BS: lets develop Scotland

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST,Seaham cemetry
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 09:45 AM

On other matters, a few posts ago, Akenaton asked me to apologise TO him.

Whih would be odd, because most people apologise FOR him.

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST,Seaham Cemetry
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 09:42 AM

As I stated above, noted by Teribus, the defence industry is vital in many ways to the economy of Scotland. The first thing an independent Scotland would have to do is call an election. In it, I doubt SNP or any other serious party would repeat the "remove the submarines" ticket.

Salmond has already hinted at negotiating keeping UK defence infrastructure within Scotland. He can do that because he isn't saying an independent Scotland would remove them, he is saying an independent Scotland could remove them. Remember, this referendum isn't about SNP and it's policies, it's about freedom to enact policies they and others can't carry out right now.

He's a politician, if you hadn't noticed.

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 09:34 AM

Hopefully most of the historic association between Scots and brutal warfare will start to diminish with Independence.
In was a symptom of how we were exploited by the Union. Young workless lads? Oh just get them intae the Army, cannon fodder for the Empire.

I think that just about takes the biscuit so far, although I am sure you have a few more gems up your sleeve, ake.

Being cannon fodder was nothing to do with being Scottish. Do you think no-one from Lancashire or Yorkshire or Northumberland was hard done by in times of conflict? Get that chip off your shoulder and eat it with your deep fried pie.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 09:18 AM

Sorry, I should have said, no change to sales between an independent Scotland and the remainder of the UK.
It's all in the link.
I don't think "War Work" is particularly health for a small trading nation to engage in.
Hopefully most of the historic association between Scots and brutal warfare will start to diminish with Independence.
In was a symptom of how we were exploited by the Union. Young workless lads? Oh just get them intae the Army, cannon fodder for the Empire.

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 09:04 AM

I know that you are normally factually correct Mr T, but people selling small houses in the South of England for large sums then coming into the Scottish property market have certainly inflated house prices here and that inflation works its way through to the rental sector.

If your figure of 800.000 is correct, it is only a tiny percentage of the English population and as I have said would make little difference to voting returns.
The voting intentions of the English in Scotland are sure to be a serious factor in the referendum result.
Of course everyone living here has the right to vote, but does it not seem hypocritical to come here, take advantage of the social benefits fought for by the Scottish Government, then vote against their declared policies?
BTW the word "immigrant" was used tongue in cheek, for the benefit of our mutual friend Ian.....as I'm sure you're well aware.

Didn't know YOU were a Scot Mr T.....my goodness, that explains your command of facts and your ability to see through much of the bullshit we have to put up with.

Sorry you wont be voting Yes.
What will you do if Scotland votes FOR independence?

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 08:41 AM

Akenaton:

" the buying price of houses have very much affected the rents that are charged; also the shortage of affordable housing to buy, pushes more people into the rental market....and it is sellers market at the moment."

The rents are levied by the owners of the property and in Scotland they will be predominantly Scottish born and bred.

The prices of houses for sale in Scotland will in all probability be being sold by owners/sellers who are predominantly Scottish born and bred.

"A little statistic to ponder, there are now around 450,000( around 1 in 12) English "immigrants" who have moved to live in Scotland and almost 80% of them are reckoned to be "NO" voters."

As Musket has said there are no English "immigrants" in Scotland and as British citizens registered on electoral rolls in Scotland they are perfectly entitled to vote which ever damn way they please.

Off the top of my head I believe that the number of ex-pat Scots living and working down in England is somewhere in the region of ~800,000.

"Perhaps Independence would encourage most to return home and make a start on building the new Scotland?"

With the levels of Tax Jowly Eck & Co will have to introduce I wouldn't expect that number to be great and I doubt very much if "Shurr Shean" is going to pop over from the Caymans to help you out.

"The dumping of nuclear weapons on our soil, against the wishes of the Scottish people"

Actually Ake more Scots want the bases, the subs, the weapons and the work to remain exactly where it is than want it removed - 51% compared to 39%.

