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Advice for a sound system newbie

Cool Beans 17 Jul 14 - 10:45 AM
GUEST,# 17 Jul 14 - 12:17 PM
GUEST 17 Jul 14 - 12:38 PM
Richard Bridge 17 Jul 14 - 03:45 PM
GUEST,.gargoyle 17 Jul 14 - 11:00 PM
treewind 18 Jul 14 - 08:34 AM
GUEST 18 Jul 14 - 08:46 AM
Mr Red 18 Jul 14 - 03:31 PM
GUEST,crazy little woman 19 Jul 14 - 09:59 AM
treewind 19 Jul 14 - 12:03 PM
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Subject: Advice for a sound system newbie
From: Cool Beans
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 10:45 AM

I'm playing my first gig soon with my own sound system: a vocal mic, a guitar mic (no pickup), the usual... I've been practicing and I'm comfortable with it. I've noticed that some performers choose to position the guitar mic under the boom rather than above it. And there are different angles at which to aim the boom at the guitar. Are there sound (no pun) reasons for such choices or is it a matter of personal preference?


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Subject: RE: Advice for a sound system newbie
From: GUEST,#
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 12:17 PM

Depends on the mic you use, CB. I try to avoid aiming it directly at the sound hole because it 'mushes up' the guitar sound. You'll have to play around with that. Have a friend with a good ear for sound listen to various positions the mic is in and let you know what sounds best. Then let your friend play and you listen from various places in the room. That should let you know what will work best for you.


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Subject: RE: Advice for a sound system newbie
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 12:38 PM

Starting point ? - try pointing the mike between the soundhole and the 17th fret.


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Subject: RE: Advice for a sound system newbie
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 03:45 PM

I repeat what I always say. Save your lovely acoustic sound for unamplified work. If you are going to amplify, plug in. Takamines make a pleasant sound plugged in. Not like an acoustic guitar, but pleasant.


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Subject: RE: Advice for a sound system newbie
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 17 Jul 14 - 11:00 PM

As always ....what are the make model# of the electronic

What is the size of the room and audience?

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Recently attended a small enclosure farm yard ....all used omni 180 marshal amp. Find someone else with similar needs and mimic their success.


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Subject: RE: Advice for a sound system newbie
From: treewind
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 08:34 AM

The only reason for having the mic under the boom instead of over it is if you're worried the screw thread might come loose - that way up it won't turn because it's already at the lowest point.

Mic should be pointing directly at guitar. Most important is which part of guitar to point at - the sound hole is the wrong place because it will be too boomy unless you pull the mic back some distance from the instrument. 12th fret or where neck joins body is about the right place. Other parts of guitar body may work well too but you must experiment to determine if it's any better.
About a foot away, not too close and not too far away, wherever you point it.

If you haven't decided on a vocal mic yet, consider the Sennheiser e835. A Google search will point to lots of reports about how much better it is than the industry standard Shure SM58 at not significantly higher price. I've just bought two and they give a lovely crisp and clear vocal sound.


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Subject: RE: Advice for a sound system newbie
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 08:46 AM

Is there a Sennheiser equivelent to the SM57, and if so, is it also considered better ?


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Subject: RE: Advice for a sound system newbie
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 Jul 14 - 03:31 PM

remember the whole exercise is for the listener. By and large if you sing, the voice is more important because if you can't hear the lyrics you better be as good as Nic Jones "used to was on" the guitar.

So get the ballance right - from the middle of the room perspective!


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Subject: RE: Advice for a sound system newbie
From: GUEST,crazy little woman
Date: 19 Jul 14 - 09:59 AM

Hi, Cool Beans. You say you're a newbie, so here's a website with some good things to know:

http://www.emusician.com/gear/1332/location-is-everything/39354

Do you have the instructions that came with your equipment? Sometimes they have good tips buried in the back.


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Subject: RE: Advice for a sound system newbie
From: treewind
Date: 19 Jul 14 - 12:03 PM

Is there a Sennheiser equivalent to the SM57, and if so, is it also considered better ?

Not really. First the SM57 is a better mic anyway (same capsule as the 58 but none of that pop-shield foam that cuts the HF, and less of a presence peak), also I've seen the e835 and others in its range suggested for use as an instrument mic.

Sennheiser would like you to use the e614 as an instrument mic, but as it's a condenser you could hardly say it's equivalent to the SM57.


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Subject: RE: Advice for a sound system newbie
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jul 14 - 11:23 AM

Thanks, all. Special thanks, treewind and crazylittlewoman.


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Subject: RE: Advice for a sound system newbie
From: GUEST,Tony Rath aka Tonyteach
Date: 20 Jul 14 - 07:59 PM

Best of luck but I would not use a guitar with a mic - I would have a pickup fitted. Also how big the room - how many people are expected and how much room do you have to setup in and how much time to setup and clear down

Are you the only artist or will there be others performing - makes a difference if you have to lug stuff in set up and get the balance right.

I would go and do a few guest spots somewhere prior to gig to test gear out


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