This is really poor

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 11:44 PM

Let's just call this thread a draw.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 07:59 PM

Well Jeri (are you a mod??), I know not whether you're backing me up or not (never fear, I'm fine on me tod). But yes, that was a pretty inane intervention by "mudelf" there. Nothing to say, eh, mudelf, so best say nothing. Was it you who deleted my post, by the way? And, if so, why? Do bear in mind that, as ever, I'm not "demanding information". It's your gig, not mine. Keep calm and carry on, as my mug says.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 07:53 PM

The evidence is against me? When I painstakingly prepare a post that comprehensively ditches your idiocy, along with that of our resident very troubled moderator (God, why the hell does she bother??), and it gets deleted, whereas all your bile gets left alone, the evidence is no longer there. You calling troll repeatedly does not make it more true every time. Au contraire, it reveals the threadbare nature of your shoulder-chip. The only person around here who thinks that repeating a claim over and over again will make it more true is Sailor Jack, and you're making him look like a bloody paragon of virtue. You know summat? I thought you were OK on the whole, with only a touch of twattishness on occasion. Now I wish I'd listened to Musket all along. You are a thorough and complete twat of the first order. You make real trolls look positively respectable. Nighty night. For now.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 07:42 PM

Then, Snail, start a new thread. I refuse to go hunting for stuff you say I said yonks ago. Even if I said it, which I probably did. And I love your sense of humour, by the way. Moderators defending ME. Bwahahahaha!

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: TheSnail
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 07:34 PM

Alas, Steve, the thread (which was called "Scientific misconceptions") has been closed. Perhaps the moderators are trying to protect you. It stands forever in the archives looking very much as if I so thoroughly demolished your arguments that you ran away whimpering with your tail between your legs. It's still there for you (or anyone else) to look at by following the links I gave above.

Steve Shaw
If you follow me into threads like this one that are entirely unconnected with your beef, then you're stalking.

Previously from Steve Shaw
Janie makes snide remarks about what was a light-hearted exchange with a fellow well known for his little digs (with which I'm perfectly fine, actually - see you soon, Snail!

Be careful what you wish for.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 06:56 PM


1) People might want to back off. That means everyone.
2) IF YOU'RE A MODERATOR WHO WANTS TO JOIN IN THE FIGHT, DO IT WITH YOUR NAME AND NOT INSIDE OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS.

Thanks for reading

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 06:24 PM

The evidence, Steve Shaw, is against you. Your own conduct does not assist you. You are behaving like a troll. Unless and until you decide to stop acting like a troll, and cease so to act, I intend to treat you as one - viz and to wit, to refrain from feeding you. Good night, and calm down dear.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 06:11 PM

Really poor? Yeah too bloody right. Now I've had a perfectly reasonable post deleted that had carefully addressed Richard Bridge's misrepresentations and other stupidities. The moderation here appears to be completely arbitrary and based on whether the mod in question (and, mod in question, you know who you are) likes you or not. Deletions of that nature make a complete nonsense of the thread and bring the place into disrepute. Maybe Richard is SRS's uncle. Go on, mod in question. Support a bloke who impugns someone else's rock-solid honesty, just because you don't care for that someone else. Consider yourself utterly diminished. That's how I see you at any rate.

---

Many would claim the thread is complete nonsense already. --mudelf

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 05:58 PM

Post in the thread in question, Snail. I have given up doing links for Lent. Lent started this morning at the precise moment that Richard had me chasing around for irrelevant posts which he thought proved some silly point he was trying to make. There is a thread that contains the stuff you are whingeing about. If you don't post in that thread, I'm not listening. If you follow me into threads like this one that are entirely unconnected with your beef, then you're stalking. Post in the relevant thread, which will nicely rise to the top for you, or else just shut up.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: GUEST,CL!NT WESTWOOD
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 11:56 AM

cheers Jeri.. that's cool, he never could understand the need for deities .....


see ya...

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 11:51 AM

CL!NT, thank you. I'll pray for him, in an atheist sort of way.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: bobad
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 11:47 AM

I'm on the verge Jeri.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 11:44 AM

Bob, at what point does "the good fight" become pointless, repetitive nastiness? I'm honestly curious about whens a person gets tired of the same old stuff and walks away to find something that's actually fun.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: GUEST,CL!NT WESTWOOD
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 11:43 AM

Jeri, hmmmm... last I heard, the person you're maybe thinking of is rumoured to be in a deep coma
since a bizarre hazardous incident involving an englfing spillage from an overturned 'Thatchers' Cider delivery lorry...???

