BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: mg
Date: 21 Aug 14 - 12:36 PM

I suspect they lack almost everything in some dire places. If there were sufficient coverings, why were mattresses soaked with blood? I know they prefer money but we have huge amounts of useful things that could be transported...maybe not by truck. Maybe part of the way by donkey or by porters. And whatever is languishing in port cities should be distributed to poor people in port cities if it can't be taken further. I am sure they would find ways to keep it going further and further inland.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Charmion
Date: 21 Aug 14 - 12:24 PM

I don't think West Africa lacks bed linen or plastic sheeting, mg. The entire region is, however, pitifully short of sound infrastructure (e.g., roads for transport trucks to roll on) and competent, credible public authorities with the influence and resources rquired to do what's needful.

Sending stuff (that isn't requested drugs and other medical supplies) to the epidemic zone just results in stacks of goods lying around in port cities. The Red Cross usually asks for money -- lots of it -- so the people on the ground can buy from local sources.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: mg
Date: 20 Aug 14 - 03:55 PM

if the 1383 is counted in 2240 i would call it .54 although there may be other ways of computing...

there was some awful raid where people stole blood-stained mattresses from some clinic and other supplies and they are afraid this could have very bad consequences. One thing we surely could do is give them plastic mattress covers or even big garbage bags as well as all our old sheets etc. cluttering up our linen closets. One thing we can not do as Americans any more (american being very inclusive word) is get stuff from point a to point b. surely there are ways.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Aug 14 - 01:06 PM

Yesterday's numbers:

·         Suspected and Confirmed Case Count:         2240
·         Suspected Case Deaths:         1229
·         Laboratory Confirmed Cases:        1383


So, is that a.54 death rate, a .62 death rate, or a .89 death rate?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Aug 14 - 01:15 PM

There's a song about it finally!

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Aug 14 - 10:59 AM

Nigeria has sent it to the United Arab Emirates...

Also, the death rate for this outbreak is really, really low, for Ebola. Even with the new numbers it's still under .6 - almost a coin flip.

Wonder what human experimental trials in the middle of an epidemic will do for medical ethics... which would be worse, waiting till it's known to be safe, or trying to save all those folks without knowing side- or after-effects? Is this how the strain mutates to become airborne?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 12:48 PM

Thanks must be given to the drug companies who set up production facilities and rush the latest approved vaccines and medicines to market.
Their cooperation with and support of medical research is needed; it should be encouraged.

They make a profit, but that is the system the world over and is not likely to change.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Greg F.
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 09:51 AM

Its seems that Greg took my sarcasm literally and brought away the opposite message

Not at all - just commenting on some of the OTHER greatest hits of Bachman, Palin Overdrive.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Aug 14 - 12:09 AM

So should we just give up all of our rights now, so government can protect us from ebola? Should SWAT teams kill those who refuse to take the tobacco company vaccines? Can we give Obama a Nobel Prize for Medicine now that he's decided to fight the spread of ebola by opening the US/Mexican border to contagious people? Should we canonize him?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 08:38 PM

Janie, David Q. also said verbatim on npr that he thinks the cat is already out of the bag.

It is the NIH that deserves virtually all the credit for medical breakthroughs from MD to Malaria. We know some of the people involved in the malarial cures.

Capitalism is late to the party, steals someone's date, takes their money and brags about their conquest.

The only breakthroughs the March of Dimes created came from the NIH but they never tell the public that truth.



Dear Mr. Richard Bridge,
Were you possibly a proof reader for the New York Times?
If so, did they welcome your strict standards or sigh in exasperation? (smile)

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 07:19 PM

Its seems that Greg took my sarcasm literally and brought away the opposite message but such is the internet.

There are a few inaccuracies regarding Ebola carriers. Carriers are some primates, humans and bats. What ever feeds of infected humans is not automatically going to spread the contagion forward.


There are always holocaust deniers of every stripe. I am not a journalism however I will do my level headed best to speak of the common sense issues;

What to do:

Preparations similar to hurricane preparedness will do no harm.

The limited outbreaks that may happen in the US will be isolated and controlled ten times better than a poor country. At worst it could decimate a population instead of halve it.

