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BS: lets develop Scotland

Big Al Whittle 17 Jun 14 - 09:41 AM
Big Al Whittle 17 Jun 14 - 09:42 AM
Musket 17 Jun 14 - 09:47 AM
GUEST,Eric Reasonable 17 Jun 14 - 09:53 AM
GUEST,Eric Reasonable 17 Jun 14 - 10:13 AM
Big Al Whittle 17 Jun 14 - 12:09 PM
Jack Campin 17 Jun 14 - 01:56 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 17 Jun 14 - 02:36 PM
Musket 17 Jun 14 - 03:33 PM
GUEST,Allan Conn 17 Jun 14 - 06:35 PM
GUEST,Eric Reasonable 17 Jun 14 - 07:27 PM
Richard Bridge 17 Jun 14 - 07:59 PM
Big Al Whittle 17 Jun 14 - 10:57 PM
GUEST,Musket 18 Jun 14 - 01:24 AM
akenaton 18 Jun 14 - 02:59 AM
Musket 18 Jun 14 - 03:21 AM
Big Al Whittle 18 Jun 14 - 05:01 AM
Musket 18 Jun 14 - 05:16 AM
Big Al Whittle 18 Jun 14 - 07:48 AM
akenaton 18 Jun 14 - 08:41 AM
Musket 18 Jun 14 - 08:42 AM
Ed T 18 Jun 14 - 09:27 AM
GUEST 18 Jun 14 - 09:44 AM
GUEST,Allan Conn 18 Jun 14 - 04:22 PM
Rapparee 18 Jun 14 - 09:40 PM
Dave the Gnome 19 Jun 14 - 08:16 AM
Musket 19 Jun 14 - 08:56 AM
GUEST,Jock Strapped 19 Jun 14 - 09:45 AM
akenaton 19 Jun 14 - 10:19 AM
Musket 19 Jun 14 - 10:39 AM
Dave the Gnome 19 Jun 14 - 01:17 PM
GUEST,Eliza 19 Jun 14 - 04:09 PM
Dave the Gnome 19 Jun 14 - 04:58 PM
GUEST,Musket 19 Jun 14 - 05:19 PM
Dave the Gnome 19 Jun 14 - 05:25 PM
akenaton 19 Jun 14 - 05:50 PM
akenaton 19 Jun 14 - 06:00 PM
akenaton 19 Jun 14 - 06:04 PM
Jack the Sailor 19 Jun 14 - 06:18 PM
GUEST,Troubadour 19 Jun 14 - 06:19 PM
GUEST,Allan Conn 19 Jun 14 - 06:30 PM
GUEST,achmelvich 19 Jun 14 - 06:55 PM
GUEST,Allan Conn 19 Jun 14 - 07:04 PM
GUEST,Musket 20 Jun 14 - 01:27 AM
Dave the Gnome 20 Jun 14 - 02:40 AM
akenaton 20 Jun 14 - 03:07 AM
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Subject: lets develop Scotland
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 09:41 AM

if we built a Ramada hotel next to every loch. there would be jobs for everybody. no more shitty old bed and breakfasts - cheap holidays in the Costa del Whisky.


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Subject: RE: lets develop Scotland
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 09:42 AM

sorry should be in the bs section.


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Subject: RE: lets develop Scotland
From: Musket
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 09:47 AM

The only lake in Scotland already has a decent hotel on its shores.


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Subject: RE: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST,Eric Reasonable
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 09:53 AM

How about sawing Scotland off at Hadrian's Wall, towing it south,
and reattaching to the useless empty gap betwen Wales And Ireland ?

Sorted, one long motorway would get you from Kent right across to Dingle.

Excellent Drinking Man's summer roadtrip !!!


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST,Eric Reasonable
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 10:13 AM

come to think of it..

"On a pub crawl from Dover to Dingle" aint to shoddy an idea for a song title.


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 12:09 PM

we must be talking about a different place. loch linhe, loch ness, loch Lomond - and unless its the same one that pops up between every mountain for about three hundred miles.....

anyway...you know what I mean the bleeding place is virtually empty and in England, we're tripping over each other. I think it would be an attraction, proper hotel rooms where you can have a shower and a shit and a kip. not some room the size of an upright piano - don't pretend you've never encountered it.

one place they offered us a three quarter sized bed for a couple of podgies like me and the wife. and it was top price - more than you would have paid at a hilton.