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 11:42 AM

Basic offences relating to racial hatred. See Part 3 Public Order Act 1986 http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/64

Later bits about religion are inserted into the Public Order Act as Part 3A by the Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006 here http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/1/contents

Then sexual orientation (the bit that puts Akenhateon at risk) was added to part 3A by the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 (see section 74 and Schedule 16) here http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2008/4/contents


Make your own blickies, I CBA

You will note that the material has to be "threatening" to amount to an offence under part 3A whereas the original part 3 offences apply to "threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or [the] display [of] written material".

I would need to think more about the importance of the difference in wording in relation to the differences in nuance between references to Jews and Zionists and Jews who had abandoned their religion.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: bobad
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 11:40 AM

Some laugh, some cry, some fight the good fight, others not so much.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 11:34 AM

You quit the cider, then?
It's a turrible, turrible curse to not want people not to joltingly shift to the usual politics/religion/gay rights subjects. The whole BS side of the forum seems to be a self parody. I'm trying to learn to laugh at threads like this one.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: GUEST,CL!NT WESTWOOD
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 11:11 AM

Hi Jeri,.. right, I'm off for a mug of tea and a strum on me guitar.

Dunno if it's the hot weather but I'm starting to feel maybe my own latent 'inner mod tendencies'
may be trying to break out....???

..gotta fight the urge to keep folks on topic and make them leave their chairs tidily under the desk
before they leave to go home...


oh.. these damned inner demons....

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: TheSnail
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 11:08 AM

Sorry if I'm not taking you very seriously Steve but you do seem to have descended into self-parody.
On this thread, you referred to our "light-hearted exchange".
On this thread, I pointed out that in our last exchange you had, in part, been grossly offensive and, in part, totally incomprehensible.

Stick a post in the relevant thread, why don't you.

I'm still waiting for your responses to a couple of posts of mine on that thread. They can be found here -

thread.cfm?threadid=154775&messages=198#3638007

thread.cfm?threadid=154775&messages=198#3638073

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: bobad
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 11:06 AM

Around and around he goes as he slithers away dodging left and right leaving his trail of slime behind.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Musket
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 11:03 AM

What has Israeli policy to do with semitism or anti semitism?

I for one will happily denounce the Israeli government, but I fail to see the link you purposely make in order to try to make a case for the behaviour of a country.

Clunt. He followed me in, and if I stuff his head down the bowl and flush it, that's my business. 12 pints of Armitages' best usually clears the head.

Though I suspect Bobad will have enough of a hangover after he and his mate Beardedbruce have finished celebrating the deaths of hundreds of innocent people by a rogue nation.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 11:01 AM

It seems it's a generic thread for bitching, so of course, all the trolls and troll fuckers are going to post according to their usual scripts.

Maybe we should close it. (On-topic sarcasm.)

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: GUEST,CL!NT WESTWOOD
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 10:53 AM

bobad, unless anyone is rash enough to compare mudcat mods policy to that of the Nazis?

Then I humbly suggest you have wandered into the wrong room.

...really, "Small hope for Israel/Palestine" is further down the corridor between the Gents toilet and the pool table room......

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: bobad
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 10:46 AM

Are you denying that no one here has ever drawn comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis?

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 10:45 AM

Musket - I quite like that sort of dancing... :-)

Steve - Maybe it is something to do with being brought up in a Manchester suburb in the 1950's? ;-) I thought it was just me had these problems but I can see you are also suffering from what I have termed different language syndrome. I can see exactly what you are saying but, having been spoofed myself, I can see what some others are on about too. Unfortunately my befuddled little brain usually gives up a this point. It's not like it matters. It is mainly a win-win. Those who want to win the argument believe they have and I, like you I guess, really could not give a shit.

Cheers

Dave

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: GUEST,CL!NT WESTWOOD
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 10:44 AM

Lads.... Lads... just a reminder ... this is the 'mods bashing' thread.

"Small hope for Israel/Palestine" is further down the corridor between the Gents toilet and the pool table room......

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Musket
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 10:40 AM

Gonna name one? Any?

I have been reading most of your racist diatribe against the Palestinians so I am sure if I saw any, I would notice it.

Whether I or anybody else would feel the need to report it is up to those who feel strongly about it.

Show me some?

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: bobad
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 10:38 AM

"UK Law does not allow for propagating anti semitic hatred."

So are you going to report those here who have violated that law like you reported Ake?

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: bobad
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 10:36 AM

"UK Law does not allow for propagating anti semitic hatred."

