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Lizzie Cornish 1 27 Jul 14 - 04:22 AM
The Sandman 27 Jul 14 - 06:10 AM
GUEST,Claire M 27 Jul 14 - 10:25 AM
Stilly River Sage 27 Jul 14 - 01:33 PM
GUEST,Claire M 27 Jul 14 - 02:29 PM
GUEST,morris-ey 27 Jul 14 - 03:38 PM
GUEST,big al whittle 27 Jul 14 - 04:02 PM
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Big Al Whittle 28 Jul 14 - 08:36 AM
Nick 28 Jul 14 - 09:17 AM
GUEST,Shimrod 28 Jul 14 - 10:16 AM
Dave Hanson 28 Jul 14 - 10:20 AM
Musket 28 Jul 14 - 10:36 AM
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GUEST,CJ 28 Jul 14 - 01:25 PM
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Subject: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 27 Jul 14 - 04:22 AM

WHERE are you all?

How many of you worked with Rolf at some point?

Do you know they are now even putting pressure on artists such as Kate Bush to remove Rolf from all her musical tracks?   

Here's one of them which you may know...
Kate and Rolf - She Moved Through The Fair

I've never seen such a Witch Hunt in my life before..and yet, STILL there is NO evidence at all, even the police themselves admitting there is nothing, in any way, shape or form, to connect Rolf to his own concert at Leigh Park Community Centre. This was stated by Det. Sgt. Gary Pankhurst to the Defence.

The ONLY person on the planet, it seems, to be able to place Rolf at this concert, inside, on the stage, having just sung to an 'excited' audience, in a tiny hall on a massive council estate, at the height of his fame, is....the very woman who accused him of assaulting her when she was aged 7 years old.

I've now spoken to Det. Sgt. Pankhurst, in a 36 minute phone call earlier this week (he' an Operation Yewtree officer) and STILL he could give me NO evidence to place Rolf at Leigh Park, yet, on THIS story, more than any other, he has been branded a paedophile!!

He also told me that he felt very bad that Rolf has been sent to prison.

Oh, right, Gary, so you ACTUALLY only meant to tear him apart, label him a paedophile, get him hated around the world, and get all his life's work destroyed/removed, whilst ruining him financially and blowing apart his family, yet you never wanted him to go to prison!!!

Right, I get the picture!!!!!!!


We did NOT part as friends, I can tell you..and I pointed out to him that I could make ANY accusation against him, needing NO proof he was even where I said he was...and I would be believed, being a woman, whilst he would not. I also told him to ensure that EVERYTHING he does is above board, now, for in 40 years time, some woman might decide to come knocking on HIS door and do to him what he's helped do to Rolf...

He went a bit quiet at that point....

I've also spoken to 2 members of staff at Leigh Park Community Centre and they said that local people are VERY concerned too, as no-one, but no-one remembers ANY such concert as EVER having taken place...

So, how about those who know Rolf from the folk world standing up beside him?????


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: The Sandman
Date: 27 Jul 14 - 06:10 AM

I never worked with Rolf Harris, I think I am a much better singer than Rolf, so why would i choose to work with him, if i was looking for a harmony singer I would not choose him, I would not need him to play concertina or banjo,if i was looking for a guitarist I would not choose him, i do not like the didgeridoo, so no again. if he had asked me to play concertina i would have probably said yes.


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST,Claire M
Date: 27 Jul 14 - 10:25 AM

Hiya,

Nice song!


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Jul 14 - 01:33 PM

The topic of Rolf Harris has run its course several times. If you want to talk about gigs, fine. But if you're making this "music" thread into another hash of the trial, It Belongs In BS.

Your choice.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST,Claire M
Date: 27 Jul 14 - 02:29 PM

Hiya !! Well, some of his songs are OK. Some of them still make me laugh so much I feel like I'll lay an egg. Never was lucky enough --- / unlucky depending on how you look @ it -- to see him live but say if him & Steeleye were playing on same night I'd take 2nd option.

Didgeridoo good for meditation/relaxation, also as close to Australia as I'll ever get cos flight would probably cause my kidneys to pack up.


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST,morris-ey
Date: 27 Jul 14 - 03:38 PM

Now I am sure I posted something which has now disappeared - or perhaps I didn't?


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST,big al whittle
Date: 27 Jul 14 - 04:02 PM

yes I did too...


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Jul 14 - 04:19 PM

Is this thread about his music, or about his trial? You decide. So far the trial messages have gone away and this has stayed above the line.