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Jack Campin
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 01:56 PM

Geologically, a large part of Islay (the bit where the best whisky comes from) is part of Venezuela.

Maybe they'd like to tow it back and we could throw in the rest of Scotland with it? We'd get tropical weather, El Sistema and 4000 miles between us and Nigel Farage.


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 02:36 PM

For a long time, I have held that Canada should link politically with Caribbean nations. Vacations in "the warm" might be cheaper.

To tow it down there would be difficult, because of the size.


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Musket
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 03:33 PM

I always said I wouldn't mind being two bob behind Al. I have no hotel issues in Scotland. The hydro ones aren't too bad. Gleneagles has a decent restaurant. When I am in Aviemore, toss a coin between the Hilton and McDonald.

Can't see what the problem is....

(We rent cottages normally to be honest and spent two weeks on holiday only last month . Had to use cottages as we had the mutt with us.)

Q. Don't you dare move Canada. We ski at least every other year in your fair country. Not 100% certain what other attraction it would have for us?


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 06:35 PM

If you were sawing off at Hadrian's Wall then you'd be ceding a large chunk of England to Scotland. Don't think the good folk of Northumberland would be happy with that.


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST,Eric Reasonable
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 07:27 PM

Northumberland ? dozy buggers, they should have spoke up a bit louder before the Romans started builing the bloody wall.

Ok, fair enough, shove the wall a bit further up north, then start sawing...


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 07:59 PM

Isn't there a problem with lots of it being owned by rich bastards already?


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 17 Jun 14 - 10:57 PM

yeh same thing applies with England, Richard. the musket family move into an area, fifteen of them in a bedroom. pissing out the window and driving all the prices down. then before you know it, they own everything. designer skis for their dog.

I tell you another thing. they have no respect for our culture. they get married and they all groom their wives into having sex.

next thing its tea with Tony Blair, hobnobbing with Queen, telling Ake he's got to get married to a bloke.

you got to watch 'em.


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 01:24 AM

Not true.

No bloke would have him.

Anyway, I blame school teachers in Nottinghamshire. They used to teach you to aspire to flicking Vs at the peasants, getting out of the pit at the earliest opportunity and getting out of the bath for a jimmy.

Hobnobs never took off here in dirty rotten stinking capitalist land. We prefer the raj inspired predilection for tiffin don't 'cha know?


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 02:59 AM

We already have far too many like Richard and Ian here Al and they don't "integrate", they mostly try to dominate.
Usually they have left the south of England, sold their bungalow for a million and bought a nice house on the West Coast for £250,000, leaving them plenty to pay the peasants and buy themselves into the Community Council :0)

The Irony is that these new "Scots" will vote no to independence...to a man. Take all the benefits fought for and won by the Scottish Government....free care for the elderly, free prescriptions, no tuition fees for their children if they have any, yet they are the sector which could defeat the Independence vote.

Never mind, if we win, "We'll sned therr heids lik taps o' thristle" :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Musket
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 03:21 AM

Doing the thick indigenous peasants a favour then...

zzzzz


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 05:01 AM

laugh on the other side of your face when they turn at your designer crofters cottage (gold taps in the dogs Jacuzzi) and say your heid hasn't been snedded, you're in trouble mate!


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Musket
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 05:16 AM

Oh, I don't know Al. History tells us that when they get a bit too uppity, we tend to get the cane out of the cupboard and give them a jolly good thrashing, what?

Can you imagine integrating with Akenaton? It's back to your earlier point I suppose.

As we are looking at suggestions for what to do with Scotland, we could pave it and turn it into a car park for people visiting The Lake District.




How do you know the dog's jacuzzi has gold taps? I'm going to have to have a word with him about who he invites in. I know he has had the Labrador from next door in, and he fancies the poodle he sees when we walk into the village, but I wasn't aware anyone else had sneaked into his bachelor pad?


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 07:48 AM

as rabbi burns said

Och! Wa'll snedd his heid
And auld musket wallaby deid!


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 08:41 AM

Don't think sneddin' 'es heid wid mak much difference tae the bugger Al!!

He seems tae be deid fae the neck up onnyweys.


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Musket
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 08:42 AM

There are no wallabies in Scotland, zoos apart.