So are going to report those here who have violated that law like you reported Ake?

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Musket
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 10:27 AM

UK Law does not allow for propagating anti semitic hatred.

Do you want it through the medium of fucking dance or what?

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: bobad
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 10:07 AM

Still dodging.....it's ok, I understand.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Musket
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 10:01 AM

Which question was that?

Anti semitism is illegal in terms of publishing or otherwise influencing opinion without evidence. It comes under protection given to established religions.

Is that better? or do you want it easy read? Mudcat doesn't have the learning disabilities plug in I'm afraid so pictorial isn't available. If you go to BBC News and look at video footage of Israelis bombing civilians, that is pictorial enough though.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 09:59 AM

Snail, take it to thread it comes out of if you want a scrap. I have too much to do to be scrabbling round finding stuff from days of yore. That's homework I can do without. I've spent yonks already today looking up stuff from Richard Bridge that turned out to be irrelevant bollox from the past. I forget stuff in a heartbeat. Stick a post in the relevant thread, why don't you. Not here. Fer chrissake, not here. If you dichotomise, I may well lobotomise.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 09:53 AM

When I say I don't appreciate veiled threats I know exactly what I mean. You implied that I was not qualified to comment as my family had yet to be threatened and that I should wait until they have been. I have no idea how trolls pick names any more than I understand how anyone else picks names. I never indulge in online subterfuge and don't investigate how I could undertake it. In my view, that leaves me in an eminently more sensible place than a few other folks around here. In fact, I didn't even know about the bloody troll at all until yesterday, and we do appear to be talking about not-so-recent history. If trying as muscularly as possible to prevent you and SRS from misrepresenting what I say is trolling, well that isn't my idea of trolling. I think you're acting like a bloody twit who can't put a coherent case together, as if you need to anyway. If calling you that makes me a troll, then your misrepresentations make you a quadruple troll. Now I'm getting bloody fed up of the tiresome both of you so I may just do my bored-with-this-silly-thread bit. Or I may not. God knows.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: bobad
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 09:29 AM

I understand why you are afraid to answer my question Musket.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 09:15 AM

I have merely dipped in a couple of places into this paper on the definition to which bobad refers.

The bits I have seen are gibberish, if one is looking for an actual definition.

http://kantorcenter.tau.ac.il/sites/default/files/proceeding-all_3.pdf

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Musket
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 08:57 AM

You reckon UN are anti semitic so what the fuck you think about the EUMC Clapton alone knows...

The regulators of such matters in The UK are CEHR, (Commission for Equality and Human Rights.) I helped them formulate an audit tool for monitoring public sector equality schedules. Fascinating subject when you strip away the ethnic skirt persona and look at how people and labels get pinned to each other.

A bit like your confusion between Israel and Judaism. Or Palestine and Hammas.

Poo Bad. Your convoluted attempts at defending the indefensible create an image of a one legged bloke at an arse kicking contest, they really do.

Still, you can make me smile, and that can't be that bad. Although smiling at dismal attitudes isn't really the best approach. I should ignore you really but you get better each time you try to attack people.

You can't even stand up to Jim and that old bugger could start an argument in an empty room.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: bobad
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 08:35 AM

"I assume you are calling criticism of the Israeli government "anti Semitic?"

I assume you are trying to dodge my question by ignoring what I did ask and replacing it with what you would like to think. So I will repeat; "Does UK law allow for propagating antisemitic hatred as defined by the European Union Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia (EUMC)?"

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: TheSnail
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 08:18 AM

Steve Shaw
a light-hearted exchange with a fellow well known for his little digs (with which I'm perfectly fine, actually - see you soon, Snail!

Well, actually, you said "the likes of you and Adolf" called me a fascist and implied I was a racist. You included me in the same category as pete with the stars in his eyes and (I hesitate to use the word in polite company) called me a neo-Darwinist. I think your idea of light-hearted might not be quite the same as others.

(and you challenged my use of erstwhile!)

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 08:02 AM

Steve, you said "I don't appreciate veiled threats". It seems you fail to understand what you actually said.

You don't even seem to understand how the troll picked the false names for his constructs.

You are behaving like a troll.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 06:59 AM

I have wondered that I didn't hear back.

And you not going to now. The message, which took me a long time to prepare, got lost in the ether. The moment has passed. Suffice to say that I did not find your somewhat lengthy PM very enlightening. Which is hardly surprising with a bloke who didn't have the slightest inkling about any of it. Even some of the assumed names of the alleged culprit meant nothing to me. Cue Richard to cast doubt on that, of course. One person you accused of being involved has a track record here of opposing fascism and antisemitism at every turn, yet they appear to be on your list of troll names. I don't get that, but please don't bother explaining. I don't want to be accused of demanding stuff. This is your gig, not mine.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 06:48 AM

What you say on the point may or may not be true, but there is reason to doubt.