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 01:01 AM

I would have given Rolf Harris a floor spot, he is obviously competent and has skill as a presenter of material but in my opinion Roy Harris was a preferable performer, I prefer Roys material and Roys abilty to get audience participation was second to none.


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST,Wing Commander Pillock
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 01:34 AM

Bomber Harris - now he knew how to light up the German Völkisch scene...


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST,Claire M
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 06:39 AM

Hiya! Depends what song it was – if it was the one Lizzie put up, yes. If it was his cover of that Divinyls song, err, no. Cos I'd be laughing too much.


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 08:36 AM

is there any point in writing on this thread, or are all my contributions verboten?

What did I say that upset someone?


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Nick
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 09:17 AM

How about setting up/allowing ONE Rolf Harris thread where Lizzie's view of the injustice of it all (however true or barking it might turn out to be) could be allowed with a warning/some guidelines on what is and isn't allowable.

It would be easier than having them come up and down and people being unsure as to what will stay on and what won't


There is only one Rolf thread. The other currently running is for ROY. That will remain in the music section. --mudelf


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 10:16 AM

What puzzles me, Lizzie is the following:

1. Why should there be a massive conspiracy against a middle-of-the-road TV entertainer who passed the peak of his popularity two or three decades ago?

2. Why would an operation Yewtree officer listen to you - a member of the public with a strong opinion but no connection with the case and no material evidence?

3. By all accounts he could afford a good defence lawyer. Why didn't that lawyer pick up all of the points you are making at the trial?

4. If he is innocent - as you say he is - and you convince us - what do you expect us to do about it - stage a jail break?


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 10:20 AM

Rolf can sleep peacefully in his cell, Lizzie thinks he's innocent.


Dave H


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Musket
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 10:36 AM

Yeah, I met him. I even took him to lunch once.

What has that to do with anything?

I have met a few criminals in my time, not always aware at the time. My evidence has helped put two people in prison when I carried out work for a healthcare regulator, one for sexual abuse. I cannot say for one minute that I knew nor suspected the extent of their crime during my dealings, even when helping investigate concerns, including gathering evidence under PACE.

So how the hell knowing, meeting or seeing Rolf Harris could influence your thoughts on his predatory and abusive actions, well I don't think he'd try it on with a bearded bloke, somehow..


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST,Claire M
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 01:07 PM

Hiya! I'm pretty sure. I've always liked him; always will too. He always gave me a nice feeling…


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST,CJ
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 01:25 PM

I pity the poor man, ending his life in jug. I also suspect if he wasn't a celebrity he wouldn't have been so fresh in the minds of his victims (in that, he was regularly in the news for some shite picture or song) but, I strongly suspect he is guilty as charged and he deserves his punishment.

Lizzie, perhaps you'd better off offering your services to his defence team
?


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 01:33 PM

I just remember seeing him at Sidmouth Festival some years ago when he did a headline concert in the outdoor arena. I nearly didn't go as there was always a bit of a vogue to laugh at his somewhat OTT TV antics and poke fun at him. Whatever has happened since, he just showed what an amazing performer he could be that night. He had just had a knee arthroscopy so was hobbling about the stage a bit, and couldn't therefore manage "Jake the Peg", but did most of his other "hits". He had a native Australian do the didgeridoo part plus a long solo on "Sun Arise" - that was "hairs on the back of the neck" stuff as it echoed around the whole Sid Valley. It is still one of the most memorable concerts I ever went to at many years of Sidmouth festivals.
So, I'll readily defend him as a performer, but not for one minute for the charges on which he has been convicted.


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Greg F.
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 02:02 PM

Why would an operation Yewtree officer listen to you...

For that matter, why would any sentient being?


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 02:12 PM

It's the "What if Hitler had actually been a great painter ? - separating the art from the man" conundrum ???


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Jeri
Date: 28 Jul 14 - 05:49 PM

I might have said this before, but I knew two people who were convicted of child abuse. One of them, a bunch of people, myself included, thought was slimy, but I never thought he was abusing his daughter. The other one was loved and trusted by those who knew him. To this day, I don't think he could have abused the children in his day-care facility. The problems with me being right are:
    I wasn't at the trial

    I didn't hear the evidence

    He was found guilty by people who were, and did, and unless I know everything that was said or presented as evidence, I don't have any business saying the jury was wrong.

