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BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?

Mrrzy 14 Feb 21 - 04:07 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Feb 21 - 04:07 PM

It is back in Guinea, too.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Thompson
Date: 10 Feb 21 - 08:02 AM

Dr Mike Ryan, Head of Emergencies in the WHO, is straight as a die, a truly decent person.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Feb 21 - 05:31 PM

The news said that the woman who died is the wife of an Ebola survivor from the last outbreak, that there may be something about his old case that ties into this, but they need to examine the DNA of the strain.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: mg
Date: 08 Feb 21 - 04:31 PM

oh no. Dr. Mike Ryan was warning of a situation worse than COVID (which fortunately we could still reduce with early treatment but for political and financial corruption). Wonder if he was dropping hints..he is an Ebola expert I think. I love listening to him..looks like an Irish soccer coach...and I truly hope he is not corrupted or threatened.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Feb 21 - 03:43 PM

It's bAAAaaack... In northern Congo.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Aug 19 - 11:17 AM

The current vaccine is looking good!


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 15 Oct 15 - 03:59 PM

More on that. Not a good thing. Poor woman.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 14 Oct 15 - 07:14 PM

Our thoughts are all with Pauline McCafferkey and sincerely hope that she will pull through.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 09 Oct 15 - 02:30 PM

A promising vaccine is being trialled now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 09 Oct 15 - 10:10 AM

UK Nurse re-admitted

Worrying!


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 Oct 15 - 08:41 PM

And in new news...


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 09 May 15 - 11:03 AM

It was announced today that Liberia is totally free of Ebola


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 08 May 15 - 05:55 PM

OK, now *this* is weird: ebola lives on in the eyeballs of the cured?


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Nov 14 - 12:06 PM

Interesting news item on trying to keep it out of Ivory Coast

Blicky


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,#
Date: 15 Nov 14 - 10:39 AM

Given the panic that was induced by media and both CDC and WHO, their 'predictions' about a million or more people exposed to this Ebola outbreak by January seem a little far fetched at this point.

Brings to mind a cartoon that read "We've just determined that the best way to empty a crowded room is for people to panic and crawl over others on their way to the exits."


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 14 Nov 14 - 02:45 PM

The case 2, no 4 cases in Mali are not all related to the little boy, though at least one cared for someone they thought had kidney failure and whose funeral was widely attended, which means many many people fondled a virus bomb without knowing it. New case counts (over 5K dead for under 15K infected, though, makes way better odds, still, than earlier outbreaks):

Total Cases: 14098

Laboratory-Confirmed Cases: 8715

Total Deaths: 5160


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Nov 14 - 01:46 PM

In Liberia, yes. Increasing, however, in Sierra Leone. Decreasing also in Guinea, where this particular outbreak started.

The genetics are very interesting - from this article in Science, after which 5 of the authors died of ebola, it seems that the kid that got it from an animal in Guinea gave it to everybody who's given it to everybody else. There have been no new inputs from non-human animals into the human population. Furthermore, apparently a village's worth of people from Sierra Leone went to a funeral for a faith healer in Guinea who'd been treating ebola patients, and 12 of the women came back with 2 strains of the virus and every single case in Sierra Leone traces back to that one funeral.
Meanwhile apparently nobody in Mali has broken out with ebola since that poor child went home, but she died 10/24 so it hasn't been 3 weeks yet.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,#
Date: 05 Nov 14 - 12:54 PM

"U.S. health authorities have expressed hope that a new vaccine will bring an end to the outbreak that has killed about 5,000 people and infected close to 14,000."

The article (Voice of America) goes on to say that the number of new cases is declining.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Nov 14 - 02:16 PM

New case counts as of Halloween:
13540 total, 7702 lab-confirmed, 4941 deaths. West Africa alone in these numbers, everybody else is negligeable.

An inhalable vaccine is showing promise. Ethics of testing during an epidemic remain, but hey, there is the epidemic and there is the possible vaccine, what are you going to do?


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,#
Date: 31 Oct 14 - 02:30 PM

EBOV was formerly referred to as Ebola Zaire.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 31 Oct 14 - 01:17 PM

They've said the outbreak in the Congo was ebola Zaire, not the same strain as is beaking out in West Africa, but I can't find what strain it IS that is in W. Africa, does anybody know?


