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Origins: I Paula Taska Nonsense Song (Roud 12944)
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Subject: RE: Origins: I Paula Taska Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 10 Jan 23 - 09:42 PM One of the earliest recorded versions. Oh! Nick-O-Deemo [Sep 1948] by Red Ingle and the Natural Seven. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLscEqPlxh4 |
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Subject: RE: Origins: I Paula Taska Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: GUEST,Mike Wade Date: 13 Nov 20 - 11:27 AM Interesting! I asked about this song recently in a local history group for Whitby, North Yorkshire. My sister and I both remember this clearly as a clapping song from around 1970, with words very similar to the German and London variants above. Never written down of course so the spelling is anyone's guess: Em pom pea, pommallie, pomma gastie Em pom pea, pommallie. So far me Ekkerdarmie So far me Puff puff |
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Subject: RE: Origins: I Paula Taska Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: GUEST,Sara O'K Date: 13 Sep 18 - 05:04 PM This was a playground clapping song (2 girls standing opposite one another) when I was at Primary school in SW London around 1966. We sang the following words: Em pom pee, paramee, paramascus. Em pom pee, paramee. (repeated) Acamdemie so far-ie, academie, poof, poof. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: I Paula Taska Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: GUEST,Kevin W. Date: 27 Jun 18 - 03:59 AM Oh, small mistake in the first line, "popmie" should read "pompie", of course. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: I Paula Taska Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: GUEST,Kevin W. Date: 27 Jun 18 - 03:56 AM I didn't know that this is also known in English speaking countries. Here's an approximation of how I heard it from my father in southwest Germany: Em popmie, kolonie kolonastri, Em pompie, kolonie, Akademi, safari, Akademi, puff puff, Un de Deckel uwe druff. Sometimes a thread on mudcat brings up strange memories. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: I Paula Taska Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: GUEST Date: 27 Jun 18 - 02:10 AM Another variant of the last, found online : Oh aleele Oh aleele a beredigga Domba a beredigga Domba a mossa mossa mossa a mossa mossa mossa o, alee baloaa baloee o, alee baloaa baloee |
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Subject: RE: Origins: I Paula Taska Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: GUEST Date: 27 Jun 18 - 01:58 AM Quite a different song, I think, but my southern German mother used to sing, in a call and response style: Oh alele Maladiki tumba Mossa mossa mossa Oh ale balua balue Familiar to anyone? |
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Subject: RE: Origins: I Paula Taska Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: GUEST Date: 26 Jun 18 - 07:21 PM Em pom pia, pomolia,pomosaki Em pom pia pomoli Yachi da mus, so famus Yachi da mus puff puff West yorkshire 1960’s- early 70’s |
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Subject: RE: Origins: I Paula Taska Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: GUEST,Francesca Caiazzo Date: 06 Oct 17 - 03:06 PM In Italy in the Seventies we have this hand-clap game: Eppompi poloni polonasti Eppompi poloni Accademi solfare Accademi popoff |
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Subject: Ginggang, ginggang, bumwidiwisti (1894) Roud 12944 From: and e Date: 07 May 15 - 06:46 PM Here is the earliest example of this song. From the 1896 book Alte und neue Anstichlieder on page 25: Ginggang, ginggang, bumwidiwisti, ginggang Katterma, ginggang Katterma. Ginggang, ginggang, bumwidiwisti, ginggang Katterma bau. Bau bau bau bum! bau bau bau bum! Da capo. There is only lyrics no music. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: I Paula Taska Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: Steve Gardham Date: 25 Mar 15 - 05:39 PM An interesting study. Just a few observations as I'm not familiar with the general group of rhymes other than the well known scouting version 'ging gang goolie'. Have you looked at where the earliest extant versions are found and tried to match up the language? The Hottentot connection may be significant. In the early 19th century burlesque songs were common poking fun at native races like the Hottentots and these invariably contained nonsense lines purporting to be the native language, e.g., 'The Queen of Otaheite'. Many of these would be deemed very unPC nowadays. One way of approaching this would be to look at the common factors or those words that appear in most versions such as 'Nicodemo' and then look for possible links and origins. Another possible source is folk songs with long rambling seemingly nonsense choruses such as the 'Kemo kimo' version of 'Froggy went a courting'. If word links can't be found sometimes tunes are related. The kemo kimo chorus can be traced back in some forms to the early 18th century. Another problem with studies like this is red herrings often occur. For example someone hears a nonsense chorus or something with words that don't make sense to them, and they have a compulsion to move them closer to something they are more familiar with. Some of the more hilarious mondegreens result from this. Like me you are stuck when it comes to the tunes. I am very text based in my studies, but midi versions of tunes can be easily set up on certain websites like Concertina.net. I deal mainly with ballad texts so I'm not as hampered as you dealing with seemingly nonsense words. You have my sympathies. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: "Ponié ponié poniássa" (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 25 Mar 15 - 02:58 PM Information from the Swedish twins. The earliest date for the song is 1901. It is found in the German songbook _Anstich-Lieder_ [Drinking Songs] by Julius Meyer where the song is #118 and is titled "Ponié ponié poniássa". 118. Ponié ponié poniássa This matches up with the "I Paula Taska" and the "O Nikodemo". Sorry I am unable to post the music. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: I Paula Taska Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: GUEST,Brommabo Date: 20 Oct 14 - 01:52 PM Dear "and e", Hope this posting will reach you. Good to find another fan of this family of nonsense songs. I suspect you might have North European connections since you obviously have access to song books that are not easy to come by. We, me (Swedish), my twin brother and a Finn (all of us retired), formed a task force the other year to research the origin and the possible meaning of the lyrics&tune of the core of this family of songs, focussing the "Ging Gang Goolie" variant. (We have also contributed under mudcat.org) Please find our discussion on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ging_Gang_Goolie We have also drafted an update of the Ging Gang Goolie wikipedia article, based on our article in a Swedish journal on folklore. I would be very much interested in the purpose with your research, if you have any hypothesis and, if you have reached any conclusions (based on what?). |
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Subject: RE: Mari Main Guli Guli (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 19 Jul 14 - 02:00 PM This is from Malaysia where the song is sometimes titled "Main Guli" [translates as "Marble Game"]. Mari main guli guli guli guli |
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Subject: RE: Origins: I Paula Taska Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 18 Jul 14 - 08:44 PM This is currently being used as a Call-Response song in the Norwegian military. See pgs 63 & 64 of the following PDF: https://www.duo.uio.no/bitstream/handle/10852/34450/Schiro.pdf?sequence=3 The title of the PDF is "Kunsten å stå stille: En kvalitativ studie av Norske Gardeveteraners Drillkontige" by Emma Castillo Schiro. 64 |
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Subject: RE: Hottentotternas morgonbön (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 18 Jul 14 - 11:37 AM In Swedish this song is known under the title "Hottentotternas morgonbön" which translates to "Hottentots Morning Prayer". A "Hottentotternas morgonbön" example from 1958: http://katalog.visarkiv.se/lib/ShowRecord.aspx?id=1027500 Text: King kang kulli kulli kulli vassian king kang kå vassian gå. Another example from 1922: http://katalog.visarkiv.se/lib/ShowRecord.aspx?id=1048005
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Subject: RE: Origins: A Ram Sam Sam (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 16 Jul 14 - 06:53 PM Ok. Here is another songs with a different tune that I believe is related to "Que Quay Quo" / "Gin Gang Goolie"/ "Sarasponda" song group. This song is titled "A Ram Sam Sam". The earliest I can trace this song is to Let's All Sing (1958) published by the American Camping Association. The text below is a representative version from the internet. A RAM SAM SAM http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/270798136 This song is purportedly a Mococcan folksong but I have been unable to verify this. I haven't been able to find much variation to this member of family. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Ging Gang Goolie (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 15 Jul 14 - 07:45 PM Here is a recording which I have titled "Ging Gang Goolie" as sung by a woman who learned it as a child while growing up in Sri Lanka (Ceylon) in the mid-1970s. Recorded July 12th, 2014: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/54546514/2014-07-12_GingGangGoolie__PattyFandRelatives.mp3 Transcription: gang goolie goolie goolie goolie watcha, |
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Subject: RE: Ku Kai Mani Malay Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 15 Jul 14 - 07:20 PM Let's make this a more international affair. Track #19 on the 1993 Goobers: A Collection of Kids Songs CD has the song "Ku Kai Mani" the singer Naofumi Ishimaru says that this song is sung by some Malaysian children. Here is the recording: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/54546514/KuKaiMani%5BTrad.%20In%20Malasia%5D-NaofumiIshimaru.mp3 The words are very similar to the "Qui Quay Quo" as sung by Haruo. |