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 08:18 AM

This exchange is absolutely priceless:

Guest: "All I want to know right now is if after a "Yes" vote, if I buy a mail order guitar from a Scottish seller,
will it be like buying from USA and having to pay extortionate import duties, Vat, and admin fees on top ???

Akenaton: "According to Business Scotland, there should be no change to sales within the UK"

The referendum in which you are voting YES is for for Scotland to leave, i.e. put itself voluntarily outside, the UK

Oh by the way here is one Scot who definitely will not vote YES.

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST,Seaham Cemetry
Date: 26 Jun 14 - 06:17 AM

I have just completed a short tour of duty at an airbase in the North of Scotland. I am English.

It amazes me how attitudes alter with circumstance. The small towns and villages around here rely on the only real large employer, the civilian posts here and the infrastructure to support the airbase and RAF Regiment barracks. The future of the airbase could be in jeopardy if a yes vote carries. NATO need and wish for presence up here but not sure of the politics around seeing Scotland as a full partner.

A few miles away from the influence and the farming communities are reading with interest the SNP claims that an independent Scotland within The EU stands for lots of farming subsidies so vote yes for self interest. The SNP appear to have a low opinion of its own electorate, let alone the queue to join The EU, on EU terms.

In Glasgow recently when my wife had a couple of her dogs racing, I was chatting with lots of people over the evening and the vote was the big topic. I didnt see much enthusiasm from there for independence, although a few good jokes were told about those who want it.

The vote will be interesting, and I predict the reasonable turnout for the yes campaign will give the next Westminster government food for thought in extending further devolution. Which for many, with the safeguards of The UK and more local decision making, is a win win.

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Musket
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 03:06 PM

I wasn't aware Business Scotland were in a position to say that. If Scotland is not part of The EU, there may be trade duty with EU members, of which The UK is a member. If they don't accept UK interest rate conditions for using sterling, you may have exchange rates to consider...

All academic hopefully. Not every Scottish person has the low IQ and bitter nationalistic persona of Akenaton. Most are, to coin a Scottish phrase, too canny to fall for promises that can't be backed up.

Mind you, it would be ironic if the margin of the no result was less than the number of people born in England who voted. It means fuck all, but still, adds another entry to Akenaton's list of people to blame for his sad sorry situation.

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 12:48 PM

According to Business Scotland, there should be no change to sales within the UK Answer here

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 12:01 PM

Ok, but there's well over 600 points in that FAQ..

- a bit like asking a religiously inclined mate a quick question about his beliefs
and being told to fuck off and read the Bible.......


All I want to know right now is if after a "Yes" vote, if I buy a mail order guitar from a Scottish seller,
will it be like buying from USA and having to pay extortionate import duties, Vat, and admin fees on top ???

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 11:49 AM

For GUEST

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 11:32 AM

Border control ? smuggling ? etc etc ...???

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 11:24 AM

Cross border buying and selling of goods ? customs taxes + admin fees ?
VAT ?

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 11:12 AM

Passports ? immigration status ? visas ? etc.. ?

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 11:11 AM

My point is that the ENGLISH vote(both homo and hetero), on whether or not we become an independent nation, will possibly make a considerable difference to the result.

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 11:04 AM

I don't think it would make any practical difference GUEST, any Scottish national wishing to live and work in England would be subject to the taxation requirements of that country, as would English living and working in Scotland.

Perhaps Independence would encourage most to return home and make a start on building the new Scotland?

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 11:01 AM

Isn't it wonderful. My friends who we stayed with in Inveraray a few weeks ago made it quite clear they are voting no.

Guess what? They are English!

Guess what? They are gay!

Guess what? They have as much right as Akenaton, as much say as Akenaton and their residence has as much validity as that of Akenaton.

No such thing as an English immigrant. They are UK citizens just like Akenaton, only not so prone to embarrass people in polite company by spewing bigoted shameful bile.