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 Oct 14 - 12:15 PM

Let's hope this keeps working

http://www.npr.org/blogs/goatsandsoda/2014/10/29/359878582/no-ebola-sil-vous-plait-were-french-the-ivory-coast-mindset

blicky


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 30 Oct 14 - 10:34 AM

Updated case counts: Total=13,676 cases, 7606 confirmed by lab, 4910 dead in the three most affected countries. Outside cases are still negligeable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Oct 14 - 10:58 PM

Yes, and victims would likely want to try everything too, and therein lies a huge ethical pitfall possibility.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 29 Oct 14 - 12:05 PM

I am seriously proposing trying various things in an attempt to save more people and prevent the spread of an epidemic, which will ruin the economies of the said countries and have an economic devastation that could be very widespread, even without massive disease deaths. I am for, with no time to waste, throwing the kitchen sink at it. How are you going to know if it works or not without trying? They do not have a good chance now unless they are in a good treatment center. For the poor souls on the floor of what looks like a pig pen, lying in urine and feces, yes, I would experiment, based on known health improvements with vitamin c, and d I would add. UV light has been used for a very long time..it is in sunshine..i also would recommend getting them out into sunshine if possible. I do not know anything about ozone therapy but there are engineers etc. on the internet trying to build O2 machines that might help. Might help. Is there time for good experimentation? No. Is there time for a worked to death and scared to death nurse to even take notes? No. Is there a reason to call it murder when people are trying to save lives? No. And lives have been saved with very simple and cheap means..washing hands for infection..limes for scurvy. if there is almost certainty that some in the worst situations will die at a rate of over 50%..heading towards 90% sometimes in some places..I personally would try anything and everything.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 29 Oct 14 - 10:21 AM

mg, you are seriously proposing experimenting on human beings with the sort of speculative bullshit Mercola promotes?

That's simply advocating mass murder. It's up there with the South African AIDS-denial cults.

A lot of useless measures were tried against the flu pandemic. None of them did a damn thing to stop it being the most lethal epidemic of all time. Nobody even knew what cytokines were, so of course they couldn't treat it rationally.

The Ebola virus is in every cell in an infected person's body. Yes you could kill it with UV, but you'd have to burn the patient to death in the process.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Oct 14 - 02:29 PM

Interesting. And today is Salk's 100th birthday, yay!


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 28 Oct 14 - 12:29 PM

look at dr. mercola's site from a few days ago...he quotes a doctor who has a..not cure..not sure proper word..believes he can accomplish a lot with high dose vitamin c (I have also read D), ozone therapy (involving hydrogen peroxide..I did not read the whole article as my connection stopped)...and ultraviolet light..I believe to blood. He believes the entire process would cost around $10..it sounds like it would involve IV...ozone hurts lungs but there are ways to bypass it he says. Some of these therapies were used against Spanish Flu in 1900s...given a bit of time, there will be ..not cures..but greater survival, probably using cheap and handy items....the challenge is to hold the expansion of the disease steady while knocking off the disease itself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Lighter
Date: 27 Oct 14 - 05:33 PM

I am more than annoyed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 Oct 14 - 03:16 PM

Any other Americans annoyed by ebola turning into an election issue? Or should it rightly be one?


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Oct 14 - 06:31 PM

Obama is hardly the one who started calling project managers "czars" - the energy czar is the first one I remember, and that was in the 70's.

I would still rather have someone with medical knowledge managing this particular project.

Case count is over 10K in the 3 countries I first heard called the hot zone on the radio today. Still aprox 50% survivable, much more so with decent medical care.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Oct 14 - 11:49 AM

"I've known Ron Klain for over 20 years. He is smart, aggressive and levelheaded; exactly the qualities we need in a czar to steer our response to Ebola. He is an excellent choice," said Sen. Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., in a statement.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/10/17/ron-klain-bio-resume-recount-stimulus-ebola-czar/17430563/


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: mg
Date: 25 Oct 14 - 03:18 PM

I hope there are taxis such as flatbed.trucks with separate cabs. I thinkthere is no way to disinfect an old car.safely.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: pdq
Date: 25 Oct 14 - 02:52 PM

Every position that Obama has called "czar" is illegitimate because they are found nowhere in the Constitution.

The guy's name is Klain, not Klein, and he was chief-of-staff, at various times, for Joe Biden, Al Gore and Janet Reno.

He organized the post-election protest in Florida 2000.

He is a lawyer, not a doctor, and was given the job because he will get at least $170K per year, perhaps $300K or more.

Obama does not feel the need to get confirmation or even disclose how much the US taxpayers will be giving this hack.

Obama has called emergency meetings about ebola and Klain doesn't even show up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Oct 14 - 02:28 PM

Article in NY Times, possibility of transmission in sneezes.

"Ask Well, Ebola on Airplanes, Ebola in Sneezes." Dr. Donald G. McNeil Jr. Oct. 13, 2014.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Oct 14 - 02:14 PM

Dr. Spencer's girlfriend and two friends have been quarantined. Other friends are being sought.
He works at Presbyterian-Columbia University Medical Center, but has not reported to the hospital or seen any patients since his return.

