he plays.

Fingers crossed.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 03:48 PM

Right... Nether Regions 2, Argentina 1.

Hey, it worked big time yesterday. Worth a (slight) shot, eh?

On any given Sunday, eh? (Yankee football reference.)


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: pdq
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 03:59 PM

Well, I was poised to be the first to predict a Dutch victory but I am too late.

Discipline and teamwork usually best a group of self-serving "stars".

Germany and Netherlands in finals would be interseting. Hopefully less foul-ridden and violent that some of the games have been.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 04:50 PM

Postre de Haydee:
Preparar una budinera acaramelada.
Harina y azúcar en partes iguales. Alternar los ingredientes secos con capas de manzanas cortadas finitas. Encima echar 3 huevos batidos con 1 vaso de oporto. Golpear un poquito para que baje el huevo. Cocinar al horno


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 05:00 PM

Jim,

both informations were completely new for me, thanks.

Some jokes are very short lived, so here's a football joke that can only be told today: (bear in mind that for some German fans their favourite team to lose is Holland and vice versa)

A Dutchman and a German meet this morning. The Dutch says: "We'll play Argentina tonight." The German responds: "Yes, I know. We'll play them next Sunday."

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 05:04 PM

Ah, well, before I go back to watch the second half, another football joke in admittedly very bad taste:

"What's the good thing about global warming?" "?" "Soon, all football world cups will be played without Holland."

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 06:34 PM

Didn't work.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 07:18 PM

I feel like being silly, so here's what will happen tonight. It will be nil-nil after extra time

Why yes!

...and Argentina will win 4-2 on penalties.

Well bugger me sideways with a bent banana, but, why yes again!

It will be an ill-tempered match with eleven bookings. The dirty Dutch will attempt to hack Messi to pieces every time he starts to weave. They'll step on his boot every time he tries to turn, and the ref won't see any of it because other Dutch players crowding Messi will deliberately obstruct the ref's view. At least two Dutch players will do more than enough of that to get sent off but they won't be.

Bugger, not too good there I suppose...

Van Persie will be totally anonymous all night.

Why yes!

Bloody good job for the bookies that I'm not a betting man innit...

:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 07:40 PM

That was a good match to watch. (Unlike the Germany/Brazil game, which left a bad taste in the mouth)

Hard fought, evenly matched, good refereeing kept the roughness to a minimum (am I right in thinking that?) and - I didn't have a dog in the hunt but I found myself cheering for the Argentines - the right team won.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: michaelr
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 08:11 PM

Steve, you did well!

Ebbie, I disagree. Any game that runs 120 minutes without a goal to me is not worth watching. (I taped it while at work, and probably won't watch it.) I detest penalty shootouts - such a shitty way to decide a match. Whereas yesterday's game was highly entertaining.

I predict Germany to win 2-1.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Jul 14 - 08:57 PM

Ah but Michaelr, that simply means that you are a longtime fan of football/soccer and have standards. I am new at it and I find it highly entertaining.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 02:43 AM

No me importa un pepino como canaron!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 02:48 AM

Correction: No me importa un pepino como ganaron. Lo que me importa es que ganaron!!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 03:06 AM

I am a betting man, unlike Steve. I got 2/1 for 0.0. Not bad odds really for the most expected result. Put a tenner on it.

Off to Scotland right now for the night. That'll go towards the beer fund.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 10:17 AM

Argentina - a lot of histrionics last night to break the rhythm of the Dutch team. great agony that disappeared suspiciously quickly.

watch out for the hand of God putting in an appearance!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MikeL2
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 10:18 AM

Hi

Watched the game last night. As I expected very close thing.
Argentina completely blocked out Robben & van Persie.

Neither side looked like scoring and both goalkeepers had little to do.I have seen it quoted in the papers that Robben only touched the ball 6 times in the first half!!

van Gaal tried a different strategy. He tried to win the game by putting on his 3 subs instead of 2 and thus keeping his Goalkeeper for the penalty shootout. Some you win.........

I don't think that Germany will get an easy ride but they look a fair bet to me.
Latest odds for the Final Germany 4/6, Argentina 5/4.

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 12:44 PM

Got a tenner on Argentina. If the odds move, I may lay off my bet.

Mike, the odds you quote are for lifting the World Cup? The match odds, that I have placed on are, as at now, Germany 13/10, Argentina 23/10 and draw 9/4. I never bet on overall winner as that can take penalties into account, and I would want far better odds for such a chance result!