More dangerous than limited outbreaks are the unintended consequences that arise from personnel that either can not do there work or intentionally quit. Once an absentee rate of 25% is reached many systems and institutions begin to fail. Transportation, nuclear facilities, police, truckers, grocery and utilities are but a few examples of the vulnerabilities in our society that we rely upon to run smoothly. More lives can be lost to these institutions failing than to infection alone.

'Unintended consequences' is what media must limit while still providing awareness and helpful direction.

Not since 1914 has a pandemic of magnitude hit the world. Please do not argue the merits of AIDS being a pandemic, it is, however it does not kill in 18 days.

I can not forgive the inhuman rants of a Coulter or Ingram however a more subtle message that can be gleaned is that Hollywood movies Contagion and Outbreak are not an accurate representation of your experience of a pandemic in the United States.


When I was born this world supported nearly 3 billion People. Today we have over 7 billion people. It is not unreasonable to foresee populations return to the good old days. Once India and China must reckon with Ebola it is possible a level of preparedness will result in losses of 1 in 10 which is the definition of "decimated".

That concludes my common sense remarks.







Now for full goose bonker remarks:

I wonder if our collective fascination with the zombie apocalypse phenomenon was but a foreshadowing of our future.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Janie
Date: 07 Aug 14 - 09:25 PM

Thanks Greg. I wasn't patient enough to get clear about that on my own dime.

Not suggesting that Ebola is the same as bubonic plaque. What they do have in common, as is the case with other diseases, is they are zoonotic. The published interview I linked to came about in response to this terrible outbreak of Ebola, but looked at a broader picture also. For me, it provided both context and additional perspective and 'food for thought.' Did not mean for it to be thread drift.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 07 Aug 14 - 03:32 PM

Keep posting. Nice to have someone with medical ken rather than journalism in the thread

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Aug 14 - 12:39 PM

Comparisons between bubonic plague, a bacterial disease carried by fleas, and ebola, transmitted by a virus carried in bodily fluids, are tenuous.

Ebola is believed to be reservoired in fruit bats; fluids from the bats on fruit are capable of transmitting the virus; moreover the virus affects many animals, including other primates, antelopes, porcupines, rodents, dogs, pigs and other animals.

Eating "bush meat" can transmit fluids containing the virus. Some cultures eat fruit bats (Guinea has banned consumption).

It is possible that birds harbored the virus in the past, and this may be so today (David Sanders, Purdue University). The virus enters human cells in much the same way that similar viruses enter bird cells.

Thomas Monath, Harvard University School of Public Health, has suggested that the virus may be a mutation from a non-pathogenic one from insects, and that this might be the source of the infection in bats. The disease was first detected in Central Africa in 1976.

There may be other theories.

The potential for the use of the virus in bioterrorism worries defense experts.

"Ebola's deadly Jump from Animal to Animal," Discovery News, Jul. 30, 2014.

With a physician in the family, interested in the outbreak, I try to keep up with reports, accounting for my repeated posts.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Greg F.
Date: 07 Aug 14 - 08:44 AM

What a vile ignorant woman Coulter is.

That's being kind, and there's plenty more TeaPublican slimeballs just as bad or worse where she comes from.


Don't know if the bacterium sickens rats or not or fleas or not

Yup! Kills the rats, too, so the fleas go to humans for a meal. It also eventually kills the fleas.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 07 Aug 14 - 04:36 AM

What a vile ignorant woman Coulter is.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 07 Aug 14 - 12:47 AM

Vaccine testing is at least a year away.

A vaccine that works for Americans and/or Europeans is at least a year away.
The vaccine likely would be useless in Africa because Africans have different antibodies in their systems (Director, Wistar Institute Vaccine Center). Antibodies influence how a body receives the vaccine.

NIAID director Anthony Fauci says there are 3-4 vaccine candidates in preclinical trials. The FDA may approve the first one for testing in September, but is will be the end of 2015 before testing is ended.

The vaccine itself is a virus, engineered to lack the gene necessary for replication. It is equipped with two Ebola genes that, once the vaccine enters the body's cells, will cause the body's immune system to produce antibodies.
The work is being done on non-human primates.