Plenty running wild in Derbyshire though.

Och aye, the 'noo! Or some such bollocks.


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Ed T
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 09:27 AM

"Originally estimated to cost $676 million, the 2014 Commonwealth Games are now expected to cost Scotland's largest city more than $1 billion.

That $1-billion figure was the revised estimate of the cost of the games after detailed work on the budget was completed by the organizing committee, known as Glasgow 2014. It was established in 2009. "

A poor start.


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 09:44 AM

$1 billion !!!???

.. how may fried mars bars or bottles of Buckie would that get you ???


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 04:22 PM

Baton came through Kelso this afternoon. Scorching day! Megan Kilpatrick a school pupil who sometimes sings at our club was one of the torch bearers. Here's she is singng Wild Mountainside



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9eWvvOrbgM


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Jun 14 - 09:40 PM

I think it should be left as a third world country. Drives up property values in Cornwall.


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 08:16 AM

My mate Dave worked hard all his life. Started down Agecroft colliery at 15. By self improvement and hard work retired as a network engineer of very high standing with a decent pension. Paid for out of his own pocket by careful management and going short when younger. For nearly 30 years he holidayed in the south west of Scotland, initially because it was all he could afford and later because he grew to love the place. He has put more into the economy of Dumfries and Galloway that he will ever take out and, quite likely, more than many people who were born there ever will. He upped sticks from his ex-council house in Manchester and by putting in most of his pension lump sum and some other savings managed to buy a lovely bungalow overlooking Wigtown Bay which I am pleased to say I visit as often as practicable.

This is the type of person that ake is happy to lump in with the 'new Scots' who take all the benefits while pocketing loads of cash for selling their million pound properties. No surprise really. I have often said before and I am sure I will say it again that stereotyping is a terrible thing to do. Ake does seem to be the master of it.

Cheers

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Musket
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 08:56 AM

Didn't know they were classed as masters. Masturbators maybe.

I too have properties in Scotland and although renting them out, (holiday lets in some areas, students digs on Edinburgh,) my plan is to retire up there when Mrs Musket has had enough too. She was at medical school in Edinburgh, and we have many friends there.

Akenaton is as typical a Scot as Dick van Dyke is a cockney.


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST,Jock Strapped
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 09:45 AM

"I too have properties in Scotland"

Och.. no wonder so many mudcatters can afford to splash out thousands on luthier guitars !!!

While so many of the rest of us have to make do with cheap 2nd hand mass produced Chinese boxes from Cash Converters...


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 10:19 AM

I see them all, they swarm over Loch Fyne and the West Coast.
I even work for some of them....when I'm pushed.

There IS a stereotype Dave. Easily recognised by all the guys in the trade....hypocrites to a man. They use Scotland, then vote for the Union.


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Musket
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 10:39 AM

Isn't this where I point out that your poverty offends me Jock Strapped? Or some such expected champagne comment playing to the crowd?

Akenaton knows how to survive though, I notice. Although any decent tradesman would treat all customers equally and with respect. But there again, equality was never his strong point.

All true and free thinking Scottish people will vote for union. Turkeys don't vote for Christmas and until and unless Salmond says how money, defence and EU trade will take place, ie., what will happen rather than what should happen, there is no reason whatsoever for people to take a risk. Not liking the Prime Minister of today is about as good as it gets and going back isn't in the gift of the scots. Meanwhile, BP have now put in planning permission on that land they bought on the Northumbrian Coast.

Voting for a successful Scotland isn't hypocrisy, it's common sense.


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 01:17 PM

There IS a stereotype Dave.

No there isn't. If you accept that then you must accept that all Irish are thick, all Jews are tight fisted and all blacks are lazy. Stereotyping is a lame excuse for believing that a whole section of society is worse than you. There is no such thing as a typical Englishman, Scotsman or even homosexual. Every person is different and deserves to be judged on their own merits rather than dismissed because they do not belong to the right group.

So, would you sned Dave's heids lik taps o' thristle simply because he is English and owns a house in Scotland?

