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Subject: Origins: High Germany / Banks of the Nile From: GUEST,Vin2 Date: 17 Jun 14 - 05:44 PM Just learnt the song High Germany and am intrigued how the story closely resembles Banks of the Nile i.e. the guy being 'routed' to go and fight for King (or queen) and country with a high probability of never returning. So in B.O.N she decides to go with him but he dissuades her as he reckons her body 'is too weak to stand a long campaign' but in H.G it is he who wants her to go but her feet are too tender (oh and she's pregnant) Makes you think the songs might've been written by same person. |
Subject: RE: Origins: High Germany / Banks of the Nile From: Steve Gardham Date: 17 Jun 14 - 05:55 PM These are what we call commonplaces and occur in a number of similar broadside ballads. Check out 'Lisbon', and pieces related to Manchester Angel, Streams of Lovely Nancy etc. on the Bodleian Broadside Ballad website. It's not impossible that they were written by the same hack, but what is more likely is a hack saw how well a particular ballad was selling and decided to write one similar using some of the stock phrases and ideas. |
Subject: RE: Origins: High Germany / Banks of the Nile From: GUEST,Vin2 Date: 19 Jun 14 - 06:51 AM Good point Gardham, cheers ! |
Subject: RE: Origins: High Germany / Banks of the Nile From: Steve Gardham Date: 19 Jun 14 - 09:02 AM One point that stops them being written by the same person would be if HG was over a century older than BOTN which seems very likely. |
Subject: RE: Origins: High Germany / Banks of the Nile From: GUEST Date: 19 Jun 14 - 02:36 PM Great songs tho eh ? Love M.Carthy's version of High Germany from very early album (1965) and the BOTN version I know is from the singing of The Young Tradition. Sandy Denny's version with Fotheringay is tremendous too. |
Subject: RE: Origins: High Germany / Banks of the Nile From: Lighter Date: 19 Jun 14 - 04:07 PM The Dubliners' "High Germany" is hard to beat. As is, in a quieter idiom, MacColl & Seeger's "Banks of the Nile" (where, I believe, everybody else found it). |
Subject: RE: Origins: High Germany / Banks of the Nile From: GUEST Date: 19 Jun 14 - 05:25 PM Ahh yes you're right Lighter, Luke Kelly's rendition is splendid. Not familiar with the MacColl / Seeger version of B.O.N - I shall seek it out |
Subject: RE: Origins: High Germany / Banks of the Nile From: JHW Date: 20 Jun 14 - 05:20 PM Oh no it's June and I forgot to sing Lisbon. (It was on one Whitsun Wednesday, the fourteenth day of May) AND checking the calendar the 14th was a Wednesday... |
Subject: RE: Origins: High Germany / Banks of the Nile From: Snuffy Date: 26 Jun 14 - 09:04 AM But with Easter being late, Whit Sunday was 8th June this year, so Whitsun Wednesday was presumably the 11th of this month |
Subject: RE: Origins: High Germany / Banks of the Nile From: GUEST,sciencegeek Date: 26 Jun 14 - 09:49 AM I fell in love with their version of Banks of the Nile... and every other song on their album... when it was an LP... lol! that and Manchester Angel... two must haves, in my opinion Classic Scots Ballads, MacColl & Peggy Seeger |
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