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Subject: Kinkan Kolli Kolli Koll Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 14 Jul 14 - 08:25 AM The dutch version I mentioned in the first post is actually in Swedish. I believe our song is in the book _Sångbok för Scouter_ [Songbook for Scouts] published in Stockholm in 1937. First line only: Kinkan kinkan kolli kolli vassa kinkan ka Compare that with the Swedish version of the song post by "soderbo" : Kinkan kolli kolli kolli kolli vassian kinkan koh vassian goh "soderbo" traces this song to a 1905 Swedish book and believes that it is German / Latin in origin. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: I Paula Taska Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 13 Jul 14 - 10:32 PM Back to American examples of this song. Page 193 of the _Crossroads of America Counsel Hand Book_ (1990). This has both Ging Gang Goolee and Que Qua Moonie. Music is given and the tune for Que Qua Moonie is the listed as "Ging Gang Goolee". Texts: GING GANG GOOLE Retrieved from here: http://s3.amazonaws.com/pwb-pdf/1990/1990%20-%20Crossroads%20of%20America%20Council%20-%20Unknown.pdf |
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Subject: RE: Origins: I Paula Taska Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 13 Jul 14 - 10:10 PM Another example of a "Qui, Quae, Quod" mnemonic song: Qui, Quae, Quod, Retrieved from here: http://sbeclatin.weebly.com/uploads/1/9/4/3/19430877/relative_pronouns.rtf There are other mnemonic "Qui, Quae, Quod" songs on Youtube. Perhaps this "nonsense" song is nothing but a Latin language teaching song. |
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Subject: RE: Qui, quae, quod Latin Song (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 13 Jul 14 - 09:56 PM I am just throwing this out as remote possibility. Perhaps this is a mnemonic for Latin use of the word "Who" or "Which" "Who" or "which" in Latin has the following grammar: Qui, quae, quod | Qui, quae, quae See here: Qui, quae, quod. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: I Paula Taska Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 13 Jul 14 - 08:39 PM A meddly of songs -- including Nicodemo -- in Portuguese from a Youtube video. Dó, ré, mi, fá, sol, lá, si, dó. The TUNE is the same as Nicodemo / Gin Gang Goolie. Watch the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQUp623LNi8 Do you agree? . |
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Subject: RE: Quim Quim Quero Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 13 Jul 14 - 08:30 PM Here is a Portuguese variant: Quim-quim-quero good-night in quero, quim-quim-quero, quim-quim-quero. (2x) Retrieved from here: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Quim-quim-quero/146669025403474?id=146669025403474&sk=info |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Nicodemo (Nonsense Song) (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 13 Jul 14 - 08:06 PM How about a Wilmette, Illinois, USA newspaper _Wilmette Life_ from the scouting page dated January 3rd, 1930. NICODEMO Download here: http://images.ourontario.ca/Partners/wilmette/WilPL002683121pf_0024.pdf |
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Subject: Origins: OH NICODEMO Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 13 Jul 14 - 05:44 PM From page 5 of this untitled Scouting Songbook which has been scanned as a PDF. I would date the songbook early 1990s and definitely of American in origin. GING GANG GOULEE Another version from the same page of the same songbook: "INDIAN SONG" Retrieved from here: http://elkuta.com/Joomla/images/pdf/resources/scout%20songs%20-%20words%20only.pdf Notice that the "Indian Song" matches the title and the first words from the Swedish songbook. |
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Subject: Origins: O alla tinka (Nonsense Song) (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 13 Jul 14 - 05:24 PM The "O Alla Tinka", p. 428, found in Scotland, 1951 is the first variant I posted: I paula tay, paula taska, I have American versions usually under the title "Sarasponda" and "Ging Gang Goolie". Also remember that Haruo is an American. Two texts from an American scouting photocopied / mimeographed songbook to follow in my next post. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: I Paula Taska Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 13 Jul 14 - 04:57 PM From the Swedish _Teknis Sångbok_ (1949): "Indiansk folklåt". Text as follows: Indiansk folklåt Note: I converted the "qv" in the original to the "qu" of English for clarity. I don't read music. Does the music match the tune Sarasponda or Gin Gan Goolie? |
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Subject: RE: Origins: I Paula Taska Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 13 Jul 14 - 03:58 PM Oops, some duplication. O Alla Tinka, p. 428, found in Scotland, 1951. I won't reproduce the verses because 'and E' may have some system to posts of these clapping rhymes. I haven't found any references to American versions yet. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: I Paula Taska Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 13 Jul 14 - 03:51 PM According to the Opies, (p.464) this gibberish song was sung at Holiday Fellowship Centres before the First World War: Hi polin politaska, polita, polita, Hi polin politaska, polita, polita, O Nicodemus- O Sara mumper, O Nicodemuss, Sara- mumper, umper, umper, umper. In Capri in 1976 one of the favourite clapping rhythms went, to the same tune and horizontal actions as in England: Em pom pi poloni polonaste, Em pom pi, Academi sofare, Academi- pom pol! Iona and Peter Opie, "The Singing Game." |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Hi Politi Politaska (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 13 Jul 14 - 03:38 PM The Opies in _The Singing Game_ (1985) give the following round which they say was sung by members of The Holiday Fellowship before WW1: Hi politi politaska, polita, polito Notice the "Sara numper" = "Sarasponda". A very early link with the "Sarasponda" song. I believe I have found an example in Dutch that antedates the song. . |