The bowling alley has been closed.
CDC says dry surfaces can retain viable Ebola for several hours. The CDC sent a response team to Dr. Spencer's apartment building and his apartment cordoned off.

Ron Klein is Obama's "Ebola czar."


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Bettynh
Date: 25 Oct 14 - 01:14 PM

A photo essay from Monrovia, Aug-Sept., 2014


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Oct 14 - 11:26 PM

And the little girl in Mali has died after traveling by bushtaxi while bleeding out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 24 Oct 14 - 04:15 PM

75% survived with I presume good care in one of the treatment places. No doubt that good medical care, hydration etc. works..strengthening the immune system should work, being in good shape to start with helps. keep it from spreading and then give everyone the best care possible. there is so much we could have sent..not sure ports are open now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Oct 14 - 02:53 PM

Oh well. At least my bolding and italicizing worked... until the end. That last para shouldn't be bold.

At any rate, in the 3 main countries the survivability appears to be 51%; the numbers elsewhere are too small to be reliable but appear superb so far.

It's kind of neat (in the tidy sense) that there are 3 majorly affected nations, one an ex-French colony, one and ex-British colony, and one an ex-American settlement. If each of those rich western nations takes the forefront in helping the particular nation they originally helped found/imposed on the natives of the original local ethnic groups, it's a nice division of labor. At least they aren't all French; we (the US) really wouldn't care.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Oct 14 - 02:48 PM

New case counts, updated 10/22 but I added the Mali case which wasn't on the list. I hope these stay in columns...

Country          Cases          LabCases Deaths Dead%        Survivability
Guinea          1,540          1,289          904         59%        41%
Liberia          4,665          965          2,705         58%        42%
Sierra Leone          3,706          3,223          1,259         34%        66%
Senegal          1          1          -           0%        100%
Nigeria          20          19          8         40%        60%
Mali                  1          1          -           0%        100%
Total Africa          9,933          5,498          4,876         49%        51%
Spain                  1          1          -           0%        100%
United States          3          3          1         33%        67%
Total Else   4          4          1         25%        75%
Total World          9,937          5,502          4,877         49%        51%
Average death rate/survivability                28%        72%

Amazingly low death rate. There must be an absolutely tremendous advantage to getting IV fluids and decent medical care for the symptoms, allowing people's own immune systems to fight it off. Great news there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 24 Oct 14 - 02:08 PM

well, New York City now is. And surely a doctor coming from treating ebola patients, noble as he or she is, knows to lie low for a while.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 24 Oct 14 - 12:34 PM

a mathematical model that presupposes that no help is in place or coming fast to Monrovia and there is no response at all within the Liberian community itself is worse than useless

Of course it's useful. It shows what the consequences of inaction would be.

My respect for pronouncements from Yale University has dropped considerably.

Patronizing crap.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Oct 14 - 12:33 PM

I am also getting the feeling that things are slowing or turning or something. Hope we're right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: mg
Date: 24 Oct 14 - 11:45 AM

And shame on us for saying oh that is their culture we can not possibly get them to change. Lives were lost because of that. They can and did change, at great cultural cost of course, but hopefully the tide is turning now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Bettynh
Date: 24 Oct 14 - 08:17 AM

Jack, a mathematical model that presupposes that no help is in place or coming fast to Monrovia and there is no response at all within the Liberian community itself is worse than useless. My respect for pronouncements from Yale University has dropped considerably.

From what I can see, the airport has been repaired. US troops have been building treatment centers and developing mobile labs. About 300 healthcare workers from Cuba have arrived. Both military and civilian training for healthcare workers is progressing rapidly. A full service hospital to treat healthcare workers who become infected will be finished within a month. The behavior of the people of Monrovia has changed to recognize diseased persons and isolate their contacts.

The response was delayed, that's true. But there IS a response and hopefully it will make a huge difference soon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Jack Campin
Date: 24 Oct 14 - 06:04 AM

This study from Yale and Liberia looks pretty bleak:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/10/141023193539.htm

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-10/yu-wsi102214.php


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 01:41 PM

A treatment would be a great thing too, but a vaccine, from the word cow because that is how they were invented (cowpox), fun fact, would be invaluable.
Not that big pharma won't value it anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,#
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 12:10 AM

http://www.ctvnews.ca/health/testing-of-canadian-ebola-vaccine-moving-as-fast-as-possible-newlink-ceo-1.2065137

The Canadian effort is a vaccine!


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Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 08:31 PM

I must have misunderstood, I really thought they were talking about a vaccine, not a treatment.


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