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 10:57 AM

Yes but what practical & bureaucratic differences would a 'Yes" vote make to the status and lives
of Scots living and working in the rest of Britain

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 10:45 AM

GUEST, only a tiny proportion of the population of England are Scottish, and I don't believe their votes on any issue would make much difference.

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 10:37 AM

Seems there's only 3 Scots contributing to this thread and they all favour Independence.

Most of the rest, with a couple of honourable exceptions, love Scotland so much that they don't want it to change....the second class lives of many of our young folk, the despair associated with decades of neglect...the benefit culture in place of a real life.
The theft of our resources to finance that culture.
The dumping of nuclear weapons on our soil, against the wishes of the Scottish people, the foreign wars of aggression that we marched against....Iraq, Libya, and support for "democracy" in the clothes of Islamic fundamentalism all over the Middle East!

Well thank you very much, but take your love and stick it where the sun don't shine, we'll have our country free and if we make mistakes they will be our mistakes. We have no pretensions of being a "world power", we will be a small trading nation, but a proud and free one.

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 10:02 AM

Seaham Cemetery, if we should be concerned about the attitudes of members here, your name would be top of the list.

You are a libellous stalker. You still have a chance to apologise publically for your disgusting and completely untrue allegations, but time is running out.

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 10:02 AM

So how many Scots have fucked off to live and work in England,
and what difference would a 'yes' vote mean to them ?

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 09:57 AM

I think you are wrong Mr T, the buying price of houses have very much affected the rents that are charged; also the shortage of affordable housing to buy, pushes more people into the rental market....and it is sellers market at the moment.

A little statistic to ponder, there are now around 450,000( around 1 in 12) English "immigrants" who have moved to live in Scotland and almost 80% of them are reckoned to be "NO" voters.

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST,Seaham cemetry
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 09:28 AM

Akenaton's attitudes leave much to be concerned over.

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 05:42 AM

Thanks Dave - Didn't expect to see you on here! Confirms what I said all along. Erik - Well put as well. Now, can we put it to bed? It is blatantly obvious that the attitudes in Scotland are not predominately the ones that ake displays.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: kendall
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 05:30 AM

Guid nicht!

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Musket
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 04:04 AM

Wot he said

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 02:00 AM

Reading through the songs lovingly "cut-n-pasted" by the likes of Ake I am grateful that they are lengthy enough and boring enough so as to never be performed - those listening would fall asleep half way through them.

No Kendall, thankfully you do not get a vote.

Eric the Viking is perfectly correct Ake, the price of property is set by the owner and he/she is free to sell it to whoever will meet his/her price. Therefore to blame the price of property on those who buy is complete and utter stupidity.

This whole referendum fiasco was driven by less than 25% of the electorate of Scotland, it has wasted millions and will prove divisive and harmful to Scotland. The vote on the 18th September I think will be NO, I certainly hope so.

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 25 Jun 14 - 01:36 AM

If the weird ones hadn't noticed, we are all British and have shared responsibility for the last few hundred years.

Voting for local decision making at every level may be commendable although not advisable in the circumstances. This crap about misty eyed nationalism and blaming everyone the other side of an arbitrary border for all your woes though doesn't cut it with many people.

Songs and jingoism may get a few irresponsible votes but sober analysis of promises from an idealistic politician who answers questions by saying other politicians will have to change their minds whilst he won't?

I wasn't aware the majority of people voting were thick as pigshit.

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Dave Wynn
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 06:37 PM

I'm Dave The Gnomes mate Dave. I don't much use mudcat any more but this thread intrigued me so I have read it all. Just a few comments. I live off a private pension earned from a british company and I also have a westminster pension earned by 46 years of paying taxes and insurance stamp. I pay taxes to the British government and if Scotland becomes independant I will pay them to the Scottish government. I do not (by dint of work, saving and luck) take anything from the state either British or Scottish.
I wasn't born in Scotland, I chose to live in Scotland not because of an accident of birth but of a love and passion about Scotland and Galloway in particular. I am involved in our local community, pub etc and have never experienced anything like the vitriol I have read on this thread. If Scotland choses independance my pensions will still be paid from the UK because they were earned there. I will however, as I have said, pay my taxes to the Scottish government. Now what part of this do you not like Ake? because your attitude and general unpleasant vituperation are not what I am accustomed to from Gallovidians.