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 04:09 PM

My sister went to Scotland at eighteen, to St Andrew's Uni. She studied Medicine and has been a doctor in Dundee ever since. She works in a large hospital and is permanently exhausted, but loves her job and gives her all to it. She was widowed at an early age and left with two young babies (both born in Perthshire). These two girls are now in their twenties and have very good jobs. All three obviously pay taxes and are contributing to Scotland in many ways. My sister is a member of her local church and is involved in village life. She will soon be retiring, and wishes only to end her days in her small Scottish village and be buried in the tiny graveyard alongside her late husband. She has occasionally been put down for being English, although it's now over forty years since she arrived up there. Our father was a Scot. There are quite a few 'foreign' doctors in the large Dundee hospital, all doing great things and working their socks off. It would be a real shame if their contributions were disregarded and Independence meant an uncomfortable existence on the receiving end of racist-type attitudes for her and other English-born residents.


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 04:58 PM

Sorry, Eliza. they are "....hypocrites to a man. They use Scotland, then vote for the Union. "

Even if she is a woman! All the English in Scotland have sold their £1,000,000 mansions and are now living off the backs of the decent upstanding Scots.

There IS a stereotype

Says ake...

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:19 PM

Typical lowlife scum. I don't know why you sound so surprised about him Dave. I know you tend to give most people the benefit of the doubt whilst I dismiss them too easily but this specimen doesn't exactly hide his ugly side.

He isn't representative of anything really except the reason why the tabloids are still in business. Base attitudes and lack of humility. Par for the course for bigots.


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:25 PM

I'm not really surprised, Musket. Just eternally optimistic. I am often disappointed but it tends to make life a lot more joyous :-)

Cheers

dtG


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:50 PM

Er....are you missing something?.....I actually live here :0)
I see what is going on, shower of hypocrites.
No houses for local young folks...priced out of the market by people from the South of England.


What's the attraction then? Our history? Our culture? Our Nation?......Or is it our free health care? free prescriptions? "cheap" housing(for you)? No tuition fees?

Pity about the peasants?....isn't it?


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 06:00 PM

I work in a small town near Loch Fyne, where over 35% of the houses are holiday homes.

The young locals can't compete with the English money, they just cant get a mortgage for the amounts required.
Most leave for the cities or stay with their parents while good houses lie empty for all but a couple of months in the year.


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: akenaton
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 06:04 PM

Of course this doesn't apply to ALL English...some come here to work and earn their keep.
The stereotype is the well off retired, wonder why they don't stay in the South.....too many immigrants?    :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 06:18 PM

For a long time, I have held that Canada should link politically with Caribbean nations. Vacations in "the warm" might be cheaper.

Cuba as the 11 province would be perfect. Wouldn't have to change the health care system and French would become the third language.


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 06:19 PM

"Never mind, if we win, "We'll sned therr heids lik taps o' thristle" :0)"

Two of the major benefits of Scottish independence are

1). That we would never again have to admit that Ake was one of "ours"

and

2). That we would feel some sympathy for that eejit Salmond, knowing that he would not benefit from 1).


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 06:30 PM

Ake everyone in Scotland has a vote and everyone's opinion is relevant. An English incomer has as much right to vote No as a home grown Scot has. We could equally take a swipe at women saying they are happy to use free prescriptions yet vote No. You simply can't break things down like that. All people want the best for the country they just disagree on how best to achieve that! Besides seemingly about a third of of English incomers support independence anyway - so it isn't really correct to depict them all as unionists. For Scottish votes to make the difference in a UK general election the election itself needs to be really close - likewise for the English vote to make a difference in the referendum the vote itself would need to be very close anyway!!


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 06:55 PM

we just booked into an apartment in glasgow for the independence day vote and party. can we get registered to vote (vote Aye!) as we will be living there on the day? though we stay in cumbria we have many connections and 3 scots children living there. of course the scots should go for it and it would be an example to those of us in the north and elsewhere that austerity/global capitalism/ tories do not have to rule forever and hopefully encourage us to demand somethig better for ourselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 19 Jun 14 - 07:04 PM

To qualify for a vote someone would need to be resident in Scotland by 2nd Sep at the latest and of course get themselves registered.

There's no saying what it'll be like after the vote. If it is a Yes then I think there will be massive parties and celebrations. If it is No then I think it will be a stranger atmosphere. The No campaigners will be more relieved than anything else and the Yes people will be totally dejected. Can't imagine many street parties etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 01:27 AM

If you are voting on the basis of free prescriptions and tuition fees, you'll be voting to remain being subsidised from Westminster then.