LIKING somebody is not proof of their innocence, but proof of innocence is, even in the UK, not needed. It was up to the prosecution to prove his guilt, and apparently, they did just that. I think it's a bit silly to argue about this, especially considering the argument will have absolutely no effect on anything, or anyone, except maybe getting them upset. (Although that mat be one of the primary functions of the Internet: facilitating pointless pissed-off-ness.) Maybe more will be revealed as time goes by, but for now, I believe the gavel has sounded.


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST,Claire M
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 07:13 AM

Hiya !! If we had the 1 topic, we could say if we'd have given him a floor spot/seen him live, songs we liked & disliked , other stuff, as well as whether/not we think he did it. To be honest I think that ship's sailed. I can't see a couple of paragraphs on a screen doing much good. It's probably safer inside. It won't stop me enjoying his work though. I don't see much point in blotting him out. I'll just close me door when I play him.
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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 07:16 AM

Errrmmm......the Judges in the UK don't have a gavel, Jeri so, strictly speaking, it hasn't sounded. :-)


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST,Claire M
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 09:30 AM

It'd have been good to hear RH do some proper blues; p'raps something heavier, like
this
All that funny breathing he did might have suited heavier stuff.

His voice really makes my colour run.


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 09:43 AM

Backwoodsman -- But one of the things that always drive me apeshit is that they always give judges gavels in court scenes on tv. Must mix them up with auctioneers or something. Ignorant sods!

~M~


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 09:51 AM

It'd be interesting to see how different this might all be if the celebrity paedo/rapist/groper scandal hysteria
were happpening in Ameria.

Seems in the USA any famous personality, no matter how heinous their crimes,
can eventually be accepted back with open arms on TV, even given a new reality series;
as long as they publicly show contrition and thank the Lord for being saved ???
The yanks are suckers for a good redemption story.


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 10:00 AM

Funny you should mention that, Michael - The Grauniad's got it's nether-garments bunched over it, too....... UK Judges and inappropriate gavels in TV programmes


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 10:03 AM

And apologies for the inappropriate apostrophe in my post above - f***ing predictive text on my iPad drives me nuts!


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Musket
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 12:30 PM

In my case, me willy drives me nuts.




Ditto iPad issue though. I turned it off. Snag is, that just reveals how my sausage fingers struggle with the keyboard...


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 12:34 PM

Alas, the U.S. specializes in Lowest Common Denominator programming. Hence the rise of so many people who are famous for being famous - and for nothing more. At least someone here in Public Broadcasting has the good sense to import some of the UK television programming.


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 01:05 PM

We've been saying for years over here that US TV programmes are, generally, low-grade shite, but that's the first time I've seen that fact acknowledged by a USA-ian!

There's hope for you yet, SRS! :-)


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 01:50 PM

You haven't been listening then. The complaint has been steady for years - but in a quiet and orderly fashion. :)


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 02:10 PM

Backwoodsman you haven't been watching the right US TV programmes. UK TV gets US TV shite during the afternoon.

The best way to watch great US TV is to nab stuff online. Check out: Breaking Bad, True Detective, Game of Thrones, True Blood, The Shield, The Sopranos, The Wire, The Vikings, Hemlock Grove, House of Cards, Mad Men -- to name a few. Good US TV is great TV. Just ask the Grauniad if you don't believe me.


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST,Claire M
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 02:30 PM

Hiya!! As is most of UK tv --- you've got Game of Thrones. GoT is not shite.

I *love* 'Sun Arise', it just simply cheers me up. Wouldn't
have minded Rolfy (aaahh) doing my portrait either. I was a bit of an odd child. I drew all the time. I used to imagine he would give me advice, in his lovely accent & my pix might start flashing & sparking before coming to life. I wouldn't've been able to cope w/ too much of him…….
I had a teacher who'd say his catchphrase when she drew diagrams. I wanted to adopt every dog/cat I saw on his animal programme. I even wanted a kangaroo as a pet, so I could sit in his pouch. Open mouth, insert foot.


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 02:32 PM

Yay! US TV! Choice weird : Falling Skies, Continuum, Grimm, even Supernatural! Enjoying The 100 too, and loved Fargo.

My favourite ever : Curb Your Enthusiasm.

And Seinfeld's still the best sit-com ever.

UK TV? Not much that's bothering me recently.


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 02:45 PM

.. and "Hell on Wheels" - terrific entertainment; grown up Western series.

.. "The Walking Dead" - consistently fine quality, gripping adult drama of relationships, situations, and moral choices;
way beyond the conventional zombie horror genre confines.