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Eric the Viking
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 04:17 PM

I'll tell you this "Aken not very much". Half the reason the house prices in Scotland are as high as they are and local kids can't afford them is because Scots have pushed the price up in loads of cases to make more money from those they see as rich. (Not that I have too much problem with exploiting the rich) But the problem is that in doing so, they have priced their own kids out of the market for their own greed. When Mrs Viking and I moved to Orkney we found that many Orcadians thought that anyone from the South was rich and an easy target. They sell bits of their land at inflated prices and their own kids or other Orcadian families can nae afford them, nor the houses built on them. The Orcadians loved selling to the rest of the world because they could get a much higher price.We loved every moment of our life on Orkney and they people we met welcomed us.We love living in Scotland. Our kids studied here,Formed their partnerships here, we will die here and not go back. And most likely we will vote for independence, but not so you can stick your stereotypical gesturing fingers at us but because it is our choice to do so.

It often strikes me how selective the Scots are about their history and they forget how much support the English got from the Scottish Nobles. (Not sure what a noble is...another name for a greedy bastard)Plenty of Scots turned on Scots and fought for the English. There's plenty of very rich Scots who own plenty of very rich lands and houses. Try being a peasant and affording to fish the Tay or the Spey. Luckily, we haven't met many people like you.

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 02:02 PM

Certainly Kendall, ah think ye've got the spirit in ye!

This is another from Davie Robertson, A finishing school for "numpties" of ALL nationalities.

SWEETIE WIVES DRAW NEAR.
The sort of things described in "Sweetie wives draw near" are all harmless enough in themselves, but when they are bundled together and served up as the very epitome of Scottish Culture, they give, in my opinion, a seriously misleading impression of what Scotland is all about.

"Ye guardians o the sacred flame
That burns in Granny's Hielan Hame
Upon the altar, in the shrine
Built there for Auld Scots Mither Mine,
Aside the sacred Rowan Tree,
For worshippers o aw things wee;
Ye sweetie wives draw near.

Ye cringe-inspirin concert turns,
Skirlin sopranos murderin Burns;
Ye prancers tae the fiddle an box,
In tartan sashes an white frocks;
An you that sits an taps yer fit,
An may a decorous "Hooch!" emit:
Ye sweetie wives draw near.

Ye champions o the guid Scots tongue
That never speak it, yet hae clung
Bizarrely tae a word or twae –
"As Granny said," is what ye'll say.
Tae write in Lallans ye've the cheek,
But ape the English when ye speak:
Ye sweetie wives draw near.

An listen here noo, each smert alec
That's learnt a word or twae o Gaelic,
But never got much further on
Than "slà inte mhath" or "pò g mo thò n",
Ye'll aye spectacularly fail
Tae be mistaken for a Gael:
Ye sweetie wives draw near.

Enthusiasts for pipes an drums,
An swingin kilts ower manly bums;
Aw you whae think yer day's been made
When crap like Highland Cathedral's played;
An when yer herts ye wish tae roose,
Watch DVDs o auld Tattoos:
Ye sweetie wives draw near.

Pontificators, deidly borin,
On hoo the tartan should be worn
So's tae avoid sartorial blunder;
But, dearie me, I often wonder –
If ye've nae drawers on, when ye're fartin,
Does that no sometimes soil the tartan?
Ye sweetie wives draw near.

Aye, aw ye folk whae spend yer lives
As couthy auld Scots sweetie wives
O every age an either gender,
An castigate each gross offender
Against yer ain impoverished taste –
Believe me, ye're a waste o space!
Ye sweetie wives draw near.

Intellectual, aye, an arty,
But sometimes coorse, an often clarty;
Oor Scotland has a deep rich vein
O creativity aw her ain;
An shairly noo it's time tae bin
The culture o the shortbreid tin!
Ye sweetie wives draw near.