What I say on the point is true. There is no reason whatsoever to doubt. Either accept that or accept that you are impugning my honesty.

I have told you a little of this by PM and your response was to make the paranoid foolish and false claim that I was threatening your family!

I did not claim that you were "threatening my family". Here is the relevant exchange between us. It's important to show any even remotely interested persons here how you're trying to misrepresent me.

YOU: I suggest you wait until you get emailed pictures of your daughter from a "political" group known to be violent thugs, before shooting your mouth off with greater follies.

ME: Haven't a clue what you're on about. Sounds all very dark. Read my post on the thread. Perhaps you'd care to respond there instead of here. I don't appreciate veiled threats, as I'm basically one of life's innocents and shall remain so.

Cheers

Steve

If anyone interprets that as "Richard Bridge threatening Steve's family", do apprise me. Further, my input to the Session thread was a single, jokey one-liner. Hardly input of substance. It's there, folks, to check. How you clutch at straws, Richard. Similarly, my input into the 2009 thread you link to was completely one-dimensional. It's the way I respond to any thread (if I happen to click on it at all) that is infested by fascists. And I soon lose interest. That's my track record. There is little or no substantial interaction between me and the other posters in that thread. I received no threats, nor any PMs as I recall. If there was dark stuff going on among other posters, then it didn't involve me and I was blissfully unaware of it. As always, I know how to keep myself at arm's length here (an annoying trait in the eyes of some but a good way of protecting oneself, I find). So far in this thread, our resident idiot has implied that I might be "the troll", you have persistently tried to cast doubt on my honesty, Janie makes snide remarks about what was a light-hearted exchange with a fellow well known for his little digs (with which I'm perfectly fine, actually - see you soon, Snail! Oops, sorry, Janie, for trying again to add levity to the heavy mix...), and a moderator unjustly accuses me of "demanding information".      


Yet you can say this to me,, eh? --- You discredit yourself.

Funny man!

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 04:14 AM

Oh bum. There I go agreeing with Mither again!

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Musket
Date: 15 Jul 14 - 03:12 AM

Bobad wonders if there is a law against anti semitism. Quite possibly. There is a law against publishing hatred based on gender, race, creed and sexual orientation to my knowledge.

There is no law however against pointing out criminal carnage by the Israeli military aided and abetted, contrary to UN obligations by the Israeli government.

I assume you are calling criticism of the Israeli government "anti Semitic?" One of the most repugnant quotes I read this week was by an Israeli minister saying the West can't criticise their bombing of civilians because it would be an insult to European Jews and the holocaust.

You aren't his scriptwriter perchance?

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Janie
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 11:21 PM

Steve's I can't remember. Was it in this thread? Can't you see what I'm having to deal with here? :-)



Well done, Steve. Crowning jewel of your successively revealing posts here on this thread in particular. That last little smirk you ended the above on your last post sums it up quite well! I tip my hat to you.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 11:20 PM

Oh, and here you are again on a thread on a related topic at "the Session".

http://thesession.org/discussions/22571

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 11:16 PM

PS - Steve - you are party to this thread discussing related matters in 2009. It seems your memory is rather selective.

thread.cfm?threadid=121408#2651764

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 11:13 PM

Steve Shaw - you have said that you knew nothing of the troll problem. If you were, as you say that you were, an active poster here at the time, then that is most improbable, given, for example, the thread linked to started by Max at the time and the considerable prevalence of the issue at the time. What you say on the point may or may not be true, but there is reason to doubt.

One factor that weighs is your wish to assert that the attacks of the time could easily be ignored. That is not so. It was and remains demonstrably not so. For example I and others received credible threats to family. Another 'catter lost gigs because of lies from the troll. I was questioned by a club as a prelude to a booking for a gig as to whether certain lies spread by the troll were true.

I have told you a little of this by PM and your response was to make the paranoid foolish and false claim that I was threatening your family! Regrettably you are choosing to deny the facts in defence of an unjustifiable assertion and argument.

You discredit yourself.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Jeri
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 10:22 PM

I don't know what you mean by "block". There is no way to block PMs. If you can still post as a member, you can send PMs.

Subject: RE: This is really poor
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 08:45 PM

I didn't block anything. I have wondered that I didn't hear back.