There also is continuing work with a drug treatment, developed by Mapp Biopharmaceutical of San Diego (ZMapp) financed by the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

"Why the Ebola Vaccine Won't Be Administered in Africa," Joe Kloc, Newsweek, 8/6/14

Note- Dr. Kent Brantly, now being treated at Emory Hospitals in Atlanta, not only received the ZMapp serum, but previously received blood from a survivor, according to Samaritan's Purse President Franklin Graham. Samaritan's Purse is working with the Emory unit.
The idea was that the blood contained antibodies that would help the infected person.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 11:27 PM

Ebola is not transmitted through intermediaries, you can't get it from something that bit someone with it. You have to be contacted directly by their fluids, which is why having it turns you into a virus bomb as everything between skin and bone turns into a body fluid whose cells are 99% virus and only 1% whatever the fluid was supposed to be, like organ or muscle or blood or whathaveyou. Unless you can fight it off, which you have a much better chance of being able to do if you are genetically from where the virus comes from. Like smallpox. Only that has a vaccine.

And with it being slightly more likely that you will die instead of survive by fighting off the virus well enough not to liquify too far inside your skin, I think it a great idea to take all extreme precautions against getting in contact with those fluids. There is no treatment nor vaccine. It *should* be feared. It *is* an epidemic and nobody in their right mind should be flying in or out of any of those three countries nor accepting passengers who have been there even though being picked up elsewhere.

The ONLY recourse is isolation, as it was with the plague which is now eminently treatable, plus European ancestry confers immunity anyway since otherwise your grandparents wouldna been here. Because when it broke out people didn't do the right thing so it killed most of them and the few people with natural immunity survived.

I don't want that kind of natural selection happening when we know better now. There would be no excuse.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Janie
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 09:13 PM

May have got that a bit backwards. Not fleas to rats to humans, at least commonly, but from rats to fleas to humans, i.e. fleas bite many more humans and rats than humans and rats bite one another. Don't know if the bacterium sickens rats or not or fleas or not. But definitely sickens and kills humans.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Janie
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 08:56 PM

On the way to work this morning listened to an NPR Morning Addition interview with David Quammen, author of "Spillover", a book that traces the cross over and evolution of diseases such as Ebola and HIV that cross over from animals to humans. As human populations over run the earth and spillover more and more into wild areas, more zoonotic diseases (diseases that cross from one species to another) will occur more frequently in human populations. When asked if Ebola is "the next big one" in terms of danger to human populations, he expressed that no, he doesn't think so, but it is a rehearsal for "the next big one."

The Bubonic plague, transmitted by fleas to rats to humans (actually responsible for 3 human plagues) was transmitted to human populations around the world in the 14th century. Probably first spread along the land route of the Silk Road from central Asia, and a little later by merchant ships. Estimates vary but it seems the plagues, caused by variants of the bacterium yersinia pestis, killed off anywhere from 30 to 60% of the world human population during the 14th century. The historian Barbara Tuchman estimated 1/3 of the population of Europe died from the 'Black Death during that century.

Here is a link to the Quammen interview this morning with a written synopsis.
http://www.npr.org/blogs/goatsandsoda/2014/08/05/338059797/the-ebola-outbreak-a-dress-rehearsal-for-the-next-big-one

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 08:52 PM

"Ebola kills only the body; the virus of spiritual bankruptcy and moral decadence spread by so many Hollywood movies infects the world."

Those are Ann Coulter's words. hahahahhahhahahha

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 08:11 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/ebola-docs-condition-downgraded-idiotic-220113802.html

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 07:37 PM

Reynolds has put millions into their affiliate doing plant molecular biology. Mapp Biopharmaceuticals, LeafBio and Defyrus Inc. are only three concerns investing in research in this field, there are others worldwide.
Government funding is "seed" money to support research and manufacture. (Republicans are limiting this funding, but it is hard for them to attack items in defense budgets.

The U. S. maintains a number of research institutions, some within or borderline with defense and anti-terrorism departments, which is the case here. The possibility of disease use by terrorists/enemies is a continuing concern.