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Subject: "Em pom pee para me" Opie Collection (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 13 Jul 14 - 02:09 PM Here are two recordings of "Em Pom Pee Para Me" both from the Opie Collection: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/54546514/EmPomPeeParaMe1-UnknownChildren-OpieCollection.mp3 https://www.dropbox.com/s/k8x9gy009c1j2w6/EmPomPeeParaMe2-UnknownChildren-OpieCollection.mp3 This is a hand clapping song. You can listen to the original Opie field recording online here: http://sounds.bl.uk/Oral-history/Opie-collection-of-children-s-games-and-songs-/021M-C0898X0020XX-0100V0 |
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Subject: Origins: From: and e Date: 13 Jul 14 - 01:56 PM A link to the Ballad Index comments about "Em Pom Pee":
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Subject: RE: Origins: I Paula Taska Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 13 Jul 14 - 01:32 PM Here is the original recording of "I Paula Tee Paula Taska".mp3 as sung by Margaret Hunter (Peggie) MacGillivray on July 12th, 1951. This was issued on Rounder 1743 ('World Library of Folk & Primitive Music: Scotland') and a few other records. It can be found online here: http://research.culturalequity.org/get-audio-detailed-recording.do?recordingId=12124 Note about recording: Children's game songs performed by children at the Norton Park School in Edinburgh, and interviews with Dr. James T. R. Ritchie (teacher and game song expert) and Margaret Hunter "Peggie" MacGillivray, a schoolgirl at Norton Park. Ewan McVicar writes of MacGillivray, now (as of 2005) Margaret Currie: "A wonderful informant and performer, she is melodic and confident in her performance and articulate and clear in her accounts of how the songs were used." Text of song: "I Paula Tee Paula Taska".mp3 . |
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Subject: ORIGIN: Quee Quay Quo/Sarasponda Song (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 13 Jul 14 - 01:04 PM Let's start with a English language variant. This is from Mudcat user Haruo. Text below retrieved from here: http://mudcat.org/detail_pf.cfm?messages__Message_ID=927085 Quee Quay money-money-money-money dusty, Recording of Haruo singing the 1st half of the song here: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/54546514/QueeQuaaQuooAkaSarasponda.mp3 If you will, please listen to or view the recordings. I think that the tune is the same and the words are variants. Thanks! . |
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Subject: RE: Origins: I Paula Taska Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 13 Jul 14 - 12:30 PM Klatschlieder- look up this category, there may be more variants listed. em bambi kolonie kolonastik, em bam bi kolonie, academie, academie, *academie, puff puff. Oh malle, malle, malle, macaroni, roni, roni, futschigei gei gei, papagei, gei, gei. Pfefferminzbonbon im schuhkarton, alle Affen die so gaffen machen. Baaaaaaaah. *weißnichtmehr Know nothing of these, but interesting. www.schnullerfamilie.de |
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Subject: em bom bi coloni colonassi (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 13 Jul 14 - 12:21 PM Here is another German language example: Em Bom Bi Text of the above video: em bom bi coloni colonassi em bom bi coloni safari akademi akademi baff buff. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: I Paula Taska Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 13 Jul 14 - 12:00 PM We'll start with the German examples Hans Thill The above was retrieved from http://www.der-goldene-fisch.de/gf.php/texte/zeit/1/9 on July 13, 2014. Below are five videos of this song from German/Austrian sources on Youtube: 1) Em bam bi The first four are of hand-clap games between two people and the fifth examples the song is used as a counting-out rhyme. Does anyone know this German language version? If so, when did you learn it? |
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Subject: Origins: I Paula Taska Nonsense Song (Roud 12944) From: and e Date: 13 Jul 14 - 11:41 AM I am trying to track the following nonsense song titled "I Paula Taska" or "I paula tee paula taska" or "Em pom pee para me". It is Roud # 12944. If you sing a version of this would you please let me know when you learned it? http://www.vwml.org/roudnumber/12944
I believe that this song is related to the American girl scout songs "Sarasponda" and "Gin Gang Goolie". There are also German examples of this song with two examples title "Em Bam Bi" and "Impompi". I will provide recordings and texts in followup postings. If you sing a version of this would you please let me know when you learned it? |
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