By the way, a bloke put a bet on the 7.1 result at 500/1. Lucky sod....


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,guest OVer the bar
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 12:59 PM

I hope Germany do not play with. 10 men, Ozil is a plank . C,mon the Germans.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: The Sandman
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 01:20 PM

Argentina, had more shots on goal and more chances , mike, you and i, must be seeing things differently, argentina looked like scoring 4 times, holland never looked like scoring.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Schweizer
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 02:03 PM

The only thing that kept Germany-USA from being the blowout of Germany-Brazil was epic goalkeeping. I suspect another blowout coming.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MikeL2
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 02:59 PM

Hi GSS

I am slightly confused by your post. I never said that Argentina had made more shots on goal.

I said that neither side looked like scoring. Argentina may have had 4 shots on goal, and they may have looked more dangerous occasionally but I don't recall the Holland keeper having to make a good save.

Argentina played brilliantly in defence by tying up van Persie and almost obliterating Robben. Mascerano for me was the man of the match.

With regards to the Final. Germany don't just have two strikers. All their team is capable of scoring as they all change their positions constantly. I think Argentina will have difficulty in constraining Germany.

I really don't mind who wins as long as it is a good game. I like sauerkraut with my corned beef.

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 10 Jul 14 - 04:00 PM

"I really don't mind who wins as long as it is a good game."

Ahyup. I want entertainment. Part of that is cheering for one team (changing if one's team plays dirty excepted). I shall cheer for Germany... born in Zweibrucken as an RCAF brat I was. Lived there three years. Ah, the good life. Don't remember shit about it. Getting to that stage again.

Sadly, Mum said Argentina today. Maybe just to tease me as she is 87, can't really see the TV screen well and hasn't watched any games yet?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 02:03 AM

"Ahyup"

No no no.

"Eyup".

Tha's got t' be' moore Yorksheer abaht tha' pronunciation lad.   

Anyone 'ud think tha' wo' a foreigner.

Ooh. Bluddy 'eck. Thy is annall. Al gu tu foot o' our stairs.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 04:17 AM

Hi Musket

ey oop Sithee yonder throssil. It's avin a wesh in waaaarm watter.

Poot twood int oil.

My Mother was born in Mexborough and lived in Elsecar. My granddad worked in Elsecar "Pits"

My mum's sister lived on Middlewood Road right opposite Hillsborough Park...across from the Library entrance.

As a kid I stood on the terraces at Hillsborough and booed Sheffield United....lol Also went to Oakwell a few times....ah the good old days.

I'm "posh" now and live in Cheshire...lol and sit in the stands at Old Trafford.

How the mighty have fallen.

Regards

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 04:35 AM

Ditto..

I have been a season ticket holder at Hillsborough since the 69/70 season as a small lad. I worked down the pit too, many moons ago. We had a few of the lads come to Manton when Elsecar shut. My main connection with Mexborough is somewhat a pain in the arse. Or at least, I had an operation at Montagu Hospital on my arse a couple of years ago...

Mind you, I too have fallen. Instead of being on the Kop or even the North Stand, I do the hospitality bit, a la carte meal, comfy seats... Costs an arm and a leg but the only way to get Mrs Musket to convert to the true religion. My two lads take photos of their rats coffin and bovril from the kop and send it to my phone, knowing I would rather be with them than across where I sit. Mind you, neither complain when Mrs Musket can't make it and they get wined & dined...


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 08:08 AM

This guy is known as "Brazil's 12th man."

What a guy! There are lots of pics and stories about him.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Jul 14 - 07:16 PM

Argentina - a lot of histrionics last night to break the rhythm of the Dutch team.

Jaysus, what match were you watching, Al? I saw no histrionics but I did see a very clever, tactical defensive display that completely sidelined robbin' Robben and Van Persie, masterminded most sublimely by Javier Mascherano, who played the game of his life and who made the finest tackle you'll ever see, depriving Robben of a rock-solid goal-scoring, game-changing opportunity. Try to not be quite so anti-Dago, Al!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 12:36 AM

Must agree that Argentina did just play that bit better, with Mascherano excelling, esp in that blocking tackle. And can't too much praise Romero's astonishing performance during the shoot-out; even better than Krul's the previous round. What might have happened, mind you, if Van Gaal had been able to bring Krul on again, which he was presented from doing by force-majeure, having used up his substitutes due to injury...