When an effective vaccine is obtained, private concerns will make and market it.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 06:05 PM

That looks like government funding for a potential cure to me. Capitalism? I think not.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 05:17 PM

It seems to me that the media is stepping a fine line between sensationalism and pragmatism

All the media deals with these days IS sensationalism. Pragmatism and real news died with Edward R. Murrow.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 04:02 PM

It has been here for at least ten years, in laboratories where research is being carried out.

I don't see the tabloid press, but factual reports on BBC and Al Jazeera are scary enough.
BBC today- "Ebola: Global Experts begin Emergency Talks at WHO."

There is a possibility that the WHO will declare a global health emergency in two days.

Also, BBC- "Why Ebola Is So Dangerous."

British Airways has suspended flights with Liberia and Sierra Leone.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 01:21 PM

Great idea if cigarrettes can cure ebola!

I am not seeing anything but the tabloid press talking ebola-is-scary. WashPo, Slate, NYT, are not.

Example search for "ebola" on WashPo yeilds these:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/newssearch/search.html?st=ebola&submit=Submit

including an article on how the tabloid press was being irresponsible in trying to foment fear, and how they failed anyway.

Yet I think it was a bad idea to bring it here on purpose. I hope that it turns out I was wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 12:52 PM

The above, and much more, is reported in Forbes, 8/05/2014; David Kroll, "Ebola Secret Serum: Small Biopharma, The Army, and Big Tobacco.
There are more comprehensive articles, but Kroll's column is clearly stated.
Tobacco enters into the story because Nicotiana bethamiana is a common plant molecular biology tool. The antibodies are produced in an Australian strain of the tobacco plant at a facility (Kentucky Bioprocessing) owned by Reynolds America Inc. (parent company of R. J. Reynolds Tobacco).

Funding for the research comes from several sources, including three U. S. government agencies; National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, Department of Defense Advanced Research Projects, and Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

The serum prevented the death of six infected monkeys in research at the Maryland facility of the U. S, Army Medical Research Institute. Research here is led by microbiologist Gene Olinger.

Comprehensive reports have been published in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences and Sciences Translational Medicine.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 12:23 PM

Two American medical workers active in the Ebola region are brought back for treatment at Emory Medical Center.
Reason enough for comprehensive reporting on the so-far incurable disease. We are all hopeful that it will not spread to other areas, and especially not to our countries.

The Zmap serum being administered to the two being treated in Atlanta is the result of cooperation among a number of agencies, private and public. Companies involved are Mapp, Leaf Bio and Toronto-based Defyrus Inc.

The Public Health Agency of Canada is the Defyrus partner in Canada,
The U. S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (located in Maryland) is the driver behind much of the work. Other partners in development of treatment and vaccines are in Asia as well as the U. S. and Canada.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Ebbie
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 11:33 AM

"It's not that they are saying Ebola is here, run for the hills... "

But, Mrzy, I think that is exactly what they are saying. It seems to me that the media is stepping a fine line between sensationalism and pragmatism. Who knows what the next move will be- I think it is quite possible that alarmism will win, at least for the short term.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 10:57 AM

Also, I would like to note that my complaint with the US press is hardly that they are being alarmist, I find them being jingoistic. It's not that they are saying Ebola is here, run for the hills, but that they are saying 2 americans sick with ebola are headline-worthy and hundreds of Guineans, Sierra-Leonians and Liberians dead from it aren't.

I do not see anything in the mainstream press about how we should be scared. That's one of the reasons *I* am scared.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 10:54 AM

Denying Ebola makes as much sense as denying evolution. Americans should be all for it.

I wish I were kidding.

Back to data, from google news' ebola department, headlines only: cases up to 1700 with 932 deaths is a .54 death rate which is great for ebola, you almost have an even chance of surviving this strain. Much better odds than usual.

But there are now 5 people in Lagos with it... but we haven't heard of anybody else from the plane getting sick, all those are health workers with direct contact with the one guy from the plane. And by now if they were going to get it they would have, so that's good.