I guarantee these would be the first victims of independence austerity if an independent Scotland wishes to keep its credit rating with IMF. Regardless of whose currency controls it is bound to with no say in the matter.


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 02:40 AM

Of course this doesn't apply to ALL English...some come here to work and earn their keep.
The stereotype is the well off retired


So, anyone who has not come there to work, even if they moved there because they love it and have put plenty into the local economy, would be kicked out by you then ake? Including my mate who is retired and comfortably off because he worked hard all his life and put as much into the Scottish coffers as anyone working in Scotland? You really take the biscuit.

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 03:07 AM

In the "new" Scotland, to make a difference we all need to pull our weight....no room for passengers, no matter how many "properties" they have.

The problem of housing for our young people is on of the first things we need to sort out. Private rents are disgustingly high, and large houses empty for most of the year is an absolute disgrace.
Allan... My son works for "Yes Scotland" and tells me the vote WILL be very close. He also tells me that most of the many English retired in Argyll will definitely vote "NO"....he has knocked on hundreds of doors and works in community care.
Even the Asians and Chinese who own the local fast food shops will be voting "YES"... :0)


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Musket
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 03:56 AM

Even.... Even who? The people who live in Scotland every bit as much as you do and have the same rights as you?

Pathetic.

President Alexander I of Salmon farm. Can't wait...

Have you noticed how he is trying to attract the pink vote? Something for you to ponder on.

Don't forget, if it does lead to a yes majority, The UK will respect it as per the agreement. To come running back later means the rest of us will decide whether or not to have you. To date, the yes campaign seems to be poking fun at politicians on the no camp and claiming Westminster and Brussels will do the exact opposite of what they have said they will do.

Currency union with The UK requires the will of The UK. Currency union with The EU means being a member of The EU. (This is The EU by the way whose alcohol ideas in their public health proposals are not exactly music to the ears of those employed in making and exporting whisky.)

In reality, there are good reasons to vote either way. Throwing scorn on the no voters shows the narrow nationalistic obscenity that rises to the surface from time to time. Not exactly shocked by who the cheer leader is.


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 04:12 AM

In the "new" Scotland, to make a difference we all need to pull our weight....no room for passengers, no matter how many "properties" they have.

How many times do I have to say it. My mate has ONE property. The one he lives in. He is turned 65 and after working all his life, paying taxes and saving for his retirement he now enjoys his life in the place he spent a lot of time and money in. Is he a passenger? Does he need to pull his weight?

Luckily, no-one has to justify themselves to you and, from experience, I know most of the Scots in the area consider him to be a friend and stalwart of the community. It is also fortunate that no-one on here is stereotyping Scotsmen based on your views...

DtG


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Musket
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 04:59 AM

Do passengers include the nine out of ten households in Scotland who receive more in benefits than they pay in tax?

Just wondering...

If being a landlord is an issue, you might want to have a quiet word with Dundee Council.

That nine out of ten is a bit of a generalisation and caused a bit of an uproar when the Scottish conservative leader claimed it. The reality isn't sparkling all the same...

Akenaton's contributors

If it isn't fair to moan about people who rely on the state, (and it most certainly isn't) neither is it nice to moan about anybody else.


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Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Teribus
Date: 20 Jun 14 - 06:37 AM

I can remember stating on this forum that the referendum on Scottish Independence would be mid to late term of the next Parliament ~2015 (IIRC that was in 2007). I was then pulled up on that and was told that the referendum would take place within the term of the sitting Parliament no later than 2010.

That being the case you would have thought that had the SNP been serious about the independence issue they would have had all the answers worked out in detail to all the questions on the issues that are of prime importance to the people of Scotland and the electorate of Scotland by the summer of 2009 at the latest.

I therefore find it astonishing with less than 90 days to go the YES campaign and the SNP in particular cannot give definite statements on any of the main issues - they simply do not have a clue, they rely on groundless assertions and baseless assumptions.

Something like 80% of Scotland's trade is with England and the rest of the United Kingdom - If the vote is YES there will be a massive flight of capital and jobs out of Scotland, and the newly independent Scotland NOT being an EU member state will be at a distinct disadvantage trading with it's largest customer.

The vote I think will be NO, but this idiotic divisive waste of time, resources and money, will leave the nation scarred.


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