Anyhow; much looking forward to tomorrow's final. Also to seeing whether Brazil can at least recapture some sort of cred tonite.

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 02:36 AM

The schedule says that Brazil-the Netherlands plays "17:00 local time". So what time is that in the US?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 05:46 AM

17:00 ADT, one hour later than EDT.

All games have started at 1PM and 5PM ADT so far.

Note that the final starts at 4PM ADT.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=world+cup+schedule&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=&gfe_rd=cr&ei=sMOiU-2
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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 07:34 AM

we'll see......


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 09:43 AM

Hi Musket

I too have been able to have "the high life" in that my son's company are Singapore based and the Chairman is a Man United fan ( fanatic).
So he rented an executive box and on most games my son & I were able to go. He also bought 4 season tickets in The North Stand. Now called The Alex Ferguson stand.

Like yours, my wife did not really show much interest in attending games but one week-end the Chairman invited her to come to the game with him. When she came home she was really excited by her excursion. She recounted how she had been escorted round facilities by Peter Schmeichel. Peter stands about 6ft 5ins and my wife is " 1 inch short of 5ft!!!   However Peter was charming and introduced her to several United players.
She then accompanied the chairman into the restaurant and she described the food in much detail.
When I asked her how did she enjoy the game....she replied " Oh that...it was OK. I asked her who they were playing and what the score was. She she didn't know but she thought United won.

Nuff said. She has not been since.

My son & I still go because we bought two of the season tickets from the company. At a discount of course.

Unfortunately (for me) the company cancelled this arrangement two years ago.

Cheers

Mike

PS United beat Spurs 3-1


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 04:55 PM

I was gonna say 4-1 and it's (kinda)halfway there but anything can happen. Robben? Still my fav old man... outplaying boys half his age.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 07:01 PM

Well, minnow, Robben is thirty years old. He is not "outplaying boys half his age" because there is no-one, either at the World Cup or in the Bundesliga, who is fifteen years old, or anything like fifteen years old, who he plays against. Why don't you just stick to girlie rounders?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 07:12 PM

In sports years he is. Do the maths girlie man. And suck it up a notch. Fuck me! Play some hockey on the pond in Canada and see where your girlie ass ends up ya pussy.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 07:27 PM

Have another vat of freezing cold yankee "beer", minnow. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 07:45 PM

And you stay sober so you can insult other people at will. Twit.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 08:10 PM

Yes, I've found it to be quite a good ploy, especially when I'm having to deal with football-illiterates such as your rather sozzled self. Jayz, I know I could be doing you a mighty disservice, calling you sozzled, but just look at the recent evidence:

In sports years he is. Do the maths girlie man. And suck it up a notch. Fuck me! Play some hockey on the pond in Canada and see where your girlie ass ends up ya pussy.

:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 12 Jul 14 - 10:09 PM

Troll.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Jul 14 - 02:45 AM

"3 days ago ... [DATEBOOK] The World Cup concludes with the Argentina-Germany final on Sunday (3 pm ET kickoff)."

Assuming this info that I gleaned from World Cup Schedule is correct, I'll turn on my tv at 11 o'clock, Alaska time.

(gnu, I don't know what "ADT" is?)


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 13 Jul 14 - 06:20 AM

Es fútbol. Se gana y se pierde. Lamentable la actuación del equipo de Brasil. Pero más lamentable es el abucheo y la tremenda presión de los locales a un equipo que llega -aunque inmerecidamente- al cuarto puesto. Es una pena.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 13 Jul 14 - 06:34 AM

Ebbie

Atlantic Daylight Time

Found just by googling Wikipedia ADT, & scrolling down till I found the one that obviously fitted the case. Simple really.

luv

~M~


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 13 Jul 14 - 07:31 AM

Yes, I suppose you are...


Argentina v Germany. Col Blimp doesn't know when to cheer....


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: ragdall
Date: 13 Jul 14 - 11:07 AM

Ebbie,
According to my guide on the cable, it starts about 15 minutes before that. Maybe that 15 minutes is when the coverage starts with the analysts? The start is 11:45 in BC, so 10:45 in Alaska. Is an American channel covering it, or are you able to watch on CBC?

rags


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Jul 14 - 11:58 AM

Ragdall, I have found it mainly on ESPN on cable. There has been another tv channel that broadcast a few of the matches. The commentary usually starts a half hour before the game.

