BS: World Cup

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 08:45 AM

Why, Stu, what a miserable life you must lead if you 'nark off' so easy!

Re that Bobby Charlton goal, Dave: watched it again on YouTube. Very good example of one of those breakthru long runs & shot at the end which turn the crowd on; but hardly rare -- there's one not too different from that on MOTD most weeks. Lacking, tho, in that astonishing nonchalant elegance of that Gazza one.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 09:31 AM

I think what gets on many Scottish people's nerves a bit is that we watch the World Cup through England's (ie our footballing rivals) eyes. even during the opening ceremony they whittered on non-stop about England. I dare say had it been broadcast by BBC Scotland or STV and Scotland were in the tournament then our commentators etc would be the same. Difference is that the whole of England wouldn't be force fed it too.

The point about Andy Murray is the perfect example of taking things too serious. He was in a press interview with Tim Henman and the interviewer asked him who he'd be supporting as they tended to do to Scots for a while though there has been little of it so far this year. Henman joked "he won't be supporting Scotland anyway as they didn't make it" to which Murray joked back "I'll just support anyone who's playing England". It was all banter but several papers the next day run the story that "Murray hated England" and there was a tirade of both online and offline abuse against him. Even a death threat! Despite both Henman and the journalist himself insisting that they were all just having a good natured banter the story persisted for years. In a documentary last year Murray said that is why he seldom speaks to the press now other than on tennis matters and is very guarded in waht he says.

I think other prominent Scots who are now asked would be very reluctant to even suggest that they might not support England - despite what they really feel. It is daft to think that you can pressurise people into support a particular football team!!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 03:42 PM

Cahill scored what could be the goal of the tournament.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 04:18 PM

Some goal!! Aussies are a tad unlucky

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 04:58 PM

Spain? WTF? I am shocked.

My fav goal so far... header by Robin van Persie.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 05:23 PM

Agreed re both the Cahill & van Persie goals.

I enjoyed the commentator's comment that someone had "committed a foul right under the referee's nose". Sounded oddly painful.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Stu
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 05:54 PM

Cahill's goal was incredible!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 03:04 AM

I had a very short one way telephone conversation with my friend Matty in Madrid a few minutes ago. It went thus;

Hola! Mateo! El Gordo full back eh?

Then the phone went dead....


Life is good

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 06:17 AM

Hi

Was surprised by the performance by Chile. They completely outplayed Spain ( The current holders) in every single department.

They were fitter faster and cleverer than Spain.

I think this was the most physically demanding game I have seen in this competition this year. Chile tackled like tigers and were pressing Spain into making many mistakes.

A good game to watch. If Chile can keep this up some of the other "high fliers" better watch out !!!

Roll on tonight....got my fingers crossed !!

Cheers

MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Hrothgar
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 06:38 AM

I am glad that I am not Spanish.

... and even more so that I am not in the Spanish soccer team.

At least the Australians will be safe when they come home.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,LK867
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 06:57 AM

Spain played like a third division team. Soccer is like a religion in that country so the team and manager will feel the brunt of it on their return home. The French people openly displayed their anger when their side flopped in South Africa four years ago.

Still think Argentina or Brazil will win the tournament, my hope still remains with Germany.

As for tonight's match, come on Uruguay !

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 08:50 AM

"Roll on tonight....got my fingers crossed !!"

Not to be a stick in the mud but, more like roll over. Just can't see it, although, of course, I shall root for England. Alan Morehouse reminded me on Facebook that they have never beaten Uruguay in the World Cup. That doesn't mean anything but if they play today as they have been playing, I don't hold much hope. Then again, how pleasant a surprise if they prevail!

GO ENGLAND!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 09:04 AM

Just got back from the supermarket. Got five mates coming round to watch the match here tonight. Lots of beer and nibbles at the ready.

Judging by some of the other matches, England stand a chance against any of what I have seen. Can't lose against Uruguay or it is all academic.

EEENNNGGGEERRRRLLLLAAAAANNNNNNNNDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




RRRROOOOOOOONNNNNNNEEEEEEEEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Stu
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 09:23 AM

I too have been to the local supermarket for beer, nibbles and cheese.

Looking forward to tonight, hoping they keep positive and keep going forward.

Let's 'ave yer!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 09:50 AM

I have 2 x 10cl bottles of rather good Malt Whisky left from a Fathers day pressy on Sunday. So I may well watch the England match with Scotland's finest export ;-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,allan conn
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 11:43 AM

Gnu why the pessimism? Even as a Scot i must say that England were miles better in their first game than Uruguay were

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 12:54 PM

I don't wanna get in a 'match of wits' with so few weapons of my own in regards to football but I just don't think some of the strategy regarding Rooney, Gerrard and Lampard during the second game showed promise. I expect to see them press hard and early today... what we in Canuckistan would say is 'Everyone FLY!".

Having said all I have, I must reiterate that my knowledge is limited to a level well below all who have posted to this thread. Allow me an example... ya wanna talk Yankee football? I believe that sums up my take on it so ignore my comments and enjoy the game. I have lots of ale and scored cooked lobsters at $4.99 a pound. Haven't seen that price for YEARS! I saw the sign and the lineup so I caught the fish guys eye and held up 6 fingers, to which he gave me a thumbs up. An hour later, I retrieved my prize. I'll be crackin bugs within the hour. Mmmmmmmmmmmm.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 01:04 PM

Starting to get excited now. Have to make sure a little bit of wee doesn't pop out.

Did I type that out loud?

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,LK867
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 01:13 PM

Love the fair unbiased commentary during the match against Italy (which I thoroughly enjoyed) When an English player attempted to cripple an Italian striker heading towards goal, it was "He had no choice, it was a professional foul, he had to stop him, it was the right thing to do"

Charmingly arrogant with a hint of self righteousness.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 01:16 PM

Agree with that, I must say. Professional foul, be buggered. Might as well talk of the necessity of a "Professional bank robbery". Ashamed that a player in an England shirt would stoop to such tactics.

