BS: Church joins real world

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Ed T
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 06:40 PM

" how can women be bigoted against women?"

How about this one?

""I think [women] should be armed but should not vote…women have no capacity to understand how money is earned. They have a lot of ideas on how to spend it…it's always more money on education, more money on child care, more money on day care.

It would be a much better country if women did not vote. That is simply a fact. In fact, in every presidential election since 1950 – except Goldwater in '64 – the Republican would have won, if only the men had voted.""Ann Coulter

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 06:13 PM

Who says that the organized church is the 'organism', the Body of Christ, as Jesus was referring to?

Who says our politicians are more concerned with their constituents, than they are to the 'special interest' groups??...and pretending that they're in it for OUR benefit??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Musket
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 06:01 PM

Not too many posts yet, but the opponents of equality appear to be a God botherer and a bigot.

I have just returned from the pub and our local vicar was in good cheer, celebrating in fact. His wife was ordained the same year as him yet his career progression, should he wish for promotion was always better than hers, and that upset them for many years apparently. Good for them. She wasn't with him, (her parish(s) are a few miles away and she was at a meeting) but he said she too was celebrating with members of her church council.

Not being religious, I have nothing personal to celebrate, but every decent person might feel that the world is moving in the right direction now that the most discriminating organised political fronts have a large chapter that realises how irrelevant they appeared to the vast majority of people.

Most people are too sophisticated to blindly accept divisive bigotry as something they wish to tolerate.

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 05:48 PM

" how can women be bigoted against women?"

Ask Phyllis Schlafly

A lot of the answer 'seems' to lie in their indoctrination by men...particularly men in the church. Then, I suppose, we can debate whether it is 'bigoted' or just a difference of opinion... but Phyllis sure polarized the parties!

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Ed T
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 05:40 PM

There seems as much religious politics, as other issues, involved in the issue in the recent past.

background on some of the related issues 

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: akenaton
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 05:22 PM

As pete says, how can women be bigoted against women?

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: selby
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 02:35 PM

I am with Musket with this, it is rather strange that an organization who's boss for 60 years is a woman, has taken so long to let some of the staff be women.
Keith

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Musket
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 02:29 PM

Err.. A bishop is a job, subject to UK employment law. The bigotry clause that religious organisations enjoy in order to discriminate is slowly being demolished.

Churches, like any large multinational companies are large enough to influence normal people and therefore should exhibit high moral standards. We expect it, though not get it, from banks and others, berating tax and living standards of producers of goods, so churches should be scrutinised too.

Quoting the bible is irrelevant from the minute you employ staff.

Are you rejoicing pete? Are you happy that the church has taken a stance to make itself more relevant to people?

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Ed T
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 02:28 PM

Would "mis-understanding of biblical teaching", (convenient, or not so) be a more appropriate term?

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: Bill D
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 02:04 PM

Pete... the problem has been that many church leaders in MANY churches HAVE used a debatable interpretation of numerous translations of assorted scriptures to assert that men should have a special position in theological debates. One reason was to have control over heredity and clan/culture/family situations. Being generally larger, stronger and not burdened by pregnancy, men were ABLE to achieve that dominant position.

It takes a long time for reason to overcome the drive for power & control.

As Musket says.."one stone tablet at a time."

Subject: RE: BS: Church joins real world
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 12:49 PM

there are at least 3 misconceptions [deliberate or otherwise] in your post musket.
1 for most of those opposed to womens ordination/bishops it was not bigotry but an understanding of biblical teaching and church tradition [ I am not giving any personal opinion here].
some of those opposed were women also, and opposed for the same reason.
2 I doubt if bishops see themselves as senior management, but as spiritual overseers......though hopefully not in a "holier than thou" way.
3 Christian teaching is not that women are inferior but that together with men ,are made in the image of God.

genesis 1 v 27
so God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Subject: BS: Church joins real world
From: Musket
Date: 14 Jul 14 - 12:11 PM

The Anglican church has at last ignored bigotry in their ranks and Church of England allows equality for women in senior management roles.

Of course, those who see women as inferior are being accommodated, but nobody expects religious clubs to make sense. One stone tablet at a time though...

Women bishops