Sae take a think, an lend a hand,
Yer country's culture tae expand.
A culture built o fire an zest,
An deep abidin interest;
A land o passion an delight
Where only pigs roll in the shite!
Ye sweetie wives draw near."
(Words original. Tune mostly original, with a hint of "The back o Benachie

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 02:02 PM

One nun dead!

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: kendall
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 01:53 PM

A bheil àite ann airson daoine a bharrachd?

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: kendall
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 01:41 PM

I'm a yank, but my heart is in the highlands. Do I get to vote?

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 01:40 PM

It's written in Scots FOR the Scots Ian.

The next time you're on holiday in Inneraora, try reading a bit of Donnchadh Bàn, Neil Munroe's "John Splendid", or "The lost Pibroch and Sheiling Stories", before you start handing out opinions on the nature of our country or our people.

As you pass yourself off as some kind of singer, I recommend Dougie Mclean's "Indigenous" CD.......for a bit of further education.

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 01:17 PM

Anither wan!

Scotland's progress towards independence has been a fairly low-key affair. This description of
Independence Day is a prophecy – if not for this time round, maybe next time. The tune of this one is
based on the tune of the ballad "Rosie Anderson".

Independence Day.

Some said that we'd rue the day,
Some said they didnae care.
But we aw thought it wuid be nice
Tae say we had been there.
Sae when pipe bands an brass bands
Were aw lined up tae play,
We watched the Union Flag come doon
On Independence Day.

There were nae bluidstained banners there,
Nor eulogies ower the deid;
A wee lassie stepped up tae the front
An sang a song instead.
An when pipe bands an brass bands
Were aw lined up tae play,
Juist yin auld sodjer shed a tear
On Independence Day.

True enough, a bunch o bampots
Through in Glesgae werenae pleased,
An the papers said a gun or twae
Fae Belfast had been seized.
But when pipe bands an brass bands
Were aw lined up tae play,
Maist folk looked pleased enough tae me
On Independence Day.

A few financial wizards
Up an took a southerly tack,
But I never heard that mony folk
Were shoutin, "Haste ye back!"
An when pipe bands an brass bands
Were aw lined up tae play,
Mere money didnae maitter much
On Independence Day.

An maybe earthly paradise
Will never come tae be,
Nor wads o cash tae make a splash
For the likes o you an me.
But when pipe bands an brass bands
Were aw lined up tae play
That didnae really seem the pint
On Independence Day.......

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Musket
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 01:11 PM

I don't know whether that's poetic licence or whether he just plain forgot to thank his country for propping up the region's economy, social welfare bill and national infrastructure. Something in there about foreign adventures. I'd have kept quiet about that if I were Scottish...

If he had written it in English, any spurious message would get across eh?

Still, the good people of Scotland can thank their country in their prayers when they go to kirk, church, chapel, mosque, synagogue or temple. Scotland isn't quite the country it's misty eyed tartan clans think it is....

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: akenaton
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 12:58 PM

Some thoughts from Scotland's finest writer of Scots sang, the wonderful
Davie Robertson.

Thankyou Britannia.
There are worse things to be than British. But there are also better things to be.

Oh thankyou Britannia,
Sae grateful are we.
Oh thankyou Britannia,
Aye thankful we'll be.
Fae the far Shetland Islands
Tae the Tweed we agree
We must thank you Britannia,
Sae grateful are we.
Oh thankyou Britannia…etc

Fae Buchan's broad acres
Tae the wild western sea,
We thank you Britannia,
Sae grateful are we.
Oh thankyou Britannia…etc

For the Lords an the Commons,
Democracy's key,
We thank you Britannia,
Sae grateful are we.
Oh thankyou Britannia…etc

For Blair an for Thatcher
Particularly,
We thank you Britannia,
Sae grateful are we.
Oh thankyou Britannia…etc

For yer gallant brave girnin
At each Brussels decree,
We thank you Britannia,
Sae grateful are we.
Oh thankyou Britannia…etc