~M~

~small>teeheeheehee...

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,LK867
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 01:29 PM

Enjoy the match tonight Michael, you and I are in the minority here when it comes to soccer! hope you are enjoying the whole tournament, loving it at this end. Next week will see things heat up.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 03:54 PM

Now that is what I am talkin 'bout. I am hopeful and glued to the screen. BTW, the lobsters are deeeelish! Wish you were all here to partake. Beautiful header for the goal... wrong team. Sigh.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 04:56 PM

Elation upon the Rooney goal. Then not so much. Sigh. But... heck of a game and that's what counts.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 04:56 PM

Oh dear. Husband just gone outside to take down our flags. I daren't say anything; he looks as if he might burst into tears.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,LK867
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:02 PM

Cometh the hour, cometh the man. A wonderful game and a great result.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:03 PM

Super game and we looked like we could have won. We could still get through and, on tonight's performance, if we did we could do well. But who will bet on it :-(

Still, onwards and upwards. Or something like that.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:07 PM

Some of us aren't complaining. A bunch of overpaid posers meet reality, only outdone by the US NFL. I didn't watch the match because the result was all too predictable, all the way. Now it's likely out of the way, we can get back to normal and work on what we are good at - and soccer ain't it. No "clearly" based on the short-term result, some of us could have told you that from way on back.
It's a pretty tawdry kind of nationalism, being required to support such a side, just because they wrap themselves in an English flag. Jingoism writ small. By all means enjoy a game, but to make the kind of fuss this has attracted is out of proportion. I'd have a bit more respect if most of those watching played. But they don't, so I don't.
Now if you want a game, play rugby.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:09 PM

Oh bollocks

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:15 PM

the gangs all here
ashen faced Ron Knee
Sid and Doris Bonkers......

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:29 PM

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Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:29 PM

Now if you want a game, play rugby.

I did. For a long tome. League of course being from Lancashire. Not a big fan of football but would not dream of pissing on the enjoyment of so many others. Like the anonymous guest whom I guess never played any game that meant he may come face to face with anyone :-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:48 PM

"For a long tome"
.,,.

War & Peace ?

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 06:35 PM

really Dave - my family was from st Helens. my dad as a very young man used to play the saints.
where are you from?

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 06:47 PM

england are at best an average team and have been for decades. yes, i know scotland are shite but we recognised that long ago and party anyway. seriously though, maybe english fans can now stop fooling themselves and get behind good footballing teams and enjoy the event with less feverish chauvinism. and inevitably disappointment

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 07:42 PM

Must be said I like your definition of enjoyment none the less, DtG: supporting the English football team must be the ultimate form of masochism.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Peter K (Fionn)
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 09:08 PM

Great result for a country with a population smaller than Glasgow's.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,LK867
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 03:18 AM

According to the media this morning the England team need a " Good cleaning out" maybe they should bring them to that Chinese on the Andersonstown Road in Belfast, seems to work for the rest of us on a Sunday morning.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 03:39 AM

We need to beat Costa Rica by a fairly hefty margin and for Italy to win both their next games.

Piss easy.

Howay the lads!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,LK867
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 03:55 AM

One paper said Steven Gerrard should have been " Pulled Off" at half time. Why give him a treat like that ?

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 05:02 AM

apparently the team had a pre-match talk from Frank Lampard about how horrible it would be to get sent home. real motivational stuff...

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 06:10 AM

Hi Don't know happened with previous message. Must have got hi-jacked by Uruguay !!

We were beaten by a more determined team on the day. They appeared to want it more than us. And as for Suarez - what can I say, I don't like the guy as a person , but he is one hell of a player.

Never mind we English are hardened to all this. At least we didn't lose on penalties. We were spared that!!

But no miracle I fear !!

Cheers


MikeL2

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Stu
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 06:12 AM

Ah well.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 06:14 AM

Swinton initially, Al, and then Salford - Both big RL towns in their day and now while both still have a team neither have a home ground in their home towns! I never progressed past the school team but I enjoyed running down the left wing before I discovered girls and booze :-)

DtG
(Now firmly ensconced near Skipton)

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 06:18 AM

MikeL -- Just out of interest what your objection to Suarez 'as a person'? Seems a likeable enough young man to me.

~M~

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 06:31 AM

"Great result for a country with a population smaller than Glasgow's"
Well said Peter.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: gnu
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 07:02 AM

What's with all the nasty crap? It was an exciting game. Disappointing outcome but that is what winning is all about... not losing. As for the detractors of the sport, why do you bother wasting your time... and that of everyone else? How is it said across the pond?... sod off?

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: Musket
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 07:21 AM

About the only football link they do have with Glasgow....

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 07:29 AM

Guest what population do you think Glasgow has????? The city itself is only a fraction of Uruguay's population and even if you took the urban area it is still well short. Uruguay has about 3.3 million people.

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 07:35 AM

"About the only football link they do have with Glasgow...."

Don't know there appeared to be links last night. I take it I wasn't the only one to notice one or two Saltires amongst the Uruguay fans? Either some Uruguayans flying Scottish flags or Scots amongst the Uruguayans!!!

Subject: RE: BS: World Cup
From: G-Force
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 09:40 AM

Pull Gerrard off at half time??? I wouldn't have even played him at all. I'm fed up with him taking all the corners and free kicks and doing nothing with them. Not content with chucking away Liverpool's league title, now he's done the same to England's world cup.

It's a shame how we have to wait for these aging heroes to retire rather than just dropping them, but because it's the media who effectively pick the team these days I suppose no manager is going to dare to leave out a past hero.