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Hymn tune Herongate

ian1943 22 Jun 14 - 08:23 AM
GUEST,# 22 Jun 14 - 10:25 AM
WindhoverWeaver 22 Jun 14 - 10:33 AM
GUEST,# 22 Jun 14 - 10:41 AM
Brian Peters 22 Jun 14 - 10:56 AM
GUEST,# 22 Jun 14 - 12:48 PM
WindhoverWeaver 22 Jun 14 - 01:03 PM
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ian1943 23 Jun 14 - 02:49 PM
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Subject: Hymn tune Herongate
From: ian1943
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 08:23 AM

Everytime I sing this hymn, I see that it is a traditional tune and it must be a song because of its languidness, Does anyone know what song and its words?


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Subject: RE: Hymn tune Herongate
From: GUEST,#
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 10:25 AM

Melody available here as midi file.


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Subject: RE: Hymn tune Herongate
From: WindhoverWeaver
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 10:33 AM

It was collected by Ralph Vaughan Williams in 1906 at Herongate, Essex. The original title of the song seems to have been "Come All You Merry Sportsmen" sung by Mr. Bell, but I cannot find the lyrics online. It is catalogued as Roud #5699. Hope this helps.


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Subject: RE: Hymn tune Herongate
From: GUEST,#
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 10:41 AM

http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=120607#2643758

That thread may be of help.


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Subject: RE: Hymn tune Herongate
From: Brian Peters
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 10:56 AM

Sorry to disagree, folks, but 'Herongate' is based on a song called 'In Jessie's City', which RVW collected at Ingrave, just up the road from Herongate (and is listed as such, with a whole bunch of other hymn settings, in Kennedy's 'The Works of Ralph Vaughan Williams). The song is one of the 'Died For Love' / 'Tavern in the Town' family, aka 'In London City' or 'The Butcher Boy' - although here it's a postman boy who is the unfaithful lover.

The Full English: 'In Jessie's City'


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Subject: RE: Hymn tune Herongate
From: GUEST,#
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 12:48 PM

I likely screwed up. Forget my posts. Sorry.


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Subject: RE: Hymn tune Herongate
From: WindhoverWeaver
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 01:03 PM

Brian, I am quite happy to bow to your supperior knowledge here. My post was based on the entry in the online RVW index at C#, where the song I mentioned was collected at herongate (and is the only one so collected).


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Subject: RE: Hymn tune Herongate
From: Brian Peters
Date: 22 Jun 14 - 04:26 PM

WW, you were quite correct in thinking that RVW usually named his hymn tunes after the place of collection. In fact I was confused myself at first (when asked by a classical musician friend to work this stuff out) by the fact that the 'Herongate' tune was collected at Ingrave, while RVW used 'Ingrave' as the title for a different tune set to 'There's a Friend for Little Children'. It was only when I saw on Google Maps how close the villages were that I realised how this might have happened.


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Subject: RE: Hymn tune Herongate
From: ian1943
Date: 23 Jun 14 - 02:49 PM

I am well pleased with the answer from Brian, I have deciphered the handwritten text and it is not a happy tale which suits me and the tune well


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