For exploitin oor ile
An extractin it for free,
We thank you Britannia,
Sae grateful are we.
Oh thankyou Britannia…etc

For light-touch regulation
That tae banks bends the knee,
We thank you Britannia,
Sae grateful are we.
Oh thankyou Britannia…etc

For the nuclear warheads
That for freedom can flee,
We thank you Britannia,
Sae grateful are we.
Oh thankyou Britannia…etc

For yer foreign adventures
Whaur heroes can dee,
We thank you Britannia,
Sae grateful are we.
Oh thankyou Britannia…etc

But some o these days

Common sense we may see.
When it's goodbye Britannia,
Sae grateful we'll be.
Sae thankyou Britannia,
But sae scunnert are we,
When it's goodbye Britannia
It's bluidy grateful we'll be!

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Musket
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 05:54 AM

The British just happen to reside in an island that has consistently been a multicultural melting pot eh?

Doesn't seem like a lady to me...

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 03:55 AM

That's the thing about the British, if you aren't one of them, and the right kind of one of them, they make no secret of their dislike of you.

What a silly thing to say. What is 'the right kind'? Offensive to most British people as well. I think you need to either clarify what you mean or think again, LadyJean.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Teribus
Date: 24 Jun 14 - 01:04 AM

"That's the thing about the British, if you aren't one of them, and the right kind of one of them, they make no secret of their dislike of you."

Into sweeping generalisations then LadyJean?

Can't think which is worse your comment or those of the Teacher, but as the remarks made by the Teacher are hearsay reported by you, I would tend to give her the benefit of the doubt.

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: LadyJean
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 10:01 PM

The headmistress of my old prep school was an anglophile, so we had a succession of English women teaching there. One of them told a joke in class about how stupid the Irish were. Several of my classmates had Irish surnames. But she saw no harm in offending them.

When St. Patrick's day came, someboyd found a greeting card that declared the recipient an Honorary Irishman. It wasn't insulting. Quite the opposite. The card was bought for the teacher. But several of my classmates tried to keep it from her. They were afraid she might be offended.

That's the thing about the British, if you aren't one of them, and the right kind of one of them, they make no secret of their dislike of you.

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 06:38 AM

Anyway, I note that Gideon has effectively pointed the end destination of HS2 away from Edinburgh/Glasgow. It's very much in the Tories electoral favour if Scotland goes it's own way, of course, as it'll take half the Labour Party MPs with it.

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Musket
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 05:59 AM

Perhaps the worm likes different types of inward investment eh? He might nominate me for an honour in Salmond's new honours regime, (Alex's birthday honours) for owning properties and propping up the economy but not having the cheek to live there.

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 04:59 AM

just remarking on their hypocrisy in moving here, availing themselves of the benefits fought for by Alex Salmond and his government,

What is there to misinterpret about that statement? My mate, as I have repeatedly stated, worked hard, paid his dues and saved his money to be able to retire to a place he loves and supported for many years. He owes nothing to Salmond or any politician. How is he a hypocrite? Why should he not be able to vote in whatever manner he likes without being subject to judgement from strangers who do not even know him?

Rhetorical questions of course. We all know damn well that you are happy to judge people that you have not even met...

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: Jim McLean
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 03:50 AM

Big Al Whittle, I am a musician but I can't sing!

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 03:15 AM

Trying to blame Alex Salmond for the financial collapse next....that's a trick even the "NO" campaign haven't tried yet!

The collapse was a failure of Capitalism, not Mr Salmond.

Subject: RE: BS: lets develop Scotland
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 03:05 AM

All this bollocks about wanting real political representation, then they go and build a new Parliament building. The layout suggests nothing new in approach eh?

Ask yourselves why the most expensive restaurant in Scotland is situated across the road from where the politicians and senior bureaucrats hang out in Leith.

Also, ask why things have carried on getting worse not better since 99% of decisions have been made in Edinburgh anyway.

Still, he can blow the dust off the folder entitled "Economic Celtic axis with Ireland and Iceland. ". His finest hour.