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 02:51 PM

The only TV I watch in the daytime is cricket.
My wife watches Walking Dead, Game of Thrones et al, but they do nowt for me.
I guess I'm just a miserable, boring old fart! :-)


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 03:22 PM

.. and not forgetting the gratuitously brutal and luridly gritty crime drama "Banshee"
- not for over sensitive viewers - but a blast to watch
for any discerning fans of hardcore macho shoot 'em / beat 'em up tripe.


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 03:29 PM

The original (British) House of Cards (Ian Richardson as Urqhart, Susannah Harker as Mattie) was wonderful though!

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 03:49 PM

You have named a few programs, many of them developed by cable networks or movie channel companies. If you look at "prime time" in any given evening most of what is there is awful. I like mysteries, but there are so many look-alike police and coroner procedurals on now you trip over them at every turn.

"Reality" programs, game shows, judge shows, daytime talk shows, most of this is trash.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Jeri
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 05:58 PM

We excel in one thing TV-wise you Brits can't come close to: stupid. I'm not sure we're that far ahead with politics, but we're not far behind, at least. We have some really great TV shows, and a big steaming pile of stupid ones. I think "reality" got big here because of a writers' strike, and un-scripted show mean they don't have to pay writers.

As for forgiving celebrity paedos/rapists/gropers, I can't recall we do that much of it in the US. Those found guilty of drug & alcohol-related crimes are allowed to find redemption, and crimes such as tax evasion have a shorter shelf-life than others and be "forgotten". Sex abuse crimes, as far as I can think of/remember, pretty much mean the person's career is shot. They're supposed to be on a pedestal, and how can you be on one while your public can't see you as even on their level?

Backwoodsman, NO GAVEL!? Your judges still have those powdered wigs, right?
Also, I don't know that, when it comes to the shittiness of US television shows, you haven't been listening. I think it's more likely you haven't been amidst USians discussing the state of TV shows. There's a great deal of ridicule aimed at stupid shows, even amongst fans of those shows.


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: andrew e
Date: 29 Jul 14 - 11:40 PM

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-07-30/wa-council-votes-to-keep-stolen-rolf-harris-plaque/5634478


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 03:04 AM

Yep, they still have the wigs, Jeri. Barristers have them too (dunno what your equivalent is of a Barrister - Attorney?). I guess it's a traditional symbol of authority and impartiality, and you know how we Brits love our traditions!

You're probably right about not being amongst a bunch of USians discussing TV - not many USians here in England, and my last spell in Houston TX was back in 2007 so I tend to only mix with my own kind nowadays!


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Musket
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 03:25 AM

I recently dumped Sky and went for BT. As well as the slightly better fibre broadband deal, it also occurred to me that I only ever watched a handful of channels. In fact, the only things we watch live are football, cricket and GP. Anything else ( sadly including many cookery and property buying programmes, addicted to Grand Designs) would be recorded or as of now, watched on Catch up.

I decided to buy the entertainment channels. Their advertising was 100% American series sit coms and soaps. Presumably they use my purchase as evidence that is what people want but the truth is, I only got it to be able to carry on watching Wheeler Dealers on Discovery. Dave channel is free on either platform...


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 03:59 AM

I note that this thread has now strayed way off topic and there's no sign of Lizzie. Presumably she will start yet another 'Rolf Harris is innocent'thread in the near future (?)


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Musket
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 05:14 AM

Yeah, but at least she left us with a thread where we can debate something or other.

Now that Harris is behind bars with other criminals, not much point in debating him, he's history, and tainted history at that.

Far better to discuss merit of lowest common denominator TV shows. You don't have to feel sad about his victims whilst typing.


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 07:59 AM

well if it is a miscarriage of justice. its a monstrous one. I can understand Lizzie getting steamed up.

I don't know anything about the case. I get the feeling Lizzie has not explained herself very well. so it just sounds like ranting.

but it would be interesting to know the source of her misgivings. a sincere answer - not just a repetition of there's not much evidence...that is impossible for us to assess - not having been in the courtroom.


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Andrez
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 08:06 AM

Hey andrew e, I've got a few mates in Kununurra, I'll check 'em out and see if there's any local goss about the missing plaque.

Cheers,

Andrez


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Subject: RE: Rolf Harris & The English Folk World
From: Greg F.
Date: 30 Jul 14 - 02:06 PM

...but it would be interesting to know the source of her misgivings.

Problem solved. Liz conjured them up in her own head. She rarely if ever lets facts get in the way of her crusades.


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