MichaeltheGM, I did look up ADT and didn't find a clear answer, probably because of the 'A', which to me denotes Alaska. Thanks, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Jul 14 - 12:00 PM

"Your love was dust in an old man's cup"--Leonard Cohen

GfS


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 13 Jul 14 - 02:48 PM

Here is the answer to the 'time' question. Turn on the TV now.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 13 Jul 14 - 05:38 PM

Schweinsteiger!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Guest Over the bar
Date: 13 Jul 14 - 05:43 PM

German the masters, brilliant World Cup winners.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Jul 14 - 05:48 PM

Interestingly, it seemed that most of the German team were actually German.

And at least it was a good goal, and not luck in shootouts...


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 13 Jul 14 - 05:57 PM

I would have ceased watching had it gone to kicks.
I didn't care who won, just wanted my moneys worth. Got it. Am happy.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MudGuard
Date: 13 Jul 14 - 05:59 PM

> Interestingly, it seemed that most of the German team were actually German.

Mesut Özil?
Jerome Boateng?
Shkodran Mustafi?
Sami Kedhira?
Miroslav (typical German Polish first name) Klose?
Lukas Podolski (typical German Polish last name)?

...


But yes, OUR team has won!!!

MudGuard (happy and a little bit drunk ...)


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 14 - 06:01 PM

Showpiece? Condemned out of their own mouths. A horrible, dreary game, thankfully someone managed to score a goal before the TV centred manufactured drama of penalties. South American football exposed as a sham, if the Argentinian players had been half as assiduous about kicking the ball as they did their oppoents' shins they might have done a bit better. Thnk the Lord that that's that for two years.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 14 - 06:14 PM

Surprised that Germans have Polish names? This is what Europe looked like a bare hundred years ago.. No Poland (though many Poles.. and Ukrainians, and Czechs and Slovaks and... was it Woodrow Wilson who sadly admitted that he had not realised that there were so many small nations?


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 13 Jul 14 - 06:16 PM

I suppose that rather spectacular goal made them worthy winners. To be fair, they were the most consistent team there.

I just wish I believed that when I put money on Argentina.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: michaelr
Date: 13 Jul 14 - 06:19 PM

Goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Jul 14 - 06:39 PM

Well.... a number of the German players had German names.... anyway, Schweinsteiger is the one I saw the most, as he seemed to be the one getting his shins kicked the most....


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: bobad
Date: 13 Jul 14 - 06:58 PM

Mesut Özil? ....Born: October 15, 1988 (age 25), Gelsenkirchen, Germany
Nationality: German

Jerome Boateng?....Born: September 3, 1988 (age 25), West Berlin
Nationality: West German, German

Shkodran Mustafi?....Born: April 17, 1992 (age 22), Bad Hersfeld, Germany
Nationality: German

Sami Kedhira?....Born: April 4, 1987 (age 27), Stuttgart, Germany
Nationality: West German, Tunisian, German

Miroslav (typical German Polish first name) Klose?....Born: June 9, 1978 (age 36), Opole, Poland
Nationality: German

Lukas Podolski (typical German Polish last name)?....Born: June 4, 1985 (age 29), Gliwice, Poland
Nationality: Polish, German


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 13 Jul 14 - 07:52 PM

bobad... always the voice of reason. Me? Schweinsteiger!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 03:30 AM

The best thing about the World Cup: it`s over! :0P


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 04:02 AM

I thought it was a hard fought match. I enjoyed it.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 04:02 AM

Roll on Euro '16!

Qualifying matches start soon...

In the meantime, I'm at Trent Bridge today to see India bat for a draw.

You can't get enough sport... German Grand Prix next weekend...


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 04:12 AM

By the way, today I happened upon a match between the Seattle Sounders and the Portland Timbers. To my great surprise I saw Clint Dempsey! I don't know why I was so surprised but I think I just kind of assumed that the USA team that played at FIFA was an actual entity.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 05:49 AM

In sports between nations, there is a perception of "actual" nationality (Bill's message of 13 Jul 14 - 05:48 PM) which has little to do with ethnic background. The point is that many successful sportspersons are suspected of having opted for their nationality just to optimize their success or income. National officials often encourage this practice, although it effectively diminishes the identification of citizens with their national team, the raison d'être of such tournaments.