I still worry most, selfishly, about my own folks in Abidjan, but it seems to not be there yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 10:00 AM

The ebola hysteria in the U.S. media is meant to soften us up for a medical/military dictatorship. Curfews, quarantines, line up and take your shots. Don't fall for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 09:47 AM

There's no such thing as AIDS, either, Donuel. Or global warming.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 09:31 AM

NPR interviewed a woman from Sierra Leone who says said to be of many Ebola deniers who claim big government is lying about Ebola and that there is no such thing, This kind of fear, ignorance and ill reasoned thinking reminds me of our own Bachman, Palin Overdrive of the extreme right wing.

Beyond the virus itself the enemy is also human behavior and customs that include handling the dead, kissing the dead and drinking the blood of the dead having the highest stature. Then there are the people scared of government response to Ebola that they run away if they are suspected of being sick.

Should even one infection unknowingly reaches Cairo, this African disease be responsible for a global pandemic. (insert De Nile comment here)

Experts in the field feel as though the current spread of Ebola is just a dress rehearsal for an eventual global pandemic.

The three synthetic anti viral agents combined into a serum may or may not be effective when scaled up to help millions. To protect billions however could take years.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: bubblyrat
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 09:21 AM

Today I learn that USA and Russia still have stockpiles (if that is the right word ) of SMALLPOX , for Heavens sake !! WHY ??? As for Ebola ; those infected should stay where they are, not be jetted around the world , which is asking for trouble .Why do we never learn ??

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 06:09 AM

Surely it was all the fasting and praying that made them better?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Aug 14 - 05:09 AM

Reports are identifying the sirum results as miraculous.

www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/aug/04/ebola-san-diego-biotech/

(Another example of the resounding success of free enterprise and capitalism)

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Aug 14 - 09:43 PM

It's not a vaccine, but a serum/drug. There's an article on "ZMAb" in Newsweek. The first study, published in 2012, looked very promising.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 05 Aug 14 - 09:23 PM

I think they are giving the repatriated Americans an experimental vaccine?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 05 Aug 14 - 07:42 PM

topsie, the report of natural immunity comes from research by IRD, a French institute specializing in overseas research.
The report is not new (2010). To see a translated summary, Google "337- Possible natural immunity to Ebola?"

It is suspected that they might have come in contact with the virus through saliva of fruit bats on their fruits. Bats are suspected of being the natural reservoir of the virus.
Labs in several countries are working towards a vaccine. How much this will be helped if at all by the high percentage (15%) of Gabonese with immunity, I don't know.

Emory University hospitals (Atlanta) is one research institution leading vaccine study. See http://news.edu/stories/2102/12/ebola_virus_protein_decoy/index.html (or Google "Ebola virus uses protein decoy to subvert the host immune response."

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 05 Aug 14 - 04:30 AM

I heard on the radio recently that a few people have a natural immunity to ebola. I have also heard that a few people have a natural immunity to HIV, and that a few have a genetic resistance to bubonic plague.
The first thought that comes to mind is 'Are the same people/families resistant to all three diseases? The next thought, whether or not that is the case, is 'Could people with a genetic immunity provide the means of making a vaccine?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Aug 14 - 10:48 PM

They said today that Ebola, scary as it is, is far less infectious than MERS and a number of other good stuff like that.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: gnu
Date: 04 Aug 14 - 09:49 PM

Fuck yer full of yourself. Why can't you act like an adult? Tiny and dainty font in an odd colour? I have eyesight issues you twit. Hmmmm.... maybe you actually do make sense once in while but I just can't read it?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 04 Aug 14 - 07:33 PM

Only 10 MERS cases reported...according to news sources in Oman...at the end of Eid.

My call was wrong on this one.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Any reports on what the "anti-capitalists" in China or Russia have contributed to Ebola cures/aid? Pravda reports nothing.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: gnu
Date: 04 Aug 14 - 07:23 PM

What's this I was told was on CNN? A cure?

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 Aug 14 - 05:35 PM

The richest.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 04 Aug 14 - 03:02 PM

Define "first world" pls - do you mean Africa? If not, what makes it first? New term for me...

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Greg F.
Date: 04 Aug 14 - 09:55 AM

those who are certain that 1st world governments are the root of all evil

Hardly all, Janie - but certainly a significant amount.

Subject: RE: BS: Anybody else watching Ebola break out?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 03 Aug 14 - 10:03 PM

Double-checked - the Hot Zone is non, repeat, non-fiction.