Fortunately, excessive "symbolic patriotism" seems to be slowly decreasing, even in Latin America.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 09:18 AM

At least I understand the offside rule now!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 09:56 AM

Shame that the usual rent-a-mob scum in Buenos Aires riot in a way that makes even the Croydon riot of 2011 seem like a Sunday School outing!!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 11:03 AM

Hi Musket

<" In the meantime, I'm at Trent Bridge today to see India bat for a draw.">

Your message is dated today 14th July.....but the Test Match finished yesterday. Or am I in a time warp....would not be unusual ..lol

You were right India did bat for a draw and got it.

Cheers Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 11:18 AM

Hi Bonzo

<" At least I understand the offside rule now! >"

It's easy. You watch for the linesman and when his flag goes up....it's not off side.

Or Es Fácil. Miras Por El juez de línea y CUANDO Sube su bandera .... No es lateral a la Salida.

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 11:39 AM

"... many successful sportspersons are suspected of having opted for their nationality just to optimize their success..."

As in the Japanese speed skater who was dropped from his team, and moved to Russia and obtained citizenship... and proceeded to make the Japanese regret their decision.

The major US sports... football, baseball, basketball... are ALL about teams trying to buy a winning team. At least the World Cup has some semblance of National Pride...even with the odd mix one gets in the US and European teams.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 12:22 PM

The post was sent yesterday...... From my iPhone in the bar of The Trent Bridge Inn.... I didn't check it had posted, I was getting the beers in!

Weird!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 01:22 PM

six of the German team were Bayern Munich. imagine a top rate premier division team with that many nationals....

that's the lesson England should learn, but won't.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 02:34 PM

Aye, Dorchester signed a Welsh bloke last season...


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MikeL2
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 02:48 PM

Hi Musket

What you in a bar!!!!! Now I know there is something wrong...lol

I see England have picked Simon Kerrigan for the next Test. Kerrigan of course was savaged by the Australians last year when he was hit for ) for 53 off eight overs on the first day. He was taken off and not used for the rest of the series. I have seen him in a couple of games this year and he does not look like England class to me. But we are woefully short of spin bowlers.

See you in the bar...lol
Hic

Regards

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MikeL2
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 03:02 PM

Hi Al

<" six of the German team were Bayern Munich. imagine a top rate premier division team with that many nationals....that's the lesson England should learn, but won't">

You may be interested to learn that Man United had 7 players to play for England in ( I think 2001). Liverpool had 6 in June of this year !!

So maybe it's not how many but how good they are??

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MikeL2
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 03:22 PM

Hi

This thing about trying to build teams from non-national players is rife.

An interesting one is Adnan Januzaj. As a 16 year old he became a Manchester United player having previously played for a Belgian team having been born there. His parents are Kosovo/Albanian descent.

Last year at 19 was picked to play in United's first team and shows great promise.

Januzaj is eligible to represent Belgium through birth and passport, Albania through his ethnic Albanian heritage, Turkey through his grandparents, and Serbia due to the disputed status of his parents' homeland of Kosovo. He is also eligible to represent Kosovo in international football; although Kosovo does not at this time have a FIFA-affiliated senior team.

All these Countries want Januzaj to represent them. Plus England were making overtures for him to qualify on residential grounds.
He eventually chose Belgium and was selected to go with their team this year to the World Cup. he was only used as a substitute but his manager says that he was taken as much for the experience as a squad player.

It was reported that he has received death threats from fans of teams that he turned down.

Gets complicated don't it ???

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 04:13 PM

well not really. you've got a government that blethers on about how important sport is to the nation. then sells off school playing fields.


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 04:11 AM

I bet its good craic in Germany right now. Lucy Ward is touring there -lucky little sod!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 04:41 AM

Hi Al

<"well not really. you've got a government that blethers on about how important sport is to the nation. then sells off school playing fields.">

I agree ....but I bet they are not selling off the playing fields at Eton !!!

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 04:52 AM

They tried building a wall there once, to be fair...


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 06:14 AM

Hi Musket

.......but it turned out to be a mess...lol

Cheers

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 06:36 AM

But I enjoy eton it all the same...


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 08:08 AM

400


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 09:00 AM

Do you know Bridge, that's the first post you have published on the subject of football without prefixing it with "association."

Well done.





No football, no cricket, not interested in Tour de France....

Might have to go to a folk club instead. That's novel this month....


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 05:39 AM

Refresh - for thread name game!


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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 16 Jul 14 - 06:47 AM

Have just scrolled back thru thread. I note that I have been backing Germany thruout, so can take some satisfaction. But must particularly congratulate MikeL2, who predicted either Germany or Argentina on 26 June. Now that really was prescient. Well done!

~M~


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